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| I was going to mark this as a speedy, but then I reconsidered and instead added a <nowiki>{{notability}}</nowiki> tag. The author removed the tag and rewrote the article so that it reads more like an advertisement, and left a note on the talk page telling people not to "vandalize" the article. While this could be real, it looks suspicious. ] 01:38, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''' unless third party references can be produced to establish the ] of it. The idea that "it is notable for bringing great bands to small towns" is subjective in more ways than one, and isn't in line with any of our notability criteria. <font color="CornflowerBlue"><b>]</b></font> <small><sup><font color="B22222">]</font></sup></small>/<small><font color="B22222">]</font></small> 01:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Let me start by saying this is not an advertisement i just like the idea of secret shows and i think it should have a wiki. Secondly as some of this may be subjective, which can be changed, it is all from the MySpace Secret Shows page. Lastly why would u delete a perfectly good article just because it needs some touching up. After all the more articles the better and i assure you all of this has sources even the qoute: "it is notable for bringing great bands to small towns" is from the official page. | |||
| P.S. myspace secret shows IS real. o ya and sry for deleting the notice i was just mad u (or someone else deleted the page b4 it was even finished. ] 02:01, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :'''Delete''' Nothing to suggest notability. Saying they're notable for bringing bands to small towns is more like an opinion that some facet of notability that is actually attributable/verifiable. Non-notable. ] 02:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Well it's definately notable for more reasons. It has '''famous''' bands. Over 38 shows and has been running smoothly for more than a year. It is definately as notable as any event in the music scene and saying that it's not because they are "secret" is just like saying things that haven't come out yet and are not announced shouldnt be on wikipedia.. ] 02:08, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :'''Comment'''Just because a band is notable doesn't mean that everything they participate in is notable. And yes . . . if something hasn't come out yet and is not announced and there is no information about notability, it should not be on Misplaced Pages. ] 02:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| OK if you can give me three logical reason why this is NOT notable instead of trying to counter everything I say then I will admit it is not notable and you can take over. And by the way if i dont think it's logical than sorry no way is this article being deleted without a "notable" (hahaha used ur word) reason. Anyway i worked so hard on it and it is my first full fledged aricle so could u find out the facts (or just read the article cus the facts are all there) youll see that this is no advertisement and it is all *(dare i say) notably correct. BTW this was really hard to do with the wikipedia code i wasnt familiar with so...... STOP ruining a perfectly good article. And again the more articles the better (as long as they have facts which you can cjeck out here www.myspace.com/secretshows.] 02:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :'''Comment'''I realize it can be a bit difficult to get used to Misplaced Pages guidelines and I'm sorry if you feel as if people are giving you a hard time. However, ] provides some really good information about how to determine whether things are notable and it says ''"A topic is generally notable if it has been the subject of coverage that is independent of the subject, reliable, and attributable."'' Can you find any sources, other than those affiliated with myspace.com, that identify this group of shows as notable? Nobody doubts that this is a real group of shows. However, the standard for Misplaced Pages is not "'''only] 02:27, 26 March 2007 (UTC)"''' truth, but attribution and notability. ] 02:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you for not taking my above comment angrily. But anyways other sources can be found. But i couldnt just do that right now. I'll do that in some time. But why would you want to delete it. Check the sources. And if you could find others that find it notable that would be nice. Thank you again for not taking this aggresively. ] 02:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :'''Comment''' The key here is to show that ] have featured this group of shows in their publications. If no one has written about it, then it probably fails ]. About it being your first article, please know that we're not trying to make this personal; it's a matter of meeting the standards for inclusion. <font color="CornflowerBlue"><b>]</b></font> <small><sup><font color="B22222">]</font></sup></small>/<small><font color="B22222">]</font></small> 02:28, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Merge''' to ] or '''Keep'''. Sources on MySpace Secret Shows can be found, and the article is good. The article needs some re-writing, but nothing really more than that and getting some sources. <i>And also, everyone, please make sure if you want to comment on this subject, to put comment in bold letters where you would normally put keep or delete.</i> ]<sup>]</sup> 02:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Weak Delete'''' No sources shown outside it self (]) Not verifiable outside of itself ]. Burden in on author to show with external sources how it is notable. If the author needs time to present sources please give him that and I will remove my vote as not enough time has really been given. However if he is arguing that in its current state it is somehow self-notable, then it must be deleted because it's not.