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Could you please explain how you justify removing other language names from places such as Hydra, but keeping them for Himara? Please be more thorough than "nope". Çerçok (talk) 14:10, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Because Arvanites are completely assimilated nowadays, and Arvanitika is in the process of becoming extinct, if not extinct already. Whereas in the Greek-inhabited towns of Albania, Greek is very much alive, taught in schools, etc...Khirurg (talk) 20:29, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Arvanitka is not extinct. As I suspected this is just a double-standard. Either remove both or keep both. Çerçok (talk) 20:35, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Can you demonstrate that Arvanitika is still widely spoken in Hydra in 2022 (not 1922)? Khirurg (talk) 20:40, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

For Hydra and Spetses (Modern Greece. Elaine Cotsirilos Thomopoulos. Santa Barbara, California. 2022. ISBN 978-1-4408-5492-7). For the name of Hydra (Jochalas, Titos P. (1971): Über die Einwanderung der Albaner in Griechenland: Eine zusammenfassene Betrachtung . München: Trofenik)

Have you tried searching for Πετσα (definite form) in the source? AlexBachmann (talk) 20:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Yup. Nothing . I want the page number where the Arvanitika name is spelled out. Anything less will result in removal. Khirurg (talk) 21:14, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

No, I was talking about Jochalas T. source... The "modern Greece" source testifies about the presence. AlexBachmann (talk) 21:30, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

That part is not viewable online to me. Why is it so hard for you add the page number? The Thomopoulos source is completely unnecessary for the name since it does not mention the name. Khirurg (talk) 22:52, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

You wanted a source that tesifies that Arvanitika is still present. And I did that.

If you have no other way, look up the Albanian article about Spetses (Peca). I know it is not a source, but at least you know that name is not invented. AlexBachmann (talk) 23:28, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

That's not a source. The fact that you are not adding the page number leads me to think that you do not have access to the Jochalas source and just put it in there without knowing whether it contains the name or not. Add the page number or else it will be removed. I have nothing more to say. Khirurg (talk) 01:20, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Xhufi

Good job on that. Actually I can name several other sources with far less bias that have been instantly removed from wikipedia. This appears a piece of cake post. I have found plenty of evidence that will end this one. Can you do me a great favour and allow me to begin with DRN?Alexikoua (talk) 04:56, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Sure, go for it. Khirurg (talk) 14:52, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

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About the Turkish names of cities

It doesn't matter if there is no Turkish population. The important thing is to add value to the article. The name of the place in Ottoman Turkish has encyclopedic value. The fact that Turks do not live in the region is not a sufficient reason. Mustafa MVC 21:48, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes it is a sufficient reason. See WP:NCGN. Misplaced Pages has policies regarding this. You can't just come in and start adding it everywhere just because you feel it "adds value". Khirurg (talk) 21:51, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

"Relevant foreign language names (one used by at least 10% of sources in the English language or that is used by a group of people which used to inhabit this geographical place) are permitted." What should I understand from this sentence? Mustafa MVC 22:04, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Well, that an alternate name may be included in the lede, if it is widely used by English language sources. The 10% is a rule of thumb. Now, I'm pretty sure that English language sources do not widely use the Turkish name of any of the locations you added it to. Khirurg (talk) 22:07, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

In terms of history, the Ottoman Empire has a great place in the aforementioned regions. Naturally, the Turkish name of the region is mentioned in all researches about the Ottoman period. Mustafa MVC 22:10, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

You may be overlooking this. Modern Turkish is actually a version of Ottoman Turkish written in the Latin alphabet. Mustafa MVC 22:11, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Well, let's have a look. Common usage is often established by Google Books searches. For "Kalamata" for example, when I search for the Ottoman Turkish name, I get just one hit, and it's not in English . Khirurg (talk) 22:16, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Well, the city was also called Kalamata in the Ottoman Empire. The pronunciation of the text written in Ottoman Turkish is also in the form of Kalamata. It would be a healthier comparison if you give an example from the Turkish names you took back instead of an ancient language like Ottoman Turkish. Mustafa MVC 22:24, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

It's the same for any of these, e.g. Naxos (just picked it at random. Two English sources that mention "Naksa" and everything else is Turkish sources or false hits . Khirurg (talk) 00:04, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Karamanlides&action=history Historyofarmenia01 (talk) 18:33, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Well what do we have here? An account created today pretending to be Armenian but in fact pushing extreme Turkish-nationalist POV?Khirurg (talk) 18:40, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

That being said, you might want to read this. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:43, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. The fake-Armenian username is a common tactic of these types, I've seen it before. Khirurg (talk) 15:41, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

It is against Misplaced Pages rules to say that. I guess I won't be dealing with you any more because you're rude. Have a nice day. Historyofarmenia01 (talk) 18:43, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

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"Democracy" article: removal of paragraph on Mencius

Hi Khirurg

I noticed that you removed the paragraph that I wrote on the Chinese philosopher Mencius from the "Democracy" article. The reasons you gave were "unsourced and unrelated to democracy".

This is related to democracy.

Mencius said that rulers who were incompetent, cruel or immoral should be deposed. This is clearly relevant to an article about the history of democracy. It's of interest to the reader to see how other cultures developed ideas that were similar, in at least some respects, to the democratic ideas that developed in Europe.

Mencius wasn't a democrat. He didn't envision a system of elected office-holding, even one where only free men or only wealthy men could vote.

He simply thought that a bad ruler should be deposed and replaced by a more virtuous one.

But he was part of the way there, wasn't he?

I did provide a source: Sir Reginald Fleming Johnston's book "Twilight in the Forbidden City". Johnston was a fluent Mandarin speaker and expert on ancient Chinese philosophy. He served as tutor to the last emperor of China, Aisin Gioro Puyi.

The quotation from Mencius I gave is taken directly from Johnson's book.

It's also backed up by a translation of "The Mencius" (the ancient book of Mencius' sayings) by Prof James Legge. Legge was the first Professor of Chinese at Oxford University from 1876 to 1897. This translation is available online. The wording is different, but the meaning is the same.

The relevant passage is chapter 4, paragraph 9. Note that it's the ninth paragraph if you count downwards from the top of the page. It's actually numbered 3, but the numbering restarts multiple times:

https://www.sacred-texts.com/cfu/menc/menc04.htm

Are you happy for me to add the paragraph back in? I think it may need clarification that Mencius didn't develop the idea of electing the ruler, unlike the ancient Athenians and Romans.

Would you be happy to add something, before I add the paragraph back in?

Thanks and kind regards, 2cool4schools (talk) 22:03, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

No, I don't think it should go back in, simply because it has nothing to do with democracy. Khirurg (talk) 23:59, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

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