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May 26

Nagano attack

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Family27390 (talk · give credit) and Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: In a rare incident for the country, four people were killed by the alleged son of a local city councilman in Nagano, Japan. It's received notable international coverage - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 01:21, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support Unless something has gone seriously under the radar, this is the first mass shooting in Japan. Very sad, unfortunately makes it very notable. Article is short but fine. Kingsif (talk) 01:26, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. It's received primary international coverage, which does not confer notability. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 01:27, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

• It's just happened, what else kind of news coverage is it going to have. ITN doesn't care if the newspapers have had some time to think about how important it is to cover an event, we take editor opinion on that as long as reliable sources have been established... if "the news is contemporary to the event" was a good reason for !oppose, nothing would get posted on here ever. Kingsif (talk) 01:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

  Well then ITN is out of step with WP:N, and the latter takes precedence. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 01:36, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

  If your argument is that the article does not pass GNG, you should take it to AfD. But it isn't an ITN argument, and N is not relevant to discussion here. Kingsif (talk) 01:40, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

  Articles also have to pass NEVENT, and that makes the issue if we're only getting a burst of coverage, then we shouldn't have an article on it. That's 100% a reason to oppose at ITN. Masem (t) 03:23, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

  It really isn't - this is getting off-topic, but I think it was a little irresponsible for you to mention NEVENT as a good reason to !oppose, as we can see it has already cropped up in !votes below even when the comments don't relate to the guideline (one being 'per others' and the other being classic OTHERSTUFF). I doubt "oppose per NEVENT" will catch on, but at ITN, if a bold article's existence is uncontested, we assume notability. If there are questions about the article existing, that is categorically not what ITN deals with, absolutely not a reason to !oppose - go speedy or AfD and the article can't be on the main page anyway, of course. Whether the news item is suitable for the box, a non-N kind of notable, is something to have an opinion on. But "I don't think the event is important enough for MP" (valid argument, and one that is clearly dominant in this discussion) isn't the same as "don't put it on MP because I don't think there will be future coverage". An unwritten "please do not" there I think. Kingsif (talk) 21:27, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support after expansion. Fairly shocked from this incident. However, it could be slightly expanded more before it is posted. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 02:03, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Domestic violence, no evidence of international terrorism nor a scope to put it any more significant than other domestic violence crimes in other countries. --Masem (t) 03:24, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality Article as of now consists of only a few short paragraphs, will change my nom to Support once article has been reworked to a better quality. TomcatEnthusiast1986 (talk) 03:33, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support in principle The death of the two police officers by shooting is what pushes this over the edge for me, rather than just a typical random act of violence (especially considering this Insider report from just a few weeks ago). As stated above, though, article needs work before it is mainpage ready. Curbon7 (talk) 04:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:NEVENT. There's plenty of outrageous events in the news like this. For example, a car rammed the gates of Downing Street in London yesterday, generating front page news. On the front page of the NYT this morning, there's an account of a woman being pushed into the path of a subway train. And so it goes. This is valid news but we're an encyclopedia and so should be covering such topics at a broader level, not reporting each incident. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:11, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose We apply a consistent standard for posting mass-shootings, that being of stand-out factors (racial/terror/other notable motivation/factors for the attack; higher number of deaths; and the place where it took place (commonplace or not)). I don't see the first two being fulfilled here and neither do I think the place alone makes it notable. Gotitbro (talk) 09:42, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Weak support Article needs way more work, but the fact that this is a gun-related incident in Japan is very remarkable. Japan basically has very little to no gun violence, the last notable shooting that most of us remember is probably the assassination of Shinzo Abe back in July 2022. Strong support in principle, but due to the current state of the article and the quality, my support will be weak for now. Once article is expanded, consider my support. TwistedAxe 11:06, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per all above and NEVENTS. I've also removed an inappropriate updater name. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 12:03, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose – Article is currently not convincing me that this is suitable for posting. Currently, the aftermath section only talks about Twitter users calling it an "unforgivable crime." The "Incident" section is a bit confusing and it is possible that Masamichi Aoki is not as involved as they currently appear. Needs work at the very least. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - Though unusual for Japan, this isn't important enough for ITN. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 14:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - domestic violence isnt typically something that would be featured on the front page of Misplaced Pages. nableezy - 14:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• For the time being, oppose I want to see how the events after this play out before. This, along with the still fairly recent killing of Shinzo Abe, may be enough to spark a conversation in Japan about firearms. If it doesn't, I'd oppose. As of now, there's nothing stating I should oppose, but if there becomes a national conversation with guns, I'd support. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 15:01, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - Just as there are shootings in countries which have many shootings which nonetheless reach a level where we put them on ITN, there are shootings in countries where they are rare which nonetheless do not rise above the general level of crime reporting and should not be put on ITN. This case, though tragic, is one such. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:50, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support seems strange to see Americans opposing this mass killing, when they routinely support the regular mass shootings in the US. Multiple killings in any country not at war is unusual unless it's the United States, so this is definitely newsworthy. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 23:32, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

  Because its domestic violence and not all that massive? Seems strange you support this and oppose ones with 10x the coverage. nableezy - 23:41, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

  I support newsworthy items which might be in an encyclopedia in a hundred years time. Mass killings in just about any country other than Amurica are almost, by default, worthy. Your parochial little "one mass shooting every day" country is a disaster and shouldn't be ever used as a context for literally anything other than exactly how life shouldn't be. What an embarrassment. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 00:00, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

