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New England Conference

Hi - can you please provide a bit more clarity about removing Northeastern from the New England Conference football standings (an edit made in May) for the 1946 season? See Template:1946 New England Conference football standings. I ask because if Northestern wasn't a member of the conference, the given conference records for some of the other schools are now in question. I'm creating a page for the 1946 New Hampshire Wildcats football team, and their conference record of 3–0–1 (per the template) only makes sense if their win over Northeastern was counted as a conference game. Thanks. Dmoore5556 (talk) 01:58, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

@Dmoore5556: Please see Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject College football/Archive 22#Northeastern University - were they an Independent, or in the New England Conference?. —SportsGuy789 (talk) 02:14, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, that's certainly helpful. I do see that the discussion mentions updating the conference standings; is that something you may still plan to do at some point? I ask because simply removing Northeastern from the above noted 1946 template has left the conference records of some of the other schools inconsistent/inaccurate (certainly New Hampshire, and likely Maine as well). Not urgent, just checking. Thanks. Dmoore5556 (talk) 02:23, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

When I mentioned that I was going to update the conference standings, I meant that I was going to remove Northeastern from the templates in which they're erroneously listed as a member. I did not plan to update records for the remaining teams, as I don't know who played Northeastern or not and whether it may or may not have been counted as a conference game. SportsGuy789 (talk) 04:45, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

College Football Data Warehouse has the necessary info. I just updated the 1946 conference standings for UNH and Maine, which corrects the inconsistency for that season. 1944 and 1945 look OK. Thanks. Dmoore5556 (talk) 23:43, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Nathan Knight

Not sure if you are still in the article creation game, but this guy has a chance to go 2000/1000 for Williams and Mary and is a front runner for CAA Player of the Year Rikster2 (talk) 00:23, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

NCAA Women's Basketball All-Americans

Do they actually name consensus teams, as stated in the article? I’m pretty sure they don’t. Rikster2 (talk) 01:02, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Do they not? I could be mistaken. The way the NCAA lists them made it seem like they were consensus to me, but that's just the way I interpreted it. I would have thought that the women's AAs mirrored the way that the men are picked. Question – how are women's AAs determined then and how would they be represented in a navbox? Is any player named to a first or second AA team by any of the media outlets now considered an All-American for that season? SportsGuy789 (talk) 15:55, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

I believe (and I am by no means an expert) that individual teams (AP, WBCA, etc.) are named but the NCAA doesn’t take the step to use a point system to determine consensus first- and second- teams. If you look at the record book, they just list teams but don’t ever mention consensus teams. In an infobox I would think they’d look the same as for men who aren’t consensus picks (e.g. - “First-team All-American – AP, WBCA”). But if one were creating navboxes for each year as the men have then you’d have to just take them all I suppose. Maybe just list first-team AAs to keep it manageable. Rikster2 (talk) 19:00, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. I guess I blindly assumed the NCAA would be consistent with their treatment of men's and women's AA teams (lol how ignorant of me). I feel like you've been editing college basketball topics for a long time, do you happen to know if any consensus-building discussions have occurred about the women's AAs? Like, what criteria could/should be used if we were to create the season AA navboxes? SportsGuy789 (talk) 17:07, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I am not aware of any such discussions, but they’d be a good idea. Yeah, I guess it does “seem like” I’ve been editing college basketball topics for a while ;-) Rikster2 (talk) 17:20, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I have no idea what you mean... ;-) SportsGuy789 (talk) 20:27, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Birth/death dates

I usually ask on User:CanadianPaul's Talk page. He has access and he has a few talk page lurkers who also do. Hey, if you are asking would you mind checking on Frank Ehmann and Joe Capua (HS in Gary, Indiana) as well? I can't find birthdates for either of them. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 13:40, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I've reached out to him! SportsGuy789 (talk) 15:40, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Roosevelt Chapman

He was never an all-conference player because Dayton was an Independent his whole career. Rikster2 (talk) 02:22, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Ah, well that certainly makes sense. SportsGuy789 (talk) 04:16, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Basketball/Military articles?

