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Inquiry about CA.Pradeep Kumar Bhati or Pradeep Bhati page

Hi, 1. I wanted to know the current status of pages with name CA.Pradeep kumar Bhati or Pradeep Bhati on wikipedia? 2. Since how long the page is pending for any approval and the reason of the delay? 3. How this page issue could be resolved and it can be published as earliest? 4. If there are multiple pages than please verfiy and publish the right source page. 5. The information about the Official Spokesperson is available of Samajwadi Party website itself. There are over 50 debates available in different national channels of India. What else you want to check? please see all the links provided and these are all available in consolidation form (official page of Facebook, Instagram, Twitter accounts of the Pradeep Bhati)? CA. Pradeep Kumar Bhati (talk) 11:06, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

User:CA. Pradeep Kumar Bhati, the current status of both "CA.Pradeep kumar Bhati" and "Pradeep Bhati" is "doesn't exist". Nonexistent pages aren't awaiting approval (or anything else). Are they perhaps drafts? "Draft:CA.Pradeep kumar Bhati" doesn't exist, but "Draft:Pradeep Bhati" does. The current status of the latter seems to be "moribund": it was declined, but since then no attempt has been made to improve it (or resubmit it). As for your fifth question, are you familiar with the requirement for what Misplaced Pages understands to be "reliable sources"? -- Hoary (talk) 11:23, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Dear CA. Pradeep Kumar Bhati,

Thank you for your effort. Besides what User:Hoary has said, I would like to point out that your username is very similar to "CA.Pradeep Kumar Bhati" and "Pradeep Bhati". If you have a conflict of interest, you are expected to disclose it–you may do it on your user page. Please see WP:COI for more information.

It also seems that you are writing about a person related to a political party. If you are paid to create or edit the articles you mentioned, you also must disclose it. Please see WP:PAY for more information.

Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 12:01, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Dear Sir, Username resemble but I am neither paid or directly associated with him. I disclose and reassure that any information uploaded is based on facts and information available in public domain

Thanks CA. Pradeep Kumar Bhati (talk) 02:38, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello CA Pradeep Kumar Bhati.

If your account name closely resembles a living person, and you are not that person (as you disclose in your previous comment), you may be/are likely at risk of violating WP:MISLEADNAME or WP:IMPERSONATE.

You should probably confirm whether you are or aren't that person, as if you aren't said person you risk being blocked. PenguinPhone (talk) 08:53, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

"Reliable souces"

I created a draft article for Ibragim Suleymanov https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Ibragim_Suleymanov a recipient of the title People's Hero of Kazakhstan which is a clear and undeniable notability qualifier. I was more than a little worried because I know very well about Wikipedias anti-Central Asian bias and history of rejecting highly notable Central Asians for articles simply because they don't have English name recognition. None of the websites I cited in my article are prohibted, they are major Kazakh press entities. Just because you haven't heard of a source and don't know who to use google translate doesn't mean that a source is unreliable. This anti-Kazakh bias festering in Misplaced Pages is unnjustifiable. How would you feel if an article for Colonel Paris D. Davis was rejected in Kazakh Misplaced Pages on the grounds that American sources like CNN and Washington post weren't reliable and Kazakhs felt it wasn't worth giving him an article since he doesn't have Kazakh media about him? Misplaced Pages needs more anti-bias training. I knew it that the second I used the word Kazakh it would be treated differently than if I wrote about an American of similar status. Орта жүздің Ноқта ағасы Тарақты шежіресі is a reliable source and used in the Russian article. e-history.kz is cited often in english wikipedia and there is nothing unreliable about it. Жамбыл Жабаев творчествосы is a reliable book source for the poetry of Jambul. soviet-aces-1936-53.ru is cited in dozens if not hundreds of other Misplaced Pages articles about non-Kazakhs, but now that its in an article about a Kazakh it's not reliable enough? What about Aikyn.kz is unreliable? Should we declare the NYT not reliable because it isn't in Kazakh. I will share the news of this rejection on my social media, I highly doubt other Kazakhs will be amused by this. I would like to remind you how the Uzbeks feel about the time that another anti-Central Asian editor rejected Toshmuhammed Sarimsoqov's article because apparently being head of the national academy of sciences and recipient of the highest Soviet civilian honor isn't enough for an Uzbek to be worth an article. I demand a better expanation that "unreliable sources" because that is clearly not the problem here.--KazyKazyKazakhstan (talk) 12:08, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy pinging @DoubleGrazing who was the reviewer for this draft. Hopefully they can help explain the declination. I will just note, @KazyKazyKazakhstan, please don't make vague threats about sharing your grievance on social media- that isn't very constructive. Qcne (talk) 12:18, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

(Am I the only one who has no idea who Colonel Paris D. Davis is?) FeRDNYC (talk) 20:33, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

It is not illegal to complain about article rejection on social media. The US constitution protects freedom of speech which includes the right to complain about unjust rejection of Kazakhs and wrongfully declaring many major Kazakh newspapers and books to be unreliable — Preceding unsigned comment added by KazyKazyKazakhstan (talk • contribs) 12:20, 30 July 2023 (UTC) Misplaced Pages does not have the legal authority to arrest people for complaining about Misplaced Pages on twitter Misplaced Pages is not owned by the American government at least not officially. It is completely legal under American and Kazakh law to complain about Misplaced Pages article rejection.

Firstly- please remember to sign your comments so we can track who is saying what.

Let's take a step back and breathe- this is obviously an important topic for you but I think we should Misplaced Pages:Assume good faith and be careful that you don't resort to personal attacks.

Your article was only declined, not rejected, which shows that it can still be considered! Let's wait for the reviewer to pass some specific feedback, and hopefully we can then understand why they declined the article and what you can do to improve it. Qcne (talk) 12:26, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

I would just add that "Freedom of speech" is irrelevant here. Like many people, you misunderstand what is meant by freedom of speech. To quote from that article: free speech ... prevents only government restrictions on speech, not restrictions imposed by private individuals or businesses such as Misplaced Pages. In other words, people can't write on Misplaced Pages whatever they like. Shantavira| 12:50, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Speaking of constructive how is wrongfully declaring so many major and popular Kazakh newspapers and books to be unreliable not unconstructive? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KazyKazyKazakhstan (talk • contribs) How would you feel if Kazakh Misplaced Pages rejected an article about a really famous American like Desmond Doss because it felt that the major american newspapers and history books werent good enough for Kazakh Misplaced Pages?--KazyKazyKazakhstan (talk) 12:33, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

@KazyKazyKazakhstan: firstly, I would ask that you try to remain civil, and avoid wild accusations and baseless claims of bias and discrimination; Misplaced Pages is a collaborative effort, and such an adversarial attitude is not conducive to collaboration.

I didn't say that Kazakh-language sources are unacceptable. I didn't even say that all the sources cited in this draft are non-reliable. However, I would say that half of the draft content is not referenced in any obvious way, and a couple of the sources cited did not seem relevant and/or reliable, leaving a significant proportion of the information potentially unsupported.

But now that you have resubmitted the draft (without making any improvements, I might add), you have the opportunity to have it reviewed again by someone else. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:38, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

@KazyKazyKazakhstan: as a tangent comment, now that you have re-submitted the draft, I encourage you to take off the first paragraph "This person and historical books." It is better to put this paragraph in the talk page of the article. I believe that your draft is more likely to pass without this paragraph. Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 12:48, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

But if I dont put it there somebody certainly will think that the title Peoples Hero of Kazakhstan isn't evidence of notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KazyKazyKazakhstan (talk • contribs) 12:49, 30 July 2023 (UTC) Uncited? Every paragraph has citations and I have added more citations now. Every statement of fact is verified by one or more of the sources I used. I fail to see how ANY of the sources are irrelevant because all of them mention Suleymanov by name. You still haven't said which of the sources I used are not reliable, and i reiterate that they are not samizdat but these are major sources used in many other wikipedia articles--KazyKazyKazakhstan (talk) 12:41, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

If you take a moment to stop ranting and complaining about perceived injustices, you will note that your draft has already been accepted. Theroadislong (talk) 13:08, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Don’t you just love it when, instead of trying to improve their article, an editor just tries to blame it on the “anti-Central Asian” editors? Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 17:43, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Adding new pages

I Opened my Misplaced Pages account to add pages to few topics that interests me, but I got rejected. Did not know what exactly would count as a solid reference for the topics that I am writing for.

I am writing about Ivy (Machine Learning), it's a new framework that aims to unify AI, something similar to Keras, when I wrote the article, it asked me for reference but was not sure what reference would be accepted for that. Can you point me to some trustworthy resource? A0m0rajab (talk) 16:28, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello A0m0rajab,

Thank you for coming to the teahouse. It is the responsibility of you, the editor, to find reliable sources as references for any article you wish to create. The criteria of a reliable source can be seen here at Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources and Misplaced Pages:Verifiability. For example, according to Misplaced Pages:Verifiability, "academic and peer-reviewed publications are usually the most reliable sources on topics such as history, medicine, and science."

I am assuming that you are new to Misplaced Pages. Please then also see Help:Referencing for beginners.

Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 16:52, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi @A0m0rajab,

Take a look at WP:RS on identifying reliable sources. I'd recommend creating a draft, and at the top of the page, you'll see a box with various tools, including links to find sources, see Template: Find sources. If you can't find reliable secondary sources, you should consider whether the article is WP:NOTAvle enough to have its own article. I'll see if I can find sources for you. NotAGenious (talk) 16:52, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your answers, my main issue is that, I might add a resource and it would be rejected. I will check the links you provided to understand the situation. Thanks. A0m0rajab (talk) 17:02, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

A0m0rajab Draft:Ivy was Declined (not Rejected). Do not resubmit until after you add valid references. Given newness of Ivy, WP:TOOSOON may apply. David notMD (talk) 18:27, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer, I will wait then till I add that article. A0m0rajab (talk) 09:32, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Who is this "The Best Known For IP?"

What happened to him on Misplaced Pages that made him rage a war for nearly the past decade?

Do we know what he seeks to accomplished by making numerous accounts?

Do we know any details about him IRL like if he worked for Wikimedia?

Is there anything more we can do to stop him?

This rabbit hole goes so far it would take me hours to get a clear picture this. UnironicEditor (talk) 04:04, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, UnironicEditor. Please read Misplaced Pages:Long-term abuse/Best known for IP. Cullen328 (talk) 04:13, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Just because it's worth making this point as clearly as possible: Do we know any details about him IRL like if he worked for Wikimedia? No, we don't (meaning the larger community as a whole), and attempting to uncover such information or making it public would be WP:OUTING, and is a sanction-worthy offense. Even with vandals. FeRDNYC (talk) 20:24, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Draft rejected needs review assistance

I am currently working on the Wiki biography of Fela Akinse , and the article draft have been decline two times because despite what I would have considered significantly improvement based on initial rejection.