  And just a quick question: while we have, on average, 1.5 mass shootings per day in the United States, where do any of them become relevant? Is it "the second biggest shooting in Texas on a Tuesday"? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 00:02, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

May 25

RD: Joy McKean

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Australian country music singer-songwriter and wife and manager of Slim Dusty. Known as the Queen of Australian country music. Thriley (talk) 13:01, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support Well-cited article, looks ready. TwistedAxe 23:37, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

(Ready) RD: Jerry Krause (basketball, born 1936)

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support Could have sworn he was already dead, but that was Jerry Krause (basketball, born 1939). Anyway, this article is in fine shape. Teemu08 (talk) 22:12, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article looks ready. TwistedAxe 11:01, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

RD: Javier Álvarez (composer)

• Nominated by Moscow Mule (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Avant-garde Mexican composer. Updated and refs well under way. Moscow Mule (talk) 20:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support Looks ready. TwistedAxe 23:36, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Typhoon Mawar

• Nominated by Interstellarity (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Most intense typhoon of 2023. Interstellarity (talk) 17:31, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

• Wait. Full impacts are not yet known. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:00, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose for now. I say wait until the typhoon dissipates as the Mariana Islands and Guam aren't the only areas that are expected to be affected. Moreover, the total damages aren't known yet and no fatalities are reported. Additionally, to your comment "Most intense typhoon of 2023", that is way too early to be said. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 23:04, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

  True but it d

  did reach 185 mph 1-minute sustained which is the new West Pacific record for May. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:01, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

• Wait. The typhoon is still ongoing and the damages currently known are very, very minimal. Plus, most of the typhoon's path has been situated within the ocean. I'm opposing if the damages are very minimal. TwistedAxe 23:39, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

RD: Karen Lumley

• Nominated by Fahads1982 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Former UK MP Karen Lumley Fahads1982 (talk) 12:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

• Weak support but more expansion would be great. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:19, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• support, Article is ok for ITN. Alex-h (talk) 19:40, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Weak oppose Article needs alot more work, it's barely past being a stub. Once expanded, I'll support. TwistedAxe 23:40, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

RD: Ahmad Kamal

• Nominated by Fahads1982 (talk · give credit)

 Fahads1982 (talk) 11:59, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is a stub, I've marked it out as such. Needs expansion and more sources & citation before it's ready. TwistedAxe 23:47, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

May 24

RD: Rolf Skår

• Updated and nominated by Oceanh (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Norwegian engineer and entrepreneur. Oceanh (talk) 07:26, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Upon reading the article I was about to mark it as a stub but realized it's a bit too long to be a stub. With that being said though, it's barely past being a stub and the article needs alot more work definitely alot more citations. Once expanded, consider my support. TwistedAxe 23:43, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

RD: Cotton Tree (Sierra Leone)

• Nominated by Gobonobo (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Pthompson (talk · give credit) and LouisOelofse (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Important national symbol of Sierra Leone, described as the country's "Eiffel Tower, Statue of Liberty, Big Ben" gobonobo 05:07, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Article seems of good quality? QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 17:24, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Support as a result - forgot to say lol QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 17:25, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support? Article seems fine, but can a tree count as a recent "death", or should this be a blurb? TheCorriynial (talk) 22:08, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

  Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism. Curbon7 (talk) 22:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support per above; article quality is very good. Therapyisgood (talk) 22:39, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Weak support Article is of good quality but could use more work and be expanded. I suppose it's ok for RD. TwistedAxe 23:44, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

RD: Norbaiti Isran Noor

• Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Former MP and governor's wife. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 00:43, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support Well-written article. TwistedAxe 23:45, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) Blurb/RD: Tina Turner

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• Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by BlizzySway (talk · give credit) and Emanormanny (talk · give credit)

• Support RD, Blurb? She might be on the level for a blurb. Worth seeing what others think. Although RD, wise article seems to be fine. TheCorriynial (talk) 18:53, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Blurb Not wanting to disregard Jim Brown's achievements, but Turner is way more notable and globally well-known. It would be a nonsense if he was blurbed and she was not. Black Kite (talk) 18:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Filmography is cited to IMDB. I'd be in favor of removing it altogether, because most of it is documentaries or cited in the prose. On balance, support RD neutral on blurb. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:59, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support Blurb Tina Turner was one the greatest singers of the 20th century, you don't get the nickname the "Queen of Rock & Roll" without a reason.--TheDutchViewer (talk) 19:01, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb One of the most recognizable singers of her time, certainly a transformative figure in her field. Her death is currently the top headline globally. Davey2116 (talk) 19:07, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support Blurb - just post. She was top field.BabbaQ (talk) 19:09, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support - Blurb blurb blurb, now now now! --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 19:12, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb, as we normally would with a reigning queen. BD2412 T 19:13, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb. Clearly meets the "transformative figure in their field" standard. Regards SoWhy 19:14, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support Blurb I'm usually neutral on blurbs, but a GA? That's an exception I'm willing to make. The main page should be a showcase for high quality articles, and here's one of those for an internationally significant entertainer that's pretty much ready to go up right now. There's some excellent sourcing in the article, apart from a few spaces (the filmography, namely), but they are minor aspects of a whole that I assume will be ironed out before this posts. Doc Strange Logbook 19:14, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support RD, weak oppose blurb — Article is in fine shape and the subject is obviously notable, but not for RD. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:15, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Blurb - obviously, and would support it being posted sooner than later too. nableezy - 19:15, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

