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Why are Ip addresses changing from 52 AD to 50 AD? The source says 52 AD and there is a general consensus there is. If someone has a dispute, please put it here.Manabimasu (talk) 11:49, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

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Why is Chrsitianity in India said to have been established before European colonisations when in fact only christianity in the Malabar Coast, Kerala is before europeans came?

all other parts of India got christainity only after European colonisations. why is wrong info being propagated? is it agenda to christianise the country? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.202.154 (talk) 07:14, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

YES WHAT YOU HAVE SAID IS CORRECT AS ACCORDING TO TRADITION SAINT THOMAS CHRISTIANS OF KERALA WHERE THE ONLY CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY IN INDIA BEFORE EUROPEAN INVASION..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by ARAVIND NAMBOOTHIRI (talk • contribs) 12:25, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Not really.. There were Christian communities all along the west coast (present day Maharashtra and Gujarat, established by the apostle Bartholomew. There were Syrian bishops of the Church of the East in northwest India (present day Punjab, Pakistan and Afghanistan) by the third century AD. Again in the early 1300s, Jordanus established Christian communities on the west coast. Before the European colonisers could come, some St. Thomas Christians had already migrated and established communities in central and north India. The British, who ruled India, did nothing to promote or spread Christianity in India. The Discoverer (talk) 15:17, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, The Discoverer. I couldn’t have answered better. Indo85 04:38, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Indo85. Do you think it would be suitable to mention in the article, with respect to ancient Christianity in India, about St. Severus of Vienne - an Indian priest who evangelised in France? The Discoverer (talk) 06:04, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

@The Discoverer I don't see why not. Very interesting find btw. It is well sourced and seems appropriate enough to be inserted in Early Christianity section. Indo85 14:41, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Since you have been recently copy-editing the article, I would request you to add it. Thanks, The Discoverer (talk) 19:34, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Sure! I'll work on it shortly. Indo85 14:25, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

@The Discoverer Done! Indo85 17:37, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Indo85. I have trimmed your added text, because I feel that we can leave the details for readers to read in the article about St. Severus. Your first sentence anyway gives most of the info mentioned in the subsequent sentences. I have kept two references that are more relevant to early Christianity in India. The Discoverer (talk) 19:40, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Perfect! Indo85 23:35, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Problematic edits by User:Tharian

In this edit, User:Tharian stated that the Church of South India and the Church of North India inherited an episcopal polity from the Anglican Communion. However, both of these united Protestant Churches do not have a single polity, but rather a mixed polity that contains elements from episcopal polity, congregational polity, and presbyterian polity. The website of the Church of South India clearly states this:

Organized into 22 dioceses, each under the spiritual supervision of a bishop, the church as a whole is governed by a synod, which elects a moderator (presiding bishop) every 2 years. Episcopacy is thus combined with Synodical government, and the church explicitly recognizes that Episcopal, Presbyterian, and congregational elements are all necessary for the church's life.

Note that these united Protestant Churches use the term Moderator rather than Primate, combining both the Presbyterian and Anglican leader into one office; pastors are usually known as "presbyter in charge" rather than "priest in charge" (see Exhibit A). This fact is corroborated by other references, such as The American Church that Might Have Been: A History of the Consultation on Church Union by Keith Watkins, Professor Emeritus of Worship at Christian Theological Seminary, who states in his book published by Wipf and Stock Publishers that:

The Church of South India created a polity that recognized Episcopal, Presbyterian, and Congregational elements and developed a book of worship that bridged the liturgical traditions that came into this new church. It set up a plan by which existing ministries were accepted while including processes which would lead to the time, a generation later, when all ministers would have been ordained by bishops in apostolic succession. The Church of South India was important as a prototype for a new American church because two factors had come together: the cross-confessional nature of its constituent parts and the intention to be, in effect, the Protestant Christian presence in communities all across the southern territories of its nation.

In light of these facts, I have corrected the information in the article. If User:Tharian objects, he should discuss here rather than edit war. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam 04:47, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Right. The CSI and CNI are just as much Presbyterian and Methodist as they are Anglican. No need to emphasize the Anglican identity over others; Protestant is accurate and what their websites use to describe themselves. Wareon (talk) 05:11, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Northeast India

Can I add the following right after "...in its practices for a long time but since the 20th century has witnessed growth in Indigenous revivalism and recently contemporary local Church-planting movements have started to flourish"?

Additionally, there has been dramatic growth of Christianity in Northeast India. In the ongoing Insurgency in Northeast India, Christian terrorism has occurred and thousands of Hindus have been forcibly converted to Christianity, both with the support of some local churches.

Shakespeare143 (talk) 18:22, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Shakespeare143 The proposed text is POV pushing. It clearly hides, Church leaders, however, deny any forcible conversions in Tripura and Radical Hindu religious groups in the region have all along been accusing Christian missionaries of forceful conversions. The text also hides the part that the NLFT has been killing people to prevent them from converting. Please take this as a warning that your POV pushing has become aggressive. VV 19:15, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Vincentvikram Can you explain why you think I was doing POV pushing? I posted this on the Talk page to get feedback on improving the proposition and to get consensus. Shakespeare143 (talk) 19:32, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Can you elaborate about how the NLFT has been killing people to prevent them from converting? Shakespeare143 (talk) 19:39, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Shakespeare143 The text you have proposed is based on a cherry-picked perspective based on the NLFT. I have pointed out the text in the rediff links which shows the other aspects not covered by your text, hence the "point of view" pushing. Since you have already gone through the tutorials, WP:NPOV should be familiar to you since you are now working in an area that is contentious and covered by discretionary sanctions, of which you have been made aware. The second source is very large and cannot be used to support a bald assertion of "support of some local churches". The reason I have templated you is because this pattern is seen in the several pieces of text you tried to insert in various articles. VV 20:07, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Errata, I have struck out the conflicting text as I wanted to highlight "We cannot, however, vouch on behalf of the NLFT which is a rebel group." VV 20:11, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