It hurts to see My draft rejected but feel he pass notability because He is a member of Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers should pass WP:NACADEMIC#3 See or and they are good source for WP:GNG aswell along with .And WP:CREATIVE #2 for his invention which received significant recommendations from Nigeria immediate past president see and also a good potential for WP: Basic aswel.

Kindly review, and help give me more specific recommendations. I have added additional references and adjustments along with other experience editors, even after the second draft decline.Bruce954 (talk) 09:36, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Bruce954.

Ironically I think you've now fallen into the trap of Misplaced Pages:Citation overkill. Could you give us just the three best sources which are independent of Fela, from reliable places, are secondary, and discuss Fela in detail or provide analysis / interpretation?

Note your draft has only been declined, not rejected. Qcne (talk) 12:32, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Qcne Thank you for your positive response, kindly see this as requested. . Please kindly note, I also have an argument above of him pass notability for WP: BASIC , WP: GNG , WP:CREATIVE, WP:NACADEMIC . Bruce954 (talk) 13:08, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

@Bruce954, the first diff is to IEEE, which is affiliated with Mr. Akinse (because as you say he's a member). What we need to see are three that constitute all of the following:

1. Independent (not affiliated in any way)
2. Reliable (in general the minimum standard is evidence of editorial oversight)
3. Significant coverage

Which three (and only three; if you provide five, and we check the first one, and it doesn't qualify, a lot of folks won't even look at the rest) constitute this? Valereee (talk) 22:40, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

I Valereee appreciate your response, please kindly see and please, kindly note , I have an argument above aswel which can also be considered. Bruce954 (talk) 00:38, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

I would say that the Nigerian Tribune is a good source, but The Nation seems a bit promotional in nature- especially the list of random facts at the bottom. I wonder how or why that article was created? Vanguard could be a good source too, but is a little short. Ideally you'd want to see some interpretation and analysis of Fela's activities- these three sources have a hint of promotion about them. Qcne (talk) 11:04, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

• I Qcne appreciate your kind response, please kindly see this additional source. . Please don't forget my argument above. Thank you.Bruce954 (talk) 08:12, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

  The Sun and Tribune again seem a little promotional, but might be okay as sources. Add them and see what the reviewers say. ClimAccelerator seems to just be a promotional interview so wouldn't meet the Misplaced Pages:Independent sources threshold.

  You still need to be careful about your citation overkill.

  Looking at your arguments above:

  - I don't think Fela passess Misplaced Pages:Notability (academics) just by being a member of IEEE or getting one of their awards: the award criteria mentions "highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level". I'm not sure the IEEE Entrepreneurship Stars award is this- but happy to defer to an Editor with more knowledge.

  - Fela doesn't pass Misplaced Pages:CREATIVE yet- an endorsement from a past President isn't one of the criteria. If his invention receives significant attention then perhaps, but it is likely Misplaced Pages:TOOSOON. Qcne (talk) 09:09, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Improving draft article on K-crossover music group CREZL

Dear Teahouse community, I have gotten very helpful comments from editors here on my Draft:Crezl. As I continue to improve the draft and wait for approval, may I get some additional feedback from experienced reviewers? Many thanks in advance. Echohk (talk) 14:54, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

@Echohk I can't read any of the citations, owing to my lack of language skills but one immediate issue is that you have included many external links in the body of the article. that's a no-no: WP:ELPOINTS. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:25, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Also, it is standard practice to include the English translation of the titles of your citations, using the |trans-title parameter that's available in {{cite news}}, for example. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:28, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Regarding the translation, this is the very reason I initiated writing a Wiki article. There is a lot of foreign language content, but none in English. I looked at another Wiki page for some guidance (Forestella, which is also a crossover group borne out of the Phantom Singer show, like Crezl). They had predominately Korean language articles and cited in Korean, not a English translation. Could you provide some advice? Thank you so much. Echohk (talk) 12:39, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your feedback. I removed the external links in the table. I believe I have now only internal links to other wiki articles in the body of the article. Echohk (talk) 12:35, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Tone of writing

I have created the entry for Bridget Lancaster & am being told it is held up because of tone. It's confusing because I am not seeing the language that is 'PR' or promotional. Advise please. Geraldine Aino (talk) 15:08, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

This presumably refers to puffery like Her commitment bringing people together and making a positive impact on society has earned her respect within the culinary world, which does not appear in the cited source. Shantavira| 15:19, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

@Geraldine Aino The reviewers seem to think that Lancaster is notable as defined by Misplaced Pages, so you should persist with the draft but need to read WP:NPOV and WP:BLP to see the relevant policies which you must comply with in your re-write. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:22, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Geraldine, I went through and removed the promotional stuff, but on a quick spot check, source 5 doesn't even mention Boston or West Virginia? Am I missing something? Valereee (talk) 18:39, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Geraldine Aino. Let me start by saying that I enjoy cooking shows and am very familiar with this cook/performer. I think that she is probably notable and the encyclopedia would be better off with an article about her. But I want to raise another issue. Notability is established by providing references to reliable, independent sources that devote significant coverage to the topic. Lancaster is a star on the PBS network, and the majority of your references are to PBS and to various of its member stations. Essentially, these sources are promoting their own broadcast content. So, I encourage you to provide more references to sources that are entirely independent of PBS. Cullen328 (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for that Cullen but seems PBS stars are not that publicly covered. I cite her colleague Christopher Kimball's page, who was also a founding member of the shows. It is difficult for me to understand the policy of determining notability strictly based on independent press. This is an example of where this policy is flawed IMO. Geraldine Aino (talk) 14:23, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

How do we design our usernames?

I see some usernames which are kind of designed with emojis, colors, fonts etc. How can I do the same thing to my username? Flag Creator (talk) 15:36, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

hi @Flag Creator and welcome to the teahouse! that is the signature of a user, which you may decorate with some knowledge of Cascading Style Sheets: see Custom signatures for some guidelines and tips on this. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 15:38, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

I am getting confused. Everytime I do that, it's not working. Can you show an example? Flag Creator (talk) 15:55, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

If you scroll down in Special:Preferences, you will see a section where you can input custom signatures. Make sure to check the "Treat the above as wiki markup." button. If unchecked, your custom signature will appear broken. Ca 16:09, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Signatures#Customizing_your_signature for more detailed help. (Oh, never mind, Melecie already linked there. Sorry!) FeRDNYC (talk) 20:18, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

watchlist management

what is a good way to organize your watchlist in order to best use that thing, i don't really know what people use it for or how to organize it so it isnt just a mess Iljhgtn (talk) 23:57, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Iljhgtn, I've never attempted to organize my watchlist, I just check it regularly to see what recent changes have been made to the articles I'm watching -- those that I originally created or did a lot of edits on, and those on a subject that particularly interests me. I use it to see what's happening with favorite articles. Sometimes I notice the person that added information isn't an expert on English grammar, so I'll do a little copyediting to make a sentence easier to understand. Other times I'm just pleased that good referenced information has been added. Some editors may keep track of articles that have been vandalized, or ones that often have a well-intentioned person adding details that aren't referenced. The edits may need to be reverted. I hope this helps you know what a watchlist can be used for. Karenthewriter (talk) 02:31, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Personally, I have two reasons why articles are on my watchlist:

1. Articles I have a continuing interest in monitoring. These are permanently on the list, because I want to know anything that goes on with them.
2. Articles I have edited, just because I noticed something I could do to improve them (eg spelling corrections, formatting, referencing), but which I don't have a long-term interest in, I add to my watchlist for a week or a month, just in case someone points out a problem with what I've done.

How much you add to your watchlist will depend on how 'busy' (frequently changed) the articles are, and how many notifications you want to receive each day. -- Verbarson  _edits 12:04, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Fortaleza percentage typo?

https://en.wikipedia.org/Fortaleza#Politics

In the linked article.

"(26,457% of the total state)"

Is it supposed to be 26.457%?

I was looking up cities near the equator that are at sea level.

75.142.254.3 (talk) 02:25, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it should be using period instead of a comma per WP:DECIMAL. I fixed it. RudolfRed (talk) 02:44, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Note that the comma is used for this in several European languages, so it may not be a typo, so much as a writer unaware of the conventions in English. ColinFine (talk) 19:02, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Primate cities typo?

"Fortaleza, along with Recife and Salvador, is a considered one of the primate cities of Northeast Region."

Am I missing something? Primate cities? Primary cities?

https://en.wikipedia.org/Fortaleza#Politics

75.142.254.3 (talk) 05:51, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Primate city, but usually these kind of issues are better discussed on the article's talk page rather than here NotAGenious (talk) 06:25, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Last sentence of Lead now reads "Fortaleza is one of the three leading cities in the Northeast region together with Recife and Salvador." David notMD (talk) 06:31, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

@David notMD I've changed that section as it didn't sound right. Also I realized that my reply here got taken away by the achieve bot just as I posted it. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 06:39, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Hmm, I thought structured discussions were supposed to (at least help) protect against getting edit-conflicted with the archive bot (or any other editor)?

As for the claim that the previous version didn't sound right, beware of simply being thrown by unfamiliar vocabulary. As NotAGenious pointed out with their helpful link, "primate city" is a recognized term, and (crucially) has nothing to do with zoology; the root is the same as in "primary" or "prima donna". It may not have sounded right to you, previously, but hopefully having seen the primate city article, it now sounds right-er? FeRDNYC (talk) 19:57, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

(Also, feel free to, instead of changing the text, link primate city to that article where it first appears in the section. Presumably it wasn't already linked, because it was previously used elsewhere in the article. The rule around here used to be one wikilink per term per article, but that was recently changed to one per section.) FeRDNYC (talk) 20:03, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

I Want to Create a Misplaced Pages Page for the name of " Vision IAS "

Hi Team, I Want to Create a Misplaced Pages Page for the name of " Vision IAS " . I am having reliable source for it, such as

1. Times of India 2. Hindustan Times 3. Jagran Josh 4. Livemint 5. OP India 6. Navbhratimes 7. Indian Express

We are also doing the social work for the societies through the help of our organization names as " Paras India " ( https://www.parasindia.in/).

