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Hi. Just to let you know, that this article has been nominated for deletion. -Mardus /talk 02:10, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I think this AfD is a mistake. —A. B. 12:50, 23 May 2023 (UTC) A. B. 12:50, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

m:Wikiproject:Antispam

Welcome back! If you haven't seen already: m:Wikiproject:Antispam is a cross-wiki anti-spam project. It focuses on undisclosed paid-for spam articles but also does cross-wiki spam cleanup. I've been seeing more instances where UPE spammers are also link spammers. MER-C 19:01, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome. It makes me happy to hear from you.

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Scottywong case opened

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AN

Second sentence is why I'm not sure your search comes up correctly (on system end, not yours). Just didn't find that appropriate for the eyes of the Board. Star Mississippi 01:33, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Little oops

I saw your edit to Jack4576's talk page. Twinkle1990 identifies as she/her (per her WP prefs visible on mouseover popup). Just fyi. Schazjmd (talk) 18:03, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Oops indeed!

Thanks for letting me know.

--A. B. 19:31, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

AlisonW case request accepted

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/AlisonW. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/AlisonW/Evidence. Please add your evidence by June 30, 2023, which is when the evidence phase closes. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz 23:51, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for all you do

		The Barnstar of Diplomacy
		I just saw how you stood by me to ensure that the pages I created on Nigerian topics don’t get deleted. You’re appreciated. Amaekuma (talk) 09:18, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I'm honored. A. B. 13:19, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Proposed decision posted for the AlisonW case

The proposed decision for the AlisonW case has been posted. Statements regarding the proposed decision are welcome at the talk page. Please note that comments must be made in your own section. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz 15:24, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/AlisonW closed

The arbitration case Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/AlisonW has been closed, and the final decision is viewable at the case page. The following remedy has been enacted:

• For failure to meet the conduct standards expected of an administrator, AlisonW's administrative user rights are removed. She may regain them at any time via a successful request for adminship.

For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz 17:45, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/AlisonW closed

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A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Thank you for addressing an unfounded personal attack, both in the AfD and on the ANI page. You spoke up against injustice and went on and beyond expectations! gidonb (talk) 00:01, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you

I am grateful to you for voting to keep Arleen McCarty Hynes. I found her on Women in Red, and have been learning how to write bios by crafting ones from its ranks that fall within my interests. WIR cautions that they won't all necessarily be notable, but I thought she was and I'm honored you stepped in to agree. Fortunaa (talk) 21:41, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Thank you for all of the time you spend checking, rechecking and tracking down references in AFD discussions. You indeed seem tireless! Liz 02:57, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I try to think "What would Liz think of this?" --A. B. 03:06, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

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Re. WP:BITE

Hi! I thought that concerns about my behavior (in this case re WP:BITE) are better discussed on a talk page, rather than at an AFD.

First, I‘d like to say that I fundamentally agree that it would be a shame if these editors did not continue to contribute to WP. However, my interactions with them were clearly aimed at helping them navigate the complex policies and guidelines.

My very first interaction (after the automated PROD message) was to offer my help. The subsequent misunderstanding regarding WP:PAID was unfortunate, but I think understandable given the wording of their reply. I apologised and informed them of WP:COI, which clearly applies here.

I then [[offered my help again, and then we had a brief exchange about independence of sources.

I think opening the SPI investigation is clearly explained over there and quite legitimate. While good intentions should be assumed, and I did make that assumption, meatpuppeting is nonetheless inappropriate (and can look very similar to sockpuppeting).

As the PROD was declined and notability issues were not addressed, I think an AFD was quite appropriate.

Again, it really would be a shame if these editors are so discouraged as to not return. But I‘m not sure how I should have handled this better without overstretching AGF beyond reasonability. I‘m open to the idea that I may have messed up; if I have, please tell me what I should have done differently. I appreciate your time with this, thanks for taking a look! :)Actualcpscm (talk) 12:06, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, now we have a double BITE problem, which is that I was on a real warpath when I left those messages. I realized this several hours later. So please accept my apologies.