--] 02:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Comment''' if this was not notable then why would i look it up and realize no one had written it and be kind enough to do a well written (non advertising) esssay on it. And according to chizzy it's notable with 3rd parties and well written so its not '''my''' opinion. ] 02:42, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| P.S. Waiting for sources do not delete until proven to be unnotable etc. ] 02:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :*'''Comment''' chizzy? Anyway... Chickyfuzz didn't really say that. What it means is if there are no third party sources, it should be merged into ]. Also, we don't "hold off" on the process of discussion for you to add more. If you do add more, it would be taken into consideration, but we're not going to wait. <font color="CornflowerBlue"><b>]</b></font> <small><sup><font color="B22222">]</font></sup></small>/<small><font color="B22222">]</font></small> 02:48, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Let me just say I have a life and I cant just stay on the computer protecting this article. Anyway if you google myspace secret shows you"ll find non-myspace sources about the shows. I have checked and to my surprise (not really) they were indeed there. ] 02:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| P.S. i hope you saw this< Keep. Sources on MySpace Secret Shows can be found,>] 02:53, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| :*'''Comment''' Well, the discussion lasts for 5 days. Could you possibly add the references some time in the next 5 days? I have a life too, but 5 days is a long time. <font color="CornflowerBlue"><b>]</b></font> <small><sup><font color="B22222">]</font></sup></small>/<small><font color="B22222">]</font></small> 02:54, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Not to sound rude but, why don't you just google it and find them for yourself i dont have time I'm about to leave the computer but would like to know what is going on in the discussions page.] 02:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :'''Comment''' From ]: ''The obligation to provide a reliable source lies with the editors wishing to include the material, not with those seeking to remove it.'' <font color="CornflowerBlue"><b>]</b></font> <small><sup><font color="B22222">]</font></sup></small>/<small><font color="B22222">]</font></small> 03:01, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| How about this. From Misplaced Pages w/e "WHY DON'T YOU" you're the one that cares... and i think you know this by now MySpace Secret Shows is real and the article is fine. You just don't have anything else to do but delete things because it probably makes you feel good. How about u delete your ****ing profile and leave a good article (in this case myspace secret shows) alone. GAH you got me to tht level were im p***ed off. Thnk you | |||
| :'''Reply''' Okay... I'll reiterate that a deletion discussion is not personal. I ask the same thing of all articles that get discussed. It's certainly not my intention to antagonize you. <font color="CornflowerBlue"><b>]</b></font> <small><sup><font color="B22222">]</font></sup></small>/<small><font color="B22222">]</font></small> 03:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I know this is not personal but ur this close to making it! anyway wy dont you delete an article like that article on georgian martial arts.] 03:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :'''Comment''' Leebo is actually trying to help you by letting you know what you can do (add sources) in the next five days to reduce the chances of this article being deleted. I know that it can feel a bit overwhelming to be in the middle of this right after creating your first article, but try to keep a cool head. As for the other article you mentioned . . . the fact that other articles with similiar faults exists doesn't give any article a free pass. We judge each article individually. You have the next five days to improve the article. I've seen situations before where people have changed their opinions on an article after amendments were made to it. If you feel this strongly, why not channel your energy into improvements rather than tussling with other editors here? ] 03:13, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''' If it's secret, then there's no way for us ] to find out about it, right? So it should fail ], right? And anyway the whole article reads like an ad, right? ] 03:17, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''' "They are, as the name suggests, secret" Let's delete this and help them stay secret. Real secret. ] 04:53, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''' and move important details into ]. ^Yes, secret it shall be. ]<sup> ] | ] | ] </sup> 05:46, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''' and mention anything notable on the main ] page in a non-advertising way (in short, ^"ditto"). <span style="color:darkred"><b>*Vendetta*</b> <sub>] ] ]</sub></span> 07:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''' unless totally rewritten - violates ], ] ''and'' ] in its current state.<font face="Trebuchet MS"> - ] ]</font> 09:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''' or condense into a sentence and merge into MySpace's main article. ] - <b><FONT COLOR="#FF0000">St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF5500">ar</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF8000">bli</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FFC000">nd</FONT></b> 13:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''' as pretty blatant violation of ] and certainly fails ]. ] 14:11, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''' per Janejellyroll and YechielMan. ] 18:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep''' first of all they are not secret. Did you read the article, they can be found out by doing the folowing... anyways wy does everyone think this is spam. I do not work at myspace or am affiliated with it in any way. I just wrote an article about it and you guys are wanting to delete it because you think im advertising (which i cant do for a job since im not at the legal working age for an advertisement agency. You guys are just haters (who didnt actually seem to read the article) who want to feel good about themselves by deleting perfectly good material. ] 19:18, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :'''Comment''' Please remember to ]. Everyone wants to improve the encyclopedia, so please avoid making accusations of ill intentions. <font color="CornflowerBlue"><b>]</b></font> <small><sup><font color="B22222">]</font></sup></small>/<small><font color="B22222">]</font></small> 19:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''' per all the numerous policy/guideline violations listed above. --] ] 20:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''' I don't see the notability. Yes, MySpace is notable, and yes the bands are notable. But working on that basis we'd have hundreds of articles along the lines of "ClearChannel presents Radiohead US tour 2007" or whatever. It might be worth a sentence in the main MySpace article, but I doubt it. <b>] ]</b> 21:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||