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:*], it's unfortunately that you appear to ignore the ArbCom decision on the other editors involved, and won't consider my '''evidence'''. This is the whole point of this case (which is different from the early ArbCom). I respectfully ask you to reconsider. --] 10:55, 11 March 2007 (UTC) :*], it's unfortunately that you appear to ignore the ArbCom decision on the other editors involved, and won't consider my '''evidence'''. This is the whole point of this case (which is different from the early ArbCom). I respectfully ask you to reconsider. --] 10:55, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
:*], I made no request to make any changes to the prior case. I provided '''evidence''' of other issues, the ignoring of which is the very point of this Arbcom. I respectfully ask you to reconsider.--] 13:26, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


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Iantresman

Involved parties

(Messages left on all parties' talk pages) --Iantresman 23:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

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Summary

I believe that some administrators are making some bad administrative decisions that appear biased against me, partly following-on from my recent ArbCom case (listed above), and partly due to my editing of articles I would call minority scientific views (and others might called fringe or pseudoscience).

Statement by iantresman

  • I'd like to question the actions of some Administrators who I believe are making some unfair decisions against me by:
  1. inappropriately investigating policy violations
  2. providing insufficient evidence to support their decisions/actions.
  • Since my my Arbitration case against another editor, I have felt that the same editor has continued to violate policy, at the very least in spirit, in some cases utterly. Having reported these cases, I feel that some Administrators are deliberately ignoring my requestes to either investigate, acknowledge the violations, or taking some form of action. Since policy fascilitates amicable editing, it seems reasonble that continualled violations are acted upon.
  • I intend to provide evidence that some administrators
  1. Ignored reports of policy violation (or inappropriately applied policy). For example (there is more), my recent AFD report of an "Abuse of deletion process", in which Admininstrators appeared to ignore the policy violations because the consenus was clearcut, and suggest that I was just being disruptive.
  2. Were unwilling to provide evidence to support decisions, for example (there is more), banning me for three weeks from editing three aricles,, for reasons that did not hold up.
  • In the outcome, I am also looking for comformation that
  1. It is the duty of administrators to investigate alledged policy violations, and take some form of action against those who do
  2. Evidence is provided to support decisions.

Comments

  • I believe that Raul654 should recuse due to a conflict of interest. I named him as a party, not because I disliked a statement, but because the statement appeared to condoned another editors repeated ad hominem attacks against me. I feel this is (a) a violation of a policy which has no defense (b) he provided no evidence on request,. This does not appear to be transparent accountability, and typical of the issue which I hope to highlight. --Iantresman 01:10, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
  • I included trialsanderrors because of his involvement in commenting on the recent AfD case. While it is a one-off, it is included as an example, and consequently I added trialsanderrors as a courtesy. --Iantresman 01:21, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I haven't accused any Admins of abuse. --Iantresman 12:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Matthew Brown (Morven), it's unfortunately that you appear to ignore the ArbCom decision on the other editors involved, and won't consider my evidence. This is the whole point of this case (which is different from the early ArbCom). I respectfully ask you to reconsider. --Iantresman 10:55, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
  • FloNight, I made no request to make any changes to the prior case. I provided evidence of other issues, the ignoring of which is the very point of this Arbcom. I respectfully ask you to reconsider.--Iantresman 13:26, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Statement by Guy

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Pseudoscience is clearly relevant here, fundamentally Ian refuses to accept that there is any problem with his behaviour, and the number of other parties involved is testament to the fact that plenty of others of us think that there is a problem. For example, see Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2007 March 6; per , yet another Wikipedian agrees that the problem is Ian. I tried really hard to get Ian to propose a compromise at Talk:Wolf effect, and I can only describe his behaviour as obdurate. Quite why he would want to draw attention to his aggressive behaviour in this way is beyond me. Guy (Help!) 23:12, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Statement by William M. Connolley

My involvement seems to consist of implementing a 3RR block: . I don't think that merits me being involved (especially since I wrote at the time Note: this does not constitute an opinion on the dispute... if I were interested, I would incline to your side, but on AGF rather than BLP grounds.) and beg to be struck from the parties list William M. Connolley 23:16, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Statement by trialsanderrors

I am not aware of an administrative action I have undertaken that involved User:Iantresman, and certainly the user never approached me with a request to explain or reconsider. Therefore I ask to be stricken from the list of participants. I certainly have no intention to participate in this. ~ trialsanderrors 00:24, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (0/3/0/0)

  • I am inappropriately listed as a party to this dispute on the basis of the fact that Ian didn't like a comment I made during the last arbitration case he was involved in . Being an arbitrator on a case does not make one a party to the dispute. As such, I will not be recusing myself, and I reject this request. Raul654 23:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Reject. I see no reason to revisit our previous decisions regarding User:Iantresman and feel that the administrators concerned are acting as intended by that arbitration decision. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 07:26, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Reject. No reason to make any changes to prior case. No indication of other issues needing review by ArbCom. FloNight 12:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Arthur Ellis

Initiated by 70.51.242.217 at 18:46, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Involved parties

Statement by User:70.51.242.217

Does this constitute a "community consensus" for a permanent ban when the group is so small and includes two admins, Bucketsofg and Bearcat that were on the losing end of Ellis' arbcom case regarding Rachel Marsden and probably should have stayed out of a community ban discussion? Yes, the sockpuppetry is out of line, but it appears much of the sockpuppetry is an attempt to quietly and anonymously edit wikipedia. He also appears to be hunted and goaded by Bucketsofg. Perhaps a probation or mentoring would make this person, who has a PhD in history and is author of eight or nine books, a useful contributor.