The use of the phrase "Christian terrorism" is the POV pushing. VV 20:12, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Mate, it's happening all over India and most of the Hindus are sleeping, I'm afraid by the time they are aware... it might be too late. Kichawww (talk) 16:21, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

References

1. "Tribals unite against conversions in Tripura". rediff.com. 2 August 2001.
2. Subir Bhaumik (2004). Ethnicity, Ideology and Religion: Separatist movements in India's Northeast (PDF). Asia-Pacific Center for Security Studies. p. 236.

FileConversion of Paravas by Francis Xavier in 1542.jpg

I’m wondering if we need to replace this image in the article. Paravars are erroneously depicted as native Americans in the painting. Indo85 19:55, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

If you can find a better illustration on Wikimedia, then be bold and go for it. 49.15.233.118 (talk) 10:42, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Christian Religious Leaders

Under the heading 'Religious Leaders', there is no mention of the Most Rt. Rev. Dr. Eric Samuel Nasir, BA, BT, MA, DD. He was the founding Moderator of the Church of North India (CNI), a position he held from Nov 1970 till 1980. 103.57.177.169 (talk) 13:22, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Problematic edits by User:Varoon2542

This editor keeps using dubious sources to claim that conversions in Goa were the result of the Inquisition, when the historical timeline shows that the Inquisition was instituted well after the christianization of Goa was underway. He ignores contemporary records (e.g. the letter of Luís Fróis) and also recent scholarship about the Inquisition (it had the support of local Goan society): https://www.heraldgoa.in/Review/Goa%E2%80%99s-inquisition-facts-fiction-and-factoids/196631 49.15.231.155 (talk) 14:06, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

I find it a bit rich that

- an unidentified editor,

- with four edits on record

- all related to the litigious article and

- the oldest dating to the 26th of april of this year is criticising me who has a solid track record when it comes to editing wikipedia articles

The sentence I added is pertinent in an article on "Christianity in India". The Goan Inquisition being a major event that spread over centuries. The references used are the same as those used in the "Goan Inquisition" article where they have never been seriously contested Varoon2542 (talk) 10:38, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Ad hominem. User:Varoon2542 has not bothered reading any books on the subject. The references he used in his edit war are outdated and not based on any historical research into the records kept by the Goa tribunal of the Portuguese Inquisition. Priolkar's amateur book in the Goa Inquisition (which forms the basis of all the multiple Internet links he cited) has been discredited repeatedly in recent years by contemporary records. 49.15.231.5 (talk) 12:14, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Christianity In india is significantly underreported

There is widespread beleif that christianity in india is signficantly underreported - as many epople are not stating there are a follower of Christ becuase they are living in fear from their hindu and muslim famalies can we all agree on this so can we add a section about this please? Josephjoseph230 (talk) 13:42, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

@Josephjoseph230 Which reliable sources have published this information? —C.Fred (talk) 13:47, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

here are some reliable sources

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/india-post-christian/

this is a website on it being underreported

if you require i can give you lots of christians living in fear in india because there are lots of those Josephjoseph230 (talk) 03:10, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

@Josephjoseph230 The Gospel Coalition does not appear to be an independent source, so it is not usable for the article. —C.Fred (talk) 03:45, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

its a newspaper

its fully independent and single

i really dont get why you guys are so strict Josephjoseph230 (talk) 07:50, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

No, it is not — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 09:09, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

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Inquisitions Forced Conversion Narrative by Hindu fascists

About this edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Special:Diff/1185080586

I have flagged the questionable material added by Varoon (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Special:Diff/1184112020). The user has been abusing Misplaced Pages for their hindu majoritarianist political agenda known as hindutva. His anti-Christian bias in their other edits are obvious. With impunity, he has been whitewashing the Hindu fascist BJP political party for its involvement in anti-Christian violence: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Special:Diff/1184577643

Inquisition based bogey/ narrative of forced conversions by Hindu majoritarianists and fascists. It has been the anti-freedom of religion and anti-conversion smear campaign; driven by lobbies of Hindu fascism backing the current administration. It was started by Hindu Maharashtri supremacists such as AK Priolkar who wrote the dubious the Goa Inquisition book. They wanted the Konkani language suppressed and replaced as Mahratti and Guzerati in Goa and Damaon; as it has happened in the Konkan Division occupied by Maharashtra. The supremacists also wanted Goa erased from the map, by having it occupied by pro-Hindutva Mahraashtra political parties.

A Rediff source has been used. If I remember correctly, Rediff was a listed unreliable as per WP:RS.

Also, according to Teotonio in the sources used by Varoon (https://books.google.com/books?id=vtf1eRE8FC8C&q=persecution): Oppression of Hindus and demolition of temples was done directly by Portuguese colonialists and started before the Goan Inquisition. Christian Inquisition has been mistaken for Hindu persecution because of the overwhelming YouTube and Twitter smear campaign; run by Hindu fascists and majoritarianists such as Shef Vaidya a mouthpiece and Maharashtri member of RSS.

The Inquisition dealt with Christians only and punished only those Hindus who used force or violence to stop conversions to Christianity; inorder to protect the Christian minority. 106.79.207.29 (talk) 13:21, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

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