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Section sizes Section size for Cuba (53 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 22,544 22,544 Etymology 980 980 History 177 79,102 Pre-Columbian era 3,112 3,112 Spanish colonization and rule (1492–1898) 7,955 7,955 Independence movements 9,723 9,723 Republic (1902–1959) 71 19,028 First years (1902–1925) 5,436 5,436 Revolution of 1933–1940 2,170 2,170 Constitution of 1940 3,498 3,498 Batista regime 7,853 7,853 Revolutionary government (1959–present) 48 39,107 Consolidation and nationalization (1959–1970) 13,467 13,467 Foreign interventions (1971–1991) 7,058 7,058 Political readjustments (1991–present) 18,534 18,534 Geography 2,124 12,328 Climate 3,216 3,216 Biodiversity 6,988 6,988 Government and politics 14,983 52,784 Administrative divisions 1,394 1,394 Foreign relations 18,050 26,473 Embargo by the United States (1960–present) 8,423 8,423 Military 3,436 3,436 Law enforcement 3,202 3,202 Human rights 3,296 3,296 Economy 27,322 35,271 Resources 2,469 2,469 Tourism 5,436 5,436 Transport 44 44 Demographics 1,815 43,722 Largest cities 1,797 1,797 Ethnoracial groups 5,692 5,692 Migration 16 7,592 Immigration 1,602 1,602 Emigration 5,974 5,974 Languages 1,485 1,485 Religion 6,587 6,587 Education 4,311 4,311 Health 11,614 14,443 Diet and Nutrition in the Cuban Household 2,829 2,829 Culture 798 13,751 Architecture 2,195 2,195 Literature 1,409 1,409 Music 2,101 2,101 Dance 1,616 1,616 Media 2,796 2,796 Cuisine 1,152 1,152 Sports 1,684 1,684 See also 163 163 Notes 34 34 References 33 33 Bibliography 12,195 12,195 External links 1,798 1,798 Total 274,705 274,705

Human Rights section in need of review; who wrote this?

Torture and weird sources

First of all, simply writing "The Cuban government has been accused of numerous human rights abuses including torture, arbitrary imprisonment, unfair trials, and extrajudicial executions" is not sufficient without mention of proper sources, for example NGO's or some recognized polity. I could accuse Norway of torture right now, so? What is this source supposed to be? http://www.cidh.org/countryrep/Cuba67sp/indice.htm It is dated 1967? Surely something more recent should be found, otherwise the section might aswell be moved to "history of Cuba" Torture? Extrajudicial executions? I can't find any mention of these in recent reports. Not even the US state department claims the Cuban government practices torture or extrajudicial execution. Here is the recent report by human rights watch https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2021/country-chapters/cuba#3159b0 It does not mention torture, sexual abuse of inmates or extrajudicial executions. Those parts should be removed or changed to include what time this accusation was made.

Needs update

Cuba had the second-highest number of imprisoned journalists of any nation in 2008 (China had the highest) according to various sources, including the Committee to Protect Journalists and Human Rights Watch

Here it is mentioned that the statistic stems from 2008, which is good. But this statistic is kind of useless other then mentioning a previous condition. It missrepresents Cuba for the average reader. Cuba did not even make the list of this 2018 ranking for imprisoned journalists: https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/12/13/where-the-most-journalists-are-imprisoned-worldwide-infographic/?sh=1b693b336332 The situation of journalists in Cuba is still under scrutany, but for different reasons. For example HRC writes: Cuba has the “most restricted climate for the press in the Americas” according to a 2019 Committee to Protect Journalists report.

WP:POV?

The section does not balance out the negatives with the positives, such as information about Cubans access to healthcare, free abortions and school etc. Accusations from 70 years ago are being represented as if they are currently being made (torture and executions)

recomendations

1. Remove claims of torture and extrajudicial executions from the first sentence 2. Mention were all accusations come from and source it 3. Remove the part about sexual abuse of inmates 4. Update section to represent current conditions. 5. Extend the section about the media with more information and remove the part about imprisonment of journalists.

-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Herooow (talk • contribs) 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Democratic Pluralist Ideology

Many edits are confusing democracy with partisan or pluralist democracy. Single party democracies exist *prior* to our own ideological beliefs on what the correct form of democracy is. Democracy is not pluralism of *parties* (partisanship) but the pluralism of *participation* in the form of *voting*.