User CJCurrie was also part of both the Kinsella and Marsden arbcoms and has been an edit warrior on both pages. My interpretation is that Ellis was tag-teamed by more skilled and experienced leftist Canadian Misplaced Pages editors and admins, edpecially User:Homeontherange and Bucketsofg from his first moments on Wikpedia. I believe Misplaced Pages should at least have engaged him in some sort of discussion, rather than banning him, and that he has made many skilled contributions to the many non-Canadian politics pages he has edited ast User:Stompin Tom and User:Alaric the Goth. His dealings as Stompin Tom on the James Bacque entry and Alaric on the Gerald Hannon page were particularly skilled and ended the controversies on those pages. This occured despite the fact Bearcat is either (and most likely) Hannon himself or a close associate, as an examination of the pre-Alaric edits leads me to believe (note the heavy reliance on italics in the Bearcat version of the entry and in Hannon's linked article "Men Loving Boys Loving Men". The style of writing is very similar. As the Essjay case shows, Misplaced Pages really should know who its admis are and what their conflicts of interest might be.) It is also rather unfair that a community ban by admins and invited editors like Clyoquot, who also alse edit warred with Ellis and Slime Virgin on pages like Rachel Marsden, unlike an Arbcom process, allows permanent banning without anything resembling due process and without even informing the ban target that a ban is being considered or asking for his take on things or the reason why he feels wronged enough to act out in ways that are seen as vandalism. 70.51.242.217 00:26, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


Morven, only in a fascist state, and in your mind, is lack of notice, fairness, due process, and the chance to offer some kind of defence "technicality". 206.191.39.87 13:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Statement by Guy

Community ban discussion was started by user:CJCurrie, User:Bearcat only commented after it had been running a few days and was, I think, the last to chip in, User:Bucketsofg supported but did not argue for the ban. There were numerous thoughtful contributions to the debate from editors and admins with no evident involvement in Ellis' prior cases. I'd say that while it might have been better for Bucketsofg and Bearcat to stay out of it, there was no impropriety and the support was far wider than suggested. Assuming the anon is Arthur Ellis, I would suggest he be allowed to appeal the community ban, should he choose and should ArbCom choose to accept the appeal given the evident exhaustion of community patience by Arthur Ellis, using his own account, but that the ban itself is procedurally sound. Guy (Help!) 21:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

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Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (0/2/0/0)

  • Reject. Community ban appeared to have no significant objection and included many more editors opining in favor with little or no previous history with this user. This does not appear to be an appeal of this community ban based on merit but based on technicality; Arthur Ellis may appeal the ban itself to arbcom if he wishes, but I see nothing wrong in the technicalities of the decision. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 07:29, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Reject as the community ban seems like a sound decision. FloNight 12:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

John Bambenek

Initiated by Echo16 at 03:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Involved parties

JzG (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) - Forging an accusation against complaintant to manufacture a reason to ban. (Restored a page with sysop powers, then accused User:Echo16 of blanking, and then banning). Capricious bans of anyone who disagrees with him on this issue, and removing content from the ArbCom request because he doesn't like it. Seriously, WTF is a sysop doing blanking content in an arbcom request.

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

Statement by Echo16

The article John Bambenek has been the subject of several AfD's and DRV's. It's the belief that this article was deleted based on a political grudge, not because of any sincere effort to determine notability. Now, any mention of John Bambenek will be removed from Misplaced Pages and the poster will be banned. This INCLUDES attempts to review if the article should be recreated. It is the belief of this poster that the article is being censored because of his negative writing on Misplaced Pages (see Press Coverage for Jan.). Other avenues to address this have failed because accounts are immediately deleted and all attempts to deal with this are deleted. See Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/John Bambenek also.