  Seems kind of weird to call her former American Swiss naturalized in the blurb, maybe just drop the nationalities entirely? nableezy - 19:29, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

  She renounced her US citizenship, so it was accurate. Whether it still needs to be there is another question. Black Kite (talk) 19:38, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

  Oh Im not questioning the accuracy, it just feels stilted to write out in the blurb. If nationality has to be included, and I dont think it does as her Swiss naturalization isnt really relative to her notability, then just call her Swiss. But better yet, imo, just say Rock and Roll Hall of Fame singer ... nableezy - 19:41, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support Blurb World famous singer with decades spanning career. One of the best-selling recording artists of all time. There was a film about her, which is one of criteria for blurb. Kirill C1 (talk) 19:15, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb when IMDb, Discogs, Metro, and NYPost sources get replaced. Definitely notable enough for a blurb. --Vacant0 (talk) 19:18, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb No question. Article is a GA as well. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:20, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb there are a few films nowt sourced but the article is if high quality and explains her legacy to the music industry (with the obits, this probably should be ecpanded). --Masem (t) 19:21, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support blub Easy one, as others have already explained. Johndavies837 (talk) 19:23, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• 20 minutes in and this is going to be a pretty clear cut case for a blurb. Which I Support. - Floydian  _¢ 19:25, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb - To me is a no-brainer. One of the greatest musicians in history.--Kacamata! 19:34, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb A genuine legend in the music world. The Kip (talk) 19:37, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

  Simply the best. Kirill C1 (talk) 19:40, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

• Posted blurb - Clear consensus to post. Using straight-forward blurb rather than one focused on birth nation and citizenship. - Fuzheado | Talk 19:39, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Post-posting support for blurb Musical legend who revolutionized rock and roll. Noah 19:41, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• @Fuzheado: need to update the two blurbs now that Turner is pictured and not Koepka. nableezy - 19:50, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks for the reminder. Done. - Fuzheado | Talk 19:51, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

• Close - This is about as efficient as a death blurb nomination can get. We've got the blurb, we've got the picture, consensus is clear; now we can close this out. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 19:52, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

2023 Mauritanian parliamentary election

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• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Wait - like you said, a bit confusing, but there apparently is another election on May 27, so we should probably wait. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 12:17, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

• Wait until the election is completed. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:16, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Wait until the May 27 election There's no point in posting this when it's almost done, but not entirely done. I'd also note that the "Preliminary results" section needs prose. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 00:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
• Wait I agree as above, its still ongoing so it would be premature to declare any result on here. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

May 23

RD: Fusaichi Pegasus

• Updated and nominated by Blaylockjam10 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: 2000 Kentucky Derby winner Blaylockjam10 (talk) 10:22, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

RD: Cotton Nash

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

 – Muboshgu (talk) 04:46, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

RD: Jean Haudry

• Updated and nominated by Fakescientist8000 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: French linguist, 88. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 00:38, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

RD: Tom Sawyer

• Nominated by Fakescientist8000 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Ohio politician for nearly 50 years, 77. Death announced on this date. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 00:36, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support - A modern day warrior. His mind was not for rent to any god or government. Article is well-sourced, though obviously more prose in the "personal life" section would be nice. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:49, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support, Former congressman and article is fine. Alex-h (talk) 19:23, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

RD: Robert Zimmer

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: American mathematician and president of the University of Chicago. Sourcing is nearly there. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:59, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support Well cited, well written article. Good quality. Ready to post IMO. TwistedAxe 21:47, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Weak oppose There are 2 or 3 unsourced statements in the article, which doesn’t make this a strong oppose, but a citation should be added to those. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 10:35, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support, Article looks ok. Alex-h (talk) 19:16, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Ely riot

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• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Noswall59 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by This is Paul (talk · give credit), Jim Michael 2 (talk · give credit) and Family27390 (talk · give credit)

• Oppose - per for example Misplaced Pages:In_the_news/Candidates/April_2015#_Protests_over_the_death_of_Freddie_Gray, Misplaced Pages:In_the_news/Candidates/January_2023#(Closed)_Blurb:_Tyre_Nichols_and_ensuing_unrest. Consensus appears to be that violent protests are not blurb-worthy absent them developing in to some nation-wide phenomenon. nableezy - 16:41, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. No deaths, and the article in question does not mention the extent of property damage. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:53, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - extremely localised. And the nomination seems to be jumping to conclusions not yet in evidence about whether the police bear some responsibility. GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:25, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - so minor that the only reason it hasn't dropped off the UK news feeds yet is that the police have, yet again, been caught lying about it (oh, and it was hardly "major property damage" - it was half a dozen cars). Black Kite (talk) 18:38, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose highly localised event. Notice even the title points to one neighbourhood. This is nothing on the scale of the 2011 England riots. I don't know this case inside out, it hasn't been on my schedule to read everything about it, but surely it's WP:WEASEL and setting a sketchy precedent to put rumours on the main page of Misplaced Pages, as the blurb would be. Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:41, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Minor local news, and we don't post rumours. It's arguable whether this even qualifies for an article per WP:EVENTCRIT. Certainly not an ITN blurb. Modest Genius 18:47, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - Very much a subnational event. It needs to be one heck of a riot, and of course a reliably documented one as such, to be considered ITN-worthy. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 19:34, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Rolf Harris