Also having a School in rural India named as " Global Village Foundation ( http://globalvillagefoundation.in/rdgvschool/index.html ) Infinityvision02 (talk) 06:47, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Have you read WP:YFA? It's usually strongly encouraged to make edits to existing articles (see WP:TASK) before creating a new article. NotAGenious (talk) 07:04, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Yss, I have read and understood Infinityvision02 (talk) 07:50, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Also, WP:WHATNOT, WP:NOTA, WP:42, and use critical thinking what comes to WP:TOI NotAGenious (talk) 07:09, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Infinityvision02, what makes you say "We are also doing the social work for the societies through the help of our organization names as " Paras India " ( https://www.parasindia.in/)"? -- Hoary (talk) 07:27, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Please check here are our credentials or also can go through this link ( https://www.parasindia.in/ )

PARAS INDIA was established in 2007 with the aim to transform society by uplifting and dignifying the marginalized sections of the society. With our efforts, we aim to empower the society in line with the tenets enshrined in our Constitution. We are a national level non-governmental organization which is currently working in five states in India, namely, Delhi-NCR, Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh and Bihar . Our focus areas include education, gender, counselling, awareness generation, livelihood, healthcare and disaster management. It’s our prime endeavour to bring into mainstream those who have been historically and socially sidelined. To make them an active participant in the democratic process and bring dignity to their lives.

Note: Please check our above given notable link, I hope you find it valuable for Misplaced Pages page creation.

Thanks Infinityvision02 (talk) 07:54, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Infinityvision02, the aims of your organization are of course admirable, but you are demonstrating a profound lack of understanding of this encyclopedia. For one thing, what an organization says about itself is of little or no value for an encyclopedia article about that organization. -- Hoary (talk) 08:49, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Infinityvision02, please also stop copy-pasting news headlines into articles, as you did with Pawan Munjal here. Article text needs to be written in full sentences, not in the form of newspaper headlines. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:17, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Noted Infinityvision02 (talk) 09:26, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Noted your points, but what do you think about credibility for " VisionIAS "Page Creation.

1. Times of India

2. Hindustan Times

3. Jagran Josh

4. Livemint

5. OP India

6. Navbhratimes

7. Indian Express

Note Please check and let me know your opinion

Thanks Infinityvision02 (talk) 09:31, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

The list of medias from India isn't enough. I would suggest doing the following

1. Carefully review WP:RS, WP:WISC, WP:OR and WP:NOTA to determine whether you should create the article. Articles without reliable inline citations can and will be deleted.

2. Either request an article creation at WP:AR, or

3. Create a draft using the Draft Wizard, read WP:YFA and write the article.

Also, if you have a conflict of interest, read WP:COIE NotAGenious (talk) 10:36, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Please note that The Times of India is usually considered unreliable and not independent, as they accept article submissions for payment. See Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Perennial sources for more information. Qcne (talk) 10:57, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

As you told me times of India is not a reliable source, so please also confirm me from this list which are notable or not.

Hindustan TImes

Jagran Josh

Livemint

OP India

Navbhratimes

Indian Express

MID Day

Newspatrolling

PKBnews

Rising Kashmir

Daily

Daily Excelsior

The Logical Indian

TFI Post

Newsroom Post

MP Breaking News

News Track Live

Thanks Infinityvision02 (talk) 05:48, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

The place to ask about reliability of sources is WP:RSN. Sources that have often been asked about are listed at WP:RSP, but you should also search the archives of RSN.

Note that reliability is only one of the three independent criteria by which the value of a source is evaluated: you also need to consider whether the particular item you are citing is independent of the subject of the article, and whether it contains significant coverage of the subject. Sources that don't meet these latter two requirements may sometimes be used, but they do not contribute to establishing notability, and the bulk of the sources cited should meet those criteria. ColinFine (talk) 10:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Harnessing the Dragon's Fume

Over the past half-year or so, I've dedicated my efforts to creating a page called "Draft:Harnessing the Dragon's Fume." My concern relates to meeting the requirements of WP:NBOOKS, where we are expected to have at least two separate book reviews from independent sources. Despite gathering three reviews, I received them all from the same reviewer, albeit on three distinct platforms. Now, I'm unsure if this fulfills the guidelines. Can anyone clarify if it does? RPSkokie (talk) 09:17, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. In my opinion I don't think three reviews from the same reviewer meet the requirement of two separate reviews- which I take to mean the reviews need to be from more than one person. 331dot (talk) 09:20, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. RPSkokie (talk) 09:23, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm in agreement with 331dot. You'd certainly be welcome to reference two, or even all three, reviews from the same reviewer, if they make different useful points about the book... but you'd still need to have at least one more from a different reviewer to establish notability. FeRDNYC (talk) 20:00, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Newbie: Hey and thanks in Advance...

Hiya, I'm @Sungyandy and i'm new here - Greetings from Australia!

Thought I'd drop a little hello, I'd appreciate any feedback on recent drafts i've made as i'm always looking for further ways to continue to improve my content and personally I don't feel like i'm close to publishing my first wiki's just yet...

My main focus is uploading public information on notable people and professions as well as any other factual information I compile through my exploration of studies, books and my own profession.

Thanks again, Yandy@ SungYandy (talk) SungYandy (talk) 13:05, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse and to Misplaced Pages! I see that you have a few drafts in the works right now, but I have to say it's recommended that new editors start with editing existing articles first. This is so you get acquainted with Misplaced Pages's style, referencing, and so on. I definitely recommend reading through WP:YFA and our various help pages on references - in particular, note that most everything on Misplaced Pages has to be cited to a reliable secondary source. This means that information you gather yourself in your profession is not appropriate to be added to Misplaced Pages, true as it may be. WPscatter /_c 13:28, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

SungYandy In the last few days you have started four drafts. I strongly recommend you set aside three and then work on what you think is the strongest one. Only after getting one approved should you then take what you learned about referencing and formatting to address the others. Otherwise, if you go ahead and submit four flawed drafts, you will be wasting reviewers' time. David notMD (talk) 15:15, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Eye-witness information on an article

Hi everyone,

I was looking at the article 2023 Khar bombing and saw there was a 'Reactions' section. I was reading an article on BBC news which contained a detailed eye-witness account of the bombing and there was one section which described the situation. Would an account like this from an eye-witness be suitable for that section or is it typically reserved for notable people who have reacted to the situation?

Thanks in advance SpicyTofuNoodles (talk) 13:57, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello SpicyTofuNoodles,

I think you are welcome to add this account to the article, but not in the "Reactions section". By my experience, this section is usually reserved for the views of certain individuals or groups with authority. However, the "Mr Mahir" in the account is just a witness. His views and subsequent actions after the attack wouldn't create a notable impact.

The source itself is considered reliable, since BBC news has published it. I think it will be fine if you cite the source in the body of the article, if you wish to describe the attack in more detail.

I am not a Misplaced Pages pro, so I hope some other teahouse hosts could chip in on this.

Cheers, --TheLonelyPather (talk) 14:21, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I was thinking that section was reserved for notable people or people with authority. There are other news articles from reputable outlets which have accounts from other witnesses too. I've taken a look at some similar articles and not really seen anything about eye witness accounts. The descriptions of the attacks tend to stay neutral and factual and don't include words like "devastating" etc.

Would be good to get a Misplaced Pages professional's advice on this as these topics are very sensitive in nature. SpicyTofuNoodles (talk) 14:40, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

See WP:PRIMARY; this eye witness account is essentially original material that is close to the event, and is written by someone who is directly involved by having witnessed said event. So it offers (only) an insider's view of the event, and I would be very cautious to include it in any article (there might be exceptions of course, viz the Assassination of John F. Kennedy. Lectonar (talk) 15:02, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

@SpicyTofuNoodles The BBC seems to have focused on the "doomsday scenes" aspect of the comments of the eye-witness. This is clearly just an opinion and it seems a phrase that would fail Misplaced Pages's neutrality policy. Had the witness said something specific like "I saw three male attackers" then that would be more acceptable as article content but still a WP:PRIMARY source. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:05, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Michael, really appreciate the quick and detailed response! I'll keep note of what you said if I decide to make any edits of that nature in the future. SpicyTofuNoodles (talk) 15:28, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Mass Add Pages to Watchlist

Is there any way (other than manually with much clicking) to add every linked page on a page to my watchlist? Maximilian775 (talk) 14:00, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not aware of any way to do that. Curious as to the reason you want to do that? 331dot (talk) 15:12, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Preferences > Watchlist > Edit Raw Watchlist And as per 331dot above. Why? it sounds a bit WP:OWNy - X201 (talk) 16:05, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi Maximilian775 although not adding it to your watchlist, a useful alternative is to go to the relevant page, click "related changes", then save that as a favourite so you can bring it up with one click. This has the advantage that when you don't want to follow those links any longer you just delete the related changes link, rather than having to manually unlink them all from the watchlist. - Arjayay (talk) 16:12, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

I find Misplaced Pages a nice diversion from the daily grind, and like keeping abreast of edits to pages within specific domains I'm interested in. I don't think WP:OWN describes any past, current or future behaviors or edits I would engage in -- feel free to look through my history as regards that. Maximilian775 (talk) 16:18, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with that, Maximilian775. I use the "related changes" trick to track vandals who attack certain subject areas. It also works with templates, which has the advantage that, if another page is added to the template, it automatically comes up in the related changes. - Arjayay (talk) 16:35, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Source check

Hello. I am writing an article about a recent video game, and I need some help to make sure these sources are reliable enough to be included in this article, right over here. Any constructive criticism is welcome. I am hoping this reaches GA status someday.