In the meantime, I'll think about your question.

Thanks for reaching out and thanks for caring!

—13:54, 2 August 2023 (UTC) A. B. 13:54, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

No worries! :) I understand that this outcome (we might lose valuable editors) really sucks, and defending newcomers against biting is important, so thanks to you as well for caring! Hopefully you can get them back to working on WP (referring to your emails). Happy editing! :) Actualcpscm (talk) 14:05, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	For doing the right thing in multiple places after an initially unpleasant misunderstanding, and for calling me out when you suspected wrongdoing. Actualcpscm (talk) 19:27, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm really honored!

Suggestion - talk to an admin to withdraw the AfD "without prejudice" for now until the volunteers are done with it, then reevaluate it for notability.

Just a thought - your call.

--A. B. 19:30, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Seems reasonable, but I'm not sure why I need an admin for that – I could just withdraw (i.e. speedy keep) and make clear that it's with the intention of having the AFD later. Or did you have something else in mind? Actualcpscm (talk) 19:43, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

That's a better idea! Let the volunteers know.

--A. B. 19:54, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Question

Hi A. B., I saw you had added some additional WikiProject notifications at WP:Articles for deletion/Felix Omobude. Is there a tool that makes adding such notifications easy? S0091 (talk) 17:14, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

If you find one, let me know. I did those manually. If it looks like I did them quickly, it's just because I had three browser windows open and was copying and pasting. When I was done, I hit "publish changes" in quick succession.

I need to be more proactive in looking for tools. I was a prolific editor/admin 10-15 years ago, then took a 10-year Wikibreak. I'm sort of still in 2012!

--A. B. 17:24, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, that just reminded me that 2012 was more than a decade ago :O Actualcpscm (talk) 17:29, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

I was more interesting then.

--A. B. 17:33, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Sometimes I think a topic is a bit too off by itself get much benefit from our traditional deletion-sorting lists; I'll post at a specialized Wikiproject. The classic example is:

Misplaced Pages: Articles for deletion/H₂weh₁yú

For starters, how do you even pronounce H₂weh₁yú? It looks like a name Elon Musk would give his child.

It's a Proto-Indo-European reconstructed word so I left a message for the experts at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Linguistics.

Some might call this CANVASSING; I call it a cry for help.

--A. B. 17:34, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Lol, never thought this question would lead to Elon Musk. Dang, was hoping you had some magic up you sleeve but kudos to you for making the effort manually. S0091 (talk) 17:48, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

notability

FWIW several notability criteria have tightened since 2012 (welcome back, btw :) ). NSPORTS and PORNBIO come to mind (the latter was simply deprecated), but also NCORP, which was completely rewritten 5ish years ago. It is a higher standard than GNG now, including e.g. Attention solely from local media ... or media of limited interest and circulation ... is not an indication of notability. (noticed your comment at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Air Charter Service (2nd nomination)). I don't know if that one's notable, and probably won't offer a !vote -- just a heads up. :) — Rhododendrites \\ 16:37, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

KumoSpace

Outside the AfD discussion, thought you may be interested in this. Could be an opportunity to address the concerns of NCORP and how it is applied. CNMall41 (talk) 23:56, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks!

--A. B. 23:58, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Important notice

This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.

You have shown interest in India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Misplaced Pages's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.

Aman Kumar Goel 12:10, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. These should definitely apply to those 2 AfDs and their associated articles; especially WP:1RR.

Do not strike comments by other participants on the basis of unproven sock allegations as you have done. Get a checkuser first. Otherwise you are violating WP:ATTACK.

You are on the verge of getting sanctioned.

These AfDs will probably end up at WP:ANI, given current behaviour by many on both sides. You don't want to end up in the middle; outcomes are hard to predict. I suggest you just politely walk away for now to CYA; you've already made your points multiple times.

