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= in usernames

It appears some people think that ='s aren't a problem, and that users should use the 1= notation, and that bots should be reprogrammed to understand this. _InBC 18:00, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Not spam

Please take a look at http://www.freewebs.com/ganymedes/index.htm and stop removing it from Fabian S. Woodley. It isn't spam or an inappropriate external link. —Angr 14:16, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Ditto on the links deleted from Hendrik Van Riessen, D. H. Th. Vollenhoven, and Abraham Kuyper, which I have restored. --Flex (talk|contribs) 14:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Ditto to the links on Ambulance Romance, His First Crush, Found in the Flood. THe site was to a good lyric site that has them written better that pretty much any other site on the web. Violask81976 23:22, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

please stop the bot removals

Misplaced Pages is a human-edited encyclopedia with a few functions occasionally delegated to maintenance bots. While there's a lot of crappy links and sourcing in the encyclopedia that should undoubtedly be cleaned up, each and every one of them is a matter of editorial judgement. You are doing massive amounts of editing with some kind of automated script or bot, that is apparently not applying any judgement to the individual edits. Numerous people are asking you in various ways to stop this. PLEASE STOP. I'm about to file an incident report at ANI about this. 64.160.39.153 19:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

He has stopped. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 20:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

My mistake-- I somehow looked at an incorrect contribs page, in which it appeared as if the edits were still happening. Thanks. 64.160.39.153 20:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

A second on this, too. He wreaked havoc on two pages that I edit. I'm new so I'm not sure how to file an incident report. Fredsmith2 08:44, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

VP Approval

hey betacommand, i tried to hit you up on irc. you approved me in the last batch, but the software says im not on the user list. can you look into it when you have time? tx. the_undertow 00:09, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Balls and vase problem

You removed the links to the sci.math newgroup threads in the "External links" section of Balls and vase problem. Assuming you have a valid point for doing so, you should also have rewritten the sentence preceding it, or simply removed the entire section; as it stands now, there is an incomplete sentence. On the other hand, the sentence introducing the links accurately described them as a "sampling of discussions" about the problem, and they do not (and should not) appear in the "References" section. — Loadmaster 00:15, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Check out the 15 previous sections. —METS501 (talk) 00:19, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Approval withdrawn

—METS501 (talk) 00:27, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Let me add to this: The bot flag for your bot has been removed and all permission to run it has been denied. Please discuss it on the various pages as appropriate or it will be blocked. I'm just alerting you, but I'm not aware of all the specifics behind the removal. -- RM 12:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Errm... that task has had 0 complaints in 2 weeks during trial. This bot is not the same thing as what beta did yesterday. I'm really starting to think this was a punitive action. I don't see what harm it is designed to prevent, the bot already had approval from tawker, and had 0 complaints in 2 weeks. Please clarify on what this is to prevent. Thanks. —— Eagle101 17:04, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Removal of AfD template

I think this was in error: Pete.Hurd 01:37, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Review of List of backmasked messages's links

Hello, I noticed you did some work earlier on some of my Watchlist articles in removing questionable Yahoo, MSN, etc links that are contra WP:EL. Could you please look at List of backmasked messages. This user asked for a third opinion on another of my other Watchlist files (backmasking), which was unfavorable to him. He is now not working on that article but concentrated on this list. Thanks, Morenooso 02:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

More on ADERANT

You were fairly quick to kill links to ADERANT after you deleted the page. Wre you trying to hide how linked-to the article was? We need a policy against such chicanery. --Nélson Ricardo 16:49, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

not at all that is my default deletion behavior. I do that with pages and images both. it helps prevent re-re-recreation wars with pages. Betacommand 16:53, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

PS if you look at my monobook you should see georgemoney's csd.js which removes links when deleteing pages

Hmm. Sounds very sketchy. You need to change your highly questionable settings. If there are red lnks all over the place for a given topic, that could indicate that it merits an article. What you are doing obfuscates the process. You are basically destroying evidence that can be used to argue for the keeping of an article. --Nélson Ricardo 16:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

