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baljuna covenant

AirshipJungleman29, i had two questions regarding this article and the associated blurb.

• do you know how it was determined that the portrait shown in the blurb was painted in 1278? the description on commons states that it was taken from a 14th-century album, but does not seem to mention when the portrait was painted. it appears that there was a portrait of genghis khan completed in 1278, but i am unable to conclude that it is the same one that appears in the 14th-century album. some (possibly unreliable) sources state that the original was lost, and that the one in the album is a copy.
• the way that temüjin is described as "khan of the Mongols" in the blurb and "the khan of the Mongol tribe" in the article lead suggests to me that there was one such khan at the time, and that temüjin was that khan while he was serving under toghrul. is this accurate? i could not find anything in the article body confirming this, though i did notice that the "Genghis Khan" article mentions that he was "acclaimed by his close followers as khan of the Mongols" while he was serving under toghrul. however, i don't know how accurate a description of temüjin by his close followers would be.

dying (talk) 09:51, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

• Dying, I can confirm the second one immediately—Temüjin's acclamation by his close followers (the leaders of the Mongol tribe) is all that was needed to be the Mongol khan, and this was not incompatible with him also serving Toghrul. To my recollection, there is a lengthy discussion of this point in Ratchnevsky 1991. I cannot give a similarly immediate response for the first question, so I'll have a look at that in-depth when I have time in a few hours. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:28, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

  oh, wow, thanks for the explanation. i admittedly would have never guessed that about the title "khan", as i had previously thought that the unique title was "khagan". also, have you had the chance to look into the issue with the caption yet? if the statement is unsourced, we could always fall back on what is stated in the article, and replace the caption with something like "Genghis Khan, from a 14th-century album". dying (talk) 19:30, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

  I haven't had time to find the related text (although I'm pretty sure it's out there), so that might be best dying. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:32, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

  yeah, i wouldn't be surprised if the album really did contain the 1287 painting, though after a bit more digging, i found one source reporting a historian describing a dispute between taiwan and china over who has the original, and speculating that the two similar paintings might actually both be original, so perhaps we'll never know. thanks, AirshipJungleman29! dying (talk) 20:09, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

October songs

my story today

Thank you today for the article, introduced: "The year is 1203. A middle-aged tribal chieftain has been betrayed by his lord; his meagre forces have been annihilated in battle, and he's been forced into headlong flight with a a small group of loyalists. They camp by a nondescript body of water (lake? river? does it matter?) to gather their wits. The chieftain looks around at the men who have followed him, even into these desparate straits, and knows he has to reward such loyalty. He takes a drink of the dirty water and swears an oath of mutual fidelity; his companions return the gesture. They take for themselves a title–not a noble one, but something ignominious, reflecting their situation. The Baljunatu, the "Muddy Water Drinkers"? That's really all they are, for the moment. - Mere decades later, millions of people and half the world live in awe of the power and name of that minor chieftain, a certain Genghis Khan. His empire spans Eurasia, and his generals wreak devastation on the greatest cities of the world. And he honoured the oath he swore on that dirty shoreline all those years ago—all the Muddy Water Drinkers belong to the highest nobility in the largest land empire the world has seen or will ever know. That is the story of the Baljuna Covenant."! - Enjoyed! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:22, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Precious

Mongol history

Thank you for quality articles around Mongol history such as Baljuna Covenant and Siege of Bukhara, and for articles around Hellenistic Asia such as Ai-Khanoum, for quality reviewing and teamwork, for "A place of relaxation, contemplation, and harmony", - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

You are recipient no. 2883 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:54, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda! Glad you enjoyed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:02, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Congrats! Bobherry Talk My Edits 21:23, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you today for Boukephala and Nikaia, introduced: "From the adventures of Genghis Khan, we move to the life of another Asiatic conqueror, Alexander the Great. Two cities, founded either side of the river where he took one of his most famous victories—one named for the battle, the other for his horse. Alexander died only a couple of years afterwards but the Alexandrias live long in the memory of men."! - Did you see yesterday's story, sad but great? Today's is poetic. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:01, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda! You may be interested to know that yesterday I was invited (at very last minute) to see La forza del destino. As a complete novice, I greatly enjoyed it. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:56, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I love to hear that! The last time I saw it was at Oper Frankfurt, and while in the plot, he is of color, and she is white, the real singers were just the opposite, and while they played, there was a pair of actors in videos with the colors as in the plot, and you really understood that it should not matter. Powerful music with a lot of passion. The director was Tobias Kratzer, who had offered two pieces for one competition, one under a woman's name, appearing in both identities ;) (that was an easy DYK) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:12, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

