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Section sizes Section size for Revolution of Dignity (37 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 27,429 27,429 Prelude 8,307 8,307 Overview 13,130 13,130 Detailed timeline 63 106,751 18 February 2014 23 23,862 Protest march and initial clashes 15,735 15,735 Attack on Maidan 4,497 4,497 Opposition leaders meeting with Yanukovych 3,607 3,607 19 February 12,114 12,114 20 February 17,660 36,809 Diplomatic efforts 5,537 5,537 Ukrainian political developments 13,612 13,612 21 February 5,200 20,484 Agreement on settlement of political crisis 7,380 7,380 Agreement aftermath 7,904 7,904 Removal of Yanukovych 6,884 13,419 Disappearance and prosecution 6,535 6,535 Aftermath 15 54,769 New government 10,891 10,891 Juridical developments 4,025 4,025 Yanukovych press conference and Russian response 4,002 4,002 Ban on Russian state TV 1,014 1,014 Lustration 3,222 3,222 Berkut dissolved 2,732 2,732 Protests against the revolution 14,135 14,135 Russian occupation of Crimea 2,043 2,043 Destruction of Soviet monuments 3,853 3,853 Sports 5,203 5,203 Public opinion 575 575 Signing of the EU Association Agreement 2,098 2,098 Suicides of former officials 961 961 Casualties 1,466 1,466 Russian involvement 7,618 11,871 Russian propaganda 4,253 4,253 See also 53 53 Notes 39 39 References 966 966 Total 224,781 224,781

This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination. Discussions: RM, February 2014 Euromaidan riots → February 2014 Euromaidan clashes, a new discussion has been started below, 22 February 2014, Talk:February 2014 Maidan revolution/Archive 1#Requested move RM, February 2014 Euromaidan riots → 2014 Ukrainian Revolution, moved, 23 February 2014, Talk:February 2014 Maidan revolution/Archive 2#Move to 2014 Ukrainian Revolution RM, 2014 Ukrainian revolution → Overthrow of Viktor Yanukovych, not moved, 22 March 2014, Talk:February 2014 Maidan revolution/Archive 4#Move proposal RM, 2014 Ukrainian revolution → February 2014 ousting of President Viktor Yanukovych, Not move to "February 2014 ousting of President Viktor Yanukovych" but some are open for other option, 1 July 2014, Talk:February 2014 Maidan revolution/Archive 6#Requested move to February 2014 ousting of President Viktor Yanukovych RM, 2014 Ukrainian revolution → Overthrow of Viktor Yanukovych, not moved, 8 July 2014, Talk:February 2014 Maidan revolution/Archive 6#2014 Ukrainian revolution be renamed and moved to Overthrow of Viktor Yanukovych. RM, 2014 Ukrainian revolution → Revolution of Dignity, Closed as unproductive, 19 December 2015, Talk:February 2014 Maidan revolution/Archive 7#Move to "Revolution of Dignity"? RM, 2014 Ukrainian revolution → Ukrainian Revolution of 2014, no consensus to move, 13 May 2016, Talk:February 2014 Maidan revolution/Archive 7#Requested move 13 May 2016 RM, 2014 Ukrainian revolution → Revolution of Dignity, Closed as malformed, 25 June 2021, Talk:February 2014 Maidan revolution#Requested move 25 June 2021 RM, 2014 Ukrainian revolution → Revolution of Dignity, moved, 24 November 2021, special:permalink/1056945579 RM, Revolution of Dignity → Ukrainian Revolution of 2014, not moved, 22 March 2023, Special:Permalink/1147245011#Requested move 22 March 2023

Requested move 3/21/2023

Revolution of Dignity → Ukrainian Revolution of 2014 – Per WP:COMMONNAME. 'Revolution of Dignity' is a propaganda term and is not what most of the English-speaking world would refer to the revolution as. The current title is less descriptive and brings serious NPOV concerns. One of the previous reasons for support was "even though it's not the common name in English it's a good natural dab" - another NPOV comment. Furthermore, such a title follows the general naming convention for revolutions. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 22:42, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@LegalSmeagolian: Please follow the correct procedures for requested moves, WP:RM. BTW: Maybe you shouldn't call a term used by a Harvard historian (Serhii Plokhy, see my comment in one of the two discussions on the subject above) a "propaganda term". Rsk6400 (talk) 05:50, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Oops fixing now. Thanks. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 14:56, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 22 March 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 20:34, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Revolution of Dignity → Ukrainian Revolution of 2014 – Revolution of Dignity → Ukrainian Revolution of 2014 – Per WP:COMMONNAME. 'Revolution of Dignity' is a propaganda term and is not what most of the English-speaking world would refer to the revolution as. The current title is less descriptive and brings serious NPOV concerns. One of the previous reasons for support was "even though it's not the common name in English it's a good natural dab" - another NPOV comment. Furthermore, such a title follows the general naming convention for revolutions. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 14:58, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

