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| ::], I read the top of the discussion. I agree with the other user honestly but I can help you identify better sources if you'd ask me. Please don't add fictional flags to the actual Infoboxes of those articles and if you want to source maps to blogs it would either have to be (1) an expert blog run by an actual historian on the subject or (2) contain a photograph from a museum or a historian's work. I'm traveling now.<span id="Donald_Trung:1685865128403:User_talkFTTCLNDonald_Trung" class="FTTCmt"> — ] (]) 07:52, 4 June 2023 (UTC)</span> | ::], I read the top of the discussion. I agree with the other user honestly but I can help you identify better sources if you'd ask me. Please don't add fictional flags to the actual Infoboxes of those articles and if you want to source maps to blogs it would either have to be (1) an expert blog run by an actual historian on the subject or (2) contain a photograph from a museum or a historian's work. I'm traveling now.<span id="Donald_Trung:1685865128403:User_talkFTTCLNDonald_Trung" class="FTTCmt"> — ] (]) 07:52, 4 June 2023 (UTC)</span> | ||
| :::I'm in the metro now but maps and flags you add need to be properly sourced, most blogs you cite tend to show these flags in festivals or in historical paintings, these aren't indications of them being either national flags (something Vietnam didn't have until 1886~8) or imperial standards. Vexilogical sources also clearly indicate that no tradition of national flags exists and unlike pre-modern Korea Historians haven't really unraveled many flags for pre-modern Vietnam meaning that many people created fantasies. Misplaced Pages used to be full of these fantasies and I think that it's good that you put them in a separate list of fantasy flags, however, I don't think that they should be placed anywhere else unless there's information about how they were used and when if they're real. A painting made hundreds of years after the fact isn't a reliable source, I don't think that the pre-Nam Việt used Chinese-style flags. <br style="margin-bottom:0.5em"/>I'm in the Rotterdam Metro to ] now, so I won't be able to reply until maybe tonight or tomorrow. But I agree with that user and if you're willing I could mentor you in discovering and finding reliable sources. --<span id="Donald_Trung:1685865397572:User_talkFTTCLNDonald_Trung" class="FTTCmt"> — ] (]) 07:56, 4 June 2023 (UTC)</span> | :::I'm in the metro now but maps and flags you add need to be properly sourced, most blogs you cite tend to show these flags in festivals or in historical paintings, these aren't indications of them being either national flags (something Vietnam didn't have until 1886~8) or imperial standards. Vexilogical sources also clearly indicate that no tradition of national flags exists and unlike pre-modern Korea Historians haven't really unraveled many flags for pre-modern Vietnam meaning that many people created fantasies. Misplaced Pages used to be full of these fantasies and I think that it's good that you put them in a separate list of fantasy flags, however, I don't think that they should be placed anywhere else unless there's information about how they were used and when if they're real. A painting made hundreds of years after the fact isn't a reliable source, I don't think that the pre-Nam Việt used Chinese-style flags. <br style="margin-bottom:0.5em"/>I'm in the Rotterdam Metro to ] now, so I won't be able to reply until maybe tonight or tomorrow. But I agree with that user and if you're willing I could mentor you in discovering and finding reliable sources. --<span id="Donald_Trung:1685865397572:User_talkFTTCLNDonald_Trung" class="FTTCmt"> — ] (]) 07:56, 4 June 2023 (UTC)</span> | ||
| :::@], the flag have been removed long ago and I haven’t re-edited them, or anything ever since (Im not sure if they have all been removed though). But the arguments aren’t even about that. In the Baiyue article, he deleted the information I took from other versions of Misplaced Pages, and then deleted the map that I made based on the information I have gathered (I even have sources why there are at least 2 maps in the article don’t. in the Hồng Bàng one, I again, based on a website that have an online version of Lĩnh am chích quái to draw my maps and he again deleted them (like if the sources in maps aren’t valid, what made the article as a whole?)— ] (]) 07:57, 4 June 2023 (UTC) | |||
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- "Post-cash coins" list.
Articles I'm planning on doing after "finishing cash coins".
- Autonomous Republic of Cochinchina (Should be its own article, not a redirect).
- Expand the articles Nùng Autonomous Territory, Chinese Nùng, Hải Ninh Province, Etc. using the academic paper The Nung Ethnic and Autonomous Territory of Hai Ninh Vietnam.
- Trần Đức Lai, ed. (2013) . The Nung Ethic and Autonomous Territory of Hai Ninh-Vietnam. Translated by Ngô Thanh Tùng. Hai Ninh veterans and Public Administration Alumni Association-Vietnam. ISBN 978-0-578-12004-1.
- Split "Republic of South Vietnam" from "Provisional Revolutionary Government of the Republic of South Vietnam", the Việt Cộng state should have its own article.
