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Sincerely, Donald Trung (talk) 23:57, 17 December 2022 (UTC)   (Leave me a message)

--Donald Trung (talk) 23:57, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Source for the Neo-Nazi flag

I saw that you added a Vietnamese Neo-Nazi flag, can you confirm that this is a real organisation? --Donald Trung (talk) 23:57, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, although not famous like the Communist Party of Vietnam, or Viet Tan Party, it’s pretty exist Some Vietnamese don’t like the Communist Party, but they also don’t prefer any Democratic/Capitalist Parties, and are very nationalist Daeva Trạc (talk) 00:02, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, but do you have a source for that image? The image itself doesn't list a website or a photograph. I know that Vietnamese Neo-Nazi's exist, I just haven't seen this flag before. -- Donald Trung (talk) 00:25, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for late response (I did send you mail though), as you may know, the Neo-Nazist Vietnamese exists, but not famous simply because they are somewhat not united. So I just recreate the flag based on one of their designs. You can delete it if you want, I just want people know they are technically exist and may get very dangerous overtime (but that’s another topic). Daeva Trạc (talk) 20:04, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

I haven't received any e-mail. I prefer not to delete anything, rather I prefer to source them. Any URL from the group itself would suffice. just add it to the "Source" field at the Wikimedia Commons. Feel free to write more about the Neo-Nazi phenomenon in Vietnam as unfortunately we don't have any articles on them. Donald Trung (talk) 20:10, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your encouragement But an editor wants a more reliable sources rather than just information from a unknown group So until those nazist do something that cause attention, I cannot say anything about them I will try my best to improve Misplaced Pages as you said. It may have some mistakes but I like to learn. Currently, I want to translate information from the English wiki to the Vietnamese version, especially on history and politic topics, hope can learn more from you and all the editors. Daeva Trạc (talk) 20:21, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Kingdom of Luang Prabang (Japanese puppet state)

Hi my friend. I hope you are fine. I have removed a large amount of unreferenced information. The new page review is one of the last approval stages, so when I see a page like this with a large amount of unreferenced information, and no {{In use}} tag to show that the page is undergoing a major build, I tend to err on the side of caution and remove the unreferenced information. The easiest solution is for you to add the tag to indicate the page is still under construction (if it is). This prevents me and other editors from editing the page until the process is complete and the tag is removed. Please assume good faith of me, as I do of you. By all means add the information again when you can add the references. Best wishes, BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 02:24, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

The page is indeed, still under editing, however, all the info I took was come from the article French protectorate of Laos, the Japanese puppet section. This article is a split since the original one contains 2 entities, but the name only implies 1. Daeva Trạc (talk) 11:16, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

The info was from Misplaced Pages itself (see French protectorate of Laos#Laos during World War II and French protectorate of Laos#Japanese puppet state. The point of this article is to separate with the unrelated one (French Laos and Japanese Laos were different entities). Just like we have a separate article for Japanese Vietnam and Japanese Cambodia. Daeva Trạc (talk) 11:28, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@BoyTheKingCanDance my point is if the info is “wrong” and should be deleted, so does the original article. I haven’t sited it, but it doesn’t mean I won’t, though it is my fault for not putting the In use code. Daeva Trạc (talk) 11:51, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Greater Turkey map

While a map depicting the interredist claims on the territories of neighboring countries can be helpful for the readers in understanding the subject, Misplaced Pages requires that any information, including such maps, are always sourced for the needs of verifiability. I have removed the map on the grounds that it lacked any reliable sources. Feel free to restore the edits if any WP:RS are provided. Thanks and have a good day. - ❖ SilentResident ❖ 20:15, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Ok. Daeva Trạc (talk) 20:18, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Just to be sure, can you check if this is valid enough (extremists’ sources are considered not reliable but I managed to find a news website), @SilentResident. Daeva Trạc (talk) 21:13, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Sorry but the map shown on the news website you pointed to, doesn't verify your map; is quite different to the one you have created. It includes areas your map doesn't, and excludes areas yours does include. If, and only if, you make the necessary adjustments to your work, and WP:CITE the source, then yes, your map may be used in Misplaced Pages. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ 18:45, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Please don't add flags, maps, and unsourced or badly sourced info

