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African American is its own ethnicity in the African Diaspora. See Proven Sources:

Citation: https://ipr.osu.edu/becoming-black-african-immigrant-integration-united-states

“Immigrants from Sub-Saharan Africa constitute the fastest growing group of immigrants in the United States today, yet we know less about their processes of assimilation and integration than other groups of immigrants. Research on black immigrants from the Caribbean suggests that the immigration experience of African immigrants will look quite different from many previous groups of immigrants, largely because assimilation for black immigrants risks exposure to the many forms of discrimination and inequalities faced by native-born black Americans.“

“African- Americans have rightly laid claim to a unique identity” Smithsonian Scholar at https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-changing-definition-of-african-american-4905887/

Also see first paragraph at this link: https://scholarworks.umass.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1010&context=cfssr_publishedwork

Even genetics can point it out: “Our results also indicate that the genetic architecture of African Americans is distinct from that of Africans” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2812948/

Ethnicity points it out by the whole fact it is an ETHNIC GROUP: “Ethnicity is more than skin color or physical characteristics, more than language, song, and dance. It is the embodiment of values, institutions, and patterns of behavior, a composite whole representing a people’s historical experience, aspirations, and world view. Deprive a people of their ethnicity, their culture, and you deprive them of their sense of direction or purpose.”

The government and social studies has even noted how Black immigrants can HIGHLIGHT their own ethnicities to get ahead in some cases, meaning that Black immigrants do in fact have their OWN ETHNICITIES. “Several authors suggest that black immigrants’ ethnicity gives them an advantage over U.S.-born blacks in dealings with whites (Bashi Bobb and Clarke 2001; Foner 1985; Waters 1994). If this holds true, black immigrants may improve their residential outcomes by highlighting their ethnicity to distinguish themselves”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8713952/

Also see this link on assimilation: https://sociology.princeton.edu/events/black-immigrants-use-african-american-strategy-mobility-through-higher-education

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Hi WayMaQueen! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of DJ Kool Herc several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable.

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Hi! All that was added was well sourced information by veteran credible reporter and journalist from a veteran newspaper. I didn’t know that adding citable, credible information was considered a war. I assumed, maybe erroneously, that the purpose of Misplaced Pages was to add credible reliable information because my aim isn’t “war” just because I add to good content that’s already there, never removing another’s content. I’ve had someone add to my content and I received it well because it was the truth and never once thought they are warring. However, if that is what is considered a war, I’m too mature for that one. I used to work with legit editors on legit newspapers a long time ago, and it’s literally not that deep nor is it a competition. It’s news, reporting and facts and everyone is fine with factual additions. My concept of additions is different from the rules here so thanks for letting me know it’s considered a war. Lol! Have a good one. WayMaQueen (talk) 13:18, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

The lead paragraph should tell the reader why the person is famous. Information about how the fame may be diluted should be placed in the article body. Binksternet (talk) 15:02, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

So in other words, the additional information I added would be accepted with citations in the body and not considered war? Previously, I’d added quotes from Herc to the body and it was taken down so at this point, I’m not certain.

Like here is the link to the veteran reporter and veteran paper and there are more, but I’m not here to add good info and then get called a “warrior”.LOL That’s odd to me. But tanks anyway. Take care. WayMaQueen (talk) 17:11, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi WayMaQueen, I went back and looked at your earlier edits to the article and I see where you going but I also see why Binksternet reverted you. The paragraph starting with "DJ Kool Herc is known for telling his story...." was sourced to a YouTube interview with him which is a primary source so not the best source to use (it depends). Stating things like "is known for" requires secondary authoritative sources and none of it belonged in the lead. With that said, I think most of what you added belongs somewhere in the article. A start might be to include his influences in the Early life sub-section which you can use interviews because he is the authority about his own influences. I think the structure should be improved because everything is slapped under Biography and I think a Legacy section is warranted. Just some things to to think about. I don't want you to be discouraged. S0091 (talk) 18:40, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time out and giving your thoughts and input. I love how you communicate. Respect to you. WayMaQueen (talk) 20:37, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

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Great job!

You're fighting the good fight, but keep in mind that these people are naturally oppressive.

Rsk6400 writes under an alternative account as Robert Sandrock. Their contibutions show that they are obsessed with controlling the narrative of racism against Black people, particularly in the United States (one way to do that is to re-define what the victim actually is). They are also fond of the African Diaspora. Any foreigner with this much investment and no endgame is simply suffocating the cause.72.174.131.123 (talk) 23:55, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

The best bet - since you have enough edits cred - is to just start/begin a new article titled something else (idea: "Soul people") since "them folks" (Wikipedians) refuse to acknowledge that Black Americans are entirely distinct. What cannot be denied is soul music, soul food, etc., and the people who are the driving force behind all of that are deserving of their own article.