The closing admin will make their own decision based on evidence and policy, not folks' heated bludgeoning.

Do not CANVASS. There are indications of this on both sides. Checkusers have previously noted likely meat puppetry comments on your part. This could get you the "long goodbye" (indefinite ban).

I am driving the next several days and may be hard to reach. I have left Liz, an admin, a request to keep an eye on these articles and AfDs in the meantime.

Please, for your own good, lay low.

—A. B. 12:50, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

You are being outright misleading with your false claims here. Let me correct you on every single point:

1) What is the relevance of WP:1RR here? How it is applicable here?

2) Checkusers won't check IP socks. As per the policy they are discouraged to do it except in very exceptional cases.

3) I removed sock comments only because it was obvious as sky being blue that same sock is evading his block. All IPs got blocked within minutes. You are supposed to comply with the ethics even if they are opposed to your POV.

4) What "both sides"? You made frivolous attempts to save Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Kalki Avatar and Muhammad as proven with the "Delete" outcome on the AfD.

5) Where I am engaging in canvassing? Only canvassing is being done by the IP sock not only here but also on Wikipedias of other languages.

6) Not a single checkuser ever said that I am engaging in meatpuppetry.

Lastly, you will benefit from reading WP:CIR and WP:ASPERSIONS. You should read it urgently given your eagerness to make false claims. Just like you were doing on WP:AFD with regards to policies.

It makes no sense that you are trying to create conduct issue out of yourself with all these false claims over a block evading sockpuppet disrupting Misplaced Pages to create this article for over 10 years. Aman Kumar Goel 07:30, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Ok. I'm traveling. Take my advice above or don't take my advice - it's up to you. I'll be at the beach.

Cheers,

—A. B. 12:08, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

In case you haven't checked, I haven't edited either AfDs for 4 days now because the IP sock is apparently gone. Enjoy your vacation! Aman Kumar Goel 02:49, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

New pages patrol invitation

Hello, A. B.. The new pages patrol team is currently struggling to keep up with the influx of new articles needing review. We could use a few extra hands to help. I believe that someone with your activity and experience is very likely to meet the guidelines for granting. Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time, but it requires a strong understanding of Misplaced Pages’s CSD policy and notability guidelines. Kindly read the tutorial before making your decision, and feel free to post on the project talk page with questions. If patrolling new pages is something you'd be willing to help out with, please consider applying here. Thank you for your consideration. We hope to see you around! Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 17:30, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm traveling the next 2 weeks. Maybe after that.

Thanks for what you all do.

--A. B. 17:56, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

No worries, any time you feel up for it I'm confident the team would love to have you. Hope your travel goes smoothly! Hey man im josh (talk) 17:57, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

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Request reason:

I am requesting an IP block exemption as a long-time trusted editor with a clean block log. A. B. 01:08, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Accept reason:

IPBE granted for a year. --jpgordon 01:26, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

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Hello A. B., Just noticed that you will be away on vacation and wanted to wish you a good break. Take care. - Indefensible (talk) 05:30, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

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Don't

Make misleading reverts like that. Per WP:DENY and WP:SOCKSTRIKE, we are required not to waste time over requests by block evading socks.

If you have strong feelings over this AfD then start a new DRV on you own. Aman Kumar Goel 17:44, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

You are an involved party. You can be sanctioned for closing a DRV in which you’re involved, sock or no sock. A. B. 17:48, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

WP:DENY and WP:SOCKSTRIKE does not care about who is involved. Stop your disruptive editing. Aman Kumar Goel 17:53, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

@Aman.kumar.goel - be ready for an extensive review of your edits, these two articles, their 2 AfDs and the DRV at WP:ANI if you keep this up. I’m ready for mine to be reviewed.

—A. B. 17:54, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Don't let the door hit you. Aman Kumar Goel 17:56, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Your most recent comment aged poorly. You never even went to ANI.