• Nominated by Anarchyte (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Died last week, announced today. Anarchyte (talk) 12:11, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support Well cited article and well written - looks ready. TwistedAxe 12:31, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Generally looks good; as I write there are three citation needed tags that will have to be dealt with. It appears an exact date of death is not yet known but that shouldn't be a reason to hold up posting.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:10, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support - Well cited enough for RD, exact death date will be revealed in time when reported by RS.LM2000 (talk) 13:19, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article is well written and cited. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 14:51, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Filmography is sourced to IMDb, but it's not a reliable source (WP:IMDB).—Bagumba (talk) 15:40, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article is in good shape. WP:Citing_IMDb is not entirely clear on whether it's appropriate to cite Filmography, based on my reading it might be ok in some circumstances. Let's compare this with Emma Watson whose filmography isn't cited at all, as opposed to Keanu Reeves filmography. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:50, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Our purpose here is to evaluate whether the proposed target is of sufficient quality to promote to the main page; there is no proposal to promote those other pages at this time. IMDb has been deemed generally unreliable by the community. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:28, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Watson and Reeves are not dead yet. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 18:04, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

• What do we do now? It has now been confirmed (via a reliable source, The Guardian) that he died on 10 May. The article has been updated. But that's a fortnight ago. Can this still be posted? HiLo48 (talk) 23:58, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

  If the news of his death came out recently, then I don't see why not. Kurtis 03:03, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

  Recent deaths is for deaths announced in the last 7 days. Anarchyte (talk) 08:31, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

  WP:ITNRD, which forms the guidance for how RD is to operate, specifically uses the date the death was made public, and not the date of the actual death, so this is not a problem. --Jayron32 16:59, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support Filmography is now ~ 90% covered by reliable sources. Gaps for non-controversial credits are acceptable in light of length and quality of article. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:41, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Marking as ready. ITN nominations are based on announcement of death, which usually is the day of, but not always. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:29, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support - ...it's marked ready, and I agree. Jusdafax (talk) 05:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article is in good shape. Still three {{citation required}} tags though. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:02, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support - I agree with the Ready tag.BabbaQ (talk) 07:21, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support Looks alright. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 16:11, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support, Article is fine. Alex-h (talk) 16:44, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 01:05, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: David Brandt

• Nominated by Mobius Gerig (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Pioneering no-till farmer, and a internet meme. The article could do with some work, but from what I see, there isn't much to change. Mobius Gerig (talk) 01:08, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Weak support Article needs a bit of polishing, other than that it's okay. GodzillamanRor (talk) 02:08, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support Pretty notable, he has been apart of the meme culture for quite a while. TwistedAxe 10:58, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• @Twistedaxe Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. Please focus on the quality of the article, not the notability of the subject. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 15:13, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

  Quality looks just fine, I was just pointing out the obvious due to there being a WP:GNG tag, which I decided to counter here. I'm sure @Editor 5426387 also used it in the same context as me to provide more insight and context. TwistedAxe 17:03, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support notable guy, not really as a farmer, but as a memer. The article needs some polishing, but this guy is notable enough to be on RD.Editor 5426387 (talk) 11:57, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

  @Editor 5426387: Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD." Please stop using notability for a reason to either !support or !oppose ITNRD nominations. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 15:09, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support The article ain't much, but it's honest work! Chaotic Enby (talk) 16:19, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support. What a legend. RIP. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:54, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Posted. Anarchyte (talk) 14:15, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

May 22

RD: Sarath Babu

• Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Popular Telugu and Tamil actor. Article is expanded now Abishe (talk) 07:49, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support Huge table at the end of the article, but other than that the article is well cited. TwistedAxe 23:19, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ray Stevenson

• Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)
• Updated by GreatCaesarsGhost (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Lots of CN tags that need to be covered. Entirely unsourced filmography. Mooonswimmer 18:00, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support Mostly done now. A few minor gaps. GreatCaesarsGhost 20:05, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support and good job to all updaters. I first took a look at this a few hours ago, and it looked nothing like it does now, in regards to sourcing. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 21:38, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support per above. TwistedAxe 22:52, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support Looks alright. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 17:29, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Posted. Anarchyte (talk) 12:04, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Mahdia school fire

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Dubstar44 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jim Michael 2 (talk · give credit), Nythar (talk · give credit) and 77.100.222.101 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: 20 students were killed in a fire in Guyana. The article is currently stubby; I'll try to add more info if I have time. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 16:32, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

• Would support in principle and the proposal is fine but single line articles should be avoided as noms (even if stubs are proposed an expectation of at least a few paras is there). Gotitbro (talk) 16:48, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Neutral on notability but strong Oppose on article quality for now. It's barely a stub. Chaotic Enby (talk) 17:56, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality as it’s a stub. Will reconsider if/when expanded. The Kip (talk) 18:46, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support once the article is expanded. --NoonIcarus (talk) 18:56, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Opppose on quality. Consider my vote to be a support once the article is expanded. estar8806 (talk) ★ 20:11, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose quality just sucks. like kip, i'll reconsider when it's expanded. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 21:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Horrifically bad quality; articles contains only 180 words of prose, and to top it all off, it's a stub with 7 sources. Not good. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 21:42, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Poor quality article and I'm not convinced this meets Misplaced Pages's notability requirements. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:43, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. Unfortunately a stub article and I don't think it'll get expanded much. If, by some miracle, this article gets expanded and is well cited, I'll be supporting. TwistedAxe 22:53, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose for now. Still a stub. It could be expanded more. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 01:32, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support A new section "Investigation" has just been added. The article is no longer a stub. Nothing mind-blowing but with 19 fatalities, it should meet the ITN criteria. Note I've copy-edited the blurb and changed "at least 20" to "19". Schwede66 08:00, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support,The article looks ok now. Alex-h (talk) 16:40, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Pinging @Layah50, @The Kip, @TheBlueSkyClub, @Fakescientist8000, @Thebiguglyalien, @Twistedaxe in light of the recent expansion. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 01:12, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

