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| *The speedy deletion is partly due to the fact that I didn't notice that it was already at AfD. I think it qualifies for A7 because the one line "Formed in 1962 that claims to be one of the longest-running bands in the world.", which is not even a real sentence but appears to say that the ''band'' claims that distinction, not that it is in fact the longest-running band in the world, is not a ''credible'' claim of significance. The only other material in the article is the discography, which consists of two albums (I'm guessing albums because of the way they're formatted but have no idea really), one from 1995 and the other from 2004. What happened to all the years from 1962 to 1995 and from 2004 to the present? Finally, the article has zero sources, not even a website for the band, and everyone and their mother can get a website for a band, even if the members (no list of the members in the article) never get any further than their garage. Anyway, {{U|Park3r}}, you seem to be the most upset over the deletion, so I'll leave it to you. Three options and you choose: (1) I'll restore the article and reverse the AfD so it can continue; (2) I'll restore the article as a draft for you and anyone else to work on; or (3) I'll do nothing. Let me know.--] (]) 13:53, 30 June 2023 (UTC) | *The speedy deletion is partly due to the fact that I didn't notice that it was already at AfD. I think it qualifies for A7 because the one line "Formed in 1962 that claims to be one of the longest-running bands in the world.", which is not even a real sentence but appears to say that the ''band'' claims that distinction, not that it is in fact the longest-running band in the world, is not a ''credible'' claim of significance. The only other material in the article is the discography, which consists of two albums (I'm guessing albums because of the way they're formatted but have no idea really), one from 1995 and the other from 2004. What happened to all the years from 1962 to 1995 and from 2004 to the present? Finally, the article has zero sources, not even a website for the band, and everyone and their mother can get a website for a band, even if the members (no list of the members in the article) never get any further than their garage. Anyway, {{U|Park3r}}, you seem to be the most upset over the deletion, so I'll leave it to you. Three options and you choose: (1) I'll restore the article and reverse the AfD so it can continue; (2) I'll restore the article as a draft for you and anyone else to work on; or (3) I'll do nothing. Let me know.--] (]) 13:53, 30 June 2023 (UTC) | ||
| == ] undeletion request == | |||
| In , you deleted the page for ] on ] grounds. Since then, the musician has had an album on the ]<ref>{{Cite web |title=Tobi Lou Biography, Music & News |url=https://www.billboard.com/artist/tobi-lou/ |access-date=2023-06-30 |website=Billboard |language=en-US}}</ref>, so he now reaches the ]. Is it possible to restore the page? I am planning on creating the page, but would prefer to build off the existing page, if possible. | |||
Revision as of 14:35, 30 June 2023
Personal attack and false accusations
A user named BangaloreNorth is attacking me personally by saying I have lost shame and self respect. They are also falsely accusing me of being a sockpuppet, when the investigation has not even concluded. Please take action against them. Here is the link of the discussion where they attacked me just now: Wiki discussion. Cinephile4ever 10:28, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- If you believe that BangaloreNorth has violated WP:NPA, then you should bring them to WP:ANI.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:37, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- I reported in the page you asked me to 4 days before, here's the link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Personal_attack
- Other users too have acknowledged that user's personal attack on me. When will any administrator take action? Cinephile4ever 04:34, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Query
What did you mean when you said "do not change the status of the case without explaining what you're doing in the report and why". I do not quite understand. The original status was CUrequest before the cases were merged. Where and how should I explain what I am doing? What report? When you are saying something, make it clear.