Here are the sources I've found:
1. https://raritysniper.com/news/goblintown-nft-art-takes-twitch-by-storm-in-only-up/
2. https://dappradar.com/blog/goblintown-viral-game-only-up-nft-trading-impact (this is a blog, which I'm very sure it's unreliable and an SPS)
3. https://guided.news/en/gaming/dayz-only-up-server-with-reward/ (this doesn't contain info about NFTs and their involvement in this game, but it lists an additional adaptation)
4. https://sportslumo.com/esports/only-up-in-fortnite-how-can-you-play-it/ (Fortnite adaptation)
5. https://www.binance.com/en/feed/post/649340
6. https://nftplazas.com/goblintown-nft-collection-twitch/
7. https://fagenwasanni.com/ai/veteran-fps-devs-form-new-studio-to-make-games-inside-fortnite/64370/
Tarantula (speak with me) (my legacy) 19:26, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula, Thank you for your question. To include these sources, make sure that they are reliable, secondary, and independent sources with no original research. And check if there is no copyright violation in your article as it might less likely be nominated for GA. Read WP:RS ToadetteEdit /_(logs) 20:20, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't think it's very helpful to tell TrademarkedTarantula to "make sure that are reliable", ToadetteEdit, when their question is whether they're reliable! Cordless Larry (talk) 20:23, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

none of them are mentioned in the list of sources, but i'm a bit iffy on considering binance reliable for reasons surprisingly unrelated to wikipedia

the rest, i'll check in an hour to be sure, because i haven't heard of them before

dappradar being a blog automatically disqualifies it though cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 20:29, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Blogs can be considered reliable for some claims if the author is a subject-matter expert (I'm not expressing a view on whether that's the case here). See WP:BLOGS. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:40, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

@ToadetteEdit, I've already checked the article for copyright violations using Earwig's Copyvio Detector, linked here. Tarantula (speak with me) (my legacy) 20:56, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I will cross off the sources as we go. Tarantula (speak with me) (my legacy) 20:54, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula: Welcome to the Teahouse. I don't frequent there very often, but the regulars over at the reliable sources noticeboard may be better equipped to help you evaluate if those sources are considered reliable enough to be used for the encyclopedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:28, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

content + source check

hello! i am writing an article about a community arts center founded in the 70s. i am hoping to get any constructive criticism and feedback on the article before i submit it for official review. please find the page here. Tempe Stewart WGSArts 22:05, 1 August 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Memorywrker (talk • contribs)

Hi @Memorywrker! Which three sources in the article do you think contribute to its notability? From a quick glance at the current sources, I'm not seeing anything that stands out as likely to count. Most are either primary or are just about events held at the center, which are not likely to count as significant coverage of the center itself, since there's only minimal mention of the center itself. Best, {{u|Sdkb}}  22:48, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi Sdkb! I believe the three sources below could be appropriate:

1.Jones, Kellie (2017). South of Pico: African American Artists in Los Angeles in the 1960s and 1970s. Duke University Press. p. 172. ISBN 978-0-8223-6164-0.

2. "African-American Artists of Los Angeles: Cecil Fergerson". www.oac.cdlib.org. Retrieved 2023-07-25.

(the above is an interview -- would interviews count as sources, even though they may not be considered independent sources?)

3. "William Grant Still Art Center". LA Sentinel. March 17, 2011. pp. A2.

The above is a physical newspaper article. I've paused on adding citations as I also wanted to inquire about citation overkill, but if this citation would contribute to the article's notability then I will add it. Tempe Stewart WGSArts 23:11, 1 August 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Memorywrker (talk • contribs)

For the first source, I don't have access to it, but offline sources can count. What sort of discussion is there on page 172? If the entire page is about the arts center, giving its basic history, then that probably counts. If it's only an trivial mention of the center in the course of a discussion about e.g. an exhibit held there, then it probably doesn't count.

For the second, interviews normally do not count, because they're primary rather than secondary sources.

For the last one, that looks promising, but again I'd need to see it to be sure. What sort of article is it? Does it have a reporter's byline, or is it just an event notice? Again, offline sources are permissible, but in practical terms, you'll have an easier time getting the article published to mainspace if you can find a link to it (maybe check Archive.org versions of the LA Sentinel's website from around the time it was published; I came up blank trying Newspapers.com archives).

Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}}  00:15, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello Memorywrker!

Now that Sdkb is dealing with the sources, I am happy to give some feedback on the content and structure. I understand that it takes a lot to create a draft, so I thank you first for your effort put into this project. That being said–

1. Please do not list "WGSAC" in the title of the article. The title of this article, in my opinion, should be "William Grant Still Arts Center". The simpler, the better. You may put the abbreviation "WGSAC" in the lede section (the very first paragraph of the article) and bold it using ''' marks.
2. You have created a list for the "Black Doll Show Exhibitions" and other exhibitions. Please note that Misplaced Pages is not a database (see WP:NOTDATABASE for more details). Long lists like this reduce the readability of the article and deviates the attention of the reader.
3. The entire "Educational Programs" section is unsourced. If you cannot find good sources for this part, please consider leaving it out.
4. Please use sentence case for the capitalization of the section headings (see MOS:HEADINGS for more details). For example, the section "The WGSAC Annual Black Doll Show" should be capitalized as "The WGSAC annual black doll show".
5. Please do not use <big> </big> for the section headings. I assume you didn't intend to–could this be from visual editing?
6. Similarly, please do not bold the section headings.

You are off to a good start. Please be patient and have courage. If you're uncertain how to format something, please check Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style. Regardless of the outcome of your review, I hope this is a helpful learning experience for you. Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 23:59, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Create wikipedia page for non-profit

I want to create a wikipedia page for a non-profit organization I'm part of. Please let me know how can I do it without getting any issues. Ramaitha (talk) 22:33, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

@Ramaitha, if by "part of" you mean "employed by", then read WP:Paid editing. Otherwise read WP:Conflict of interest editing. After that, see Help:Your first article — the short of it is that if the nonprofit has not received significant coverage in independent reliable sources, it cannot have an article. Best, {{u|Sdkb}}  22:42, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

included in Your first article are the guidelines Notability and Reliable sources which I strongly recommend you read as well (I know that's more reading material, but they're really important). Notability covers what topics can be covered (in your case, the notability for organizations subpage is also relevant and you may read that as well) and Reliable sources covers the kind of resources or websites you can use to back up the claims made in your article (which is required for just about every statement on Misplaced Pages). even if your organization does count under one of the notability criteria, it won't count unless there are reliable sources to back that claim up. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 00:14, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

I am a co-founder of the non-profit organization and wish to create a wikipedia page for the organization Ramaitha (talk) 05:38, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi Ramaitha. As mentioned above by Sdkb and Melecie, whether an article can be created about your organization depends on whether it meets Misplaced Pages:Notability, in particular Misplaced Pages:Notability (organizations and companies). For some more information on this, I suggest you take a look at the essay Misplaced Pages:NOBLECAUSE. There's no real way to overcome a lack of notability; so, unless your organization can be clearly shown to have received the kind of coverage discussed here, there's not chance of viable Misplaced Pages article being written about it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:51, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Ramaitha I note that two versions of your draft were speedily deleted on 10 July and again yesterday. I'm not an admin so I can't read them but I can say with some certainty that you have been trying to promote the Eco-Habitat Foundation rather than write in an encyclopaedic and neutral way about it. It's for that reason that we also discourage autobiography and regularly point out that articles here are not always a good idea. A brief Google of your organisation's name suggests to me that very little exists about it in reliable sources and you would therefore be best to stick to doing your good work and allow the world to take notice in due course, at which point some volunteer is likely to write about it on Misplaced Pages. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:49, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Draft Article: Rachel Tugutu - Question

Dear Sir/Madam,

I was curious to know if the the whole draft met the requirement for the Misplaced Pages. I aIso wanted to make a follow-up on the article Rachel Tugutu to know if there's anything I should correct.

- Thank you. Bleiomo (talk) 03:11, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Bleiomo. It appears you are trying to submit the draft Draft:Rachel Tugutu for publication. To do that, place {{subst:Submit}} at the top of that page. You may then need to wait a while for it to be reviewed. Best, {{u|Sdkb}}  03:45, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

The draft is also very unlikely to be accepted if you do not demonstrate the notability of the subject. {{u|Sdkb}}  03:46, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Bleiomo, the content of the draft must be based on reliable sources and the draft must demonstrate notability. -- Hoary (talk) 04:28, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Bleiomo: I have placed a template at the top of the draft for you to submit it when it's ready. It is not ready, it needs substantial improvement in sourcing. See WP:Golden Rule for guidance. Anything you cannot cite to a reliable source should be removed. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:31, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification, I will go ahead and correct any errors before submitting it for the review. Bleiomo (talk) 09:07, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Error Message while trying to upload a new article.

Can anyone help me resolve this error message? ⧼No stashed content found for 0/0d43e0c8-2f7e-11ee-9db0-c45ab19b09d4⧽ Joshbonat2580 (talk) 05:09, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Joshbonat2580, hmm, I'm not sure exactly what might cause that message. Have you gotten it multiple times? And what are you doing/trying to do when you get it? {{u|Sdkb}}  05:19, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

I am trying to publish a new article- -- Draft creation using the WP:Article wizard -- Created an article on Elle Blink.

This is the exact error message ⧼No stashed content found for 0/0d43e0c8-2f7e-11ee-9db0-c45ab19b09d4⧽

Yes, I have gotten it multiple times. Joshbonat2580 (talk) 05:23, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Joshbonat2580. Where are you trying to upload this content? If this has anything to do with the deleted Draft:Elle Blink, that was overtly promotional content. Promotional activity is simply not allowed on Misplaced Pages, so do not try again. Cullen328 (talk) 08:22, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

However, while Cullen's advice is good, the error you are getting is a technical one, and nothing to do with the content of your draft. If it keeps happening, ask about it on WP:VPT. But, as Cullen says, it is a waste of time trying to submit (or even save) promotional content. ColinFine (talk) 09:46, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Greetings

Hi There, I didn't logged in long time, but from now I'll try to be more active :) Zoltan Pasztory (talk) 06:05, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Zoltan, and welcome back. Is there some help you are looking for? ColinFine (talk) 10:39, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Cited website hijacked

I have noticed that nevada-history.org has been hijacked, and it's used for a few citations. Should we just add the archive-url parameter and mark the url as dead, or something else? Kk.urban (talk) 06:22, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Kk.urban: Welcome to the Teahouse. It'd be best marked as usurped. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:28, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Tenryuu Does that mean "url_status=usurped"? Kk.urban (talk) 06:28, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Yep. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Kk.urban (talk) 06:36, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Millac Foods

Hi. Is there anyone here who can check and review Millac Foods? The page was created over a month ago. Any feedback is much appreciated. Thank you. Stkhiz (talk) 06:25, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Stkhiz, that article is in Mainspace so not sure what you need reviewing? Qcne (talk) 09:12, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

On 26 June you moved the draft from your Sandbox to Mainspace, thus bypassing the AfC review process. As a new article, this will now be reviewed by New Pages Patrol (WP:NPP). NPP will either accept, revert to draft for more work, or Speedy delete the article. Only after a NPP review (or 90 days if a NPP reviewer does not get to it), will the article be moved so that search engines such as Google can find it when a search is conducted on Millac Foods. David notMD (talk) 09:17, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

In the meantime, Stkhiz, I advise you to look at each of your sources and consider whether they meet WP:42. I've only looked at the first few, but I see that the second one does not even mention Millac, and so I cannot see any possible reason for citing it. The first, third, and fourth all have no author credited, and the language used leaves me in little doubt that they are based on promotional material from Millac. They are therefore is not independent, and does nothing to demonstrate the that company meets Misplaced Pages's criteria for notability. Remember that Misplaced Pages is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Misplaced Pages is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

I also observe that every single edit you have made since you created your account (apart from this one) has been to your draft, which immediately makes me suspect that you have a conflict of interest. Please clarify whether you have a relationship with Millac Foods. ColinFine (talk) 09:56, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Uploading image of 1980 postage stamp

I am trying to upload image of File:LMR Piggyback Carriage Truck.png which is a postage stamp but am having trouple. The stamp commenorates the opening of the line in 1830. ----MountVic127 (talk) 07:25, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

File:LMR Piggyback Carriage Truck.png

Image:LMR Piggyback Carriage Truck.png

Hello, MountVic127. When uploading an image of a postage stamp, you need to first verify the copyright status of the specific stamp. Which country issued the stamp? In what year? For example, stamps published by the U.S. Post Office before 1971 are in the public domain and are therefore free of copyright restrictions. Stamps issued by the reorganized U.S. Postal Service after that date are copyright protected and cannot be uploaded as free images. Instead, such uploads must meet the stringent non-free content criteria for images. Each country has its own copyright standards. Non-free images cannot be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, but must be uploaded (if acceptable) locally on English Misplaced Pages. Cullen328 (talk) 08:02, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, MountVic127, and welcome to the Teahouse. You have successfully uploaded the image to commons:File:LMR Piggyback Carriage Truck.png, but you have not provided the required copyright status, so it will shortly be deleted unless you do.

