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Hi, how is the edit I put about R.S Sharma on the Kamboja wiki plagiarism. I quoted her words but didn't pass them off as my own. Trigarta (talk) 00:05, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't realize that was your intention. If you're gonna quote her (or someone else for that matter), you have to write the exact quote (not even slightly change it), and put it in quotation marks. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:06, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

no problem Trigarta (talk) 00:15, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

How come the removal of this passage? It was well sourced and relates to the previous Assakenian section which is a crucial part of the history.

'Acording to Arrian(IV.24.6–25, 4), the Aśvaka followed a scorched Earth policy and describes an event during Alexander the Greats invasion, Then crossing the mountains Alexander descended to a city called Arigaeum, and found that this had been set on fire by the inhabitants, who had afterwards fled. Quintus Curtius Rufus(VIII.10.23–9) vivdly describes the moment Alexander the Great was wounded in the calf by an Assacani arrow during a scouting operation of the city of Masaga. When the battle of Masaga commenced, the Assacani gained a reputation for their women fighting side by side with their husbands in what was a last stand for survival' Trigarta (talk) 13:38, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Did you even read my edit summary? --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:40, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

your reasoning was in reference to Lamotte whereas the source in reference to Arrian and Q.Curtius was by Baij Nath Puri UNESCO and János Harmatta Trigarta (talk) 13:44, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Lamotte does not treat it as a fact, he suggests it as a theory. The UNESCO source you used simply quotes Arrian and Q. Curtius, however, neither of those two historians actually mention the Kambojas, they mention the Assakenoi, who in the UNESCO source are ironically treated as a separate people from the Kambojas, i.e. the UNESCO source mentions both groups, but not as one group. In other words, you went on to treat a theory as a fact, and by using a source which don't even support the theory a that. Moreover, this theory is on the realm of WP:UNDUE, I could easily name various sources that do not consider the Kambojas to be the same as the Assakenoi. And no, a source doesn't have to directly say Assakenoi =/= Kambojas for it to mean that they don't consider that theory to be valid, that's not how books are written. If a book talks about the Kambojas, and don't mention the events of Alexander (or vice versa), then they obviously do not consider the Kambojas and Assakenoi to be the same. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:49, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Also filling an article with quotes because you don't want to rewrite the sentences is not an improvement. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:51, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Quoting Diodorus would be better since its a long quote (avoids clutter) Trigarta (talk) 13:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

I never claimed they were Kambojas in that edit, only Assakenian as its relevant to the previous section in reference to them Trigarta (talk) 13:51, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Assumptions on what is not stated would be Misplaced Pages:Verifiability which states 'Its content is determined by prev published info rather than editors beliefs, opinions or experiences' so simply stating they believe they're not same due to no mention would be going against Wikipedias rule Trigarta (talk) 13:57, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

It's not just Diodorus, you quote a lot of stuff, and when you do rewrite it, it's often different from the sourced material. You are contradicting yourself. If the Kambojas are not the Assakenoi then why is it relevant to have the whole history or at least a major part of their history in the Kambojas article? Also, I did not understand a word of your Misplaced Pages:Verifiability comment. Anyhow, my points above still stand. Please cease this, read WP:CIR too. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:58, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

You stated 'if a book talks about the Kambojas, and don't mention the events of Alexander (or vice versa), then they obviously do not consider the Kambojas and Assakenoi to be the same' which goes against wikiepedias rule on Misplaced Pages:Verifiability which states that 'Its content is determined by prev published info rather than editors beliefs, opinions or experiences', so simply stating they believe Kambojas and Assakanoi are not same due to no mention would be going against Wikipedias rule.

Please add your opposite view point in Kambojas not being Assakenois and follow Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view which states that 'if a reliable source disagrees then maintain a Neutral point of view and present what the VARIOUS sources say giving EACH SIDE its due weight'. Simply removing them due to your own opinions, inferences and evidence is not allowed. Provide both sides.

Also I will rewrite them then. No issue Trigarta (talk) 14:08, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

That's not what Misplaced Pages:Verifiability means... you are clearly misinterpretating. Want sources? Check the sources in the Bibliography. Zero mention of the Assakenoi being the Kambojas, zero mention of the Kambojas fighting Alexander. The most recent major source for the Kambojas doesn't mention it either . I think you should leave this article alone till you have learned of our guidelines and how to write articles, see how WP:GA articles are written for example. I feel like I have been more than enough patient, you aren't exactly a brand new user either, you have been heavily editing since January. If you continue this pattern, I will report you to WP:ANI for lack of WP:CIR and whatnot. Also, I assume the articles you have heavily edited (History of Punjab, Punjab, Yaudheya) have received the same treatment that Kambojas did, one might ought to check that. Those edits should probably be reverted too. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:19, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

I ma sure I understand it well, as it describes it as it is, simply 'Its content is determined by prev published info rather than editors beliefs, opinions or experiences, in your case your belief that no mention = doesnt approve of theory/belief.