Statement by JzG

You certainly can't say we have failed to debate this one:

Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Jbamb shows that Bambenek sockpuppeted in favour of his article, so the single purpose account Echo16 (talk · contribs) who raised this request may well be Bambenek. Numerous similar accounts have popped up along the way: Category:Misplaced Pages sockpuppets of JohnBambenek. This and blanking and restarting Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/John Bambenek (which I have now restored to its May 2006 status and marked as inactive) appear to be his sole edits. In any case, there is no issue of user conduct to arbitrate, unless ArbCom wants to formally endorse an indefinite ban of Bambenek and his sockpuppets due to chronic disruption. Guy (Help!) 10:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Minor mistake: it was kept by MfD but later deleted (properly) as an uncertified RfC, I saw the "keep" comment in the logs so BambenekEcho16 didn't balnk it, only restarted it. Makes no odds, the facts are the same: deleted, reviewed, reviewed again, deleted some more, reviewed again, disruptive sockpuppetry and malicious impersonation by Bambenek. Oh, Jeffrey O Gustaffson blocked DailyIllini (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) as yet another blatant sockpuppet. Bambenek, you are paranoid. What agenda am I supposed to have, other than not liking impersonation, sockpuppetry and gaming the system? I never even heard of you before March 4, to the best of my knowledge. I would not know you from Adam and I neither know nor care what your dispute is with Chris Perardi or anyone else.

Statement by DailyIllini

And once again we can see why those AfD's succeed, because anyone who supports the article is immediately indefinitely blocked by POV pushing and abusive admins as a purported sockpuppet of John Bambenek based on not evidence at all other than their support of the article. I took a look at that checkuser, the connection was tenuous at best. Two people interested in the same article at a University of 50,000 some odd students and 15,000 staff? That 2nd AfD never should have been considered as it wasn't started properly and was less than a month after the first. If ArbCom wishes to consider a permanent policy to censor any mention of John Bambenek from Misplaced Pages, I suppose that's their perogative, but it looks awfully spiteful considering his negative article on Misplaced Pages that keeps getting cleared.

JzG shows why this request is necessary, the proper channels were followed in starting the RFC (that was deleted months ago by the admin that was the target of that RFC) and then when a new RFC was created, the user gets blamed for blanking it. It's obvious JzG has an agenda, it obvious the others involved have an agenda. No other AfD results in so many people getting banned just for voting against the POV pushing cabal. This is ridiculous, looks bad for Misplaced Pages, and needs to end.

Clerk notes

The filing party has been alleged to be a sock of a banned user, and is currently blocked indefinitely. Newyorkbrad 16:33, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (0/4/0/0)

Request to review indefinite block of User:BabyDweezil

Initiated by BabyDweezil at 03:12, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Involved parties

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
  • SlimVirgin
  • CBerlet
  • Smeelgova
Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

Statement by BabyDweezil (revised)

I am requesting a review and relief from the current indefinite ban I have been put under and an examination of the activities of the involved parties named here—in particular Cberlet and SlimVirgin—in bringing this ban to pass. I have recently returned from a one week block, stemming from edit wars that took place in articles related to Scientology.] I had edited articles rife with WP:NPOV,WP:RS, WP:V etc issues, but came up against intransigent edit warriors and reverters, most notably, Smee (some examples here]here]/ ], here]/ ], here], here] (resolved here] after I posted to BLP board). I (& some others) felt the penalties were less than fair; I accepted them and returned to editing resolved to not allow myself to be provoked into 3RR violations and the like. However, in response to a single posting of mine,] inresponse to a personally abusive noticeboard posting by Cberlet, SlimVirgin silenced me with a block, and then instituted an indefinite block proceeding] that effectively retried me for the issues already ruled on, based solely on a single response to a personal attack by Cberlet, all of which I was effectively blocked from responding to.

From about September 2006 through this January, Chip Berlet, Dennis King and myself were heavily, and often contentiously involved in editing the Fred Newman entry, for which I had requested a peer review] as well as informal arbitration. Cberlet became involved in the course of my providing balance, and dozens of reliable sources to the article, and began inserting claims from his own work, forcing into the article as many variations of his demonstrably minority POV “cult” claims. I endured months of unrelenting personal attacks from Chip, who regularly referred to me as a "cult apologist," "totalitarian Orwellian sanitizer" and the like. I basically pleaded with SlimVirgin, who had intervened in defense of Cberlet (and admitted at the time that she knew nothing of the issues and accepted prima facie Berlet's characterization of my being a "cult editor") to provide me relief from Cberlet's incessant, unrelenting cult baiting and abuse.]. She would not help, and continued, and continues to enable these attacks while penalizing responses to them, and apparently still accepts Berlet's cult baiting as fact, rather than personal attacks based on his hostile POV. I note also that the Fred Newman article currently contains SIXTEEN paragraphs directly referencing Berlet’s claims and THIRTY-ONE paragraphs relating to the charges in general; my contribution has been largely to provide balance to this flood of largely fringe criticism. Yet Cberlet claims that somehow my editing of articles such as Fred Newman has left them wildly unbalanced and uncritical.
Late in February, Smee created the article Clouds Blur the Rainbow, about a 1987 Berlet pamphlet attacking Nwman, Lenora Fulani, et al as “totalitarian cultists.” I began editing that article, which had some serious errors (including characterizing the report as a “book.” Smee immediately began edit warring, and falsely accusing me of inventing quotes from sources I supplied etc. Berlet then entered, accusing me of “incompetent research” (my publication dates for this obscure publication were reversed and I missed that a journal version dated Sept/Oct 1987 was not mailed until Nov 1988). Cberlet then filed a complaint on the COI noticeboard (referenced above), calling for my banning, without notifying me (though quietly notifying SlimVirgin), and referring to me (yet again) as an “uncritical supporter” of a “political cult.” SlimVirgin began the proceedings that quickly resulted in my indefinite ban, arrived at in a discussion I was unable to respond to due to the ban, amounting to a “piling on” while I was silenced. Smee began burying material from the Talk Page of the article directly relevant to my case, relenting only after an admin’s intervention.

