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	:The sources I’ve added do demonstrate that “Kashmir intifada” is a ] for the subject of this article, i.e. the insurgency which has been ongoing since 1989. Thank you for acknowledging the fact that the sources have referred to the insurgency as 'Kashmir intifada' from time to time since it's beginning. Further, as the term has been on the article for five long years (2017-2022) without a debate on its presence until someone removed it without a valid argument, it should remain in the article given the longstanding history. Unless of course, if you can come up with reliable sources that say 'Kashmir Insurgency' has never been referred as the 'Kashmir Intifada'. ] (]) 19:20, 26 March 2023 (UTC)		:The sources I’ve added do demonstrate that “Kashmir intifada” is a ] for the subject of this article, i.e. the insurgency which has been ongoing since 1989. Thank you for acknowledging the fact that the sources have referred to the insurgency as 'Kashmir intifada' from time to time since it's beginning. Further, as the term has been on the article for five long years (2017-2022) without a debate on its presence until someone removed it without a valid argument, it should remain in the article given the longstanding history. Unless of course, if you can come up with reliable sources that say 'Kashmir Insurgency' has never been referred as the 'Kashmir Intifada'. ] (]) 19:20, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
	::Almost all the top search results that are returned in a google search for are related to the . That is the primary usage of the name. We can add it to the article on such a day that the term returns result to the insurgency more than it does to the book. Until then, no. ] (]) 20:55, 26 March 2023 (UTC)		::Almost all the top search results that are returned in a google search for are related to the . That is the primary usage of the name. We can add it to the article on such a day that the term returns result to the insurgency more than it does to the book. Until then, no. ] (]) 20:55, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
			:::Google Search results are never a good gauge as the search results are skewed and tailored to each user's own search history and preferences. The search result that comes up on your screen cannot triumph the sources already provided. 'Kashmir Intifada' is a significant alternate name and should be mentioned in the article lead. During speech at the ] on 21 September 2016, ], former prime minister of Pakistan, described ] as a "young leader" who had emerged as a symbol of the latest "Kashmiri Intifada".<ref>{{cite news\|url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/At-UN-Sharif-talks-of-Intifada-in-JK-India-says-Pak-in-complete-denial/articleshow/54455415.cms\|title=At UN, Sharif talks of 'Intifada' in J&K, India says Pak 'in complete denial'\|first=Chidanand\|last=Rajghatta\|work=The Times of India\|date=22 September 2016\|access-date=22 September 2016}}</ref> ] (]) 10:14, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

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A recent addition was made to the strength numbers in the infobox stating the range to be about 700,000 citing an Al Jazeera article for the same. A discussion for this exact thing is available in the archives here, but I am unable discern a consensus and the infobox stats have gotten changed since prompting the recent addition.

I don't think Al Jazeera's passing mention of the strength is particularly reliable as a source and better sources (including from the last discussion) can be used and the figures adjusted accordingly. @Kautilya3 and DiplomatTesterMan: pinging from the last discussion. Gotitbro (talk) 08:29, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I think we should stick to the old consensus. We need specialists assessing these things, not reporters. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:20, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

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March 2023

Oriental Aristocrat, the sources you’ve added themselves do not demonstrate that “Kashmir intifada” is a significant alternative name for the subject of this article, i.e. the insurgency which has been ongoing since 1989. Of the sources you’ve added for intifada, the first says in the introduction that it employs the term for “the summer of 2010”, referring to the 2010 unrest: “It is these images of naked courage that allowed people in Kashmir to tremulously make a connection with the long and heroic resistance of the people of Palestine. And refer to the summer of 2010 as their intifada”. Sumantra Bose calls the 1990–95 militancy “the intifada phase,” and calls the 1999–2002 period as “the fidayeen phase.” That doesn’t make “Kashmir fidayeen” an alternative name for the subject of this article. In the wire article, Jha refers to the peak militancy of 1990–95 as the “first ‘Intifada’”, and the 2016 unrest as the second. And the Watali memoir hardly trumps scholarship. Such cherrypicking of sources is misrepresentation. The term here on this article was added by an account that was blocked for sock-puppetry about a month after the edit. Ideally it should have been reverted then. UnpetitproleX (talk) 18:11, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

I have reverted it. I have also removed the section about India Pak cross border fire, as that was not related to the article. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 18:51, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

The sources I’ve added do demonstrate that “Kashmir intifada” is a significant alternative name for the subject of this article, i.e. the insurgency which has been ongoing since 1989. Thank you for acknowledging the fact that the sources have referred to the insurgency as 'Kashmir intifada' from time to time since it's beginning. Further, as the term has been on the article for five long years (2017-2022) without a debate on its presence until someone removed it without a valid argument, it should remain in the article given the longstanding history. Unless of course, if you can come up with reliable sources that say 'Kashmir Insurgency' has never been referred as the 'Kashmir Intifada'. Oriental Aristocrat (talk) 19:20, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Almost all the top search results that are returned in a google search for kashmir intifada are related to the Watali memoir. That is the primary usage of the name. We can add it to the article on such a day that the term returns result to the insurgency more than it does to the book. Until then, no. UnpetitproleX (talk) 20:55, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Google Search results are never a good gauge as the search results are skewed and tailored to each user's own search history and preferences. The search result that comes up on your screen cannot triumph the sources already provided. 'Kashmir Intifada' is a significant alternate name and should be mentioned in the article lead. During speech at the United Nations General Assembly on 21 September 2016, Nawaz Sharif, former prime minister of Pakistan, described Burhan Wani as a "young leader" who had emerged as a symbol of the latest "Kashmiri Intifada". Ameen Akbar (talk) 10:14, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Until My Freedom Has Come: The New Intifada in Kashmir. Penguin Books India. 2011. ISBN 9780143416470.
Bose, Sumantra (2009). Kashmir: Roots of Conflict, Paths to Peace. Harvard University Press. p. 107. ISBN 9780674028555.
Rajghatta, Chidanand (22 September 2016). "At UN, Sharif talks of 'Intifada' in J&K, India says Pak 'in complete denial'". The Times of India. Retrieved 22 September 2016.

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