If its deleted then there should not be red links to it as it was deleted for a reason. Betacommand 17:01, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Beta, do you know where I can get that script from and how to use it? -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:01, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

see User:GeorgeMoney/csd.js that adds a tab and a prompt for deletion, type the CSD code in IE A7,G11,I5 ect for default summaries or s and type your personal summary. Betacommand 17:07, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the number of redlinks that there are does not in any way give an argument for why an article should exist. Instead please read relevant policies on what is and is not acceptable as an article. Arguments for keeping an article should be based on those policies and guidelines, not on how many redlinks there are. —— Eagle101 17:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, it does provide some indication. Don't we have a page called most requested articles or something that counts red links? --Nélson Ricardo 17:11, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know, arguments for keeping articles have always had to be based on our policies and guidelines. Otherwise I could just add a crapload of wikilinks to This Item and say that it is notable, where our policies and guidelines may state otherwise. —— Eagle101 17:40, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

George Money

You are probably busy but could you look at me User:Chrislk02/monobook.js and see if you could venture a guess as to why I cant get the csd thing to work. Thanks! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:37, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

A personal request

Hi. Look, User:Requestion and I have disagreed quite strongly in the past but I must say that he is a very valued member of WT:WPSPAM and works very hard for the good of Misplaced Pages. His adding the spam link to the spammer's talk page is a common practice for the various reasons laid out on the Wikiproject Spam talk page. You and I may disagree on whether that's a good idea to do this, but certainly Requestion was acting in good faith and a warning tag is stigmatizing. Can I ask that you consider perhaps striking through your warning?

Thanks for your consideration. --A. B. 18:17, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks A. B., I appreciate that. Betacommand and I are cool with everything. The reasoning was wrong but it is starting to grow on me and I'm actually getting kind of fond of my {{uw-spam1}} tag. My thinking now is maybe a little humor will help with the angry spammers. (Requestion 20:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC))

Link

Hey, curious why you deleted that link from Moria. It looked good to me. I reread the Misplaced Pages policy pages you linked to, and that link seems fine to me. Can you explain please? LeinadSpoon 20:07, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

I have blocked this bot till all issues are resolved on WP:BN =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:28, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:ATT vs WP:EL

Regarding edit to Westfield Penrith, under the summary text m (Removing external link: *.gpt.com.au -- per external link guidelines). Inline citations - especially where they are the only reference in a given article - clearly come under WP:ATT. Encyclopedic content must be attributable to a reliable source. Please don't remove the only inline citation that an article has under the edit comment of complying with WP:EL. I know in this case the inline citation is to the website of the co-owner of this complex, however it is still the source for the factual information contained in the article. Please don't revert my recent edit to reinstate this link and to insert additional information from the reference indicated. Thanks. Garrie 22:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Err, and if the link fails WP:RS? Don't tell me that the new policy has not merged well with existing guidelines. —— Eagle101 02:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Your recent edit

Hi, Betacommand. Your 17:12, 21 March 2007 edit to the Israeli folk dancing article raised an issue or two for me that I don't think I've seen mentioned by others discussing your recent "bot removals"; I'd like to discuss them. However, being so new to WP editing, I first have a preliminary question.

I learned of your edit when I saw on my watchlist the entry for a subsequent edit (00:40, 22 March 2007 Arichnad) to that same article. Even though my watchlist is set to show all edits, I don't see an entry there for your edit. Is that because Arichnad "undid" your edit, or was your edit done in such a way that it doesn't show on my watchlist?

Thanks, --Rich Janis 08:28, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Gay and Lesbian Kingdom of the Coral Sea Islands

Hello, why did you remove the link to the Yahoo discussion group in the article Gay and Lesbian Kingdom of the Coral Sea Islands? This is an essential part of the history of the entity in question. We have discussed the issue thousand times already, and now you remove the link without any consultations. I apologize, but I will restore. Vanrozenheim 09:28, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Yahoo Group

Is a link to a yahoo group, that does NOT require registration, a violation of wikipedia policy?

There's a reason for this yahoo group link, because it's mentioned in a bunch of articles.

Please explain yourself or turn off your bot.

