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== "an" before "h" == |
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Hello! I see you're editing 'an's before 'H' words. Just a reminder that if the H is not silent, it is just 'a' not 'an'. Your edits at ] for the word "hostage" are in error, because "hostage" has a non-silent consonant. ] (]) 21:29, 22 January 2023 (UTC) |
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:{{tps}} {{ping|Leitmotiv}} The form of indefinite article is governed by the displayed text, not by the invisible wikilinked text. It's "an FBI...", not "a FBI...". –] (]) 21:42, 22 January 2023 (UTC) |
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::Missed that! thanks ] (]) 22:16, 22 January 2023 (UTC) |
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== 3rd opinion == |
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With this I notify you that I mentioned our dispute at the "3O". ]. ] (]) 21:13, 31 January 2023 (UTC) |
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== Explain to me on talk page == |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Golden_Horde |
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The 2016 is only a hypothesis and it says " Considering the historical, archaeological, physical anthropological, and molecular archaeological evidence obtained, it seems'' most likely that the Tavan Tolgoi bodies are members of Genghis Khan’s Golden family, including the lineage of bekis, Genghis Khan’s female lineage, and their female successors who controlled Eastern Mongolia in the early Mongolian era instead of'' guregens of the Ongud clan, or the lineage of khans, Genghis Khan’s male lineage, who married females of the Hongirad clan, including Genghis Khan’s grandmother, mother, chief wife, and some daughters-in-law. " |
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The author even suggest that it is the female lineage of Genghis Khan that is related to Tavan Tolgoi. ] (]) 20:46, 26 February 2023 (UTC) |
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Your not making any sense to me. You said " '''Unnecessary edit, study specifically states:''' "it seems most likely that the Tavan Tolgoi bodies are members of Genghis Khan’s Golden family, including the lineage of bekis, Genghis Khan’s female lineage, and their female successors who controlled Eastern Mongolia in the early Mongolian era ***instead of guregens of the Ongud clan***, or the lineage of khans, Genghis Khan’s male lineage, who married females of the Hongirad clan" |
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How is this unnecessary when the way you edited makes not mention of the Tavan Tolgoi bodies were possibly only maternally related to the female lineage of Genghis Khan family.] (]) 21:36, 26 February 2023 (UTC) |
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== I had replied == |
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Reply back. The way you edited make no mention that the study also claims that it is only maternally related to Genghis Khan, not paternal. You claiming Golden Horde and Golden family R1b being Genghis Khan related? Your basically making a bold claim that the Khans were R1b. Also let me remind you Batu Khan founder of Golden Horde, was suspected by Genghis Khan not to be his child, but of other men when Borte was help captive. |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Golden_Horde ] (]) 22:35, 26 February 2023 (UTC) |
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I suggest you reply ] talk page. You reverted the fake source. It says light colered, not red. Since when is it officially confirmed that Odegei Khan have red hair when there isn't a physical description of him with red hair. You used secondary language blog as a source and from Rashid al Din to claim he has red hair but those are unreliable as everyone knows.] (]) 23:04, 26 February 2023 (UTC) |
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== Warning: 3rr rule == |
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== Native Americans obvious west eurasian admixture Y-DNA R and mtDNA X == |
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Who ever edited the page wants to remove all west eurasian admixture of Native American. The Native Americans have the highest percentage of ANE, Ancient North Eurasian |
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R1b in Native Americans are no doubt related with West Eurasian or Mal'ta boy ANE a component that isn't even west eurasian (or is it mixed?) |
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Haplogroup X (mtDNA) Haplogroup X is a human mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) haplogroup. It is found in America, Europe, Western Asia, North Africa, and the Horn of Africa. |
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It is found in ] , his mtDNA is X |
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'''WHY IS THIS REMOVED?''' |
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A 2013 study in '']'' reported that DNA found in the 24,000-year-old remains of a young boy from the ] suggest that up to one-third of Indigenous Americans' ancestry can be traced back to ], who may have "had a more north-easterly distribution 24,000 years ago than commonly thought"<ref name="Raghavan et al 2014"/> "We estimate that 14 to 38 percent of Indigenous American ancestry may originate through gene flow from this ancient population," the authors wrote. Professor Kelly Graf said, |
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<blockquote>"Our findings are significant at two levels. First, it shows that ] came from a cosmopolitan population of ] to Europe and Central and South Asia. Second, skeletons like ] with phenotypic traits atypical of modern-day Indigenous Americans can be explained as having a direct historical connection to Upper Paleolithic Siberia."<ref name="Raghavan et al 2014">{{cite journal |display-authors=3 |last1=Raghavan |first1=Maanasa |last2=Skoglund |first2=Pontus |last3=Graf |first3=Kelly E. |last4=Metspalu |first4=Mait |last5=Albrechtsen |first5=Anders |last6=Moltke |first6=Ida |last7=Rasmussen |first7=Simon |last8=Stafford Jr |first8=Thomas W. |last9=Orlando |first9=Ludovic |last10=Metspalu |first10=Ene |last11=Karmin |first11=Monika |last12=Tambets |first12=Kristiina |last13=Rootsi |first13=Siiri |last14=Mägi |first14=Reedik |last15=Campos |first15=Paula F. |last16=Balanovska |first16=Elena |last17=Balanovsky |first17=Oleg |last18=Khusnutdinova |first18=Elza |last19=Litvinov |first19=Sergey |last20=Osipova |first20=Ludmila P. |last21=Fedorova |first21=Sardana A. |last22=Voevoda |first22=Mikhail I. |last23=DeGiorgio |first23=Michael |last24=Sicheritz-Ponten |first24=Thomas |last25=Brunak |first25=Søren |last26=Demeshchenko |first26=Svetlana |last27=Kivisild |first27=Toomas |last28=Villems |first28=Richard |last29=Nielsen |first29=Rasmus |last30=Jakobsson |first30=Mattias |last31=Willerslev |first31=Eske |title=Upper Palaeolithic Siberian genome reveals dual ancestry of Native Americans |journal=Nature |date=January 2014 |volume=505 |issue=7481 |pages=87–91 |doi=10.1038/nature12736 |pmid=24256729 |pmc=4105016 |bibcode=2014Natur.505...87R}}</ref></blockquote>] (]) 13:35, 16 April 2023 (UTC) |
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:{{Ping|Gemmaso}} it was removed because it is original research. It was placed in the "Haplogroup R1" sub-section, implying that R1 in Native Americans is from ANE. Every source in the article that contemplates the origin of R1 in Native Americans says that it is most likely of post-1492 origin. |
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:Haplogroup X2a in Native Americans is not of European origin and hasn't been found anywhere in Eurasia, but is most closely related to South Siberian X lineages. The fact that Europeans have other mutations of X doesn't make Native Americans related to them. - ] (]) 13:45, 16 April 2023 (UTC) |
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::https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/131120-science-native-american-people-migration-siberia-genetics |
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::" Nearly one-third of Native American genes come from west Eurasian peoples with ties to the Middle East and Europe" |
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:::'''Every source in the article that contemplates the origin of R1 in Native Americans says that it is most likely of post-1492 origin''' |
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::According to what source and how is that possible. If R1b in Native American came post -1492 origin, how is it that nearly 92-98% of Native Americans west eurasian lineage are R1b, with nearly no other west eurasian y-dna haplogroups. How can R1b be so high? ] (]) 14:01, 16 April 2023 (UTC) |
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