Have you ever worked with anyone from the Military WikiProject to create an article? If so, any specific user? Looking at Kenneth Shugart, All-American from Navy Who would finish the 1947 All-American article. I am not sure if he’s notable from a military standpoint but would like to find someone who could fill in that part of his life. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 12:10, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Unfortunately I do not have a military editor in my referral network (lol). SportsGuy789 (talk) 15:40, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Carroll Broussard

You said in an edit summary that Broussard played varsity as a freshman at Texas A&M but the linked media guide (page 108 here) doesn't support that - it shows 3 seasons. He also played outside the eras where freshmen played during war efforts (WW2 and Korea). But did he play a handful of games or something like that? Maybe I am missing something. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 21:02, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Hmm... I remember making that edit but for the life of me I can't remember what source I had found that indicated he was a four-year player. I'm fine with adjusting it back to three years. Think I should? SportsGuy789 (talk) 15:39, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

College basketball articles / navboxes for Division II and lower

I didn't know that DII season articles aren't supposed to be made, I thought that since it is college basketball and there isn't a big skill difference, it is not allowed for them. Could I ask why? I'm actually confused about this. (SS2027 (talk) 07:08, 11 January 2021 (UTC))

I’m not who you asked, but I can answer. College programs at the Division I level are presumed notable due to the amount of national coverage they receive. Below division I, the level of coverage (which is what drives notability per Misplaced Pages’s WP:GNG) does not generally substantiate this. There may be exceptional seasons or programs, but this would not be the norm. Rikster2 (talk) 14:05, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Midland High School (Midland, Michigan)

Thank you for adding two categories to Midland High School (Midland, Michigan). Would you have a moment to add some text to the article, per WP:CATV, explaining why the article is in these categories? Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 11:32, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@Magnolia677: Sure, I will add a brief section to the article later today. That high school was used as an official venue for the Flint Dow A.C.'s professional basketball team, who competed in the National Basketball League. The NBL was the premier pro league in the United States at the time, but it was early in the development of professional basketball overall and so sometimes high school gymnasiums were teams' home courts. SportsGuy789 (talk) 16:54, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Jacob Gilyard

Not sure why you're so insistent that Jacob Gilyard and Richmond's season is over. With a NET of 69, they are very much considered an NIT bubble team and are still practicing in hopes of receiving a bid. Never mind that an additional 12 teams will head to the CBI, and with teams like Duke and potentially Virginia now having COVID issues, who knows what's going to happen with the brackets. Misplaced Pages is not a crystal ball, so just wait until the season is actually over and we know for sure. What's the rush? WildCowboy (talk) 16:33, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Let's try this again with math. Gilyard and Alvarado both have 74 steals, Gilyard in 21 games and Alvarado in 25 games. For the sake of argument, say Richmond makes a run to the NIT finals, but Gilyard doesn't get any steals in those four games...he'd end up with 74 steals in 25 games, the exact same 2.96 average Alvarado is at right now. So all Alvarado would have to do is exceed his current average in his remaining games, and he'd take the crown. Is it likely Gilyard would have zero steals in four games? No, but it's possible. There are of course other combinations that could make it happen where Gilyard's average drops enough while Alvarado's rises. You're also adding comments like Gilyard has the lowest total steals of any champion and giving a specific number when there are still games to be played and we don't know what his final total will be. Again, Misplaced Pages is not a crystal ball, and I have no idea why you're so insistent on making these additions before the season is over. WildCowboy (talk) 02:51, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

2023 NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament

Why Did You REDIRECT the page Listen the 2020-21 season is over and now it's time to move on to 2021-22 STOP LOOK And Listen 70.179.216.206 (talk) 14:40, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Randy Bolden

Think he’s one of yours. He was just named head coach at Mississippi College (source), which has a coach navbox. I don’t have time to update the article but the hiring announcement has a lot of post-playing details. Rikster2 (talk) 16:38, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I'll dig into it. SportsGuy789 (talk) 16:46, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Drapeau

I found him in box scores for UMass and SNH on newspapers.com. Pretty sure he actually played for that JC too but couldn't find firm conformation on that one in the time I had. Rikster2 (talk) 14:40, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. He had a pretty unique college career apparently! SportsGuy789 (talk) 14:43, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

COVID bonus year and all-time leader lists

The extra year granted players due to COVID is likely to wreak havoc on the all-time leader lists this year. Case in point, Jacob Gilyard is certain to become the NCAA all-time leader in steals. To be fair he probably missed enough games over two shortened seasons that he would have gotten there anyway, but now he is going to crush the record. Biggest change will likely be to List of NCAA Division I men's basketball career games played leaders though. I could see a scenario where the entire list turns over this season. We will also need to watch how the NCAA handles it - like if they use an asterisk for those who play a full 5 years. Rikster2 (talk) 13:20, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Definitely Gilyard. What are the other all-time lists records (besides games played) that look like they might get broken due to the extra year of eligibility? I was thinking along the same lines, about waiting to see how the NCAA handles it. IMO, since they're already giving the extra year, I doubt they'll have asterisks... but it's the NCAA, so who knows. SportsGuy789 (talk) 04:16, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@Rikster2: Besides Gilyard are there any other statistical leaders who are on your radar as far as climbing the top 25 ranks who we should keep an eye on? SportsGuy789 (talk) 16:51, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Besides games (which I think will start to come into shape the second half of the season) there are some guys who can move into the top 25 this year. Hayden Koval in blocks, Kameron Langley in assists, Jordan Bohannon in 3FG and games, etc. You can take a look at the tracker in sports-reference.com. Rikster2 (talk) 18:51, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Okay good to know. Useful tracker link, also. SportsGuy789 (talk) 20:18, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Edit: the sports-reference tracker link doesn't work. What is the correct URL? SportsGuy789 (talk) 20:19, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/friv/player_milestones.cgi Rikster2 (talk) 23:20, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Grant Golden might hit 2000/1000. SportsGuy789 (talk) 05:14, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Gulf Star Conference

