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| == As for whether Byungin Yoon's Gwonbeop was pure Gwonbeop or was influenced by Karate & Kung Fu == | |||
| As for whether Byungin Yoon's Gwonbeop was pure Gwonbeop or was influenced by Karate & Kung Fu. For discussing what's possible, you have the burden of proof. It's not about what's possible but what's proven. Just like all other topics. Also, in any case, Byungin Yoon taught Gwonbeop, not some other art. This Gwonbeop was documented by Cheolheui Park's Pasa-Gwonbeop publication. It doesn't matter when Byungin Yoon learned Gwonbeop. The point is he learned it; he taught. Mas Oyama also learned Gwonbeop while he was 9 to the 2nd grade in the middle school. Byungin Yoon probably also learned Gwonbeop when he was young. It doesn't matter when he learned it. The point is, he taught it. | |||
| Also, the basic moves in Karate also existed in Korean Muyedobotongji Gwonbeop anyway including chambered rotation punch. Whether the Gwonbeop that Byungin Yoon taught was pure Gwonbeop or not, it was Gwonbeop anyway, which came from Subak. It wasn't Karate but Gwonbeop in name & in content (proven by Pasa-Gwonbeop). | |||
| Also, Taekwondo is just one topic. The same logic applies for all topics with the burden of proof. What's claimed should be proven. What's possible shouldn't have to be disproven. Korean had power circus (power magic show, powerful strikes were created by common sense strikes & practice, trial & error) Breaking game predating Karate's Tameshiwari. (This form of Breaking/Tameshiwari predates martial arts doing Breaking.) Korean had street fighting games (Taekyun-Yetbub, Sibak) which had no-spin horizontal fist punch. Also, Korean had Subak, which had frontal slaps like Subyuk (Hand-Clapping) but also punches unlike Subyuk (nickname, Ken, fist). | |||
| Also, all sources have to be reputable, as in meeting the academic standard for reputable sources. Wiki also has the same standard. My sources are from scholarship & news organizations, mostly scholarly sources & reputable newspapers. https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources As for me being wrong in whether Taekwondo had solely Gwonbeop lineage or also Karate lineage (apparently not mutually exclusive), it's irrelevant. Just because I was wrong in something doesn't mean I'm wrong in another thing again. Just because I was correct once in something doesn't mean I'm correct again. All events are independent of each other. If I was wrong, I gather more counter-evidences & counter-logic; I fix my stance. If I'm right, there's nothing to fix; my conclusions from my reputable references & sources are correct in any topic. It's always about the logical inferences, proofs, sources. And there is no counter logic nor counter evidence for any of the topics I'm talking about whether Breaking, Taekkyeon Yetbub, Subak, etc. I'm the facts in such topics I talk about now. They are proven with reputable (& also old) references & reputable sources. I don't have a leap in logical inference this time. All proofs & sources are solid. | |||
| My focus on Byungin Yoon was mainly that Taekkwondo has connection to Muyedobotongji Gwonbeop and also Subak. Taekwondo is tainted; it is indeed mixed with other arts like Karate & Kung Fu. Still, the point is whether traditional Korean lineage & connection exist or not. Taekwondo is connected to Gwonbeop. Also, all the main basic moves in Taekwondo/Karate already existed in Muyedobotongji Gwonbeop 300 years ago. | |||
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Taekwondo
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- me too toobigtokale (talk) 22:04, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
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Significant edits
I made some significant edits, sorry if I stepped on any toes, I know I deleted a lot. Some reminders:
- Don't add information without sources
- If you use multiple pages from a source, indicate which page number you used. See how the article Cleopatra does it for reference.
- "Taekwondo" shouldn't always be capitalized, see WP:WPMA
Proper names of individual schools of martial arts should be capitalized e.g., "Kashima Shinden Jikishinkage-ryū" or "Shotokan". Broad types of martial arts should not be capitalized e.g., "kenjutsu", or "karate" (see above for definition of 'art' vs 'school').
- Romanized terms that haven't yet become accepted words in English (e.g. hogu) should be italicized (preferrably wrapped in the Transliteration template), as per MOS:FOREIGNITALIC. "Taekwondo" is considered an acceptable english term because it's in dictionaries (apparently)
- Non-english text (e.g. 호구) should be wrapped in appropriate language template (here, usually Template:Korean)
- Try to only link when you think it'll be useful to the reader (generally once or twice per article). Don't link every noun or subject, we end up overhighlighting.
Much of what I deleted was either unsourced or out of scope with the article. Please feel free to discuss if you disagree with choices I made and feel free to add stuff back yourself. Thanks. toobigtokale (talk) 00:37, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Infobox image
Can we find an alternative infobox image? It's a great image but tragically has that blurry thing in the lower left corner. I think a good candidate would have a simple background, so it's immediately clear what the subject is.
After scrolling through several hundred pics, all I can find is this. It's decent but I don't like the blue background for some reason. toobigtokale (talk) 02:01, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
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- Something like these: . These are copyrighted though, and there's small things about both that aren't ideal. toobigtokale (talk) 02:43, 16 October 2023 (UTC)