I do regret the intemperate characterization of Berlet as a “paid propagandist” (rather than ““paid writer”) for the politically partisan publishers of his report). I apologize for my strong tone (provoked as I was by the notice, the circumstances of its posting, and the perceived attacks on myself that I was in it). I do not think my response has warranted such a strong penalty, and likewise, I feel that rehashing all the previous issues (for which penaties were served) is unfair. Thank you for your attention. BabyDweezil 20:44, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Replies by BabyDweezil to Smee moved
  • Smee, please indicate where in my "tirade" I violated WP:NPA. You are the main editor showering admins and user pages with that accusation against me; now is your chance to elaborate in an open forum. BabyDweezil 04:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Thank you, Smee, I'll take your refusal to respond to my request that you elaborate in this forum on your charge that I violated WP:NPA in my arbitration request to simply be just another of your string of similar charges against me, which upon examination always turn out to be frivolous. BabyDweezil 04:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Smee, with regards to my arbitration request, you claim above that"in the above tirade the user continues to violate WP:NPA". I've asked you repeatedly to indicate how. You refuse. Please note, your ongoing habit of making serially false complaints against me—which are no small factor in the penalties I have suffered—is why I included you in the arbitration, so that the committee can get a first hand look at how you operate and your incessant attempts at poisoning attitudes towards particular fellow editors, basically because they disagree with you and have corrected some of your errors. BabyDweezil 15:39, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
  • No, Smee, I asked you to provide a basis for your statement above "in the above tirade the user continues to violate WP:NPA" You are the one "turning this into a point-counterpoint," by refusing to provide that basis. I'm suggesting you don't have one, and thus, once again, (and as you have been doing for weeks all over Misplaced Pages) you have falsely accused me of violating WP:NPA. BabyDweezil 15:56, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Reply by BabyDweezil to Milo

Since Milo, in discussing our "debates" (sic) neglected to supply the relevant DIFF in his clinical assessment of me above, I will. Apparently my supplying a brief clarification of a source's use of a neologism (taken directly from the source) is indicative of my pathology, as outlined by Dr Milo above. And I belated realize that my edit (obviously a product of a disturbed mind) contradicts Milo's own unique and authoritative views on psychology and cults, and i thank Dr Milo for helping me appreciate the error of my ways in ever questioning the apparently world renowned and respected clinical tool Advanced Bonewits Cult Danger Evaluation Frame as a reliable source (my bad). I'll leave it to the Misplaced Pages Psychiatry Department to assess the rest of Dr Milo's clinical recommendations and "insights", since that is all outside my expertise. BabyDweezil 17:13, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Statement by SlimVirgin

BabyDweezil seems to be a follower of Fred Newman, a Marxist psychotherapist who founded the International Workers Party and New Alliance Party, and who was briefly involved with Lyndon LaRouche. A 1987 report by Chip Berlet referred to Newman's therapeutic methods as "totalitarian cultism" (Berlet, Chip. "Institutes for Social Therapy and Totalitarian Cultism" from Clouds Blur the Rainbow, Public Eye, Political Research Associates, 1987).

In her support of Newman, BabyD has engaged in violations of WP:ATT and WP:BLP, frequent personal attacks, withering sarcasm, and allegations that other editors are spies and propagandists, or that admins who don't agree with her are corrupt and vindictive. The result is that talk pages she posts on become toxic and practically useless.

I first encountered her on October 8, 2006, when I was asked to look at Fred Newman because of an edit war between BabyD, Chip Berlet, and some others, which seemed to be caused by Baby adding her own opinions. I protected, and asked on talk whether there were BLP issues (material unfair to Newman) because I felt there were a few in the lead and I wasn't happy protecting that version. I outlined my concerns here. BabyD also raised some concerns. The whole discussion is here. I unprotected on October 12 to allow the BLP issues to be fixed. I next encountered BabyD on November 1, 2006 on the same page when she inserted a poorly sourced claim about a living critic of Newman's. I removed the claim and protected the page after she and another account restored it. I unprotected on November 3 when BabyD assured me she wouldn't restore it, although she continued to do so, and I had to threaten her with a block before she stopped.