• Strong oppose The name of this page has been discussed many times (see header), and this is a waste of time. Serhii Plokhy, The Gates of Europe: A History of Ukraine, which is one of the most popular scholarly works on Ukrainian history, simply calls it "Revolution of Dignity" on pages 339, 341, 342, 352, 353, and in the index. Since Plokhy is a history professor at Harvard University, we should not call our title "a propaganda term". Rsk6400 (talk) 15:34, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

  I agree with you since this is obviously a common name, but you should rethink your insinuation that professors at Harvard can never spread propaganda. 〜 Festucalex • talk 16:34, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

  Are you saying Plokhy spreads propaganda? That’s wrong. Or just discussing philosophical principals for the sake of discussion? Either way, the comment is unconstructive.  —Michael Z. 23:43, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

  Harvard professors are not immune to bias, nor above criticism. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 18:19, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose since this is the English WP:COMMONNAME, despite being, admittedly, a flagrantly biased term. This term's commonality can be traced to the fact that most of the English-speaking world supports the post-Maidan Ukrainian state for geopolitical reasons that are irrelevant to this move request. I, however, would consider supporting a move to Maidan Revolution. 〜 Festucalex • talk 17:09, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

  • I would also be in support of moving the page to Maidan Revolution, as it is not flagrantly biased and more descriptive than Revolution of Dignity. I will say that, when it was in the news in the US, most referred to it as "Maidan" or "the Ukrainian Revolution" with outlets referring to it as the Revolution of Dignity only after Russia's invasion. I believe google trends reflects this. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 18:17, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

• oppose no evidence provided that 'Ukrainian Revolution of 2014' is the common name or that Revolution of Dignity is a 'propaganda term'. Maidan Revolution should probable redirect to the wider Euromaidan—blindlynx 18:22, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

  Hey, this you? I think it would be dishonest to say that the term "Revolution of Dignity" is not propagandizing events, as it implies the whole thing was dignified. While, in my opinion, it was necessary for the Ukranian people, it was a very chaotic situation that heavily relied on far-right paramilitaries. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 18:29, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

  wow i supported the move a to this title a few years ago you really got me there. A few hundred far right crazies in protests of hundreds of thousands is hardly a heavy reliance—blindlynx 18:42, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

  Those people were some of the heavy lifters of the protests, for better or worse. And you supported the move and remarked that it wasn't the common name. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 19:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

  LegalSmeagolian, I read two academic books on Ukrainian history, both recent enough to cover the Maidan events (Plokhy and Andreas Kappeler). Neither supports the Russian narrative of strong influence by "far-right paramilitaries". Either present RS or stop repeating that piece of disinformation. Rsk6400 (talk) 19:12, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

  I don't wish to overstate their role, but they were certainly a contributing factor. They barely had any influence on the new government, but in terms of the actual protests themselves, they were incredibly active and participatory. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 19:39, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

  You realize overstating there role is decidedly propaganda right? But it seems that Revolution of dignity is the current common name, , , —blindlynx 19:18, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

  Yet you brought it up when it isn't relevant to this move. I'm sorry but the the far right being brought up just because we're talking about Ukraine when it has precious little to do with the specific topic is exactly what i mean by overstating. Moreover this paper is very careful not to make inferences about influence but just talks about visibility—blindlynx 20:22, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

  That's not true, the paper also talks about real participation in the protests. Additionally, I never stated that they had a strong influence on the resulting government, rather that they were a major participant of the protests/revolution. Again, I think the participation of far-right movements makes the term "Dignity" inaccurate, and hence the article should go with a non-biased non-glorifying title. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 21:19, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

  It's not worth getting into a methodological debate about media analyses. You need to back up the claim that 'dignity' glorifies the far-right rather than describes Ukrainians fight for anti-imperialism and meaningful self-determination—blindlynx 21:45, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

  (i didn't mean to present it a binary, there's obviously nuance, sorry) —blindlynx 21:48, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose and WP:SNOW close per what everyone else has said. WP:COMMONNAME applies. — Czello 19:36, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

  I think it is pretty clear from multiple topic discussions above that the current name is contentious, with @ZeroXero's comment in the '"Revolution of dignity" is a propaganda term' discussion being particularly compelling. Therefore a WP:SNOW. I think it would be wise to hear from a wide variety of Misplaced Pages editors discussing the title and various options before even considering a close. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 20:22, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

  It may or may not be a "propaganda" term, but it's still the WP:COMMONNAME. I suggested a snow close as every comment so far is opposed to a rename, and I can't see that changing. — Czello 14:00, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

