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It leans heavily in favor of the Japanese side. We need it to be more balanced. ] (]) 21:33, 23 May 2023 (UTC) <s>It leans heavily in favor of the Japanese side. We need it to be more balanced. ] (]) 21:33, 23 May 2023 (UTC)</s>


:These sorts of comments are more helpful if you can suggest a specific edit or raise a specific statement from a specific source you'd like to see incorporated. ] (]) 22:02, 23 May 2023 (UTC) :These sorts of comments are more helpful if you can suggest a specific edit or raise a specific statement from a specific source you'd like to see incorporated. ] (]) 22:02, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
::It refers to the islands as Senkaku almost exclusively. This means Misplaced Pages endorses Japan's claims. ] (]) 18:34, 24 May 2023 (UTC) <s>::It refers to the islands as Senkaku almost exclusively. This means Misplaced Pages endorses Japan's claims. ] (]) 18:34, 24 May 2023 (UTC)</s>

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Lead sentence

It seems pretty clear that most English news sources refer to this dispute as the Senkaku Islands Dispute (see for example http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27089658 http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2013/12/economist-explains-1 while making clear reference to the fact that China/Taiwan refer to these as the Diaoyu Island Dispute which is supported by Benlisquare has pointed out (although not explicitly saying Diaoyu Island Dispute the overall meaning is reflected in his literal translation. I think that it should be noted that the English speaking world generally refers to the conflict as the Senkaku Islands Dispute while Taiwan and the PRC refer to it as the Diaoyu Island Dispute (again, I think this accurately captures the meaning of Benlisquare's literal translation). As such, I think this should be reflected in the description as this describes the situation while remaining neutral and clarifying the two sides. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LEDominator (talkcontribs) 06:08, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Per the 1RR notice above, now that the addition in China has been reverted, we should be working towards a consensus on this Talk page, rather than making changes to the article directly. - Ryk72 07:09, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
There's no need to say Senkaku Islands dispute is translated from Japanese or Diaoyu Islands dispute is translated from Chinese. Just keep it simple. STSC (talk) 10:41, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

New Source

Tadayoshi Murata, The Origins of Japanese-Chinese Territorial Dispute (Tokyo: World Scientific, 2016). I noticed this hasn't been used yet, it supports the Chinese position but it uses a lot of evidence. ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 10:46, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Warning about possible problems in this article

I have found two major problems in this article today, one being a sentence about the position of the US State Department and one about the attitude of Japanese government in the 1970's. From these two examples, I infer that this page may also have other problematic areas and I recommend that the article be thoroughly reviewed and checked by multiple experts at the earliest possible date, including the edits I made. I am not an expert in the specifics of this dispute, but the fact that I have seemingly discovered two major problems after a brief glance at the article is not a good sign. Thanks for any help. Geographyinitiative (talk) 09:17, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Discovered a similar situation on the Senkaku Islands page. Geographyinitiative (talk) 12:41, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
Removed scare quotes used in the lead section around the words 'private owner'. Geographyinitiative (talk) 23:14, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
Regarding the US position on the dispute, it does seem that several officials have stated that the US takes what they call a neutral position on the underlying sovereignty question. However, I think there needs to be some kind of official State Department statement, not a collection of quotations, to sustain the sentences I was reading here. There may be a better wording for those sentences. Again, I am no expert in this area but I think there should be very very clear wording about who said what when and who they represented. A WikiLeaks document says " the State Department asserted that the United States took a neutral position with regard to the competing Japanese and Chinese claims to the islands," I read this sentence (especially the word 'asserted') as a partial proof that the sentences I hid on these pages may be a little bit of an overstatement. Geographyinitiative (talk) 01:27, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Another possible source

Found this document from a Hong Kong university. Mathews, Gordon (May 1999). "A Collision of Discourses Japanese and Hong Kong Chinese during the Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands Crisis" (PDF). Chinese University of Hong Kong Hong Kong Institute of Asia-Pacific Studies. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:30, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

The article is not neutral

It leans heavily in favor of the Japanese side. We need it to be more balanced. Cioppino123 (talk) 21:33, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

These sorts of comments are more helpful if you can suggest a specific edit or raise a specific statement from a specific source you'd like to see incorporated. JArthur1984 (talk) 22:02, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

::It refers to the islands as Senkaku almost exclusively. This means Misplaced Pages endorses Japan's claims. Cioppino123 (talk) 18:34, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

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