That was the last direct contact I had with BabyD, but I could see from her interactions with other admins that she continued to cause trouble and was blocked eight times in 15 weeks for 3RR, edit warring, or personal attacks, often responding by accusing admins of acting vindictively against her, for example here. On February 16, BabyD posted a complaint on AN/I about Smeelgova (I can't get this link to go directly to the section; it's item six) to which almost everyone who responded pointed out that it was BabyD herself who was the problem. BabyD responded with personal attacks on all involved, and comments such as "Eeeek! help help!!! He's still stalking me, Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp!!!!!" A few days later, Bishonen suggested a one-month block on AN/I, later reduced to one week, noting that BabyD spends her time "skilfully balancing on the very verge of being blocked for edit warring, for personal attacks, for disruption ... I'm very sure that the sum total of his/her impact on wikipedia is negative: that the poisoning of the atmosphere of talkpages, and the disturbance, annoyance, and sheer waste of time of other editors amply outweigh any good edits that may be hiding in some corner where I haven't looked."

Finally, on March 4, I saw this remark of BabyD's accusing one editor of being a "paid propagandist" and "paid partisan," and that editor and another of being "spooks." I decided to block her indefinitely because further warnings and temporary blocks were unlikely to make any difference. Her predictable response was that the block was vindictive and that her "paid propagandist" allegation had been "entirely accurate." I posted the block for review on WP:CN and it was supported by 12 other admins and editors. SlimVirgin 20:06, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Statement by Cberlet

  • Uphold Community Ban I recognize that Arbcom has authority to review this decision, but feel that the ban was proper and issued only after repeated violations. I urge Arbcom to uphold the community ban.--Cberlet 18:08, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


Statement by Smee

I have said all that is needed to say in this space. I think it is fairly obvious, and if not, more info is better seen by examining the links I gave above. Smee 04:50, 8 March 2007 (UTC).
That is not the case. I have simply taken the tack that I do not wish to get into a hurtful back and forth with you, which in some cases in interaction with other editors has just brought on more personal attacks. I prefer to let your past history and links above speak for themselves. Smee 13:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC).
And this is exactly why I did not want to get into this here. You are turning this into a point-counterpoint, back and forth match of some sort, that I simply do not wish to be a party to. Other users have already commented on your style of personal attacks. Your other inappropriate behaviour is self-evident in the links provided and your history of blocks, as noted by others. And your personal attacks are not limited to myself, but to many of the other editors you encounter, and have been noted by them as such. Smee 15:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC).
I was not referring to myself in particular, simply your style of personal attacks all over the place. "intransigent edit warriors and reverters", your allegations about Chip: "battle into the article", your incorrect statements saying I had " falsely accusing me of inventing quotes", when all I was asking for was a correct citation, for a quote that did not exist in a source you provided, your allegations and interpretations of "piling on", and even your weak weak apology of using the term "paid propagandist", in which directly afterwards you state "an overly pejorative reference to his 25 year employment with the politically partisan publishers of his report", defending your reasoning of why you said that in the first place! Not to mention claiming that your reference to him as a "spook" was "benign and respectful". It seems that after virtually every "apology" you give, you act ever so more defensive: "I apologize for my strong tone (provoked as I was by the notice, the circumstances of its posting, and the perceived attacks on myself that I was in it)." You seem to only be able to communicate with others through using personal attacks and harsh language and tone. This is unprofessional, inappropriate, and disruptive. And that is putting it politely. Smee 16:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC).

Comment by Cyde Weys

The ArbCom cannot get involved here. BabyDweezil has already been banned by the community at large, which is a stronger ban than even the ArbCom can administer. It is not within the ArbCom's jurisdiction to so go against the will of the community on this one. --Cyde Weys 14:11, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

We have jurisdiction. Whether it would be wise to exercise it is another matter. Fred Bauder 15:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Comment by Tsunami Butler

Although I think that it is probably true that BabyDweezil is something of a tendentious editor, some of the tactics she describes as being employed by her opponents deserve scrutiny by the ArbCom. I have seen the same disturbing pattern at other articles: Dking and Cberlet attempting to dominate article content through excessive self-citing, then moving to a tactic of speculating about the motives of editors who raise objections (in violation of AGF and NPA,) and finally calling upon SlimVirgin to ban their opponents. At the very least, Dking and Cberlet should be warned against further personal attacks, and SlimVirgin should be asked to recuse herself from using admin powers in content disputes initiated by Dking and Cberlet. She is clearly not acting as a neutral administrator in these situations. --Tsunami Butler 15:46, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Statement by Durova

It is my understanding that community banned editors may appeal their ban to ArbCom. Indeed, it would be troubling if such appeal were not possible. As one of the three primary coauthors of the Misplaced Pages:Disruptive editing guideline I'll affirm that BabyDweezil's block history is consistent with the profile of a disruptive editor and with past commuity bans. The discussion and closure were consistent with the guideline's present wording. My only involvement with this proposed case was at the ban discussion.

