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I see that the sources used are mainly the writings of Yugoslav communists from half a century ago, which shows a lack of modern reading and is quite one-sided. The opinion of the Macedonian historian Ivan Katardzhiev is that all left-wing Macedonian activists, former members of the IMRO (United) as Rizov, never managed to get rid of their strong Bulgarophile sentiments. He claims all left-wing Macedonian revolutionaries from the period until the early 1930s declared themselves as "Bulgarians" and he asserts that the political separatism of some Macedonian revolutionaties toward official Bulgarian policy was yet only political phenomenon without ethnic character. Katardzhiev claims also all the left-wing veterans remained only at the level of political, not of national separatism. Thus, they practically continued to feel themselves as Bulgarians, i.e. they didn't develop clear national separatist position even in Communist Yugoslavia after WWII. For more: Академик Катарџиев, Иван. Верувам во националниот имунитет на македонецот, интервју за списание "Форум", 22 jули 2000, број 329.Jingiby (talk) 07:25, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

This article needs to be rewritten, it is full of factological and chronological errors, which push the POV to one side obviously. --Протогер (talk) 08:57, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Absolute nonsense: During his time in IMRO he worked at Veles and Kumanovo and helped in organizing and helping wounded soldiers during the llinden-Preobrazhenie Uprising... After the failure of the uprising he fled to Sofia to avoid being drafted by the Serbian authorities,

The Ilinden-Preobrazhenie uprising is from 1903, and Serbian authorities were installed in the city in late 1912. @Gurther:, better work on improving these facts and do not push to POV. --Протогер (talk) 09:01, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for the late response, mobile users cant talk so i had to use third-party ways to be able to communicate

first ill answer @Jingiby

- All of these sources are purposefully from Yugoslavia since back then the Macedonian historians weren't so anti-bulgarian bias, back then the anti-Bulgarian sentiment barely existed so its less bias then modern sources

- One historians interview isnt a great source for deciding an entire persons ethnicity, considering the fact neither he nor the innterviewer cited any sources

- You've taken the text out of context, he didnt say "Bulgarophile Sentiments" he said "they felt like Bulgarians" which is different

- He's the only historian to propose to idea, and only bulgarian historians follow this (with the exception of some bulgaro-americans) while a majority of the world agree that atleast most identified as macedonian

Now ill Answer @Протогер

- If you read earlier on you'll notice how it says "in his youth he noted how Veles wasn't full of pro-bulgarian propaganda but instead with pro-Serbian (Serbophile) organized by the Serbian authority" which suggested that the serbian authority was already somewhat active in the area, and considering the fact that the people they attempted to lie to rebelled, its not much of a shocker

now if you excuse me im reverting it to the correct version Gurther (talk) 09:32, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

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