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| Hello Jimbo. What are your thoughts about Misplaced Pages forcefully used as propaganda? Misplaced Pages relies on reliable sources, but oftentimes historically reliable sources have been muzzled and used to only publish narratives favorable to the official narrative. For example in Guatemala, during the ] that lasted around 40 years, the government routinely killed journalists, activists, critics that dared to speak too much against its interests. As a result, reliable sources during many years did not publish freely what they wanted but were likely heavily censored by the government. Even currently, ] was shut down by the government. Its owner ] and his lawyer were jailed on a disproportional persecution. Best regards, <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:0 7px;background:orange">]</span> ] 02:49, 4 August 2023 (UTC) | Hello Jimbo. What are your thoughts about Misplaced Pages forcefully used as propaganda? Misplaced Pages relies on reliable sources, but oftentimes historically reliable sources have been muzzled and used to only publish narratives favorable to the official narrative. For example in Guatemala, during the ] that lasted around 40 years, the government routinely killed journalists, activists, critics that dared to speak too much against its interests. As a result, reliable sources during many years did not publish freely what they wanted but were likely heavily censored by the government. Even currently, ] was shut down by the government. Its owner ] and his lawyer were jailed on a disproportional persecution. Best regards, <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:0 7px;background:orange">]</span> ] 02:49, 4 August 2023 (UTC) | ||
| :I think it is important to use diverse sources, particularly those outside the reach of authoritarian goverments. In the case of a country like Guatemala this may be easier than in other places, since there are many other Spanish-language news sources outside Guatemala.--] (]) 10:46, 4 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
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For a listing of ongoing discussions, see the dashboard.Search suggestions not optimal
Misplaced Pages's search suggestion engine seems like it could be better. If one types "Ana" into the search box, the first suggestion after Ana is Anal sex. It appears ahead of Anarchism, Anatomy, and Anatolia. Oddly, Ana de Armas has more daily views than any of these, yet is not shown. But in particular, seeing "anal sex" as the second suggestion here does not feel on par with industry leaders. I know Misplaced Pages is not censored, but we should also not MOS:SHOCK users, some of who are children. TarkusAB 02:04, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- While, per alphabet, this is
H I J K L M N O P Q R S T So anal sex maybe the first suggestion. -Lemonaka 02:15, 13 July 2023 (UTC)- I don't think that's how it works. Anabolic steroid is the 7th suggestion. TarkusAB 02:24, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- Anaheim, California is the fourth! CMD (talk) 02:51, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- I don't think that's how it works. Anabolic steroid is the 7th suggestion. TarkusAB 02:24, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- If anyone's curious, the details of the algorithm are described at mw:Help:CirrusSearch#Search suggestions. If someone wants to request a change to the algorithm or a change to problematic results, you'd probably want to create a ticket on Phabricator and tag it CirrusSearch. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 05:24, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you TarkusAB 06:31, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- I definitely agree that this seems sub-optimal. And I agree that Misplaced Pages should not shock users, and this likely would, at least to some minimal extent. It would be rather difficult to, other than manually, go through all 3 letter combinations and reorder suggestions to minimize "not safe for work" topics, and of course very controversial and hard to try to even do that. I'm going to read the link about how it works, just for my personal interest, but of course the suggestion of a phabricator ticking as a starting point is a good one.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 14:27, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- Addendum: I did a couple of minutes of research by testing various three letter combinations that I thought might lead to swear words or otherwise offensive terms. I couldn't think of many off the top of my head so I looked for a list and found this somewhat amusing bit of research from Ofcom, the UK television (and soon, Internet) regulator: Attitudes to potentially offensive language and gestures on TV and radio Quick Reference Guide. While very UK centric, it does provide an amusing read, and could be useful to anyone who wants to give this matter serious consideration. I started out, per the report above, thinking about "mature" content, but this report led me to also think about terms that are insulting or derogatory. Misplaced Pages quite rightly has articles about these terms, they are part of the world and an encyclopedic article describing the terms and their history is valuable. It's not clear to me, though, that some of them are appropriate to suggest too early. (Obviously if you type enough letters, you'll get to them and that's fine.)--Jimbo Wales (talk) 14:37, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- Indeed. It's a fascinating problem to ponder. Thanks for replying. TarkusAB 19:06, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- I scrolled through that list a bit. Never came across the English word "munter" before, but it's Swedish for "cheerful". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:27, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
- Addendum: I did a couple of minutes of research by testing various three letter combinations that I thought might lead to swear words or otherwise offensive terms. I couldn't think of many off the top of my head so I looked for a list and found this somewhat amusing bit of research from Ofcom, the UK television (and soon, Internet) regulator: Attitudes to potentially offensive language and gestures on TV and radio Quick Reference Guide. While very UK centric, it does provide an amusing read, and could be useful to anyone who wants to give this matter serious consideration. I started out, per the report above, thinking about "mature" content, but this report led me to also think about terms that are insulting or derogatory. Misplaced Pages quite rightly has articles about these terms, they are part of the world and an encyclopedic article describing the terms and their history is valuable. It's not clear to me, though, that some of them are appropriate to suggest too early. (Obviously if you type enough letters, you'll get to them and that's fine.)--Jimbo Wales (talk) 14:37, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
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Thoughts on propaganda?
Hello Jimbo. What are your thoughts about Misplaced Pages forcefully used as propaganda? Misplaced Pages relies on reliable sources, but oftentimes historically reliable sources have been muzzled and used to only publish narratives favorable to the official narrative. For example in Guatemala, during the armed conflict that lasted around 40 years, the government routinely killed journalists, activists, critics that dared to speak too much against its interests. As a result, reliable sources during many years did not publish freely what they wanted but were likely heavily censored by the government. Even currently, a newspaper was shut down by the government. Its owner Jose Ruben Zamora and his lawyer were jailed on a disproportional persecution. Best regards, Thinker78 (talk) 02:49, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- I think it is important to use diverse sources, particularly those outside the reach of authoritarian goverments. In the case of a country like Guatemala this may be easier than in other places, since there are many other Spanish-language news sources outside Guatemala.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 10:46, 4 August 2023 (UTC)