BabyDweezil does raise some interesting points that were not anticipated during the guideline's draft proposal phase. It may be worthwhile to augment either WP:DE or WP:BAN with a requirement to notify the editor in question of a ban discussion and provide that editor (if blocked) with some means of response. Community bans are a developing aspect of Misplaced Pages - WP:CN itself is a new noticeboard - and it's reasonable to implement some procedural refinements at this stage.

I leave it to the Committee whether to decide BabyDweezil might reasonably have expected any other outcome than sitebanning and whether community ban procedures should be refined by the community or via arbitration. Durova 18:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

To elaborate, this ban discussion had a normal number of participants for a community ban. BabyDweezil professes a desire for specific notification and an opportunity to comment. This proposed arbitration may merit a hearing on that basis although I have also provided the editor a community-based option for resolving this concern: shortly before the editor was unblocked for the purpose of appealing to ArbCom I offered to accept a statement via e-mail and to reopen the community discussion on that basis. BabyDweezil did not make use of my offer. Durova 03:00, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, Durova, and the offer is appreciated; however, as explained above, I'm questioning the whole manner which brought about my being brought before the community at all this time around, and the behavior of those responsible for the bringing it about--issues that would not be addressed simply by reopening the community discussion (especially with the amount of well-poisoning that has transpired as a result of my participation and opportunity for response being denied). And a "normal number of participants" msy have weighed in, but a number of those were editors not disclosing their previous involvement, while others simply noted the block log history, with no sense of the level of hostility and concerted and coordinated edit warring, provocations, and hostility I often came up against when editing Scientology-related artciles in particular. BabyDweezil 04:39, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
It's easier for the arbitrators if you reply in your own section, BabyDweezil. Please strikethrough or add supplements rather than remove and alter text that I've already responded to. I strongly suggest you seek a mentor at WP:ADOPT.
Between mid-November and the community ban proposal this editor received eight blocks from six different administrators. It is highly unlikely that this type of block history would result from a few isolated incidents or administrative misjudgement. Both common sense and precedent make sitebanning a reasonable possibility under those circumstances. Durova 14:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
BabyDweezil has contacted me to explain that an ArbCom member had advised this editor to proceed solely with RFAR. In that case I understand the decision to open a request here. I don't know the reasons behind that and respectfully request to be advised (via e-mail if appropriate) whether it would be better for me to terminate my community-based alternative offer. Durova 21:56, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Statement by Thatcher131

I am recusing from clerking this case due to a previous disagreement with Cberlet over whether or not to take action against another editor who he was in a dispute with. I would like the Committee to look into Berlet's role in this case. He is named in the article Fred Newman (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) several times as a "prominent critic", and his publication Clouds Blur the Rainbow (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (about Newman) is cited as a source. Cberlet has extensively edited both articles. Obviously he knows a lot about both subjects. However, when does an obvious conflict of interest such as this cross the line into doing more harm than good? Thatcher131 21:40, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Statement by Anynobody

I met BabyDweezil while editing the Barbara Schwarz article. I first assumed her strong objections were out of concern for Ms. Schwarz's feelings. I have now been forced to the conclusion that this type of behavior may be more common than I thought. For the consideration of the WP:ARBCOM members and anyone interested I present these links as typical behavior by BabyDweezil on the Talk:Barbara Schwarz page. Talk:Barbara Schwarz/Archive 10#What's the point of this ridiculous, gratuitous article? Talk:Barbara Schwarz/Archive 10#What's this weird obsession with Schwarz all about anyway? Talk:Barbara Schwarz/Archive 10#Tilman--conflict of interest editing this article? Talk:Barbara Schwarz/Archive 10#Public service announcement for those apparently unable to access a dictionary... Talk:Barbara Schwarz/Archive 10#Tilman, time to recuse yourself per WP:COI I also feel I should say that an investigation of all editors involved is a great idea. While I personally think any incivility on the part of other editors toward BabyDweezil is a response to her attitude of the same, I would very much like to know how you feel the community responded to BabyDweezil. Thank you for your time, Anynobody 22:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Reply from BabyDweezil to Anynobody: Anynobody, thank you for posting those links, which I would be happy if WP:ARBCOM members took the time to peruse, not simply as examples of "typical behavior by BabyDweezil" but as an example of some "typical behavior" by the group of editors who guard that spiteful vengeful article--which exists only to have Misplaced Pages serve not as an encyclopedia but as an extension for some trivial Usenet madness--like hawks. BabyDweezil 23:09, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Statement by Milo

I notice that many of the conflicts with BabyDweezil (BD) involve BLP passions, in which BD can routinely claim somebody else started it. On the contrary, my debates with BD involved mostly ideas, and I think they reveal more about BD's underlying approach to editing consensus.
I have one speculative insight into why BD might have too many frustrating conflicts with other Misplaced Pages editors. I'm deliberately categorizing it as speculative, so BD can simply deny or ignore it. That way I won't be further burdened with demands for evidence, since I experienced that no amount of evidence is ever enough for BD.