Where is your info coming from that it was D2? The NCAA record book says it was D1 for its existence and their standings were listed in all of the Street and Smith yearbooks of the era along with other D1 conferences. Rikster2 (talk) 23:02, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

I'll have to email the NCAA then. They're wrong. They've been known to be wrong, and I've gotten good responses out of them before, so I'm thinking they'll be open to removing the Gulf Star Conference from their record books pertaining to Division I records.

I have a number of newspapers.com sources all referencing the Gulf Star being D2 while I've been researching Lorenzo Duncan. One of them is the March 1986 article "Former Cairo star in national spotlight" (His cat-like quickness, astounding jumping ability, long arms and super peripheral vision help make him one of the best defensive players in the Division II ranks heading into this season. That wasn't enough for Duncan.) Plus Sam Houston State, for example, appeared in the 1986 NCAA Division II Tournament, who Duncan played for from 1984–1986. SportsGuy789 (talk) 23:11, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

OK, I reverted my revert because I figured you had some solid info. Search Gulf Star Conference on newspapers.com for 1983 (September - October timeframe) and it says the conference was formed as D1 (with I-AA for football). It is possible that the programs were in the transition process for the life of the conference, though. Rikster2 (talk) 23:17, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm thinking that since the conference was formed as D1, but it only lasted three years due to insufficient number of participating schools, the required (?) transition period for the conference to be full-blown D1 never got past the D2 phase. That's all conjecture, but the confusion caused by the short duration of the Gulf Star might be to blame for it never seeing actual D1 status. I don't know how the NCAA governing body treats cases like that, but all newspaper articles during the 1984–1987 period refer to it as D2. SportsGuy789 (talk) 23:21, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Stephen F. Austin played in the 1987 National Invitation Tournament so maybe 1986-87 was the first/only D1 year? Rikster2 (talk) 23:22, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Oof, the thick gets thicker. Unless we find a smoking gun that clearly spells out what happened I'm not sure we'll ever know. SportsGuy789 (talk) 23:23, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

2022-23 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball season article

Why did you delete the coaching changes for the season ends on Sunday. 98.186.54.177 (talk) 14:12, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Why Didn't You Answer Me For. 98.186.54.177 (talk) 18:28, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Calm down, child. Some of us have jobs and don't live on Misplaced Pages. You were wrong by adding those coaches in the 2022–23 season article, as those affect (and are applicable to) the current 2021–22 season. It's the consensus that WP:CBBALL put together long ago. Any coaching coaching changes that happen during or after a season are put in that season's article, not the upcoming one. SportsGuy789 (talk) 20:51, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Sorry i Jumped the gun By Either Next week that's when most conference tournaments begin or the following week we know that march madness begins. I know there should be some coaches fired by then. but we will know and find out by then. 98.186.54.177 (talk) 21:09, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

No, you're missing the point entirely. This has nothing to do with the upcoming 2022 conference tournaments. It has to do with the fact that the 2022–23 season article does not include the previous year's coaching changes. Unless you are able to comprehend what I just wrote, I think you are too incompetent to edit Misplaced Pages. SportsGuy789 (talk) 01:17, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Do you think it's WP:TOOSOON for an article, or is it ok? ~EDDY ~ 21:54, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

I personally think it's too soon, yes. If you look at the IP's history, there are about 20+ other accounts/IP addresses that all edit in the same pattern. Meaning, they're obsessed with violating TOOSOON. This person (referring to all those IPs as one person) focuses on 1-, 2- and 3-year away sporting events. SportsGuy789 (talk) 01:17, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

College Basketball Regular season end Sunday

I am sad to see that college basketball Regular season is ending on Sunday I miss the NFL And I Am sad to see the olympics go. That makes me sad. 98.186.54.177 (talk) 17:31, 4 March 2022 (UTC) Why Didn't You Answer Me. 98.186.54.177 (talk) 01:06, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Conference players of the year