People vote in Cuba, have elections, and change policies at local, regional, and national levels. Recently, they even rewrote their constitution starting at the grassroots level. It is, regardless of ideology, a literal democracy. Nraisbeck (talk) 22:11, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

"rewrote their constitution starting at the grassroots level"?? The Cuban constitution ascribes the role of the party to be the "leading force of society and of the state". Did the party stand aside while the grassroots did whatever they wanted?? Unlikely.--Louis P. Boog (talk) 20:56, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

"Democracy is when billionaires entirely control all major political parties, allowing roughly half the populace to choose which spokespeople they would prefer to explain the decisions of the ruling class; freedom of the press, similarly, is when billionaires control the media." — American Rich Guy Burger Foundation, 100% Not Funded By Nazi CIA Cutouts Bobs34724 (talk) 18:01, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

I agree, Cuba is very clearly a democracy, but it doesn't fit the very narrow definition of democracy that the United States lays out. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 23:30, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Reliable sources disagree. X-Editor (talk) 23:36, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Please don't engage in SOAPBOXing. There are billionaires in communist countries, they're called communist party bureaucrats. X-Editor (talk) 23:36, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

@X-Editor: although I agree with your suggestion in your first sentence, the latter sentence appears to be whataboutism on your end. We're speaking of Cuba here, and I presume you were talking about China. There appears to be only one entry at Category:Cuban billionaires at the moment: José Fanjul (amusingly, an American-based Cuban-born businessman and friend of literal Nazis/KKK members). As for billionaires in communist countries in general, maybe it's because these countries are state capitalist at this stage, with China being the most prominent example of a state capitalist country. If a country produces domestic billionaires, it's not communist, apart from rhetoric. –Vipz (talk) 02:08, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

I apologize for engaging in whataboutism, as such, I'm not going to elaborate further on my second point. X-Editor (talk) 02:10, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

@X-Editor: feel free to elaborate if you wish, we're here to learn from each other while trying to improve articles on those subjects. –Vipz (talk) 02:26, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

When I say communist party bureaucrats are billionaires, i'm not refers to billionaires in the capitalist sense, I'm refers to billionaires in terms of power. There may be no billionaires in communist countries, but the people in charge of the communist parties in these countries effectively are billionaires. But in the end, all of this is just my opinion. I was just annoyed by the soapboxing. X-Editor (talk) 02:40, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

@X-Editor: Thanks for elaborating, it's worth it to avoid confusion. Criticism of bureaucracy is not in shortage among orthodox Marxists (particularly those critical of Leninism). See the theory of new class for example.

That said, different forms and views on democracy exist, although the Marxist–Leninist approaches haven't exactly led to attractive forms of such in practice. And of course, trying to come about socialism democratically gets you a CIA-funded, U.S. sponsored coup.

I believe it's a bit ironical that in 2022 Cuba advanced LGBT and gender equality rights through a democratic referendum while over in the U.S. nine undemocratically appointed Supreme Court 'justices' took away abortion rights, undemocratically.

Now, all of this requires a serious consensus among reliable scholarly sources to consider any changes. –Vipz (talk) 03:12, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

The new class critique is exactly what I'm referring to, hopefully a mistake like that is not repeated in the future.

"And of course, trying to come about socialism democratically gets you a CIA-funded coup." That's not always the case, India was essentially democratic socialist for a long time from 1947 to 1991.

"I believe it's a bit ironical that in 2022 Cuba advanced LGBT and gender equality rights through a democratic referendum while over in the U.S. nine undemocratically appointed Supreme Court 'justices' took away abortion rights, undemocratically." I completely agree with this, which is why we need more democracy, not less.

"Now, all of this requires a serious consensus among reliable scholarly sources to consider any changes." Couldn't agree more.

I'm glad we could have this conversation. X-Editor (talk) 03:18, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Someone needs to update or change Citation 5 to cite the current constitution

Cuba is a Marxist-Leninist state, and it says so in both the 1976 and 2019 constitutions, so I suggest updating the source so the info box cites today's Cuban constitution. 2600:4041:552C:3200:2CE4:498F:CC24:2447 (talk) 21:22, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

it does say it is a Marxist Leninist state, it just also states that it is Unitary, one party, socialist, and a republic. CubanoBoi (talk) 02:48, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Human rights section - torture allegations

I want to explain to fellow editors why I just deleted some very controversial content. I've had a look at the first sentence of the "Human rights" section which reads like this.

"The Cuban government has been accused of numerous human rights abuses including torture, arbitrary imprisonment, unfair trials, and extrajudicial executions (also known as "El Paredón")."

There are two sources for this paragraph.

The first source is a US State Department report from 2016. The report doesn't make any mention of torture, executions, or "El Paredón". In fact the report doesn't mention any human rights abuses in Cuba. Even if it did, the United States government is not a reliable source of information on Cuba, considering both the USA's long record of hostilities towards Cuba coupled with their track record of dubious allegations against foreign governments they wish to topple (Nurse Nayirah, Iraq WMDs, etc).