I think that one looks much more contemporary than the one I saw yesterday at the Royal Opera House Gerda; looking it up, I see that yesterday's was directed by Christof Loy (whose article you created) with Sondra Radvanovsky as Leonora—any thoughts on either of them? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:58, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Directors get a lot of freedom, at least since Patrice Chereau had the Ring cycle play in 19th-century industrialism (Jahrhundertring), 1976 that is, 100 years after the premiere. Never heard of the soprano, sounds interesting! Of Loy's work, I saw the one the DYK tells you about, and liked it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:01, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

More pics, and today's story is on a birthday, and the real DYK was already on that birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:44, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Today, it's a place that inspired me, musings if you have time. My corner for memory and music has today a juxtaposition of what our local church choirs offer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:33, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, you may be interested in my first opera-related article, Tale of the Moon Cuckoo—I quite enjoyed writing it, and I hope you'll enjoy reading it. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:07, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, enjoyed, extraordinary: plot, duration, history. Will review for DYK if nobody beats me to it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:53, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Question from Unleashgift

Hi, please help me. What should i do to approved the page that i created for Zhou Yiran (Chinese actress) and how to add a picture in her profile ? Thank you. --Unleashgift (talk) 12:23, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, What should i remove and add to this page ? Thank you --Unleashgift (talk) 12:41, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Do you have suggestions so that the article that I created will be accepted by the reviewer? --Unleashgift (talk) 11:42, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Unleashgift, I would suggest using the |trans-title and |quote parameters in your citations, to make sure that the reviewer is satisfied that the draft meets the verifiability policy (see {{cite web}} for details). I would also suggest removing sources such as Douban, Weibo, and Baijiahao Baidu, since they are not considered reliable on Misplaced Pages. Finally, I would concentrate on making sure you have at least three sources that meet all the requirements at WP:GNG—at the moment, I don't see that in the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:29, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Hö'elün

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"Indiscriminate" and "trivial" list

Hello. I think a large edit like this should require consensus to be removed. Fair enough, you made a bold edit, but as I've reverted it now because I disagree with your reasoning for its removal, I think any further issues with it should be taken to the article talk page to get consensus for its removal. Before it was shut down, the server had a limited number of streamers who regularly played on it and whom had "visited" it. That's not WP:INDISCRIMINATE information, that's a limited scope. As the streamers' popularity was one of the reasons as to why the Minecraft server became as big as it was, it's also not "trivia" (WP:TRIVIA)—it's one of the key components of the topic. It would be like removing a cast list from a TV series or film article. In no way am I saying it's the best way to present the information nor am I saying the article is great, but also, several of the streamers' names (or all? I'm not sure as I didn't make them) redirect to that article. Anyway, please get consensus to remove it as I think this is a contentious removal. Thanks. Ss112 09:04, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

No worries Ss112, I don't have any skin in the game. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:49, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Tolui

This is to let you know that the above article has been scheduled as today's featured article for 20 December 2023. Please check that the article needs no amendments. Feel free to amend the draft blurb, which can be found at Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/December 2023, or to make comments on other matters concerning the scheduling of this article at Misplaced Pages talk:Today's featured article/December 2023. Please keep an eye on that page, as comments regarding the draft blurb may be left there by user:dying, who assists the coordinators by making suggestions on the blurbs, or by others. I also suggest that you watchlist Misplaced Pages:Main Page/Errors from two days before the article appears on the Main Page. Thanks and congratulations on your work!—Wehwalt (talk) 16:51, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Edward Said

Thanks for tightening up the article. Please review the last paragraph of the "Career" section. I believe it is WP:UNDUE. Also, the source, an article in Jewish Currents, contains numerous errors of fact. For example, the article claims that Silvers banned Said from contributing to the New York Review of Books during the 1980s (though he later wrote for the Review and also wrote for its spinoff, The London Review of Books) because his brother Edwin lived in Israel then, but Edwin Silvers lived in Middletown, New York, continuously from 1958 to his death in 2000 (his obituary was published in the Times Herald-Record in July 2000), so the premise of the statement is nonsense. I do not feel comfortable in removing the statement myself since I may be said to have a COI. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:45, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

