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Who r u, which note — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.145.87.136 (talk) 01:03, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Removing of RS

For the new account, here is a link to WP:RS, also here is a link to a source you are removing ] which is a open access and easy to read what is says, please do not remove it.Theonewithreason (talk) 16:34, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello and thank you for the information. I have of course read the source cited in the article before I did any changes to the article, which is why I decided to edit it. I also read the WP:RS main article after you posted it, before the second edit. I have seen other wiki pages with internet sites as references in them, so decided to go forward with the edit. I will look into the Talk section of WP:RS to see how to approach the problem in general, since Im new here. Im not going to get hung up on one sentence in a huge article, but I do want to check how these things work.

The source you have given does come from a respected historian (Crampton), but it is outdated, from almost 30 years ago, and the referenced text of his book (page 16) is merely a surface level side remark about the population in Montenegro. It is not referenced by any historical source, and thats because that chapter of text and the book is not even remotely about Montenegrin demographics. Hell, that remark may probably even be based on the old false information about the 1909. census, that there were 90% "Orthodox Serbs" in Montenegro. This was widely believed in the 90ies, when the book was published, and was only years later debunked. In reality, the 1909. census was religious, the results were that 90% of Montenegro was of the Orthodox denomination, and there was no census on nationality or ethnicity until way later.

Furthermore, the sentence in the article itself is false. While the Serb nationality was present in Montenegro by the end of the XIX, it was certainly not prevalent during the entire early modern period (16th - 19th Century), as the link I provided below proves. Even Vuk Karadzić, who considers most of the South Slav people to be Serbs, states that "Serbs" (Slavs) who arent Eastern Orthodox don't call themselves Serbs - Srbi svi i svuda (written during the 19th century -1849).

The source I have given is not an author POV opinion article, as per WP:RS. It is a collection of texts and facsimiles directly from historical documents and each of them is denoted where it comes from. Im able to track down most of them in history books and published documents, if needed as a reference in the article (author, book name, page), but some of them probably arent digital uploads. This site has all of them listed and collected.

Additionally, the source I submitted also has digitally scanned pages of 2 historical documents referencing my edit, which is the same method of access used for the Crampton book you mentioned, just not the whole historical text.

Finally, my point is this: how do I do perform the edit according to the edit rules of Misplaced Pages? Is it OK to reference them in books and articles if the books arent uploaded online? Erasmus2001 (talk) 21:18, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

The main problem of the portal you gave is mostly highly opinionated interpretation of authors on this specific internet page. Second problem is that through this page is impossible to find which books and sources are cited, therefore we don′t know do sources actually exist or do they actually say what authors of internet page are claiming. that is why internet portals are not considered reliable source. You should find books, sources with possibility of WP:V so that it can be visible to anyone who wants to read them. Just like Crampton. Thank you.Theonewithreason (talk) 21:29, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

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