You should’ve taken my advice from 4 days ago. Most IPs are ignorant of Misplaced Pages’s rules and you’ve found them easy to abuse by gaming the system. Your mistake is to now abrasively play wikilawyer with established editors who know this place even better than you.

I was an admin for several years before my long wikibreak. I’m not surprised this ended in tears.

—A. B. 18:47, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Can you substantiate your nonsensical claim that "Most IPs are ignorant of Misplaced Pages’s rules and you’ve found them easy to abuse by gaming the system"? Aman Kumar Goel 06:27, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Notice of Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents discussion

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:19, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

You knew that, but I am following process. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:21, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Process is important which is what that AfD and DRV are all about. I’m on the wrong side of the trend at DRV but that happens. What shouldn’t happen is the shenanigans I saw at the AfD and the DRV.

Thanks for doing your part, Robert.

—A. B. 23:32, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

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Hello. I'm sorry, but I don't understand this. In what way is this not unambiguous promotion? It's clear as day. Paul Vaurie (talk) 06:25, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

I removed the speedy tag on Draft:Punch Powertrain for several reasons:

1. The article is in draft space and it's not harming anything.
2. The company is probably notable if you look at the French Misplaced Pages's article: fr:Punch Powertrain
   • These guys are apparently global players -- perhaps the biggest -- in continuously variable transmission manufacturing.
   • That article is well-sourced. I looked at each ref.
   • A decent article is possible here.
3. We just gave the author feedback -- why not let them act on it first?

That was my reasoning, good or bad. A. B. 06:32, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

That's all good, but the draft was admittedly just promotion. Paul Vaurie (talk) 15:48, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Indeed, it has a POV tone; nevertheless Wp:G11 states:

• "This applies to pages that are exclusively promotional and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to serve as encyclopedia articles, rather than advertisements. If a subject is notable and the content could plausibly be replaced with text written from a neutral point of view, this is preferable to deletion.

—A. B. 16:00, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Related to Why Loiter? Campaign

The page was created by a group of people who did it together, hence there were edits by multiple users. Apart from that, does it not appear to be violating CSD A7 and CSD A11 if they are edited by a single group of people? The Activities section wholly looks that way. Requesting a friendly clarification so that I can differentiate the violations clearly in future. Thewikizoomer (talk) 06:53, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Let's look at these criteria as they apply to our Why Loiter? Campaign article:

• CSD A7: "This applies to any article about a real person, individual animal, commercial or non-commercial organization, web content, or organized event that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant, with the exception of educational institutions. This is distinct from verifiability and reliability of sources, and is a lower standard than notability."
  • The articles states right in the lede that this program was featured in BBC 100 women -- that's the BBC and it's global -- it asserts notability.
  • The article goes on to cite many references to support not just a claim of notability but actual notability
• CSD A11: "This applies to any article that plainly indicates that the subject was invented/coined/discovered by the article's creator or someone the creator personally knows, and does not credibly indicate why its subject is important or significant. The criterion does not apply to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance even if the claim is not supported by a reliable source or does not qualify under Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines."
  • Is there a reason to believe the editors that wrote the article invented this campaign or were somehow involved with its inception 9 years ago? I don't see any myself.
  • As noted above, the article asserts notability and is, in fact, notable.

Just because the Activities section sounds like the editors support the campaign doesn't mean you delete the article. Deletion ≠ cleanup. They cite references to support each claim. Collectively there's a POV issue but nothing that calls for deletion.

Does your tagging have anything to do with Sockpuppet investigations/TechGenWikinator03? It looks like this was possibly created during an edit-thon.

This is my reasoning and you are free to disagree with me. If you still feel the article should be deleted, you can take it to Articles for Deletion.