According to WP:UGC, you cannot add primarily user generated content as sources. This includes blogs such as wordpress, tumblr, or personal sites. Misplaced Pages as well. You cannot source using Misplaced Pages. Many of the maps you add are made by yourself and sourced with the above content, citing only wiki pages and UGC with no real source as to where the maps came from. The map you added at Hồng Bàng dynasty for example should not be there regardless of source since it is a legendary entity, especially one that is so poorly sourced in the page itself. You also shouldn't directly translate info from other language wikis to the English version when there are no sources. The names you added to Baiyue are not mentioned in the article at all. Qiushufang (talk) 04:22, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

It was mentioned until the deletion, but if you prefer, I will also add Chinese, Vietnamese, and if possible, English non-Wiki sources.

Maps are made from information provided, I didn’t make those up, just based on what I could find (Hong Bang dynasty is basically a mythical entity already, so why try to delete one myth and not the another?)

I also listed Misplaced Pages sources because there are usually outside sources inside, and it’s also away for Wikipedian to check their own information (if one is considered wrong, so should the other).

Anyway, will update more sources for my maps and the Wikis themselves later on. Daeva Trạc (talk) 04:30, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

The primary problem here is not the language of the sources, although EN wiki does prefer English sources, it is that the sources are either non-existence (ex. names added to Baiyue), UGC like wordpress, and do not reflect the content such as the map. Literally none of the sources at , which consist of dead images, UGC blogs such as wordpress and facebook, and a shady unprotected site, reflect the map. The previous sections on your talk should have made this clear. Qiushufang (talk) 04:46, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Sure, you need more sources, I will add more, this thing is kind of a common information in my place, so I just tried to get what closest to me (#). Links or pictures of books can also be provided if you insist. And for the previous section, you see, nationalists, especially the extremist ones, tend to spread their ideals in their own language, and in places such as social media (unreliable right?). And like you, the person before wanted reliable-readable sources and unfortunately, what I could find couldn’t be acceptable.— Daeva Trạc (talk) 05:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Nope, I haven’t add any unsourced flags is blatant deflection. The flag you added in this edit literally has "fictional flag" in its name while the source is a blog that doesn't even show the flag it's supposed to support. So it does have a source, one which does not support the content, is not reliable, and admits in its title that it is fictional. Your persistence in WP:IDHT is concerning and may be grounds for admin action. Qiushufang (talk) 07:06, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

True, it had an infobox, and my old self usually fill in as I thought it represent the fractions more clearly. But hey, my points still stand aren’t they? Since you haven’t even replied to most of my arguments (it would be childish to use one of my mistake to discredit all the others arguments). And as you stated: Your persistence in WP:IDHT is concerning and may be grounds for admins action. If there are no other arguments for the Baiyue or the Hồng Bàng (which will be either delete all the unsourced maps and claimed that may contain major information of the articles, or simply stop deleting things based on your person thought (at least keep the names, they aren’t even wrong)— Daeva Trạc (talk) 07:17, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

@Qiushufang

First section: I did about an internet-based self-claimed Nazist party, but had to delete due to unnecessary

Second section: have you even read? I literally copy down from Misplaced Pages and that guy claimed I made things up, which then I added sources that come from the exact Wikipage

Third section: as I mentioned above

Fourth section: you deleted names (that have been written in various sources included in Misplaced Pages) and maps (that have more sources than those maps here. Then attacked me for some things I did in the past.

You are an extended user, I just simply give you my arguments and you demonized me? — Daeva Trạc (talk) 07:36, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

I do not see a change in behavior to warrant describing the edit as the action of an "old self". This is the fourth time somebody has come to your page to warn you of the exact same behavior. Three times in the past two months. Qiushufang (talk)

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3. Nope, I haven’t add any unsourced flags, maps are based on the sources that Misplaced Pages also uses. And if legendary is “bad sources”, then the article itself should go