Unfortunately, commons:COM:United Kingdom#Stamps makes it clear that such stamps may not be uploaded to Commons. As Cullen says, if you can establish that the use meets all the criteria of the non-free content criteria, then you may upload it to Misplaced Pages (not Commons) as non-free content; but I think it is unlikely that a commemorative stamp will meet criterion #8. ColinFine (talk) 10:04, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

I have made some progress by finding the link to File:

Different languages ​​in articles

Hello folks, I'm new here and have a beginner question. If I edit an article in English but it has several languages, should I tend to try to apply the changes in the other languages ​​as well or do the native wiki users of the country do it themselves? Aritonoko (talk) 07:25, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Aritonoko. Each language version of Misplaced Pages is its own autonomous project with its own policies and guidelines, although there are similarities. There is no expectation that an English Misplaced Pages editor will make edits in other versions. On the other hand, if you speak other languages well enough, you are welcome to also contribute in those languages. But it is not required. Another thing to keep in mind is that they are language versions, not country or national versions. Far more people speak Portuguese in Brazil than in Portugal, just as far more people speak English in the United States than in England. There are competent English speakers in every country on earth, and they are all welcome to edit the English Misplaced Pages, within policies and guidelines. Cullen328 (talk) 08:14, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Cullen328

Thank you so much for your prompt and informative response! I really appreciate your clarification about each language version of Misplaced Pages being its own autonomous project with its own policies and guidelines. I'll definitely keep that in mind while contributing.

I do speak a few other languages, so I'll try to contribute in those languages as well when I feel comfortable doing so. But as you mentioned, it's good to know that it's not expected of me.

Also, your point about language versions, not being country or national versions, is well taken. I'll be sure to remember that too.

Once again, thank you for your guidance. I look forward to being a part of this wonderful community and contributing positively.

Best regards, Aritonoko (talk) 08:22, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Aritonoko: If you got a mind to, you could also pitch in at Misplaced Pages:Pages needing translation into English. Help always appreciated. Lectonar (talk) 11:07, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Renaming an article

So I heard Broomfield School rebranded itself as "Laurel Park School". Do I need to rename the article to reflect that change? Mox Eden (talk) 08:17, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Mox Eden: Yes, it should be moved to the new name. You can do this by using the "Move" function under "More". You can read more about this at WP:MOVE. However, before doing this, I would add some more information about the change of school name first. JML1148 08:33, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source for this? The Broomfield School website says nothing about a change of name, and the website for Laurel Park School says it doesn't open until September. Please discuss this on the article talk page, include reliable sources, and gain concensus. Shantavira| 08:47, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Dear comrades

Whoever is reading, see this! Read everything and do the honour for me because Mr. Joseph has refused to do so. I've always been taught for my mistakes and I feel that other editors (whoever they are) should be taught too if they're doing something they aren't supposed to do. — AKSHADÉV™ 💬 09:23, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, AKSHADEV. You might have more luck in getting help if you gave us some clue what you are talking about and where to "read everything". (I could probably find it by looking through your contributions, but, as a volunteer here, I don't feel particularly motivated to do so). If you want people to help you, please help them to do so. ColinFine (talk) 10:11, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine, from what I understand of this, @Akshadev is saying that @Joseph2302 (courtesy pinging for discussion regarding them) is obligated to warn Shaan Sengupta (diff) and SilverLocust (diff) for making not-vote formatting changes which Akshadev did in a different talk page but was warned for (diff) because they believe it's unfair for Akshadev to get warned while Shaan and Silver don't. 💜  melecie  talk - 11:11, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Melecie: You got it right! Respect for you (wholeheartedly). @ColinFine: dear editor, If you don't feel motivated to help me out, it's absolutely fine. Thanks for your kind words. Have a great time! — AKSHADÉV™ 💬 11:22, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Akshadev, I (somewhat) understand your frustrations, but no editor is obligated to warn for every transgression they see, and a lack of warning other editors is not an endorsement of their behavior. In my humble opinion, your response on your talk page and especially this post on the Teahouse are quite inappropriate. WPscatter /_c 15:33, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Wpscatter: I aslo (somewhat) understand that my response could have been inappropriate but my only point is that I feel like I'm the one being warned for my mistakes and the others aren't. Anyway I know it's pointless to pointing things out, I'll be careful with my behaviours/responses. Have a great time! — Akshadév™ 💬 15:48, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Now I'm feeling good. @Wpscatter: Thanks for your kind words. @Melecie: Thanks for understanding what I meant (even though I briefly explained). If I face any problem in future, I will consider discussing them with you first . Wishing you both a great time! शुभरात्रि (ShubhRātri, means goodnight in Hindi) — Akshadév™ 💬 16:15, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Is adding a TV episode summary always a net good?

I'm struggling with this question because it seems initially silly to me, but I assume and hope there's no stupid questions here. I haven't found a clearly legible answer in WP:TELEVISION, but that may be my reading error. One of my most frequent uses of WP as a casual user has been looking at TV episode summaries mid-episode, especially if I need to pause and resume at a later time. For many shows I've watched, I find that episode summaries are not available for any season. I've wondered many times if adding a summary myself (when I feel confident about the content, of course) is the right course of action. I usually question it in the following circumstances, which can overlap: 1) There are no other episode summaries available. 2) I have not seen the full season. 3) The TV show is an adaptation of source material I'm not familiar with. 4) I can't commit to writing summaries for a full season and can only write for one episode. SO: Should I write them anyway and hope for the best? Is a sole summary among a full season without them too disorienting/confusing for readers? Am I way overthinking this? Thanks :^) 0ghostlight (talk) 10:31, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Anything is better than nothing. Just stick to the guidelines about them, especially the main one, that it must be written in your own words and not copy and pasted from a TV guide. Close paraphrasing is also a big no-no. As regards point 3 above: You don't need to know the source material.Your episode summary should be based wholly on what you saw in the episode. You're not writing a review. Other than that, just do it. - X201 (talk) 12:11, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@0ghostlight There is useful guidance at WP:PLOTSUM. Note especially the bit in the box at the top about policy. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:28, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

I need help with an figure I uploaded

File:Zigzag theorem.pdf Draft:Isbell's zigzag theorem

I created a figure using TikZ, but I couldn't remove the margin. Would you mind helping me ? SilverMatsu (talk) 11:40, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, SilverMatsu, and welcome to the Teahouse. I suggest you look at WP:Image tutorial. ColinFine (talk) 11:56, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice. Thanks to you, I fixed an figure. --SilverMatsu (talk) 14:17, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Regarding creating page for the company I work

Hi team, I have a query regarding one thing. Currently I joined in a company as the social media manager. My first task is to create a wikipedia page by searching the relevant sources from articles. But my doudt is if I login from my company wifi to my wikipedia account will there be any ban. Because multiple users tried to login from this wifi. Can any one help me how to make my account safe from ban while connecting to the company wifi.

Also is there any issue if I create a wikipedia page for the company I joined. I will create it by following all tge rules and by providing reliable sources I get. Paavamjinn (talk) 12:20, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Paavamjinn.

Please firstly follow the instructions at Misplaced Pages:Paid-contribution disclosure immediately. It is highly discouraged from creating an article in which you have a clear Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest, as it is likely you won't be able to create the article from a Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view.

You should also read Misplaced Pages:When your boss tells you to edit Misplaced Pages which explains why having an article about your company may not be a good thing: please remember that Misplaced Pages is not a place for any type of self-promotion or advertisement. Misplaced Pages is not a social media site like Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn.

Once you have read all that, you need to read Misplaced Pages:Notability (organizations and companies) in detail. All subjects on Misplaced Pages must pass the notability threshold, detailed in that link. Only organisations that meet the criteria set out there can have a Misplaced Pages article.

If you are absolutely sure that your organisation passes the strict notability criteria, you can then create a draft article via the Misplaced Pages:Articles for creation process.

Let us know if you have any more specific questions, hope that helps. Qcne (talk) 12:30, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

And to answer your original question, @Paavamjinn, as long as you have a registered user account (you do) then you should be fine logging in on company WiFi. Qcne (talk) 12:33, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

I understand that. But kindly note that I will create the page as per my findings and the reliable sources I get. They asked me whether its possible to create the article. There are some intresting facts of there success and i will add the article as per the sources I get. Any way I will go through the articles you shared regarding the paid service and act accordingly. Thanks for the response Paavamjinn (talk) 13:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Paavamjinn. Remember that Misplaced Pages is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Misplaced Pages is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 17:05, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Police Department

Does it exist? 193.207.198.242 (talk) 13:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Not that I know of. NotAGenious (talk) 13:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

You might be looking for WP:CVU NotAGenious (talk) 13:37, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, thank you! 193.207.198.242 (talk) 13:37, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

We also have an arbitration committee for extreme cases. Pablothepenguin (talk) 21:24, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Pablothepenguin Actually, WP:ANI would be the correct place to go to report a wikicrime (repeated breaches of our rules). WP:ARBCOM is a higher level up, but, as you correctly say, it is indeed reserved for the extreme cases. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:54, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

With no idea what the crime would be, I would caution taking something to WP:ANI. It seems to work great for stuff like vandalism, but also seems to be very ineffective for any type of complex issue. Rjjiii (talk) 06:01, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

I'd recommend taking a look at WP:RAA if you need help from admins. NotAGenious (talk) 07:36, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Can't read talk page

I added a question to Talk:Flatland and then thought of reading the talk page to see if the answer was already given or implied. I stayed reading down the long list of comments, but when I navigated to another page, probably the article, I couldn't get back to the talk page to read it: I only got brief lists of maybe the last 5 modifications, all of them iirc changes of status, not actual Talk comments. Even after many tries, I haven't been able to see the Talk page itself. Help, please.

