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:::And I am saying that consistency should be applied to all countries, not to some or what you think that should have its own section because you think that crime excels there, I mentioned Italy because it had its own situation also a few days ago. Yet don′t see any mentioning there. Also I don′t think that your cherry picking of the certain sources which mention corruption is a strong argument here, comparing to other crimes. Example murder rate by is 1.02 per 100 000 people which is still very low comparing to USA with 6.52, Russia 7.33, France 1.33, Brazil 22.45 or even Sweden with 1.23, etc. ] (]) 15:34, 14 May 2023 (UTC) :::And I am saying that consistency should be applied to all countries, not to some or what you think that should have its own section because you think that crime excels there, I mentioned Italy because it had its own situation also a few days ago. Yet don′t see any mentioning there. Also I don′t think that your cherry picking of the certain sources which mention corruption is a strong argument here, comparing to other crimes. Example murder rate by is 1.02 per 100 000 people which is still very low comparing to USA with 6.52, Russia 7.33, France 1.33, Brazil 22.45 or even Sweden with 1.23, etc. ] (]) 15:34, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
::::How is mentioning Serbia's high rate of organized crime "cherry picking"? You could argue you just did that by selecting a specific crime that Serbia doesn't have a high rate in, ignoring all other crimes. It seems very odd to oppose a link added even to the relevant section, this is Misplaced Pages, not a Serbian tourism site where "negative" information cannot be presented. For even a link to be ] Serbian crime would have to be virtually uncovered by reliable sources, which it very much is not. If you are just going to keep talking about other countries, it might be better to start an RfC for further input. ] (]) 17:15, 14 May 2023 (UTC) ::::How is mentioning Serbia's high rate of organized crime "cherry picking"? You could argue you just did that by selecting a specific crime that Serbia doesn't have a high rate in, ignoring all other crimes. It seems very odd to oppose a link added even to the relevant section, this is Misplaced Pages, not a Serbian tourism site where "negative" information cannot be presented. For even a link to be ] Serbian crime would have to be virtually uncovered by reliable sources, which it very much is not. If you are just going to keep talking about other countries, it might be better to start an RfC for further input. ] (]) 17:15, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
:::::Because you mentioned corruption, and I showed you there is much more to a crime than just corruption. I also said that if you wish to put it on this page, you should also put it on other pages as well, balance it. I mentioned that 3 times already, otherwise you are giving a false weight to an article that crime in Serbia is something way more common than in other countries, which is not. ] (]) 17:22, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

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Add a wiki link to United Nations General Assembly Resolution ES-11/1 in the last paragraph of "Foreign relations". 93.72.49.123 (talk) 14:57, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

 Done M.Bitton (talk) 15:12, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

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Why is the map so blurry? 165.234.101.99 (talk) 14:23, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Because it's a low resolution raster image, when it should be an svg.—Alalch E. 12:12, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

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In one of the paragraphs it says that serbia was given independence on 5 June 2006 when infact they were given independence on 4 June 2006 BosnianHelper (talk) 23:47, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 23:51, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Crime

@Theonewithreason I don't see how adding a link to Crime in Serbia is an "assertion", that Serbia has crime is a fact, as you likely know the country recently had two mass shootings within days of each other. As for your examples, Crime in the United States is linked on United States, in fact it has its own section on the article. On the United Kingdom article crime is also mentioned and a statistical article on it is linked. Germany as well covers crime. Serbia and Russia despite having notable instances of crime for whatever reason has almost no information on it. I added it as a link because it might actually be WP:UNDUE to create a crime section, but I don't think a link in the "see also" section is remotely undue. TylerBurden (talk) 12:31, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Italy also had tragic situation today, but the crime section is not a part of Italy article, that means that certain balance should be applied for all countries, as for your comment about Serbia having notable instances of crime, comparing to above mentioned countries, is not on that level, actually those events are not common in Balkan region. Theonewithreason (talk) 14:06, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
@Theonewithreason I don't think whataboutism is a strong argument here, we are talking about Serbia now, not Italy or other countries whose issues should be solved on their respective talk pages. Crime in Serbia is not an anomaly, nor is its coverage. For example, its organized crime rates are considered high, ranking 33rd in the Global Organised Crime Index for 2021 according to this source with issues including corruption and human trafficking. I just noticed that the article has a "Law and criminal justice" section, the natural thing to do would be adding the link there. TylerBurden (talk) 14:56, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
And I am saying that consistency should be applied to all countries, not to some or what you think that should have its own section because you think that crime excels there, I mentioned Italy because it had its own situation also a few days ago. Yet don′t see any mentioning there. Also I don′t think that your cherry picking of the certain sources which mention corruption is a strong argument here, comparing to other crimes. Example murder rate by this source is 1.02 per 100 000 people which is still very low comparing to USA with 6.52, Russia 7.33, France 1.33, Brazil 22.45 or even Sweden with 1.23, etc. Theonewithreason (talk) 15:34, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
How is mentioning Serbia's high rate of organized crime "cherry picking"? You could argue you just did that by selecting a specific crime that Serbia doesn't have a high rate in, ignoring all other crimes. It seems very odd to oppose a link added even to the relevant section, this is Misplaced Pages, not a Serbian tourism site where "negative" information cannot be presented. For even a link to be WP:UNDUE Serbian crime would have to be virtually uncovered by reliable sources, which it very much is not. If you are just going to keep talking about other countries, it might be better to start an RfC for further input. TylerBurden (talk) 17:15, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Because you mentioned corruption, and I showed you there is much more to a crime than just corruption. I also said that if you wish to put it on this page, you should also put it on other pages as well, balance it. I mentioned that 3 times already, otherwise you are giving a false weight to an article that crime in Serbia is something way more common than in other countries, which is not. Theonewithreason (talk) 17:22, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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