320 words, with 17 sources. This is still not good enough quality for the Main Page, and I could barely see this getting by ITNRD standards. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:16, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately I'm inclined to agree with @Fakescientist8000 here, the article still isn't long enough and it's barely long enough to even escape being a stub article. Needs alot more work before it's ready. TwistedAxe 10:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Same here. Agree with @Fakescientist8000's statement. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 14:18, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Still not enough, I have to say. I'm with @Fakescientist8000, sadly. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 14:54, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

May 21

RD: C. Boyden Gray

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: American politician. Almost ready aside from some minor citation issues. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:20, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support Well-written article & well cited. TwistedAxe 23:22, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• One unreferenced paragraph. Stephen 04:15, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Long enough, only one cn tag. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 01:29, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) Brooks Koepka wins 2023 PGA Championship

• Nominated by TheCorriynial (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: PGA Championship is a recurring ITN, so as long as the article is fine, and a photo of Brooks is cropped, it should be good enough to post. TheCorriynial (talk) 00:43, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support Good amount of prose/description for a sports article. Ready to post IMO. The Kip (talk) 05:32, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Weak support Article has okay amount of prose, but could use alot more work. Right now all I'm seeing is mostly tables and such. TwistedAxe 06:40, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support It has enough prose & sources to be posted. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 18:55, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Looks good enough for ITN posting. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 01:34, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support Looks good and nice image of Koepka with the trophy.Newtothisedit (talk) 02:23, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Since it seems we have support of at least five, I'll mark it as ready. TheCorriynial (talk) 14:16, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support Good enough, prose summaries meet requirements.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:19, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 14:52, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

• Comment - Nothing like some good old Nike product placement splashed on the Main Page. Although I'm not in favor of removing a good picture if it works, I definitely understand the complaints of other editors who say it's problematic. This particular example is pretty blatant. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:12, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Good point. WaltCip is talking about the picture which was first nominated (right). That didn't seem to be a good picture and so I replaced it with FILE:Brooks Koepka, 2019 PGA Champion.jpg which is the image in the nomination template now. That image has the PGA as a background, which seems more appropriate than a shoe company. And the trophy looks cool. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:47, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

  As the poster, I chose the right one as it seemed in line with what I thought is the general ITN practice to prefer a portrait, cropped if needed, which was also in the nom: ...and a photo of Brooks is cropped... I otherwise have no preference, nor issue if a new consensus forms about the pic. —Bagumba (talk) 06:17, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

  

  I've cropped a version with the trophy (no water brand endorsement either). Would not get as good a view of his face still.—Bagumba (talk) 08:34, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@WaltCip, @Andrew Davidson, @Bagumba, this seems very much like a non-issue, especially with how limited our supply of images are due to our copyright policy. Are we finna not feature Formula 1 player in the future because their uniforms are essentially walking billboards? In fact, judging by WaltCip's I definitely understand the complaints of other editors who say it's problematic, I'm assuming that this "issue" has been raised in the past. Personally, this just seems like that recent referendum on Jimbo's arbcom powers - a solution in search of a problem. Lead images for both ITN and articles should be selected on how well they depict the subject, hence why his article still retains the first image. You can argue about WP:POV and WP:NOTADVERT, but I can twist the POV argument the other way, and say that via actively removing product placement, we're being biased against these companies and with advertising, I really doubt that that a Nike hat in one image is equivalent to puffed up nonsense to make readers buy shit, especially considering Commons' comparatively loose attitudes regarding neutrality. All in all, oppose removal of current image. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 13:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm not here to argue about POV, I just think the photo was taken and set up with the express purpose of advertising Nike, and they succeeded. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:35, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Oppose change of picture per Knigtoftheswords. The current one is clearly the best pic available. And the "promotion" angle is a non-argument IMHO. Just as we don't deliberately advertise companies, we don't deliberately not advertise them either.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:13, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I meannnn, yeah the alternate isnt from this year, but its from this tournament, and could add to the blurb saying (pictured from his win in 2019) which makes it marginally more interesting as well. I dont care about the nike bit, he wearing the same hat (i think) in both. nableezy - 16:08, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) 2023 Greek legislative election

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• Updated and nominated by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)

• Wait to see what happens after, due to the results being very uncertain. It's still very early to say anything - otherwise I'd support posting this. TwistedAxe 21:02, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
• Wait a day or two to see full results, then support posting. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 21:50, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
• Comment: It seems like ND did not win a majority in the Hellenic parliament, and it seems like a second round/snap election might be imminent. TwistedAxe 08:33, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Wait If what the nom says is correct and snap elections are likely to be called then no oupose is served by posting this now. Gotitbro (talk) 16:01, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