WikiCup 2023 November newsletter

The WikiCup is a marathon rather than a sprint and all those reaching the final round have been involved in the competition for the last ten months, improving Misplaced Pages vastly during the process. After all this hard work, BeanieFan11 has emerged as the 2023 winner and the WikiCup Champion. The finalists this year were:-

• BeanieFan11 with 2582 points
• Thebiguglyalien with 1615 points
• Epicgenius with 1518 points
• MyCatIsAChonk with 1012 points
• BennyOnTheLoose with 974 points
• AirshipJungleman29 with 673 points
• Sammi Brie with 520 points
• Unlimitedlead with 5 points

Congratulations to everyone who participated in this year's WikiCup, whether they made it to the final round or not, and particular congratulations to the newcomers to the competition, some of whom did very well. Misplaced Pages has benefitted greatly from the quality creations, expansions and improvements made, and the numerous reviews performed. All those who reached the final round will win awards. The following special awards will be made based on high performance in particular areas of content creation and review. Awards will be handed out in the next few days.

• Unlimitedlead wins the featured article prize, for 7 FAs in total including 3 in round 2.
• MyCatIsAChonk wins the featured list prize, for 5 FLs in total.
• Lee Vilenski wins the featured topic prize, for a 6-article featured topic in round 4.
• MyCatIsAChonk wins the featured picture prize, for 6 FPs in total.
• BeanieFan11 wins the good article prize, for 75 GAs in total, including 61 in the final round.
• Epicgenius wins the good topic prize, for a 41-article good topic in the final round.
• LunaEatsTuna wins the GA reviewer prize, for 70 GA reviews in round 1.
• MyCatIsAChonk wins the FA reviewer prize, for 66 FA reviews in the final round.
• Epicgenius wins the DYK prize, for 49 did you know articles in total.
• Muboshgu wins the ITN prize, for 46 in the news articles in total.

The WikiCup has run every year since 2007. With the 2023 contest now concluded, I will be standing down as a judge due to real life commitments, so I hope that another editor will take over running the competition. Please get in touch if you are interested. Next year's competition will hopefully begin on 1 January 2024. You are invited to sign up to participate in the contest; the WikiCup is open to all Wikipedians, both novices and experienced editors. It only remains to congratulate our worthy winners once again and thank all participants for their involvement! (If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Misplaced Pages:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send.) Sturmvogel 66 and Cwmhiraeth. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:51, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

November songs

my story today

Congratulations! - Perfect timing - I just wanted to bring November thanks anyway, having updated pics to 24 Oct. I proudly remember having sung in an oratorio premiere seven years ago OTD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:43, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Abraham Lincoln (Bittinger)

Hello. A request to take another look and hopefully pass Spiggotr6's article on this artwork which hangs in the United States Capitol as its official portrait of Abraham Lincoln. The painting is sourced to the House of Representatives and Capitol collection and also has a Smithsonian source. One gallery or museum source is usually enough to pass a visual artwork, and this page has several. This has become a major painting of Lincoln due to its prominence of being displayed in the Capitol and as part of the Capitol collection (as Lincoln's official portrait). Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:42, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi there Randy Kryn, I stand by thinking none of the sources pass WP:GNG; if the painting was as prominent as you say, I would expect at least one independent, non-trivial source, not two trivial mentions and two non-independent (and incidentally, very closely-paraphrased) sources. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:08, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

The paraphrasing concern is important, thanks for pointing that out. Once that's fixed then the sources come into play again, and it's pretty standard for Misplaced Pages artwork articles to accept museum or gallery sourcing for mainspacing the page. In this case the museum/gallery is the U.S. Capitol Building, and sources from there should surfice. But yes, the paraphrasing seems the main priority right now. Thanks for taking another look. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:27, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

DYK

There is a discussion at DYK:ERRORS regarding a hook you promoted. Primergrey (talk) 20:34, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Tale of the Moon Cuckoo

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Thanks, ToosieJoosie (talk) 23:39, 17 November 2023 (UTC)