Thnidu (talk) 14:11, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Thnidu According to your contribution history, the comment you added was at Talk:VAS: An Opera in Flatland, not Talk:Flatland. Both links work perfectly well for me. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:19, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Ahh, thanks!

Thnidu (talk) 14:28, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Points?

Hello,

I recently noticed that in my contributions page, on each contribution I made there are numbers in green brackets or numbers in red brackets. What do they mean? Myrealnamm (talk) 14:20, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Myrealnamm They are the size in bytes that you added (green) or removed (red) in your edit. The value can even be 0. The same numbers appear on Special:Watchlist where there's an explanatory box on the right. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:26, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

This is how many bytes your edit has added (green) or removed (red) from the article. You can hover over the "points" and see the bytes. Qcne (talk) 14:26, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull@Qcne

Thank you! Myrealnamm (talk) 14:27, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Qcne (talk) 14:30, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

😀 Myrealnamm (talk) 14:32, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

That does not sound too good to me, Qcne. The folks on that show were in hell and I'm pretty sure in hell you can only edit contentious articles on mobile.

Oh and also, Myrealnamm try hovering over the letters next to the bytes too. Those letters beside the edits are abbreviations to show new pages, bot edits, minor edits, etc. Rjjiii (talk) 05:58, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@Rjjiii Hi, Do you mean the diff and hist? I tried hovering over them but nothing showed up. Is it because that no bots, minor edits, etc. edited the article after I edited? Also what does diff and hist mean? Myrealnamm (talk) 14:09, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

How to cite different times of the same audio visual document without creating a new reference?

For written documents, you have templates like these: or . They let you point to a different page of the same document without creating a new reference each time, but I can't seem to find an equivalent that would let me point to different times of the same audio or video document. Thanks in advance for your help. Redacwiki (talk) 14:28, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi Redacwiki! Maybe use {{sfn}} and specify the loc parameter? TheLonelyPather (talk) 14:32, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Redacwiki The template {{rp}} takes any text as its parameter, so you can use it just the same way: , for example. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

I used {{rp}} like Mike suggested above for the article Apetor, e.g and . I'm not sure if there's any other method better fit for this purpose. ArcticSeeress (talk) 15:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Alright, I wasn't sure it was authorized as the template explicitly refers to pages, but I'll do that. Thanks everyone.

Redacwiki (talk) 23:13, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Redacwiki Just for clarity in case others read this thread, the template documentation at {{rp}} says Other in-source-location information can also be used for non-numeric pages, for example: "f. 29", "A7", and "back cover", etc., and can also be used for non-paginated sources, e.g., "0:35:12" for a video source. (my emphasis). Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:15, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

References

1. ^ Book Title.
2. ^ Video

my article was declined after necessary corrections

hello, please i am confused why this article was declined after correcting all i was asked too. https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Mr_Henry_Agbai Asiwanju (talk) 16:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Asiwanju: You should ask the reviewer, but looking it over, I would say that your sources don't provide significant coverage, or they are interviews. Therefore, they do not comply with the WP:Golden Rule requirements. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:48, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

thank you. I would glad, if we can work on this article together. for better understanding and mentorship. thank you Asiwanju (talk) 00:04, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@Anachronist Asiwanju (talk) 00:14, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@Asiwanju: See WP:MENTORSHIP. Sorry, I have no interest in that article subject. When it has failed to be approved so many times under different titles, it is likely not worth spending more effort on it. Some article topics are simply not suitable. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:24, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@Anachronist Thank you. I would still want to come under your mentorship on this space. to improve and enhance my abilities here. Asiwanju (talk) 00:51, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@Asiwanju: I have no time to mentor anyone. Please see Misplaced Pages:Adopt-a-user/Adoptee's Area/Adopters for a list of people willing to be mentors. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:51, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Question about User Talk

Hi, everyone! I hope you are all doing well as you read this post. By the way, this is regarding my User Talk. I was just wondering if I could delete the old tags on my user talk? I just want to keep things tidy. That's all.

Another thing is about the page I created before for Athena Vas. Initially, it was reviewed by @Onel5969, but it was moved back to draft due to COI. After the resubmission, it got declined. As per the editor, Athena Vas has not yet shown to meet notability guidelines. I believe she has, as she was named the grand winner of The Bachelor (Greek TV series). Please review and advise. Thank you. Bmjc98 (talk) 16:39, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Bmjc98: You can remove whatever you want from your talk pages with some exceptions listed in WP:BLANKING. It is preferred that you archive old discussions (and there is an automated bot that can do this for you), but you can simply delete things. See Help:Archiving a talk page.

As for Draft:Athena Vas, winning a romantic partner in a TV show doesn't strike me as legitimate claim of notability. Her work as an actress might make her notable if any of the criteria in WP:NACTOR are met. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:57, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi! Thank you for responding to my post. I'll check these pages later. Please don't remove this thread yet for later's reference. Also, I really thought being a part of a TV show can make someone notable, especially if the person wins. Just like to the ones I previously wrote: Nigel Xavier, Angel Chen, and Daniel W. Fletcher. Anyway, thanks again. Bmjc98 (talk) 17:10, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Bmjc98. Being part of a TV show makes someone notable only if their participation results in several reliable, fully independent sources devoting significant coverage to the performer. There are countless participants on reality TV shows who are not notable. Cullen328 (talk) 17:51, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Okay. I understand. The sources I have for Athena are mostly in Greek. If you could review it, that would be much appreciated. Thank you. Bmjc98 (talk) 22:44, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Please don't remove this thread yet for later's reference
Sections that haven't been responded in two or three days will be automatically archived by a bot. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:39, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Bmjc98 (talk) 22:44, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

How to find the source of lint errors?

What is the usual procedure for finding what is causing lint errors in an article? Mtanti (talk) 20:14, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Lint errors? Pablothepenguin (talk) 21:23, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Pablothepenguin, they're referring to Linter errors. 💜  melecie  talk - 21:26, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Do you have software for lint errors? Pablothepenguin (talk) 21:29, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Pablothepenguin Please read the WP:LINT information page already indicated by Melecie. That includes information on some bots which work on these errors and also how the individual errors are logged, categorised and prioritised for attention. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:10, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

How can the title to an article be changed?

I wrote an article that was an article requesting to be created. However, the complete subject matter would necessitate changing the title of the article. It is a biography, and the person's main career was much different than the career in the original request for article creation. Starlighsky (talk) 23:52, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Starlighsky. I'm confused whether you are talking about one of the two articles you have personally created, or something your requested to be created, but have not worked on yourself. Either way, we can move articles to better-fitting titles if needs be, so it's not a big issue. You would need to be more explicit and give us a link if you wanted more detailed advice, I fear. I hope this helps a bit. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:00, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I am glad to learn how to change the title before creating a new article.

Here is the article that I am working on...I was a requested article about a lyricist.

However, he had made a drastic change in careers:

Michael Grace (lyricist) Starlighsky (talk) 00:06, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

I will move it to a new title. Again, thanks! Starlighsky (talk) 00:16, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

I am not sure how to move the article to a new title. I would think the following would be a better title, though:

Michael P. Grace II (songwriter, Broadway producer, and oil and gas producer) Starlighsky (talk) 00:35, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello Starlighsky and welcome to Misplaced Pages. Sorry to say this but per the Misplaced Pages guideline on article titles, I believe that said title would be too detailed. — Prodraxis {talk • contribs} (she/her) 01:48, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

The name used for the portion before parenthesis (the disambiguator) should be the name he's most-known by; unless the P. and/or II are often used in sources, it should just be Michael Grace. If the title before the disambiguator is not ambiguous with any other article, the disambiguator should be dropped. For example, there's no Michael P. Grace II article, so if that were the name he was most commonly referred to by, there should be no disambiguator. Alternatively, there is a Michael P. Grace article, so if that is the name he's most commonly referred to by, there needs to be one.

Disambiguators are supposed to be as concise as possible, not descriptive, and the one picked should be the thing they're most known for. This is a more complex case (I don't really know what he'd be most-known for), but I'd probably go with (musician) here, per WP:NCMUSIC; there are many naming conventions at hand for specific topics, and it can be hard to keep track of them, but the navbox at {{Naming conventions}} has a good index of specific naming conventions.

Hopefully that was helpful. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 02:03, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. As I understand it, he could be Michael P. Grace ll. Many references use that name. Starlighsky (talk) 03:23, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Would I have to create a new article to use that name? He started his career as a lyricist, but spent most of his like running a business that had nothing to do with music. Starlighsky (talk) 03:26, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

There's a move button – I think it's on the right side under Tools in Vector 2022 (the default look for Misplaced Pages), and if you've switched back to the old look (Vector 2010), it'll be in a dropdown menu near the top under More. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 03:47, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Starlighsky (talk) 04:32, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

You can change the title of an article by moving it; see WP:MOVE. However, I would be more concerned about improving the referencing of the article rather than worrying about the title. Right now the article has 16 references but as far as I can see, not a single one of them contributes to the notability of the subject. If there are no better sources available, the article should probably be deleted. See WP:N and WP:RS to learn about what types of sources are needed. CodeTalker (talk) 03:49, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

I am working on the references. The person did create a Broadway hit as a producer and songwriter which helped African Americans in the entertainment industry. Harry Belafonte was a main character in a 1950s production that made fun of politics and the "red scare". I am working on the article as time permits. I am doing the best I can. Starlighsky (talk) 04:31, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Starlighsky. I'm afraid that "I am working on the references" is a sure sign that you have written the article BACKWARDS (as most inexperienced editors do), and made your task much much harder thereby.

Note also that what a person has done has little directly to do with what we call notability for the purposes of Misplaced Pages: what matters is what has been published about the person. Obviously if somebody has done memorable things it is more likely that they have been written about, but it is the job of the editor writing an article to find those golden sources. ColinFine (talk) 16:44, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

I added the references. There were published reference before, and I recently added more now that I had the time. The notability was written about, especially in terms of the Broadway production and the music, of which some was written with famous composers of that time:

Michael P. Grace II Starlighsky (talk) 17:22, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Question about redirects

This is a problem I'm having with Commons, but I'm asking here since it's just a general wiki question.

Why isn't #REDIRECT ] a valid redirect? It shows up as a numbered list. The link itself is valid, so are templates just not supported in redirects?