Hey there's only a few 2022 Conference Players of the Year that need articles, some of whom are at draft. I haven't been as active as usual, so let me know if you want to work together on some. Perhaps I could create a stub version and you could expand. 01:49, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Hola. I am slammed in personal/professional life these days and the ability to create new articles has been greatly hindered, hence my drive-by editing as of late. I prefer to concentrate on historical CPOYs because nobody out there touches those, and it's a little corner of Misplaced Pages I know I don't have competition in (my goal is to knock out the ECC POYs next). Another reason I am not typically inclined to new CPOYs is because they're going to be created much sooner than later regardless, due to their present day popularity. Those are articles where someone will come along soon to make and expand upon. I don't feel like my efforts are as efficient when I focus on players who will be created soon, versus attacking those 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s players. I hope that makes sense. SportsGuy789 (talk) 15:16, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

About the Southern States Conference

Greetings. About the Southern States Conference (formerly the Alabama Collegiate Conference), how did you manage to find out about each member school that existed during its tenure? Please lemme know when you can. Thanks. jlog3000 (talk) 22:40, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

@Johnluisocasio: I spent quite a lot of time on newspapers.com scouring membership timelines through endless keyword searches. I must've read hundreds of articles piecing all of them together. SportsGuy789 (talk) 01:06, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

I see. Regardless, I thank and appreciate your efforts on almost completing the entire membership list of schools of that conference. jlog3000 (talk) 01:38, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. If you don't have a newspapers.com account, go to Misplaced Pages:Newspapers.com and apply for one. Editors are given free accounts to help us cite sources for articles. SportsGuy789 (talk) 01:44, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Understood. Will keep that in mind. Thanks for the advice. Hence I'm trying my best to sort of edit or modify some active and defunct athletic conferences' (regardless of college sports level). jlog3000 (talk) 01:48, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year, SportsGuy789!

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High school years

What is the logic of not clarifying which years a person attended a high school if we have the info? Was this decided at WP:BBALL, WP:CBBALL or WP:NBA?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:41, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

It's been a consensus among all the projects. It literally adds no value. It's much harder to trace than a college career, since those playing years are available on sports-reference + college programs' media guides. Plus, there are plenty of high school players who hopped around 2, 3, 4, even 5 high schools in their career, and didn't play at every one of them. You're trying to open a can of worms that doesn't need to be opened. Tony, I've seen your editing for well over a decade. While you're extremely thorough and provide a level of detail that a lot of editors don't, you also have a history of trying to add completely unnecessary and crufty info, too. There are hundreds of thousands of basketball player articles, zero of which list high school years for the reasons I've mentioned. Do not die on this hill. SportsGuy789 (talk) 15:34, 17 February 2023 (UTC

I just viewed high school years as information available. I thought that in cases where the reader may have questions and we have the information, it would be helpful to include the information. I am not trying to die on a hill, just understand why it is viewed as wrong to include.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:52, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

it is too clunky to have school name, years and city, state. Discuss the years in the prose. Besides, with Jett Howard, the formatting of the years went against MOS by using a 6-digit format instead of the eight-digit which represents a range. No one is saying years attended isn’t useful info, it is just out of place in the infobox especially given that a number of players go to multiple schools. Rikster2 (talk) 00:46, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

User:Rikster2 actually the discussion had arisen out of an edit at Taylor Hendricks (a former teammate of Howards), but I have a better understanding based on further discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_Basketball#High_School_Years.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:06, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

2000/1000

KJ Williams of LSU has also hit it. Rikster2 (talk) 22:43, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Added. Thanks! SportsGuy789 (talk) 15:41, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Also Kevin Obanor Rikster2 (talk) 15:10, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Done. SportsGuy789 (talk) 15:56, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

The 2022-23 season isn't over

Until the last game of the NCAA tournament, the season isn't over and the statistical leaders are not official until then. Adding players who currently lead a statistical category is premature. Best, GPL93 (talk) 15:03, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Riddle me this - tell me how anyone can catch Antoine Davis. No really, give me a breakdown. I'd love to see your math. SportsGuy789 (talk) 18:48, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Or Jamarion Sharp. SportsGuy789 (talk) 18:49, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if someone cannot catch them, it still falls under WP:CRYSTAL. These are not official yet and will not be until the season actually ends and the leaders are verified by the NCAA. If you'd like to list unofficial statistical leaders before the season ends, you'd have to at least establish a consensus at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject College Basketball although you'd likely have to challenge the consensus at Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not#Misplaced Pages is not a crystal ball. Best, GPL93 (talk) 18:59, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm not going to get into an edit war over this. You're a pedantic goober and I won't continue to engage in it. SportsGuy789 (talk) 20:21, 3 March 2023 (UTC)