The second source is an Organization of American States report on Cuba published in 1967. Regardless of how reliable this source may be, why are we using sources published from over half a century ago to comment on contemporary Cuba? Imagine if a wikipedia editor used articles on segregation written by Rosa Parks to describe America in 2023.

I am astounded at the poor quality of much of the content on the Cuba wiki page, especially on such sensitive topics as torture and censorship. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 01:43, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I agree as an anti-socialist Cuban, this page needs to be rewritten (atleast that section), this article looks like it was mostly made by Cuban-Americans that want to put the government look bad (more then it already is). I believe (not done much research on this so it might be untrue) that the only time that Cuba did torture was in the Military Units to Aid Production, but am unsure. CubanoBoi (talk) 03:01, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

References

1. Bureau of Public Affairs (25 March 2010). "Cuba". United States Department of State. Retrieved 1 April 2011.
2. "Information about human rights in Cuba" (in Spanish). Comision Interamericana de Derechos Humanos. 7 April 1967. Archived from the original on 14 June 2006. Retrieved 9 July 2006.

The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 01:43, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Cuba (Island) proposition

I propose to separate article about Cuba (island) and Cuba (country), the same as with Malta and Malta (island). We already have article "Geography of Cuba" so the text from this article about this island could be used in order to create this new article. Prkp99 (talk) 14:13, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 September 2023

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Delete the "Back in power, and receiving financial, military, and logistical support from the United States government..." where since the source doesn't even mention the claim in the nearly 40 pages referenced. Coreyman317 (talk) 23:40, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Fake Statistics

I cite these studies that question the statistics prepared by the Cuban government and taken as a reference in international metrics. ComradeHektor (talk) 22:02, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

They are not the only analyzes that have been done, I clarify. ComradeHektor (talk) 22:03, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

References

1. Ryan (2018-06-20). "Don't Trust Cuban Health Care Statistics". Mises Institute. Retrieved 2023-09-16.
2. Mesa-Lago, Carmelo (1969-07). "Availability and Reliability of Statistics in Socialist Cuba (Part Two)". Latin American Research Review (2): 47–81. doi:10.1017/S0023879100039881. ISSN 0023-8791. Retrieved 2023-09-16. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
3. Gonzalez, Roberto M. (2015). "Infant Mortality in Cuba: Myth and Reality". Cuban Studies (1). University of Pittsburgh: 19–39. doi:10.1353/cub.2015.0005. ISSN 1548-2464. Retrieved 2023-09-16.

Undue "extreme poverty" lead section sentence

Hello @Wilfredor, what I was requesting here was that the statement to be sourced to several high-quality academic sources. It should also be put into context (embargo, etc.) and elaborated, as done in the Economy section. When several academic sources are in consensus about a statement, claims do not need to be attributed in-text — and such claims are then appropriate for due inclusion in the lead section. –Vipz (talk) 14:54, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Poverty is only mentioned twice in the article, both times in respect of the 88% extreme poverty figure. An examination of poverty in Cuba would be a good addition to the page but needs more than a one sentence statement based on a report from a marginally reliable source. Does anyone have any doubts about the 88% figure? I had a look around to see what other information is available. Apparently the Cuban government does not release data about poverty. The United Nations Development Programme releases a report which measures something called a global Multidimensional Poverty Index (MPI). The global MPI is a key international resource that measures acute multidimensional poverty across more than 100 developing countries. By this measure, poverty in Cuba is fairly mild in comparison to other developing countries, with 0.7% of the population experiencing severe poverty. Burrobert (talk) 15:53, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

@Burrobert The problem is that these indices do not measure things such as the scarcity of basic products, in addition to the fact that they are usually made with the exchange rate to the official dollar, which is not the exchange rate that is normally obtained on the street (same problem with Argentina). 186.32.217.46 (talk) 18:37, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

@Burrobert, thank you for bringing this to light. As a Venezuelan who has visited Cuba, I must admit your comment offered a momentary chuckle. It's very important to understand the challenge of conducting an independent and comprehensive study in a nation under a dictatorial regime. The claim suggesting that Cuba's poverty levels mirror those of developed countries is, to put it mildly, perplexing. I completely agree that on Misplaced Pages, we should rely on high-quality academic sources, and I've provided one to support the information. However, using the discussion page to make such astonishing claims is a tad humorous. IMHO, I respect the importance of sourcing and ensuring our content is as accurate as possible. Let's collaborate and ensure we represent the reality as best as the available data allows. Wilfredor (talk) 05:10, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

"By this measure, poverty in Cuba is fairly mild in comparison to other developing countries ". Developed countries are not included in the MPI measurement. Burrobert (talk) 08:19, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

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