(BangaloreNorth (talk) 14:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC))
Help
Good evening! I need your help as an administrator. Recently, an article I wrote was deleted because there were not enough independent sources. It was called "Stips (Israeli website)", see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Stips_(Israeli_website). I worked on it really hard and I would like to request to restore it to the draft namespace. I promise not to move it to the namespace as an article until I find more suitable sources and all the problems regarding the notability and sourcing will be resolved. Thanks! אוהד בר-און (talk) 19:24, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Band 'O Gypsys speedy deletion
I don't think this met the criteria for A7, since there was a claim of significance being "one of the longest running bands in the world" or some such thing. I also found a Google Books source ("History of Contemporary Music of South Africa - Part 1 - Page 7") that states "They play heavy Hendrix - ZZ Top influenced music and have been around for years . Originally , they were known as the Sasons . They live on a farm , outside Johannesburg and are living proof to the maxim - " you never get old with rock ..." There also appears to be a significant fan base, I found this YouTube video that calls them the "Godfathers of South African Rock", and the fan base uses superlatives like "legendary", and there's a biography about 19 seconds in. I think it should have gone to a full AFD, potentially after a move to Band O' Gypsys. It's annoying that they ripped off a Jimmy Hendrix song as the name of the band, which is what makes searching for them difficult so I'll excuse the evident lack of WP:BEFORE, and it's possible that the misplaced apostrophe in the article title was a clumsy attempt at disambiguation. The user who added the speedy deletion tag has stated that the article will "end up in red after a week". That may well be the case, but it should still go to a full AfD, there's no way that an editor with six months of experience (or any other) should be making such calls on their own without a clear basis in policy. Park3r (talk) 02:49, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- I don't see a problem with this as someone disconnected from the request. There has to be more than passing mentions about the band. I ran a search through Google and other resources and I believe there is still not enough resources to establish that this is a notable band in South Africa. I tried searching through South African resources as well and the only resource that gave any coverage was Amuzine. I did see an audio interview in a rock station's playlist, but the interview was not linked. I think that could help establish things further. Other helpful resources if they could be found are newspaper articles in microfiche or newspaper archives, considering they started sometime in the 1960s. The video interviews are not enough to establish support as they are biased towards the band. Album sales numbers could help support the statements, but I could not locate them easily. Requesting that it be put in the draft space and then working on finding more resources might be the better option. Inomyabcs (talk) 09:00, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- At the risk of getting into a slippery slope argument, your comment should be a delete vote in a proper AFD, or we may as well discard the process and allow individual nominators to take down articles. The criteria for speedy deletes are limited, and this nomination seems to have not met them. Park3r (talk) 09:14, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not going to speak for Bbb23, but between the administrator review and the original proposal (assuming good faith). Two eyes looked at it and said there isn't enough there. The burden for speedy delete is would it be reasonable that other editors would view it the same way:
I have just shown that I believe the same through giving you my due diligence. If it had gone to AfD, I would have done the same. In all probability, we would end up at the same result and you got your answer much quicker. Which is also a point in speedy deletion, "Speedy deletion is intended to reduce the time spent on deletion discussions for pages or media with no practical chance of surviving discussion." Not trying to make it a slippery slope, but just showing that in your specific case, there needs to be more and I'm not the only one that shares that view. Inomyabcs (talk) 09:39, 30 June 2023 (UTC)However, editors may propose the deletion of a page if they believe that it would be an uncontroversial candidate for deletion.
- You used criterion A7, when the article had a WP:CCOS, which is a misapplication of that criterion. Furthermore, you're conflating WP:PROD with WP:SPEEDY. Your quote "However, editors may propose the deletion of a page if they believe that it would be an uncontroversial candidate for deletion" links to WP:PROD, not WP:SPEEDY. Park3r (talk) 09:46, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- We can go around in circles all day. I'll just leave it to Bbb23 to respond, if they desire. Inomyabcs (talk) 09:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- You used criterion A7, when the article had a WP:CCOS, which is a misapplication of that criterion. Furthermore, you're conflating WP:PROD with WP:SPEEDY. Your quote "However, editors may propose the deletion of a page if they believe that it would be an uncontroversial candidate for deletion" links to WP:PROD, not WP:SPEEDY. Park3r (talk) 09:46, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not going to speak for Bbb23, but between the administrator review and the original proposal (assuming good faith). Two eyes looked at it and said there isn't enough there. The burden for speedy delete is would it be reasonable that other editors would view it the same way:
- At the risk of getting into a slippery slope argument, your comment should be a delete vote in a proper AFD, or we may as well discard the process and allow individual nominators to take down articles. The criteria for speedy deletes are limited, and this nomination seems to have not met them. Park3r (talk) 09:14, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- The speedy deletion is partly due to the fact that I didn't notice that it was already at AfD. I think it qualifies for A7 because the one line "Formed in 1962 that claims to be one of the longest-running bands in the world.", which is not even a real sentence but appears to say that the band claims that distinction, not that it is in fact the longest-running band in the world, is not a credible claim of significance. The only other material in the article is the discography, which consists of two albums (I'm guessing albums because of the way they're formatted but have no idea really), one from 1995 and the other from 2004. What happened to all the years from 1962 to 1995 and from 2004 to the present? Finally, the article has zero sources, not even a website for the band, and everyone and their mother can get a website for a band, even if the members (no list of the members in the article) never get any further than their garage. Anyway, Park3r, you seem to be the most upset over the deletion, so I'll leave it to you. Three options and you choose: (1) I'll restore the article and reverse the AfD so it can continue; (2) I'll restore the article as a draft for you and anyone else to work on; or (3) I'll do nothing. Let me know.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:53, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
Tobi Lou undeletion request
In August 2021, you deleted the page for Tobi Lou on A7 grounds. Since then, the musician has had an album on the Billboard charts, so he now reaches the notability criteria. Is it possible to restore the page? I am planning on creating the page, but would prefer to build off the existing page, if possible.
- "Tobi Lou Biography, Music & News". Billboard. Retrieved 2023-06-30.