• Strong oppose and WP:SNOW close per responses from fellow Wikipedians. – Treetoes023 (talk) 00:11, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. No evidence for the COMMONNAME assertion. Discussion makes it clear this is an attempt to WP:right great wrongs by editors who don’t want to allow Ukrainians something with dignity and play up right-wing “paramilitaries” as an excuse.  —Michael Z. 00:24, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

  I don't think your assertion that this is WP:right great wrongsis very civil. I don't have any qualms with the Ukrainian people, I support Ukraine in its defense against Russian aggression, and I think the 2014 Revolution was a positive for Ukraine as a whole. I have just not heard this term for these events common English parlance, and I think there should be a bit of nuance on how we describe historic events. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 20:08, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

  For the third time: One of the most respected experts on Ukrainian history uses the term on a lot pages (which I listed above) and in the index of his book. For the first time: That you started this discussion doesn't mean that you have to reply to each and every contribution here. Rsk6400 (talk) 20:18, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

  I think it is appropriate to respectfully reply to a claim that I am attempting to "right great wrongs." LegalSmeagolian (talk) 20:20, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Support I wouldn’t call the “Revolution of Dignity” a propaganda term, but the title “Ukrainian Revolution of 2014” seems more informative and easier to find. Even “Maidan Revolution” works! I ignore color revolutions on this subject. They are ment to have different titles! TankDude2000 (talk) 18:16, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

current name seems to insult Syria

The 2011 Syrian Revolution demoted to the obscure corners of Revolution of Dignity (disambiguation) is also called the "Revolution of Dignity". Notable voices like Abdeljelil Temimi and Mohamed-Salah Omri have referred to it this way. I worry about racism and recentism giving rise to having Ukraine monopolize this phrase. Why are whites in Ukraine more deserving of "dignity" than the Arab Spring?

I think the only fair way to do this would be to call them Syria revolution of dignity and Ukraine revolution of dignity.

That way the countries and their dignified revolutions would be treated equally. LichCake (talk) 03:00, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

You could simply change the title on the infobox on the “Syrian Revolution of Dignity” page if you want. I suggest that we change the title from “Revolution of Dignity” to “Ukrainian revolution of 2014”. TankDude2000 (talk) 18:25, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

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TankDude2000 (talk) 11:20, 13 April 2023 (UTC) Starting on 18 February Euromaidan activists occupied regional state administration (RSA) buildings in several oblasts (regions). -> Since 18 February, Euromaidan activists started occupying regional state administration (RSA) buildings in several oblasts.

 Question: why? M.Bitton (talk) 20:28, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear why you want to make this change, and it does not appear to have consensus. Please discuss before making a new request, which should be of the form "please change X to Y". Thank you. Ivanvector (/_Edits) 18:56, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 13 April 2023

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Revolution of Dignity → Ukrainian Revolution of 2014 – Most revolutions that may have “dignity” in their titles are not shown like this. For example: the Tunisian Revolution page may be called “Tunisian Revolution of Dignity”, but it is not shown like that on wikipedia. The title “Revolution of Dignity” may be used for more revolutions, so it would create a confusion. TankDude2000 (talk) 18:33, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

@TankDude2000: No, this is disruptive. The last move discussion has been closed just two weeks ago. I removed the template, so that the robot will not list the discussion anywhere. Rsk6400 (talk) 18:51, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Bro, I was stating another reason. Stop targeting new users! TankDude2000 (talk) 19:03, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

No one's targeting you. Nonetheless, ultimately the last discussion demonstrated that WP:COMMONNAME is a major factor here, which is why the name shouldn't change. As for possible confusion with other similarly-named revolutions, the top of the article links to Revolution of Dignity (disambiguation) for clarity. — Czello 19:07, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

What was the tally of media outlets who began calling it that and how did that change over time? Just curious if it was a term popular back in 2014 or in later years. LichCake (talk) 01:21, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

 Administrator note: I've restored the move template: it was not appropriate for an involved participant to shut down the discussion. This is not a rehash of the previous discussion, new arguments have been presented. If you would like to propose a moratorium on new move requests then please do so; there being no such moratorium as far as I can tell, this discussion proceeds. Ivanvector (/_Edits) 18:54, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! TankDude2000 (talk) 19:14, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Also, my comment is not an endorsement of the request. If I have an opinion I will comment later. Ivanvector (/_Edits) 19:22, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

• Close nothing has changed since the last RM—blindlynx 18:06, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
• Close had an RM less than a month ago and nothing has changed since then. – Treetoes023 (talk) 05:54, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Better title

Requested move 16 April 2023

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Revolution of Dignity → Ukrainian Revolution of Dignity – As the Syrian and Yemeni revolutions now have “Dignity” in their titles, I suggest we add “Ukrainian” in this page’s title to distinguish itself from the other Revolutions of Dignity. TankDude2000 (talk) 06:26, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

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