- https://www.newmandala.org/book-review/winning-side-ben-thang-cuoc/
- https://leminhkhai.blog/the-south-korean-fall-of-saigon/
- https://vva.vietnam.ttu.edu/repositories/2/digital_objects/519127
- https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/159046
- https://thevietnamwar.info/what-happened-after-the-vietnam-war/
- https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/worldview/article/abs/let-the-vietnamese-speak-for-themselves/4E75631AA9C821F0FF1BC7A6D4FC648F
- Create the "Seals of Joseon and the Korean Empire" article.
- Dead internet theory (expand it).
- https://spinkbooks.com/products/chinese-numismatics-the-world-of-chinese-money-helen-wang-francois-thierry-lyce-jankowski-with-an-introduction-by-joe (Perhaps use it to write a general article about the history of Chinese numismatics itself).
Nguyễn Dynasty's Hanlin Academy
- http://baochi.nlv.gov.vn/baochi/cgi-bin/baochi?a=q&hs=1&r=1&results=1&txq=H%C3%A0n+L%C3%A2m+vi%E1%BB%87n&txf=txIN&ssnip=img&o=20&dafdq=&dafmq=&dafyq=&datdq=&datmq=&datyq=&puq=&e=-------vi-20--1--img-txIN-B%E1%BB%99+T%C6%B0+ph%C3%A1p+1933----- (Nguyễn Dynasty's Hanlin Academy).
--Donald Trung (talk) 07:57, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
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You probably busy right now, but I need your help @Donald Trung. I am giving my arguments and asked why my edits is invalid (I have the sources and the information I added were even in other versions of Misplaced Pages).
But an Extended User are now in my talk page, talking about what I did wrong with an edit back then and are discrediting me. He said that the admins will even ban my account.
What should I do now?— Daeva Trạc (talk) 07:41, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- The arguments are now in my talk page about this 1 and this 2.- Daeva Trạc (talk) 07:47, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Daeva Trạc, I read the top of the discussion. I agree with the other user honestly but I can help you identify better sources if you'd ask me. Please don't add fictional flags to the actual Infoboxes of those articles and if you want to source maps to blogs it would either have to be (1) an expert blog run by an actual historian on the subject or (2) contain a photograph from a museum or a historian's work. I'm traveling now. — Donald Trung (talk) 07:52, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- I'm in the metro now but maps and flags you add need to be properly sourced, most blogs you cite tend to show these flags in festivals or in historical paintings, these aren't indications of them being either national flags (something Vietnam didn't have until 1886~8) or imperial standards. Vexilogical sources also clearly indicate that no tradition of national flags exists and unlike pre-modern Korea Historians haven't really unraveled many flags for pre-modern Vietnam meaning that many people created fantasies. Misplaced Pages used to be full of these fantasies and I think that it's good that you put them in a separate list of fantasy flags, however, I don't think that they should be placed anywhere else unless there's information about how they were used and when if they're real. A painting made hundreds of years after the fact isn't a reliable source, I don't think that the pre-Nam Việt used Chinese-style flags.
I'm in the Rotterdam Metro to Madurodam now, so I won't be able to reply until maybe tonight or tomorrow. But I agree with that user and if you're willing I could mentor you in discovering and finding reliable sources. -- — Donald Trung (talk) 07:56, 4 June 2023 (UTC) - @Donald Trung, the flag have been removed long ago and I haven’t re-edited them, or anything ever since (Im not sure if they have all been removed though). But the arguments aren’t even about that. In the Baiyue article, he deleted the information I took from other versions of Misplaced Pages, and then deleted the map that I made based on the information I have gathered (I even have sources why there are at least 2 maps in the article don’t. in the Hồng Bàng one, I again, based on a website that have an online version of Lĩnh am chích quái to draw my maps and he again deleted them (like if the sources in maps aren’t valid, what made the article as a whole?)— Daeva Trạc (talk) 07:57, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- I'm in the metro now but maps and flags you add need to be properly sourced, most blogs you cite tend to show these flags in festivals or in historical paintings, these aren't indications of them being either national flags (something Vietnam didn't have until 1886~8) or imperial standards. Vexilogical sources also clearly indicate that no tradition of national flags exists and unlike pre-modern Korea Historians haven't really unraveled many flags for pre-modern Vietnam meaning that many people created fantasies. Misplaced Pages used to be full of these fantasies and I think that it's good that you put them in a separate list of fantasy flags, however, I don't think that they should be placed anywhere else unless there's information about how they were used and when if they're real. A painting made hundreds of years after the fact isn't a reliable source, I don't think that the pre-Nam Việt used Chinese-style flags.
- Daeva Trạc, I read the top of the discussion. I agree with the other user honestly but I can help you identify better sources if you'd ask me. Please don't add fictional flags to the actual Infoboxes of those articles and if you want to source maps to blogs it would either have to be (1) an expert blog run by an actual historian on the subject or (2) contain a photograph from a museum or a historian's work. I'm traveling now. — Donald Trung (talk) 07:52, 4 June 2023 (UTC)