Regards,

--A. B. 07:16, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

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Quick question

Hey! Thanks for listing my PROD for National parishes (Quebec) at the Christianity deletion noticeboard. Do you use a tool to track AfDs and PRODs for Christianity-related subjects? If so, I'd love to use it to keep tabs so I can participate in those discussions even if they aren't listed. Thank you for your clerking! ~ Pbritti (talk) 05:54, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

No tool - I just skim the PROD and AfD lists for articles that interest me or for articles that I think need another set of eyes.

In the case of Quebec churches, it was both. I think your assessment is probably correct but I threw it out there "just in case". I was going to leave a note at WikiProject Quebec, too, but ran out of time. I was thinking that if there were refs, they'd be in French. Also, since this is a French topic, maybe the article's title in English isn't quite right.

Being lazy with terrible French skills, I outsource these concerns and any searching to others with a posting at deletion sorting.

I find about 25% of the PRODs I do this with get overturned by someone who knows the subject. In other cases, somebody puts a PROD2 tag, confirming an article is trash.

That article is fishy-looking to me. I think a posting at WikiProject Quebec would really smoke this out. If it's really a thing, the locals will know right away.

I'll do this in the morning.

Anyway, thanks for all your work on Christianity articles!!

—A. B. 08:48, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh, wow, you do it manually! You deserve every bit of credit you can get. Thank you for your willingness to take on what must feel like busywork—it really does help the project. Please feel welcome to ping me if you ever need a second set of eyes on something. Thank you for explaining your process, by the way; always nice hearing how another editor approaches things. ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:19, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Really, for me it's not busywork. Some deletions are like puzzles to be solved in the interest of getting a good outcome for Misplaced Pages. Reaching out for help is just one part of the process.

I don't deletion sort except articles that have caught my eye. Doing others would be sort of a chore.

I do some busywork - cleaning out old prod notices from deletion sorting lists but I view that as cleaning up after myself. Ditto hours cleaning out red links after recruiting others to delete about 100 articles about non-existent Manitoba train stations and towns. I thought I had them doing all the work but afterwards the joke was on me. More cleaning up after myself.

I'm also picky - there are whole topic areas I avoid either because I'm not interested (much of popular culture) or I have difficulty evaluating sources (Nigerian topics for example)

Ironically, I'm a deletionist at heart. I think we have a lot to purge. The majority of AfDs, CSDs and PRODs I tacitly support and don't bother to comment at. I see myself QC-ing a vital process.

Also, I tag dubious articles as I encounter them while reading for pleasure. I spend way too much time on Misplaced Pages reading for pleasure and not editing. More outsourcing- looks fishy but I'm enjoying reading.

I am very old school about automated editing - I should take a day or two studying how to improve my efficiency. That said, I suppose my "outsourcing" to others via deletion sorting and WikiProject notices is a way of increasing my efficiency and the scope of what I do.

Also much of what I do involves thinking - not sure Twinkle handles that. Additionally I spend too much time digging for references online - I'm always looking for ways to dig into more obscure topics.

I wish I had access to a big research university library and go look at paper books.

I've followed your work from a distance- it's people like you that do the high value stuff here!

—A. B. 16:09, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Hey, if you ever want access to print texts from university libraries, let me know. I will be relocating from my beloved Colorado (may the Rocky Mountain Empire stand tall) to Washington, D.C. If you ever want me to pop over to one of the various academic libraries—including the massive Library of Congress—I'll have general access through my work. I see you're really more of a recent return after an extended absence. For whatever time you're willing to continue contributing to the project, I'd love to enable your work. Consider this a belated welcome back! ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:48, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks!

—A. B. 21:50, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

@Pbritti, see:

• Misplaced Pages talk:Quebec Wikipedians' notice board#Proposed deletion: National parishes (Québec)

A. B. 23:36, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Love for you

I don't know how should it be expressed, but I will surely say, you are one of the greatest editors I found in english wikipedia, who evaluate edits with the highest honesty as far as possible. May God bless you. ❤️202.134.10.130 (talk) 17:14, 4 September 2023 (UTC)