No problem, I will also be reporting you too Trigarta (talk) 14:23, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Ironically you're the one using your personal opinion by treating a theory as a fact, and then using WP:RS which contradicts that opinion to support it. Feel free to report me (WP:OUCH). --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:25, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

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Tariqa page

Naqshabandis have dual silsilat. One through Abu Bakr and one through Ali. I’m unsure why you won’t let me add this fact to the wiki on Tariqa. Bartleby12 (talk) 12:05, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Because you're altering sourced information. In Misplaced Pages we rely only WP:RS, not our personal opinions. See also WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:13, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

can you read arabic? Here is a scan of the silsila of Naqshabandi Sheikh Mehmet Effendi in arabic will you let me fix it now?

https://ibb.co/PYQFM7v Bartleby12 (talk) 12:37, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, but that's not how it works, a random picture isn't gonna suffice. Please see WP:RS. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:43, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

From ‘Rashahat ayn al-hayat’ by Ali Safi Kashifi.

https://ibb.co/L6Q8N11

https://ibb.co/QvCNs2q

now may I please correct the article? Bartleby12 (talk) 14:31, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Can you please read WP:RS and WP:VER? Where is the source even from? Who is Ali Safi Kashifi? --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:33, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Shahrokh page

What you do in shahrokh afshar page it was wrong information Suleiman never rulled to until 1796 Iranist00001 (talk) 17:25, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

You added Shahrokh as his own predecessor twice, which made no sense. The article is based on scholarly sources, you cant just change that. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:26, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

because its wrong

The first reigon exactly tell the time that shahrokh was ruled and not adel shah and for better understanding you can see it in his description

And again in secend reigon he was the ruler

And not suleiman

And even at 1796 shahrokh visited the agha mohammad khan qajar, Not suleiman

if you think it can make problem to article

Then tell me how we put instead of it

Maybe it better i prepare 3 reigon for article Iranist00001 (talk) 17:42, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't understand what you're saying. I think you're misunderstanding what the infobox is trying to display, it's not saying that Shahrokh didnt rule in 1796. Either way, we follow what WP:RS says, not our personal opinions. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:50, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

sorry are you persian? For better talking i say

Ok i make article in another way Iranist00001 (talk) 17:52, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

I am, but I cant read the Persian script. And can you please not change the article again without any WP:CONSENSUS? HistoryofIran (talk) 18:19, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

sure

I try my best Iranist00001 (talk) 18:29, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

oh man why??? That was true, that is shahrokh page and he ruled khorasan twice and soleiman II ruled betwin him

Why the predecessor is adel shah if even the adel wasn't before shahrokh and it was ebrahim afshar

Why 2 reign if there is 3? and how the hell Suleiman II ruled to 1796!!!

I think maybe you don't know about this Iranist00001 (talk) 20:08, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Can you please read the article? Then all your questions will be answered. Your edits make no sense, you added that Shahrokh was his own predecessor thrice? --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:10, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh relly sorry

I try my last chance hope you know what i wanna do, i'm not that person how distroy pages

These are my early edits and i'm amateur Iranist00001 (talk) 20:51, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@Iranist00001: Please don't try that again. The infobox is good, it's based on the article itself, which is fully sourced. It doesn't need to be changed. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:56, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Rudaki

On 27 March 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Rudaki, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Rudaki (portrait pictured) is acknowledged as the founder of New Persian poetry in Iran and the father of Tajik literature in Tajikistan? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Rudaki. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Rudaki), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Aoidh (talk) 00:02, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Don't give up with your work mate! Diyorbek Ikhtiyorov (talk) 20:44, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:48, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

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A favour regarding Iranian/Persian folktales

Hello, HistoryofIran. Considering your coverage of Iranian topics, I was wondering if you could help me in regards to Iranian/Persian folktales. As you can see by my edit history, I edit mostly articles about folktales, and even created pages about some Iranian folktales, like The Black Colt and Yasmin and the Serpent Prince.

If it is not too much bother, I would like to ask if you know where I can find folktales that follow the following narrative frame (for reference, see Animal as Bridegroom):

• 1. Girl/princess marries a supernatural husband in snake/serpent form (may be a horse in some tales);
• 2. Girl betrays husband (either burns his skin or tells his secret);
• 3. Girl goes after him with iron shoes/canes (the recurring number seems to be seven)
• 4. Girl finds her husband in his mother's house, and drops a ring in a jug of water to notify her husband.
• 5. Girl is forced by her mother-in-law on hard tasks (one of which may be to go to another house and take/deliver a box).
• 6. Girl escapes with husband.

I'm specifically looking for tales where the husband is in the shape of a horse, but he can be either a camel, a donkey or a sheep. I intend to create a separate article for its Iranian tales.