Is there/should there be a Phabricator ticket about this? QuickQuokka 00:29, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: According to Help:Redirect "Note that the redirect link must be explicit – it cannot contain magic words, templates, etc." RudolfRed (talk) 01:21, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Several hours of input that has been almost completely deleted

The list of aircraft displayed at the Wings over the Rockies Air & Space Museum at Lowry airfield is terribly lacking, particularly in the civil section, and I have tried to complete it since I visited in April, and have a widely aviation knowledge. For each addition I generally used the 'own observation' reason, but for whatever reason you have taken them down. I also completed existing entries where tail numbers were lacking. I am terribly disappointed, but am willing to try again if I know where I am going wrong. For the most part I have photographic evidence. Better still, you could possibly restore what you have deleted. Thank you Alan Lathan 2003:C9:EF0E:8695:50A2:1B1F:7233:7E44 (talk) 02:13, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Alan Lathan. Thank you for trying to improve Misplaced Pages, but your "own observation" contributions are a classic violation of No original research, one of Misplaced Pages's three core content policies. Our content must summarize what reliable, independent published sources say. Personal observations are not permitted here. I believe that you probably have wide aviation knowledge, but that gives you no special privileges. Any anonymous editor could claim to be both a neurosurgeon and and an astrophysicist, and how could anyone check? All that matters here on Misplaced Pages is an editor's ability to reference and summarize published reliable sources. As for the photos, you can upload your own photos to Wikimedia Commons under a free license and then add them to the article. Cullen328 (talk) 02:34, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

The article in question is Wings Over the Rockies Air and Space Museum. Alan Lathan, I see that you added a (no pun intended) comment to that article. I am sorry, but that is not appropriate. Articles must be written from the Neutral point of view, another core content policy. Jokes and personal observations and personal commentary do not belong in Misplaced Pages articles. Cullen328 (talk) 02:44, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328: I must quibble with one point. Objective personal observations, verifiable by anyone, are not original research. You don't need to cite a source that says the sky is blue. Going through an aircraft museum and recording tail numbers is no different than going to a library to verify something. Facts like tail numbers are verifiable by anyone who goes to the same museum, as other facts are verifiable by going to a library and looking up a publication that isn't online. If an observation of a fact clearly demonstrates the cited source is wrong, then that source should not be cited. Verifiability is what matters, not the manner of how something is verified. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:07, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

To say that I disagree would be an understatement, Anachronist. Misplaced Pages relies on summarizing what reliable, published sources say. The recollections of an individual Misplaced Pages editor who visited a museum earlier today or earlier this decade are of no value, except to the extent that they motivate the editor to search for actual reliable sources. I am a devoted museum attender. If I was a troll, I could add a claim to my own observations that some small town art museum displays two Van Goghs and three Picassos, and a spectacular da Vinci. Should our readers place any confidence whatsover in such an assertion referenced to my personal observations? Of corse not, but you are arguing that they should. Notable museums publish catalogs, which are reliable sources for items in their collections. Notable museums attract coverage from reliable, independent sources that describe items in their collections. No contested text content that is not referenced to reliable sources should appear in this encyclopedia. Cullen328 (talk) 06:10, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

I agree with a lot of what you say though your museum piece is a straw man. Walking through a museum to take tail numbers is very different to *claiming* ownership of a Picasso. It may be that the tail number information is not recorded anywhere else. We have a duty to consider how to be accurate and realistic. doktorb _words 06:36, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

True does not mean verified. Misplaced Pages requires the latter. David notMD (talk) 09:17, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Things need to be true and verifiable insofar as they are published. Sending people to said museum to "see for themselves" that it is correct is not acceptable. Things need to be verifiable by checking reliable published sources. In this case, independence may not strictly be required, so if the museum lists the aircraft, on say, its own website, that's the kind of stuff that is usually OK to use as a self-published source for such an article, but it needs to be verifiable somewhere published. --Jayron32 16:56, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328: @David notMD: @Jayron32: I think you're all taking an unnecessarily narrow view of the meaning of "published" and "verifiable". The manufacturer of the aircraft published the tail numbers on the aircraft. They are verifiable by anyone who goes to the museum to look at them. Misplaced Pages's requirements are therefore met. Verifiable sources are emphatically not required to be available online. It isn't unreasonable for verification to require a visit to a museum. This is no different from verifying something published in a hard-to-find book available in a particular library (which I have done in the past). The OP's edit we're discussing is a WP:BLUESKY situation, it would have been completely uncontroversial if he had taken pictures of each aircraft and uploaded them along with the edits. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:22, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't mean to be curt, but you're just wrong here. The specific aircraft in a specific museum is not WP:BLUESKY by any reasonable means, no matter how many times you say it, and no reasonable meaning of the word "published" includes a number painted on an object. To stretch the definition of such concepts as far as you have makes them meaningless. Please stop confusing the new users here, and if you can't speak knowledgeably on this stuff, please stop. They need to find the list of aircraft written down in a book, magazine, catalog, or website somewhere. It can even be on the museum's own website, but that is at least published. A hard to find book is still a published source. An object in a museum is not a published source. --Jayron32 17:35, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

DOD retry

Help? (the following is a re-try of a prior inquiry) There is a Finnish language Wiki article about , Jallu Honkonen. For now the only thing I wanted to edit is his Date of Death. It’s January 3 1969, NOT May 3 1969. I know he died in January because I attended his funeral. An obituary from the Fitchburg(MA) Sentinel Enterprise will support this. But I can’t seem to access an editable English version and I myself don’t read/speak Finnish. Eldyr88PHy$N (talk) 04:32, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

hi @Eldyr88PHy$N and welcome to the teahouse! unforrunately different languages of Misplaced Pages are separate projects and not just a single unified project where English is the main source and all other languages translate its articles, so not everything that has an article in another language also has one in English, and Honkonen may mot have an article here at all. this also means that other wikis may have their own policies from sourcing different from that in English Misplaced Pages, so we cannot really help you with editing that wiki. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 04:47, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Pinging @DoubleGrazing, a native Finnish speaker who offered to help you before. @Eldyr88PHy$N, do you have a reliable source for the DOD? One of the obituaries you mentioned, perhaps? WPscatter /_c 05:03, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping, @Wpscatter. I actually tried looking into this the last time, but couldn't find a definitive source. The sv.wiki article cites a Finnish not-entirely-RS website which gives May as the DOD; even the Finnish National Library goes by this , by way of Misplaced Pages (!). So I think the onus is on anyone wanting to argue otherwise to produce evidence which trumps that source. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:15, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. So…. You mentioned proof, right? Ummmm…. You see the first time I went through this I thought I had provided enough evidence with SSDI records showing this person had died in January 1969. I also mentioned the same obituary source I did in this second request. {It would seem apparently that was the “wrong” thing to do, as one of your “colleagues?” said I shouldn’t share personal information …(Mr Honkonen was my grandfather) and redacted the data} So I find myself at an impasse. It would seem that if I am able to access the aforementioned obituary and post it as the proof you need the same thing would happen. Any new hints?

AND ….. I mean I was at his funeral. At 13 y/o it was my first …. something one doesn’t easily forget. Eldyr88PHy$N (talk) 13:35, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@Eldyr88PHy$N, I'm not sure what information you provided before, but as long as the information you provide is publicly available (and therefore verifiable) it should be fine. Citing an obituary from a newspaper, for example. Note that you don't necessarily have to find a source that exists online. I don't know the Finnish Misplaced Pages's rules on original research, but I have to imagine your firsthand account is not enough to update the date (especially in the face of extant conflicting sources), unfortunately. WPscatter /_c 13:46, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@Eldyr88PHy$N, a direct link to the Sentinel Enterprise obituary you mentioned would be ideal, but if it's not available online, then the date of publication and the title of the obituary itself would be sufficient, so someone can try to look it up. Do you have those? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:50, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Let me check into that. The Sentinel might not be the ONLY source. I may need a little time so ... can anyone tell me how long this discussion will "stay awake" before it gets archived? Eldyr88PHy$N (talk) 14:21, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@Eldyr88PHy$N the archiving is set at 2-3 days from the date of the last post. When you find the information, it might be better to just post it on DoubleGrazing's talk page, since they're the one who's offered to do the update for you. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:37, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@Eldyr88PHy$N: always a pleasure to help those who appreciate it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:24, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Source or visual editor?

Hi. I just opened an account here. I followed directions to this page so hope I am in the right place. I have made some edits already, a few minor amendments and correcting typoes and the like, but seeing all the membership recommendations I agree it would be wise to hide my IP address. I use XML at work so I have no problem with your source editor but, that being so, do you think I should use the source editor or the visual one? Is the visual one for people who don't know markup? I really need to know if there would be any advantage for me using visual. I did a newcomer prompt edit earlier using the source editor. Thanks. ManGoBangla (talk) 06:35, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello @ManGoBangla and welcome to the Teahouse.

There is a few advantages using the visual edit as it is a new way to edit without the need to understand any code or markup compared to the source editor. Either which editor you use, the choice is up to you. For more information please see WP:VE. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 07:30, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, ManGoBangla. I will give you my opinion, which is not the "Official Misplaced Pages" opinion, since there is no such thing. I highly prefer the source editor. I am no computer geek. Instead, I am a long time self employed construction worker who has been editing Misplaced Pages as a hobby for 14 years. I have been trained to use the best tools for the job. In my opinion, the Wiki markup language is exceptionally easy to use for any editor willing to spend an hour or two or even half an hour learning it. I learned it rapidly by looking at the underlying code of pages that displayed things the way I wanted. Just as if I had purchased a new power saw or sander and wanted to try it out, and asked for advice from craftspeople who had already accomplished things similar to what I wanted to do. There are many people, paid (understandably) and unpaid (mostly out of idealism), who deride the source editor. On the other hand, I love it because it works well on every platform, and facilitates collaborative editing, which is the key to Misplaced Pages's success as a worldwide Top Ten website. If something better comes along, I will happily adopt it, but that day has not yet come. Cullen328 (talk) 07:55, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@ManGoBangla, you may find something useful at Misplaced Pages:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1195#Visual_Editing_vs_Source_Editing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:28, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

And note particularly that the source editor allows you to edit individual sections, VE does not. Personally I really dislike VE because it so often doesn't do what I expect it to do. Doug Weller talk 15:49, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi, each of you, and I appreciate your interest and advice. I feel comfortable with the source editor so I will use that. There are obvious advantages too. I have been doing a lot of research and there is still much to read and to learn, but I think I have made the right decision by opening an account. I will have to decide what to edit now, but I have many interests. I have found this forum very useful and I am grateful for your help and kindness. I will certainly come here again if I need help and I recommend the forum to other new members. Thank you, all. ManGoBangla (talk) 15:58, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

"staff writer"

is it ok to use "staff writer" for the author of a citation? ltbdl (talk) 07:36, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Seems like inserting <!--Not stated--> or <!--Staff writer(s); no by-line.--> is the standard procedure here; the former is mentioned in Help:Citation Style 1#Authors, while the latter is mentioned in the talk archives for that page a decent amount. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 07:54, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Nope. It will look like "a friend of my said xxxxx", to improve the skill of citing, please have a read on WP:CITE or try to use WP:PROVEIT, the latter is a helpful tool for providing citation with correct formats. -Lemonaka‎ 10:13, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

wikipedia page suggestion

Hi, My page was getting declined; whether there are any changes that should be made, may you suggest with that? THIS WAS MY USER NAME Scottwilliam2609 (talk) 09:02, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

There are numerous problems with your draft, many of which are detailed on your talk page. Please follow those links and read about the relevant Misplaced Pages policies. If there is a specific policy you don't understand feel free to ask here. Shantavira| 09:15, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Scottwilliam2609 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read about conflict of interest and paid editing; declaring a paid editing relationship is a Terms of Use requirement; I note that you claimed the logo of the company as your own personal work. This was improper; by claiming the logo as your own work and uploading it to Misplaced Pages you made it available for anyone to use and even potentially make money off of as long as attribution is provided. Company logos are the work of the company, and must be uploaded under "fair use" to this Misplaced Pages directly and cannot be on Commons(which only host "free"(in terms of copyright) images. Logos cannot be in drafts until the draft is accepted and placed in the encyclopedia.