Fredsmith2 13:50, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I am manually removing links to inappropriate yahoo groups. Please see Misplaced Pages policy and guidelines. WP:EL WP:RS WP:V links to yahoo groups should not be linked to. Betacommand 13:54, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Well if you are manually removing the links to inappropriate yahoo groups, why do u keep an empty heading? See: Grey-headed Parakeet for example. I certainly believe you can do a better job than this. Luffy487 14:09, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Because the MOS suggest having an EL section even if there are no EL's Betacommand 14:11, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, I have browse through Misplaced Pages:External links, Misplaced Pages:Guide to layout and Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (headings) but I can't find any section which says to keep EL even if there is no EL. Could you show me where is that section? Thanks. Luffy487 14:19, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Ill see if I can find it. it as either on a MOS page or in discussions somewhere. Betacommand 14:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Well never mind. Thanks. I will remove the EL myself as it don't look good on the article... Luffy487 14:25, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you think you could pause a bit and find that now. You've left about 50 empty "External links" headings and at least 10 empty subheaders, like Yahoogroups about Israeli folk dancing, within "External links" sections. I'm guessing the MOS doesn't suggest that. --Onorem 15:29, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Slow down a bit

Edits such as this one where you leave an empty 'groups' section behind are making you look like a bot again. - Ehheh 15:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

And I notice you're removing all the usaid sites - even in places there they're the offical site of the group described in an article ( , which is #1 in 'What should be linked' at WP:EL - Ehheh 15:07, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

see as usaid.gov 85% spam. Betacommand 15:09, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

85% != 100%. If we have articles about USAID offices, then the links are appropriate in those articles. - Ehheh 15:11, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with Ehheh, here. If, when all is said and done, your removals turn out to be 85% useful, and 15% vandalism, you'll be considered a vandal. You can't just go around deleting useful article content and use the fact that you also delete useless content as an excuse. You really do need to be responsible for each and every one of your edits. This isn't an emergency where the encyclopedia will break down if you don't so something right now and damn the consequences. You can afford to take the time to look carefully; and, if in doubt don't delete.. --AnonEMouse 15:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Michael E. Grost ( http://home.aol.com/MG4273/ ) looks like a recognized expert on the subjects of mystery films, stories, and comic books. He's contributed well written thoughtful essays to many sites. http://www.trussel.com/maig/grost.htm http://www.thefilmjournal.com/issue13/pan.html His site is a recommended link by PBS and UCBerkeley. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/dillinger/filmmore/fr.html http://learn.berkeley.edu/mktg/x103.9d/resources/mat2_links.html I'd say that falls under the WP:EL#Links_normally_to_be_avoided #11 part of "Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority." --AnonEMouse 16:19, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Why do you think the AFP is "not reliable source"?

Agence France-Presse - looks pretty reliable to me ("the oldest news agency in the world" and all that). --HanzoHattori 15:12, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I havent edited that page not sure what your talking about, sorry Betacommand 15:14, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Removal of external links

Hi! I see you have been removing a lot of links to newsgroups from articles. While WP:RS says that newsgroup posts shouldn't be used as sources for referencing article content, in many cases they are appropriate in an external link section, directing readers to more information about a subject, for example on computing topics like JSON. I do not believe that this is in conflict with the rule in WP:RS that says newsgroups can't be used as sources, since here it is not used as a source.

Also, I note that you are using the same edit summary for all your link removals ("removing inappropriate link per WP:EL, WP:SPAM, WP:RS, and WP:NOT") even in cases where those policies do not apply - e.g. links to newsgroups are not in violation of WP:SPAM. Please consider using more informative edit summaries, to specify which part of policy is applicable in each case. For example, an informative edit summary would be "removing link to commercial site", "removing this reference as ... is not considered a reliable source per WP:RS", etc.

It appears that many users have been questioning your link removals lately. Maybe you should consider stopping removing these links until all the issues raised have been settled? Gandoman 16:04, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

That JSON removal is not a news group it is a yahoo Discussion Group that is not a news group and thus should not be linked to. Betacommand 16:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

You removed a link to USAID, a US govt. agency. That link is obviously NOT spam, is a reliable source, and does meet WP:EL. Please explain. – Chacor 16:09, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Please see above. Betacommand 16:10, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

And on your part, please respond to the new thread at ANI. Cheers. – Chacor 16:12, 23 March 2007 (UTC)