  • I experienced BD's refusal to take strongly-evidenced points in a group debate, even when BD's own stated criteria were satisfied. (find "ender"), This consensus-divergent behavior is obvious, but it may be distracting group attention away from a subtle, but no less important issue.
  • My insight is that BD's internal dictionary subtly morphs its definitions as necessary to support BD's current need in a debate. (find directly and reciprocally)
  • One operational behavior to reduce future conflict, would be an agreement to look up and use, during dispute, the definitions found in standard dictionaries of North American and British English.
  • However, that won't entirely solve the problem, since BD refuses to take even strong debate points, and apparently engages in definitional quibbling to defend the internal dictionary morphs (see the previously linked debate thread).

I offer three reasons why this (speculative) insight might be useful:

  1. If Arbcom examines all the editors involved, insight into a little-noticed common factor causing conflict may be useful in making a group judgment.
  2. Should BD ever be allowed to edit Misplaced Pages again, this insight might provide one element of an operational behavior guide (a recipe) for reducing co-editing conflict.
  3. Despite my expectation of a routine public dismissal, BD can privately consider if this insight is valid, and if it turns out to be so, possibly gain some future conflict-reduction utility from it. That might eventually benefit Misplaced Pages, since BD can otherwise be expected to tell others that Misplaced Pages editors started it.
Milo 12:22, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


Clerk notes

Per User:BabyDweezil, the user has been "nblocked to file a request for arbitration. Editing is limited to Requests for arbitration and her own pages. Fred Bauder 18:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)." Newyorkbrad 15:50, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Recused. Thatcher131 21:40, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Talkpage note left for BabyDweezil to please remove threaded discussion and reduce overall statement length promptly. Newyorkbrad 17:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (5/3/1/0)

Requests for clarification

Requests for clarification from the Committee on matters related to the Arbitration process. Place new requests at the top.

Appeal of probation

WP:RFAR/HWY was an arbitration case that placed me on probation in relation to highways articles because of a naming dispute that got ugly. However, not only have I refrained from disrupting the highways articles (except for one controversial block many months ago), but I have made over 13000 edits since that time. The naming dispute has also been satisfactorily resolved at WP:SRNC. Page moves have taken place, and there is peace at the highways section of Misplaced Pages. I have been influential in building the project infastructure (WP:USRD/NEWS, massive assessment of articles, infobox changes at WP:CASH, and much more). Thus, not as a license to disrupt articles, which I would not do under any circumstances, but as the removal of a blotch on my Misplaced Pages reputation, I am requesting the removal of my probation on Misplaced Pages. (Please make this motion separate from the other highways request below). --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 05:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't involved with the Arbitration Committee back then, so looking at the past case quickly, it appears that there's no expiration for the probation, and that you were blocked in August 2006 for violation of this probation, as you mentioned above. Is this correct? Other arbitrators who were with the Committee then may also wish to comment here, since I'm not familiar with the case. Thanks. Flcelloguy (A note?) 04:38, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
This is correct. It was for changing the bolded words to match the article titles and for removing links to redirects (which is why I view it as controversial as these are normal Misplaced Pages activities). However, even if it was justified, it has been several months, the issue is resolved, I have made about 10000 edits since then, etc. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 22:05, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
As a member of the then-sitting Arbcom - I would be in favor of placing a time limit on that probation, based on the lack of recurrence of problems since then, rather than leaving it indefinite. It has been six months since the one and only block due to this probation, more or less - I would be inclined to let this provision expire. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 07:37, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Recourse for unconfirmed credentials

In the depleted uranium case, I presented as evidence several recent articles from the peer-reviewed medical and scientific literature in support of my position, but my detractors, about six of whom claimed Ph.D. or M.D. credentials but were unwilling to verify those credentials or their identity, were unable to find any recent peer-reviewed reports counter to my positions, or even to even verify my own citations at their library. One or more of them were probably lying about their credentials. Almost any M.D. would, for example, have access to Athens or a similar full text database, or access to a reference librarian who does. Someone with a Ph.D. in metallurgy ought to have access to a library with J Phys Chem and similar journals from the 1960s. I see that Jimbo has proposed a new policy for verification of credentials, and I would like to challenge my detractors to verify their credentials in accordance with Jimbo's proposal. How may I do so? James S. 20:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Speaking as a non-arbitrator, there is no way to verify credentials at this time, and you're missing the point of Jimbo's message. It is not to, for example, force people you don't like to verify their identity or stop editing, nor is it to require such a degree in order to edit. Ral315 » 23:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
"Misplaced Pages founder Jimmy Wales said ... that contributors still would be able to remain anonymous. But he said they should only be allowed to cite some professional expertise in a subject if those credentials have been verified." James S. 21:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
This request is inappropriate, since it has nothing to do with the "arbitration process". Paul August ☎ 00:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
On the contrary, this is a very serious problem with the arbitration process. What is and isn't proper behavior (and responsible editing) often depends very much on the facts, and this is particularly true when editors make health claims about toxins. What if Dow Chemical wanted to get a half-dozen people to claim advanced degrees and go to work on Agent Orange, scrubbing it of peer-reviewed scientific literature as has been happening on the depleted uranium article? Shouldn't it be advisable and within the process for the arbitrators or parties to request proof of the advanced and medical degrees claimed, especially, as happened in the depleted uranium, when those degrees were assumed by the arbitrators to be real with no supporting evidence or even knowledge of the identities of those claiming the credentials? James S. 03:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
That is only a proposal for consideration by the community and has not as of yet been adopted. It also does not have bearing on the results of your arbitration, and its findings and remedies will not be altered by this. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 23:09, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Why not? Do you think it is just to let stand findings which assumed the credentials were real without any evidence? When the proposal is adopted, I would like leave to raise this issue then. If that is not acceptable, then please let me know why. James S. 20:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Appeal of probation