Please review the advice left by reviewers. Misplaced Pages is not a place for companies to tell about themselves and what they do. A Misplaced Pages article about a company must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Misplaced Pages definition of a notable company. Misplaced Pages is not interested in what a company says about itself, only in what others wholly unconnected with the company choose to say about it. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 09:16, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Please see your user talk page for more information. 331dot (talk) 09:18, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Talk page

Hello. Why I'm not notified when someone has replied to my comment(s) on the talk page of an article? Every time I have to open "user contributions" page and click every single of my contributions to find out if I have replies or not! Aminabzz (talk) 11:00, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@Aminabzz, you only get notified when someone pings you, like I just did, or when they write on your talkpage. Beyond that, it's up to you to check threads that you're interested in, though WP:SUBSCRIBE may be of help. The WP:WATCHLIST is another way to keep some track of things in general. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:11, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have articles you are monitoring watchlisted? Then edits to the articles and their talk pages will appear in your watchlist. 331dot (talk) 11:11, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@Aminabzz: Welcome to the Teahouse. Are you sure that they're not showing up in the icon at the top of the screen? You can check to see if Preferences → Editing → Discussion pages → Enable topic subscription and Preferences → Editing → Discussion pages → Automatically subscribe to topics are checked. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:49, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

how to create a Misplaced Pages for myself if i don't have news articles

how i create wikipedia from my self SHASHWATPRAVEEN (talk) 12:26, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Basically, you don't. For a subject to qualify for a Misplaced Pages article, it needs sustained in-depth coverage in reliable secondary sources. Otherwise, it's probably more appropriate for a different venue like social media. GMG 12:29, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello. One does not create "a Misplaced Pages", but a Misplaced Pages article. Misplaced Pages is not a place to write about yourself, it is a place to summarize what others choose to say about you showing how you are notable as Misplaced Pages defines it. Please read the autobiography policy. If no independent reliable sources write about you, you cannot have a Misplaced Pages article. You should use social media to tell about yourself instead. 331dot (talk) 12:29, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

If you don't find the previous replies clear: writing about yourself is strongly discouraged. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:42, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Archive Talk Page

Could someone please archive the discussion on the talk page of Emily Austin (journalist) regarding the page move. Thanks. MaskedSinger (talk) 13:55, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@MaskedSinger I don't think it is customary to archive a section as recent as that, particularly since it is all that's ever been on that Talk Page and is not over 75 KB, which is the standard size above which archiving is advised. The methods to set up archiving, if necessary, are explained at H:ARC Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:05, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

ok thanks! MaskedSinger (talk) 14:07, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Correcting the Facts

How should I proceed? I want to correct an article on Misplaced Pages that's historically inaccurate. I have the public documentation to prove it.

Thanks for taking my question. Ed Morykwas (talk) 14:15, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Morykwas, welcome to the Teahouse.

You can only change or add information to a Misplaced Pages article if you have a reliable published source. See Misplaced Pages:Verifiability. You shouldn't add any material for which no reliable, published sources exists. This is Misplaced Pages:No original research, which is against Misplaced Pages policy.

If you are unsure- let us know the name of the article, the changes you want to make, and the source of your information (this could be a book, a webpage, a journal article, etc as long as it is Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources). Qcne (talk) 14:39, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello Ed Morykwas,

In addition to what User:Qcne said, you may also discuss the information you want to change on the talk page of the article, before actually making the change. This would let other editors know that you are about to change the information, and you can reason with them using the sources you have. Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 14:51, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Okay, here's the page I'm talking about:

Famous Birthdays

The article states that the Famous Birthdays website was founded in 2012 by Evan Britton. This is absolutely not true. I created the website in 1996 and sold it to Mr. Britton in 2011. I would like to amend the "Background" section of the Misplaced Pages article to reflect that fact.

Here's my proof:

The Internet Archive has a copy of my site from December 12, 1998 -- fourteen years before it was supposedly founded.

The Internet Archive has many captures over the years, showing when I owned and maintained the site. The most interesting one is from January 3, 2012, after Mr. Britton took over the site. The headline at the top says "Over 20 Million Visitors Since 1996" which definitively proves that it wasn't created in 2012. The copyright notice at the bottom also refers to 1996.

It was named "Site of the Week" by the Detroit Free Press on February 4, 2001 -- eleven years before 2012.

It was also featured on the front page of our local newspaper on February 22, 2001.

All I want to do is revise the Misplaced Pages article to tell the truth. Here's my recommended revision of the "Background" section:

Background

Updated to its current form in 2012 by Evan Britton, who has since described the website as "Misplaced Pages for Generation Z", Famous Birthdays originally focused on more traditional celebrities (such as actors, athletes, musicians, etc.), but has since expanded to also feature internet personalities. This shift came after Britton discovered that visitors were searching for individuals unfamiliar to him; at first mistaking the traffic as spam, he realized that the searches were of people with online followings such as Cameron Dallas.

The website was originally created by Ed Morykwas, a Michigan schoolteacher, in the early days of the World Wide Web. A version from December 12, 1998 can be seen at the Internet Archive . It was chosen as the Detroit Free Press Site of the Week on February 4, 2001 . It was also on the front page of Ed's hometown newspaper that same month . He maintained the site for 15 years before selling it in 2011.

6. INTERNET ARCHIVE - SEARCH IT FOR THE WEBSITE URL (Apparently, I cannot mention a new external link to a site registered on Misplaced Pages's blacklist or Wikimedia's global blacklist, but it's easy to find.)

https://web.archive.org/

7. DETROIT FREE PRESS

https://www.newspapers.com/article/detroit-free-press-free-press-site-of-th/128501189/

8. TROY ECCENTRIC NEWSPAPER

https://riveroftime.net/troy-eccentric.jpg Ed Morykwas (talk) 16:27, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

This sounds like information you should give to The Atlantic and other sources that differ from your claim, to get them to issue corrections. You may wish to discuss the sources you have in support of what you say on the article talk page, Talk:Famous Birthdays. 331dot (talk) 16:48, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

can you review this article?

the article is 3D Control Systems Stevannus rua (talk) 14:17, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@Stevannus rua I don't think that it needs review, as it is already in mainspace (i.e. not a Draft). Thanks for improving it with your contributions. It still seems to have no incoming article links, so that would be something worth working on. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:37, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

+ its missing categories Stevannus rua (talk) 16:05, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

How to link the website

Hi,

I found an article: Daily Hive and there is no website. I added the website but realized that the website was not linked (can't click it to go to it). So then I undid the edit. How do you link the website? Myrealnamm (talk) 14:25, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@Myrealnamm This is one of these things that's handled at Wikidata. If you add the template {{Official URL}} as part of the |website= parameter in the infobox, it will work. Some cases don't if Wikidata doesn't have the information. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:33, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I was using the visual editor and clicked on the info box and edited and added the link. I will try it Thx! Myrealnamm (talk) 14:38, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

By the way should I add https://  ? Myrealnamm (talk) 14:41, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

I added https:// and it seems to be linked up. Myrealnamm (talk) 14:43, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull I found the link on wikidata here:

https://www.wikidata.org/Q39087049

in the third column. Does that count? I tried source editor and switched back to visual, but the link was still in black letters, not in blue as a link. Myrealnamm (talk) 14:42, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@Myrealnamm You don't need the link as such. Just place the template in the infobox using the source editor and it all works like magic! (I've done it now on Daily Hive). Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:07, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

OK, I understand now! Thank you! Myrealnamm (talk) 15:28, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

WikiTree

Advice, please, over a little war that has been raging on the WikiTree article (in which I have in the past been a participant but do not really want to resume).

WikiTree is a free genealogy site that generates very mixed feelings among users and ex-users. The latter tend to be disillusioned, particularly if they have been arbitrarily blocked, and to express themselves in at times non-encyclopedic ways. The former defend themselves by regularly manipulating the text of the article to plug their site and forestall criticism.

Do we just accept this to-and-fro as part of the rhythm of the universe, or is the apparent ownership of the article veering towards a breach of Misplaced Pages standards? If those who slant the text in their favour are actually employees of WikiTree, that would I think be wrong. But if they are just fans, what can be done? Keep countering their claims and continue the war? Belle Fast (talk) 15:57, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

If there is evidence of disruptive behavior, gather a list of diffs that show that evidence of misbehavior, and concisely explain the problem in a post at the Incidents Noticeboard. That's the usual way to handle people disrupting the productive work environment at a Misplaced Pages article. --Jayron32 16:50, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Fiction books as sources

On the page Bradley Winslow I've used a fiction book as a source for a description of his appearance. It seems accurate, but I'm wondering if that would be considered a reliable source? I've emailed the author about where he sourced his description, because from pictures it does seem accurate. I'll remove it if he based it solely of of pictures. Lallint 16:56, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

On the sixth page it states ‘This is a work of fiction. Names, characters, organizations, places, events, and incidents are either products of the authors imagination or used fictitiously. So I'd assume that means that he based it solely off of pictures? The description in question describes him as a "tall, somewhat portly man with short brown hair and nose ruddy with veins". Lallint 17:00, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

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