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Question from Hopeghostlurker2435158128 (20:40, 21 July 2023)

I'm not really a new Wikipedian and frankly, my experience since creating this account made me regret coming back. However, a friend who was interested in my article drafts kept track and notified me about an update on Draft: Rodaun and honestly it breaks my brain to such a degree that I thought I'd at least reach out to you for some clarification. How does En:Misplaced Pages come to the conclusion that Rodaun is not a notable topic when there is an article on it the de.wiki which is where most of the "unreliable" sources come from? I apologize for the crankiness and thank you in advance. --Hopeghostlurker2435158128 (talk) 20:40, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

@Hopeghostlurker2435158128 Not only do different language Wikipedias have different standards of notability, but articles often fall through the cracks due to the sheer number of them. That's why one language Misplaced Pages might have an article that the English Misplaced Pages lacks, or vice versa. I dream of horses 20:47, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick response. Please feel free to delete Draft: Rodaun and Draft:Karl Albert von Bombelles to free up space before the sixth month mark as I will not be contributing to them further. Misplaced Pages is just not a place I find welcoming or unbiased and I guess that will never change. Again, thank you for your response. Hopeghostlurker2435158128 (talk) 21:38, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

@Hopeghostlurker2435158128 Draft:Rodaun has been edited by other people; Draft:Karl Albert von Bombelles has been extensively edited by other people. Because of that, they don't qualify for a self-requested deletion. Deleting the drafts wouldn't save any server space, anyways. "Deletion" just hides edits from public view; they don't actually delete anything from the server. We're able to restore drafts because of this, if it's justified within policy.

Besides, you threatened to leave over a month ago (on June 1st), but returned. WP:REFUND is a thing (again, "deletion" doesn't actually delete anything), but if we wait six months, you won't have to do anything if you decide to return. I dream of horses 23:26, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Brucemanhood (13:20, 25 July 2023)

Hi there mentor! I'm surprised that there isn't a page for a UK music band who caused a minor furore in 2019. I've created a test one in my sandbox area (or, at least that's where I think I created it, fingers crossed) and I would love it if you could check it over and advise on anything to change before I try to create it as an actual public page: https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Brucemanhood

Thanks Bruce --Brucemanhood (talk) 13:20, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

@Brucemanhood Actually, that's your userpage, but it's okay that you put it there.

So, you'll have to realize Misplaced Pages is a tertiary source that relies on secondary sources that have gone through editorial oversight. I've looked at the sources in your draft: This one doesn't fully load, this one might be a press release (no credit to a specific journalist, ends with "They're still scheduled to perform," etc.) so might not have gone through editorial oversight, this one obviously hasn't gone through editorial oversight, this one and this one are dead links. This one is okay, though.

I suspect the band may not be noted enough for an article, particurly since they've been noted only for one event; given the fact that the band has largely received negative reception, they may not actually want an article, anyways. I've given you a welcome template, which contains links to tasks you can do instead. I dream of horses 17:03, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks very much for replying to me with good advice. I had those links saved from another time, so I'm sorry that I've also now found one dead link and one behind a paywall (the first article to break the story) - the others work fine for me. The band kind of wear this incident as a badge of honour to be honest, so I think they wouldn't mind having an article written about it. The thing that confuses me with[REDACTED] sometimes is that I've seen lots of pages for very minor bands or musicians which just detail a couple of releases or some such - so I kind of expected that an article about a band who have releases plus a whole bunch of press references (though I note the lack of editorial control on one, it was just a key piece of evidence) would be suitable material for a wiki page. Would you say it would work better if it had less details, removing many of the evidential links? Brucemanhood (talk) 08:17, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

@Brucemanhood You're using poor quality articles to the justify the existence of your own. If you find an article on Misplaced Pages that's poorly sourced, it's better to try to find better sources. If you can't, nominate it for deletion yourself (procedural deletions for old articles, articles for deletion for new articles and contested procedural deletions) instead of using such an article to justify the one you're creating.

Besides, not everyone wants an article. Sometimes, people even change their minds. I had someones PR agent contact me about someone who changed careers from "entertainer" to "therapist;" she wanted to have her article deleted because she didn't want her clients looking up her former life. It was too late by then. She qualified for a Misplaced Pages article; that had already been established ("Notability is not temporary".) Even if the article had been deleted, there are websites that copy and paste from Misplaced Pages, and we can't force them to delete articles because of how Misplaced Pages is copyrighted. Her clients will always be able to look her up. Even if the band members think of the entire incident as a badge of honor now, they might not later. I dream of horses 14:52, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Six years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:04, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from David.Hyman1968 (11:27, 30 July 2023)

will this be published - https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Andrew_Kidd --David.Hyman1968 (talk) 11:27, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

When a reviewer gets to it. This could be anywhere from "within the next half hour" to "a few months." I dream of horses 17:24, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

@David.Hyman1968 Wait. I misunderstood. I thought you meant when the draft will be published, you meant if it'll be published. When a reviewer comes along, they will review the sources; if the sources are reliable, it could be published, but otherwise, it won't be. I dream of horses 17:26, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for responding. Is there anything you would recommend from your initial view? David.Hyman1968 (talk) 21:32, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

@David.Hyman1968 Is there any secondary coverage outside of the bookselling sphere? I dream of horses 00:17, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

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