Those other editors are literally de-facing Black heritage. Sad.😔 72.174.131.123 (talk) 00:02, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

As a just-in-case, I would strongly suggest that you copy-and-paste your contributions (with all citations included) to your Talk page so that you have a reference point. Accounts/Users have been known to be blocked and/or further banned from editing, and someone may erase a thread without first 🔒archiving it. 72.174.131.123 (talk) 03:32, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

A couple of things, the alternate account your reference IP is declared and has only edited two days back in May 2021 so nothing nefarious as far as that is concerned. As for rest of it, I am not involved so cannot speak to it other than I see at Talk:African Americans Firefangledfeathers has popped in, who is an experienced respected editor and based on what I have seen of them is quite fair so if they offer advice, take it. WayMaQueen, I suggest creating a sandbox rather than using your talk page to house sources/flesh out things. You have a default one underneath the person icon at the top right of the page. Just click Sandbox, type something and hit publish to create the page (User:WayMaQueen/Sandbox). You can also create multiple sandboxes also referred to as User subpages (see WP:User pages#Creating a subpage).

Other than that, if you ever want a "quite" place to work, there are several African American politicians during the Reconstruction Era who are lacking articles about them or the existing articles could use expansion (see African-American officeholders during and following the Reconstruction era.) and many other topic that are yet to be covered. That includes you too, IP. Oh, and one more thing, though it seems you do have access to sources you also have access to the WP:Misplaced Pages Library as access is automatically given to accounts that are six months old and have over 500 edits which you meet. That excludes you though, IP but is one of the benefits to having an account. S0091 (talk) 15:17, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the information WayMaQueen (talk) 17:05, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm honestly not sure what "respected editor" means when it comes to Misplaced Pages anymore. The fact that a thorough/long article such as African Americans is having extreme difficulty arriving at a simple conclusion for its lede, and all because of a likely partisan editor shows nothing more than them being intentional.

Those other articles that you mention can wait. Right now, the literal root of all of that needs to be determined, and the only correct answer is to let the references speak for themselves, which other editors like the one you endorsed are failing at.

'African Americans' are not a story that is continuous just because of immigration (i.e., natives versus later-day immigrants are not the same people; one is of the other, but not the other way around). Just about every Black American knows this - and certain African/Caribbean immigrants will vouch for this - but Wikipedians are blatantly ignoring facts, figures, citations (the encyclopedia's own rules), and even the voices of those very people. No other ethnic group is afforded the same level of disrespect, which is why I made the suggestions to @WayMaQueen to operate in stealthmode until this is sorted out. 72.174.131.123 (talk) 19:36, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

To clarify, I did not mean WayMaQueen should shift their focus to another topic. I only meant if the topic is of interest there's work to do whenever they are so inclined and the topic does not face resistance. As far as I'm honestly not sure what "respected editor" means when it comes to Misplaced Pages anymore (empahsis mine), I am not sure there's ever been a time when Misplaced Pages editors agreed on who is a respected editor. FFF is just my take based on what I seen so I should have qualified it as such. As for everything else, like I said I have not been involved in the debate. The only advice is an well-advertised WP:RFC may be needed to get other voices involved and I think operating in stealth mode is likely a bad idea. WayMaQueen is editor in good standing and one of the worst things here is being tagged a WP:SOCK (or maybe I misunderstand what you mean by "stealth mode" IP?). WayMaQueen, you are welcome to tell me bug off. I only stopped by to clarify that alt account, let you know about sandboxes and highlight another topic area that may be of interest. S0091 (talk) 21:14, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

@WayMaQueen is not a sock puppet, as we can clearly see. Operating in stealth may be the best solution for right now because there is an obvious bias against the article itself by the handlers with more edits and a longer history on this platform. They are being bullies, and this is the sole reason why people say not to trust Misplaced Pages in general.

As per the article in question, the amount of scrutiny it gets may never die down, and we have to be okay with that. But, ignoring facts and figures in favor of pure opinion (or even public opinion) is just wrong. Everybody knows that. 72.174.131.123 (talk) 22:55, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

I want to be very clear, I never said WayMaQueen is a sock or suggested they are. In fact, I made it clear they are editor in good standing. And Misplaced Pages agrees no one should trust it (see WP:CIRC). S0091 (talk) 23:04, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Handshake. 72.174.131.123 (talk) 23:08, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Saltwater Railroad

Can you create an article on Misplaced Pages about the 'Saltwater Railroad'? This is an important part of Black American history about the movements of free Blacks from the United States to the Bahamas/Caribbean countries. --Thanks. 72.174.131.123 (talk) 20:58, 10 December 2023 (UTC)