  Snap elections won’t be for at least another month or two, however. The Kip (talk) 18:46, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

• Wait for...? what we have to wait for is to see the cn tags fixed, and prose added to the results section and expand the one in the Aftermath section. The results are official and we are not soothsayers to speculate whether or not there will be snap elections. However, this does not mean that this nomination is correct, as they are per se ITNR situations independently. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:40, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Comment II: I say we close this and re-nominate this once the second Greek election rounds are over, as multiple sources, such as Reuters and Euronews suggest that a second Greek election round is very likely, due to Mitsotakis not securing a majority in the Hellenic Parliament. It's too uncertain to say right now who will win, as it is a very close race between ND and the opposition. Also, I'd like to add in that this nom is a WP:CRYSTAL. TwistedAxe 23:00, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

  This is not exactly how it works. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:20, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

  The elections are due in June, which means that all of the previous noms in May will be archived, so what is the point of keeping this nom open? TwistedAxe 23:23, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

  The completed election processes are indivudally and independently ITN-worthy. Whether or not there is an electoral rerun in a short space of time. This conclusion was reached some time ago. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:02, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

  I've never heard about this. If you'd be kind to link the conclusion, that would be appreciated. With practically every election we nominate for ITN, we always wait for the final results to come out. TwistedAxe 11:57, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) 49th G7 summit

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• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Created by ElontheWikiEditor (talk · give credit)

• Oppose Article is nowhere close to quality to post - too many tables and pictures and very little prose. Further, we typically are looking for significant resolutions or other decisions that should have wide-ranging effects. That they simply met without any roadmap for future change is not really appropriate for us. --Masem (t) 17:13, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality - was finna nominate this myself, and as such have seen the pitiful state of the article. Upon fixing, it should be posted; nowhere in the G7's entry on WP:ITNR does it list that the summit ought to have significant resolutions or other decisions that should have wide-ranging effects (which would largely destroy the purpose of an ITNR listing anyway). - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 18:01, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose for now The article is mostly tables & lists. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 18:42, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Not really a huge notable event and article mostly contains tables and such (very little prose). TwistedAxe 21:00, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

  The G7 summit is listed as ITNR, which means that significance is presumed. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 01:28, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

  Oh okay, didn't know that. Thanks for the info, cheers! TwistedAxe 06:41, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Oppose That doesn't look like an article in the correct shape to be on the front page. Chaotic Enby (talk) 23:41, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose not really ITN-worthy, it's just a meeting, and the article contains little more than charts. Editor 5426387 (talk) 13:39, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

  ITN/R, so significance is assumed with this. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 14:55, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose article quality isn't there. i'll reevaluate article quality later. i do expect it to get better since there's a sea of opposes, here. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 14:58, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Cheers to Onegreatjoke for bringing this out from ITNR obscurity. I wonder how many items like this languish in there which have not been posted in a while or whose notability does not seem apparent now. Gotitbro (talk) 16:04, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on significance per TwistedAxe, Kiril and 5426387, I really just don't feel this is an altogether significant event; the meaningfulness is now quite diminished than from years past. We're not providing a service to our readers through the inclusion of the summit. This item has been proposed for removal from ITN/R on WT:ITN. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 20:25, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. I've !voted to remove from ITN/R, and there's no particular reason to post this one.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:37, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose and remove from ITNR. nableezy - 23:51, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Bakhmut taken by Russian forces

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• Nominated by Jalapeño (talk · give credit)

• Oppose and please close this before it turns into unproductive discussion that wastes time. We keep the ongoing item for a reason.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:46, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
• Close just close just close and stop listening to those people. --Ouro (blah blah) 11:59, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose and closing immediately Probably not a good idea to listen to Russia and Prigozhin. Twistedaxe (talk) 13:00, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

May 20

(Posted) RD: Rick Hummel

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

 – Muboshgu (talk) 18:46, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support acceptable. Seems to be a lot of general praise but not a lot explaining why. GreatCaesarsGhost 22:34, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Weak support Article is kind of on the verge of not being a stub. Other than that, the citings are okay but the article could use alot more work. TwistedAxe 23:26, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article looks good enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 02:11, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 04:12, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

San Salvador crowd crush

• Nominated by NoonIcarus (talk · give credit)
• Created by Jim Michael 2 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Worst sports tragedy in El Salvador's history. NoonIcarus (talk) 11:56, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Too stubby for now. Reassess when more details of the circumstances are available.—Bagumba (talk) 14:18, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

• Comment The article is currently at a Start class, as it was when it was first nominated. --NoonIcarus (talk) 18:56, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

  "Stubby" ≠ rated a stub —Bagumba (talk) 03:34, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. Very little information in the article, currently no indication that it will ever meet WP:GNG or WP:EVENTCRIT. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:45, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. I was going to nominate this myself, but unfortunately after looking at the article's state, it's clear it isn't ready yet. Needs some work before it's ready, plus if the death toll doesn't rise too high then the notability could be questioned too. TwistedAxe 23:43, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Barcelona wins La Liga(s)