KHR FolkMyth (talk) 21:53, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello KHR FolkMyth. Thank you for your contributions, I am honoured that you ask me regarding this - unfortunately I am not really well versed in Iranian folktales. As for 2.; while this remains uncertain, some accounts state that Gordiya betrayed her husband Vistahm, though she killed him instead of burning his skin/telling his secret. Perhaps Iranica may be of help? It has a lot of articles about stories --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:44, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the help. As for Iranica, I did find there a summary by Trever of a Kurdish or Persian tale involving the Simurg. Will look into it. KHR FolkMyth (talk) 22:57, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, HistoryofIran. Here is the reason why I asked this favour: Grünkappe (Iranian folktale). KHR FolkMyth (talk) 19:11, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

I see. I'll let you know if I find something useful. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:11, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Asking about copyrights

hello, asking this to you because I don't know where to check this information, if you'll help me in this I'll appreciate that. Is it allowed to take some parts of already written sourced sentences in wikipedia and use it in another related wikipedia article ? LexaneAlex (talk) 15:03, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Copying info from one wiki article to another? Yes. Though you need at least to state in ur edit summary that u did that. I can expand my comment when I get home. HistoryofIran (talk) 18:24, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm home now. You could write something like this in your edit summary when adding copied content; "copied content from page name; see that page's history for attribution". See WP:COPYWITHIN for more info. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:06, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Unsourced revertions

In the article British Raj, you reverted the edits without even thinking twice. The caption must match what the map title says too. And in the discussion Fowler&Fowler failed to prove or provide any sources stating that British Raj referred to country's territory too. While I've provided sources from the Imperial Gazetteer of India and the Interpretations Act 1889 of the UK Parliament. In the discussion what I did fail to provide was any sources explicitly stating that "Indian Empire was the official name of India between 1858 and 1947". It isn't POV pushing, its building an accurate Encyclopedia using "reliable sources". Would you care to provide one stating that "British Raj referred to country's territory too". Not your own WP:OR.

PadFoot2008 (talk) 11:31, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Take it to the ongoing ANI thread please. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:33, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Animation

Hello, please take a look at the animation page, there is a problem. I wanted to add the goblet which Oxford University mentions as the oldest animation in the world. So there was a lot of discussion, I think you can help to solve this problem. thank you

1. Foltz, Richard C. (2016). Iran in World History. Oxford University Press. p. 6. ISBN 9780199335503.

Mitrayasna (talk) 10:44, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, but this is not my field. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:35, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

About user User:TimothyBlue

Hello again, thank you for help in previous topic. This time I want to report on this user because the only thing he did is about deleting already sourced information from page List of wars involving Armenia. I know that this article already violates many rules of Misplaced Pages, but he is putting "CN" to every section, even to wars that have their main article with same information LexaneAlex (talk) 12:45, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

TimothyBlue's edits seem pretty reasonable - in fact, I would say that they're being very nice with them. They could very well remove them with good reason. Point your mouse at the "" stuff, more info will pop up, in which they explained their reasoning(s) there. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:35, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

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Sary or Sari

The name of the center of Mazandaran province has been Sary since the distant past, which unfortunately has been changed to Sari due to repeated misuse by users on various websites and information sources. This problem has been observed on various sites including Misplaced Pages and Google and the current maps published by them. By referring to the available official documents, including the names registered in official organizations, including the International Aviation Agency, IATA, and old official maps and available official documents, it proves that the name Sary is correct. Therefore, it is necessary for databases and search engines to correct it. نامگذاری مرکز استان مازندران از گذشته های دور ساری بوده است که متاسفانه با استفاده غلط مکرر کاربران در سایت ها و منابع اطلاعاتی مختلف به ساری تغییر یافته است. این مشکل در سایتهای مختلف از جمله ویکیپدیا و همچنین گوگل و نقشه های جاری رایه شده توسط آنان نیز مشاهده گردیده است. با رجوع مستندات رسمی موجود از جمله اسامی ثبت شده در سازمان های رسمی از جمله آژانس بین المللی هوایی یاتا و نقشه های رسمی قدیمی و مستندات رسمی موجود، درست بودن نام ساری با این صورت را اثبات می کند. لذا لازم است پایگاه های اطلاعاتی و موتورهای جستجو نسبت به اصلاح آن اقدام نمایند.

با سپاس رضا حبیبی ساروی Drhabibisaravi (talk) 12:57, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

@Drhabibisaravi: I'm sorry, but it's not. Please see WP:COMMON NAME and WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:04, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

You deserve this!

		Scholarly Barnstar
		In recognition of your contributions to Persia-related articles based on high-quality academic sources. Nashville whiz (talk) 10:56, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Nashville whiz. I'm happy to be of help 😁. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:02, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

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Sock of Mujhideen101 with new user account theresistancecontinues

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Afghan–Sikh_Wars&diff=prev&oldid=1151475547 is same as the edits on Battle of Jamrud by IP 2a04.. and sock account Khenj. Rivanawam (talk) 12:47, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

I see. And whose sock are you? --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:03, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Greetings. Not a sock but have been editing without an account with IP range such as 2405:201:1F:716A:4DD0:71BB:90BF:4B8A but my changes were getting reverted considering a non-account user just here to create disruption. That is why I finally created account to be a confirmed official user, to be taken seriously. Hope it works. :) Rivanawam (talk) 14:47, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Alright, I choose to have some WP:GF here. And thus I apologize for my comment, and hope you will feel welcome and content here. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:49, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

让我们在这里谈谈

You don't seem to know anything about Iranian history. I specialize in Chinese history and am studying overseas history as well. Did you know that the Chinese people were under the rule of the Mongols and were deprived of their right to the first night? Learn about Lamaism in the Mongol Empire.