In July of last year I was placed on probation as part of the decision in this RfA. I do not believe this decision was just, and I believe that the unusual indefinite length of this probation despite the fact that I have never been a disruptive editor and that no evidence was ever presented against me is arbitrary and unfair. Accordingly, I've chosen to abandon this account in the meantime rather than to tacitly accept the legitimacy of this unjust probation by continuing to edit with it. In October I sought to have this probation lifted but, perversely, my appeal was rejected because I hadn't been editing in the meantime. However, since that time I have been editing without incident as An Innocent Man, and I believe my contribution history there continues to demonstrate that I am not now, nor have I ever been, a disruptive user--and, incidentally, it should be noted that I have not been editing any of the articles I'm putatively enjoined from "disrupting," nor do I have even the slightest shred of a shadow of a desire to ever do so again as long as I live. I would therefore like to ask once again that this unjust probation be lifted.

I am familiar with the rules governing the use of alternate accounts, and I believe my use of this one falls within the bounds of acceptability. I only created it because the thought of using my normal account while I am subject to an unjust probation sickens me. My only intent here is to clear my good name. —phh (/c) 13:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

  • It's a blot on my good name. I've been contributing productively here since 2003, a tenure longer than that of 99 percent of active contributors. I have never made trouble or asked anybody for recognition. It is wrong that I should be arbitrarily singled out and branded with a scarlet letter and held up before all and sundry as a member of some rogues' gallery when this very page is at this moment filled from top to bottom with tales of contributors who have attacked other users, vandalized pages, blanked pages, edit warred, wheel warred, abused administrative powers, and generally behaved far worse than I ever have or ever will, and I think we all know that only a small fraction of the people named will ever see any action taken against them of any kind.
If I am not engaged in problematic behavior, then I do not belong on a list of people who do. Unlike many—perhaps most—people here, I edit under my own name, not a pseudonym or online identity that can be discarded at will. Nothing is more important to me than my reputation. Nothing.
Who steals my purse steals trash; ’tis something, nothing;
’Twas mine, ’tis his, and has been slave to thousands;
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of that which not enriches him
And makes me poor indeed.
—William Shakespeare
—phh (/c) 05:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
As I said above (under the appeal written by another user under probation from that case) I feel that placing a time limit on the probation would be a good idea. There has been no recurrence in more than six months, under either of your identities. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 07:41, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Request for clarification of Derek Smart case

The recently closed ArbCom case for Derek Smart, found here had a number of findings related to sock puppets, single purpse accounts, and a decision regarding "surrogates" of Derek Smart.

I would like clarification from ArbCom on this case. Am I considered a "harmful SPA" with respect to this article? Am I considered a surrogate of Derek Smart?

In my defense, I would like to say that while I have a tendency to focus in on one article and stick with it, I am not a single-purpose account. A quick scan of my activity will show that I have pursued other articles besides this one (albeit following my self-described "one article at a time" habit). Furthermore, while editing this article I pushed no particular POV, sometimes making edits with content that reflected favorably on Smart and sometimes not. In the past I've been vocal in debate against SupremeCmdr and Warhawk/WarhawkSP. I think my position was best summarized by an anonymous respondant to the ArbCom case's workshop page, "Mael-num seems to me to be a neutral editor with a conservative view toward the negative aspects of the article subject's notability, who may have felt that after other editors had been banned from editing, there were potential troubles maintaining neutrality.". The consensus of other editors involved was that I was not working in collusion with SupremeCmdr et al. Which leads me to my request for clarification. Most important to me is that I would like to know that I am not seen as guilty of something I have not done. It's a matter of principle that I don't want to be seen as a sockpuppet, SPA, or POV-pusher. Thank you in advance for your consideration.

Mael-Num 03:20, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:SPA says that editing a small number of articles qualifies; and that this may be perfectly innocent. The general remedy speaks this way: Editors are encouraged to use judgment and discretion in enforcement of this remedy, rather than implementing it in a mechanical fashion. You may feel the finding of fact is harsh, but it is not now going to change. Charles Matthews 12:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)



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