• Nominated by Kingsif (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Trophy was presented on 20 May, so nominating for this day. La Liga is ITN/R, not Liga F, which I've included mention of in altblurb though the trophy for that was presented earlier (but season ended 21 May). Bold links are the leagues' season articles, based on Premier League nom below. Kingsif (talk) 20:25, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on article look. Too table-y, not text-y enough. Chaotic Enby (talk) 23:43, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
• Same issues as the Premier League item below: wait for the season to actually finish and oppose on quality due to lack of referenced prose, and alt2 added that follows our standard phrasing. Also, ITNR is for La Liga, not the women's equivalent, so don't include that. Modest Genius 19:00, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. Very little prose, and if the tables were to be taken out of the article, it would no doubt be a stub. Article needs more work. Consider my support once article is expanded upon when it comes to prose. TwistedAxe 23:28, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

RD: Paul Desenne

• Nominated by NoonIcarus (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Venezuelan cellist NoonIcarus (talk) 17:21, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is currently marked as a stub. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 21:49, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: Being marked is different from being a stub. The article had nearly 2 KB of readable prose and over a dozen references in its nomination (as well as currently). The length and quality should be enough for its posting. --NoonIcarus (talk) 12:15, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. Marked it as a stub due to the article literally having no more than 10 lines worth of prose. Article needs major improvement before its ready. TwistedAxe 23:41, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Man City wins Prem

• Nominated by 2601:2C2:500:F260:4D82:3D7D:CDB1:FD82 (talk · give credit)

 2601:2C2:500:F260:4D82:3D7D:CDB1:FD82 (talk) 19:27, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose for now - the linked article should be 2021–22 Premier League 2022–23 Premier League, but as usual that is not remotely ready yet. There is no prose update or indeed summary of the season as one would expect. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 20:17, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

  Eh, do you mean 2022-23 article? - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 22:49, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

  Oh yes, silly me. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 22:58, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Not Ready - article is pretty bad currently. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:08, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is not in a good state (and isn't even linked in the main blurb), prose is desperately needed, citations too, and the Premier League should probably not be the one bolded. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 00:49, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Very little prose in the article currently, mostly tables and such. Needs lots of work before it's ready. Twistedaxe (talk) 09:52, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Wrong article linked for this. As for the correct one, it is not ready at all (I say as a Gooner). And Strong Oppose the alt blurb, it is "THE Premier League", never "English Premier League". The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 10:09, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose, the article isn't ready yet. It doesn't even say the Premier League has ended. Strong oppose for the alt blurb as well, it was never the English Premier League, just the Premier League. // 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 11:21, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

• Wait I don't see why this can't wait until next week, when the season will finish and there are likely to be more updates (especially to do with the relegation places, at least one of which is going to be decided next weekend). Otherwise, unless you semi-protect it, you're probably going to end up with an unstable article on the Main Page. Black Kite (talk) 13:24, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
• Agree with Black Kite, just wait for the conclusion of the season and an article that would presumably have the needed updates to go along with it. I get the title has been clinched, but no reason to not wait. And Jalapeno, thats because the season has not ended, just Man City have clinched the title. nableezy - 13:46, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
• Comment I disagree that we should wait until next week for the season to conclude. We post when the winner is known. It’s news now and won’t be in a week. Compare this to presidential elections: we post them when the winner is known, not when the person assumes office.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:00, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

  Thats posting an election, you dont post the results before the polls close even if the polling numbers are wildly skewed. But the article here depends on things that have not yet happened. It is definitely going to be changing, in not insignificant ways, between then and now. And we actually dont even post the results of an election until the page of the election is filled out completely. The US House race was pulled last time because some of the races were not called for months, even though the overall result was known. nableezy - 14:33, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

  I don’t think the information until the end of the season is relevant when the winner is already known, so we can post it when the article receives prose update elaborating how Manchester City won the title (no need to await content on the last week, which doesn’t impact the outcome of the season).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:10, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

  The ITN/R entry is "Premier League", not "Who wins the Premier League", so it doesn't matter when we post it as long as the update is sufficient. And yes, the last week will impact the outcome of the season, because it will decide the relegation places. Black Kite (talk) 15:28, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

  If that’s the case, why we posted it when the winner was decided in the past and why you didn’t advocate to wait until the season ends? To put it simple, everyone knows what “Premier League” means as an ITNR item. I’m sure we’re not going to post the relegated teams. The same criterion didn’t apply when we posted the winning driver of the 2022 Formula One Championship on 12 October even though the winning constructor was decided later on and the season ended on 20 November.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:00, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

  To which the simple answer is - the article was of sufficient quality at that point and there was consensus to post it. The article has 7 days after 18:30 BST next Sunday (the end of the season) to be posted - there is no rush. Black Kite (talk) 16:05, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

  I agree that the article lacks a prose update and shouldn’t be posted because of that, but I disagree that we should wait for the conclusion of the season to post it. If it gets improved by tomorrow, we’ll post it immediately.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:23, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

  Yes, that would also be fine; I'm merely saying that there isn't a rush to do it. Black Kite (talk) 18:56, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Oppose Article isn't great, and the main blurb doesn't even link it? (The alt blurb isn't better, no one calls it "English Premier League"...) Chaotic Enby (talk) 15:20, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

It's sometimes called the English Premier League in the US. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 18:45, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

For obvious reasons. That isn't its name, however. Black Kite (talk) 18:57, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

• Wait for the season to finish, relegation & European places to be determined etc. Also oppose on quality - there needs to be some actual referenced prose in the article, summarising the events of the season. See 2018–19_Premier_League#Summary for an example. And finally, I've added an alt2 blurb, which follows our standard phrasing. Modest Genius 18:56, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Martin Amis

• Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)
• Created by Greg Godwin (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: -- Substantial sourcing work needed. Too many quotes, and some of the book descriptions are a bit too long. "Views on Islam (2006 interview controversy)" section can be condensed. Article needs to be updated to reflect Amis' death. Mooonswimmer 18:50, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Early life and Early writing sections are nearly entirely unsourced, and there are a few CN tags in the career section. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:58, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

  As far as I can see, that is not the case. I don't see any in there, and the sections you mentioned are well-sourced. // 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 15:12, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

  They might not be tagged, but there are significant unsourced sections there. This is not close to being ready. Black Kite (talk) 15:31, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support Amis was one of the most important and influential writers of his generation (regardless of what one thinks of him or his writing, headlines read: "era-defining British novelist"; "literary giant"; "Mick Jagger in literary form"; "Stylist extraordinaire"; "Witty, caustic, dazzling"; "he stamped his style over a generation of writers and readers"; etc.). I am not qualified to comment on the state or readiness of the article itself (in a technical sense with regard to WP:MOS or other policy re: main page nomination), however a cursory read shows it to be quite thorough and detailed. That his passing was marked in every major media outlet but not on this page strikes me as odd. If there are improvements to be made to the article, then it would seem that drawing attention to it here, with a very wide audience of community members, would help achieve this objective. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 12:03, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support A lot of work has now been done on this. Spicemix (talk) 14:49, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support, two remaining {{cn}}s notwithstanding. Last chance, really, before Amis gets Jake-the-Pegged into oblivion. Moscow Mule (talk) 15:12, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

  Jake the Peg (and its creator) may well deserve oblivion (or worse). Amis? Probably not – time will be the judge. However, we won't be able to run the clock backwards and undo his absence here (Time's Arrow notwithstanding). Clock is ticking. Pageviews since the announcement of his death would indicate that the general reader finds the subject worth pursuing. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 22:10, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Bibliography section needs sources or ISBNs for his works.—Bagumba (talk) 15:23, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bagumba: ISBNs done. Moscow Mule (talk) 16:23, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Struck my oppose.—Bagumba (talk) 16:32, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Article seems ready now. TwistedAxe 23:44, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Agree Spicemix (talk) 08:32, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 08:51, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

RD: Rattan Lal Kataria

• Nominated by Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: -- Rushtheeditor (talk) 16:40, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article quality is not up to ITNRD standards. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 17:49, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
• This stubby wikibio currently has only 181 words of prose. Please expand it. --PFHLai (talk) 09:09, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. The article is a stub.  Lefcentreright  Discuss  17:21, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Article has been marked as a stub now. Needs work before it's ready. TwistedAxe 23:45, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Kacper Tekieli

• Nominated by Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)
• Created by Fixer88 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: -- Rushtheeditor (talk) 16:40, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article looks fine enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 17:49, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Sourcing and prose are sufficient and the article has been updated with info on the death. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:32, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose There's an outstanding tag for the lead being too short.—Bagumba (talk) 15:45, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

  Tag was removed, and is sparse but sufficient.—Bagumba (talk) 07:01, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. I added more text in the lead section. Fixer88 (talk) 18:05, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article is in a better condition now and is ready. TwistedAxe 23:38, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 08:52, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Brian Booth

• Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)
• Created by Moondyne (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Australian dual international represented Australia both in cricket and field hockey. Death announced on this date of 20 May 2023 Abishe (talk) 04:18, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Support - Article looks good. Onegreatjoke (talk) 04:35, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article quality is good.  Hamza Ali Shah  22:07, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Support I have no better reason than the other supporters here, but I notice at the Jim Brown article that votes were counted, and this might help get this exceedingly obvious nomination posted. Please don't let it sit here ready to go for days as other recent non-American nominations have. HiLo48 (talk) 22:52, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article is well cited and long enough for ITNRD. Marking as ready. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 23:10, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

HELLO!!!! An American footballer was posted as an RD much faster than this. Brian Booth was an international in TWO sports. You will never convince me there isn't a US sports bias here. HiLo48 (talk) 07:58, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

You're right, we'll never convince you. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 15:04, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

That might also be due to Brown being better well-known in general, including his involvement as a civil right activist? (Still sad that his activism wasn't even mentioned in the blurb tho...) Chaotic Enby (talk) 15:18, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Better well known globally? No. That would be wrong. HiLo48 (talk) 21:31, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Looking at the page views, it seems Jim Brown is more well-known - Booth had about 6,000 views on the 20th, Brown about 300,000. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:42, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Did you check that view with the billion cricket fans in India? HiLo48 (talk) 23:50, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

If he was really that popular, even if his fanbase was mostly in India (and I don't see why it would be there since he played in Australia) I would still expect there to be more than 0.02% of the views Brown got. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:09, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

As an American you really should stop now. You clearly have no idea how international sport works, and are giving your countrymen a bad name. HiLo48 (talk) 03:58, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

It’s time to stop, HiLo, before you end up breaking civility policies. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 10:17, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

The small handful of ITN admins being busy is not a conspiracy. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:29, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

OK. So what IS the explanation for American sports stars always being posted quickly? DON'T say better well known. That would be US-centrism, and wrong. HiLo48 (talk) 21:29, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Well, they are better well known, for starters. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:38, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Unless you have data at hand, my guess would be confirmation bias. You notice when it happens, you don't notice when it doesn't. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 00:15, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 08:51, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

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