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Should it be moved to "Transnational repression"?

1.Most sources are using and talking about "Transnational repression" but they are written here as "Transnational authoritarianism" , for example:It is "Typology of Transnational Repression" by the source, but here "Typology of transnational authoritarianism". Is that go against Misplaced Pages:No original research and Misplaced Pages:Verifiability? Or "Transnational repression" ="Transnational authoritarianism" ?

2.And could any one give the quote to "A number of actors; principally countries governed by authoritarian states are known to engage in transnational repression of dissident and diaspora communities abroad including but not limited to: China, Saudi Arabia, Rwanda, Turkey and Iran. " and "A range of states engage in these actions, from Russian assassinations to forced disappearances of Chinese and Hong Kong citizens abroad. Freedom House details the extensive use of transnational authoritarianism by a rising number of countries across the world."? I cannot find it, so I think it may be "Synthesis of published material": A. These countries are authoritarian states + B.These countries have transnational repression → C. These countries are transnational authoritarianism.

3. About Edward Snowden, he is forced to in exile in russia(From Snowden’s perspective, the U.S. government is seeking his return for the purpose of persecuting him), so is he under the transnational repression from U.S. government? If not, why? MINQI (talk) 19:33, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

RfC: 3 Question about the Page "Transnational authoritarianism"

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Before what I have done (as the version at 20:41, 20 April 2023‎ ),there are two main Problems about the Page "Transnational authoritarianism":

1.Most sources are using and talking about "Transnational repression" but they are written here as "Transnational authoritarianism" , for example:It is "Typology of Transnational Repression" by the source, but here "Typology of transnational authoritarianism". Is that go against Misplaced Pages:No original research and Misplaced Pages:Verifiability? Or "Transnational repression" ="Transnational authoritarianism" ?

2.I can not find the quote to "A number of actors; principally countries governed by authoritarian states are known to engage in transnational repression of dissident and diaspora communities abroad including but not limited to: China, Saudi Arabia, Rwanda, Turkey and Iran. " and "A range of states engage in these actions, from Russian assassinations to forced disappearances of Chinese and Hong Kong citizens abroad. Freedom House details the extensive use of transnational authoritarianism by a rising number of countries across the world.". Are these "Synthesis of published material": A. These countries are authoritarian states + B.These countries have transnational repression → C. These countries are transnational authoritarianism?

Since most sources used "transnational repression", should it be moved from "Transnational authoritarianism" to "Transnational Repression"? And take "Transnational authoritarianism" as a subset of "Transnational Repression", because transnational authoritarianism is "an authoritarian state repress one or more existing or potential members of its emigrant or diaspora communities". The essence of transnational authoritarian is transnational repression.

PS:I am still want to know about the definition of the situation of Edward Snowden. He is forced to in exile in russia("From Snowden’s perspective, the U.S. government is seeking his return for the purpose of persecuting him..".;“We have forced him effectively into exile ...”), so is he under the transnational repression from U.S. government? If not, why? MINQI (talk) 08:59, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Response:

1. I think "Transnational repression" and "Transnational authoritarianism" are synonymous enough to be identical in meaning There is no Misplaced Pages:No original research issue
2. Regarding the second issue, all five of the governments you mention above are mentioned in the secondary source that is referenced. There is no synthesis of published material; the sentence is an accurate description of what is being described in the secondary source
3. Regarding the renaming of the article from "Transnational authoritarianism" to "Transnational repression", I have no objections to an alteration of the article name in that way.
4. Re: Snowden, to my knowledge the US government hasn't attempted "including assassinations, unlawful deportations, detentions, renditions, physical and digital threats, and coercion by proxy" against him while he resides in Russia. If you have reliable sources to show any of the above, it may be appropriate to add them to the article. (Personally I doubt you'll find any)
5. I am going to revert your most recent edit because it has deleted content from the page without proper justification.

Jack4576 (talk) 09:43, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

1.If "Transnational repression" ＝ "Transnational authoritarianism", is that mean "repression"="authoritarianism"? Some democratic countries also used state repression, so can a democratic country be an authoritarian state too at the same time? It seems to comes to a shortage of logicality.

2.Could you find the excat quote to them? Or it based on " 'Transnational repression' and 'Transnational authoritarianism' are synonymous"?

4. <Putin refuses US request to extradite Snowden>,<Putin: No grounds to extradite Snowden>. So US government has purposed to the detentions and renditions for him, am I right?

5. You can do it first, let us edit after the end of this talk. MINQI (talk) 10:16, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

1. Yes, democratic states can have authoritarian tendencies. Many historical examples. Turkey is a democracy
2. Each country is presented throughout the piece, by name, as involved in repression activities
3. ...
4. Extradition / detention requests for the purpose of domestic detention, is different to attempting to detain someone while they are in another country. Countries mentioned in this report have a track record of illegally attempting detainment abroad
5. I've completed the reversion, and will keep an eye on this page

Jack4576 (talk) 10:40, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

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