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== Inaccurate Reference Attribution == |
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Under the section "Concept and Creation", in the "Writing" subsection, the first paragraph ends with: |
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<blockquote>As the story progressed, he brought in elements from The Silmarillion mythology.</blockquote> |
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The reference for the above statement is as follows: |
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<p>Rérolle, Raphaëlle (5 December 2012). . '']/Worldcrunch''. Archived from on 10 February 2013.</p> |
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The claim "he brought in elements from The Silmarillion mythology" is not explicitly or even implicitly mentioned in the cited article. The closest related idea from the article is perhaps: |
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<blockquote>In 1937, as soon as it was published, ''The Hobbit'' immediately became a critical and popular success, to the point where its then publisher, Allen and Unwin, demanded a sequel urgently. Tolkien, though, did not wish to continue in the same vein. He had instead almost finished a narrative of the most ancient times of his universe, which he called '']''. Too difficult, decreed the publisher, who continued to harass him. The writer, a bit half-heartedly, accepted the project of writing a new story. In fact, he was about to set in place the first stone of what would become ''The Lord of the Rings.''</blockquote> |
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But there is no indication that as the writing of the Lord of the Rings books progressed, the author leveraged more elements from the previously unfinished book. The article states the writer accepted the project of writing a new story, implying that work stopped on the previous project. No connection is stated between the contents of the previously unfinished work and the new project; it is only after stopping the old work and accepting the new project that the writer would "set in place the first stone of what would become ''The Lord of the Rings.''". |
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I think it would be better to remove that sentence completely. There is a cleaner lead to the next paragraph without it anyway. ] (]) 07:23, 10 February 2023 (UTC) |
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:: Thanks for this. The relationship between the two "books" is far more complex than this, as Tolkien had been working on ] (''The Silmarillion'' writ large but unpublished, in thousands of partial drafts) since at least 1917, and built in many allusions to "Silmarillion" events in earlier ages to provide an ]. Clearly the citation is not ideal to convey this concept. I'll look out something better. ] (]) 09:07, 10 February 2023 (UTC) |
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::: I've removed the Le Monde ref as unhelpful, and added a citation (already in the article) to Tom Shippey's ''Road to Middle-earth''. He writes that "''The Lord of the Rings'' ... has in abundance ... the old Beowulfian 'impression of depth', created just as in the old epics by songs and digressions like Aragorn's song of Beren and ], Sam Gamgee's allusions to the ] and the Iron Crown" ]], Elrond's account of ], and dozens more." In short, "elements from The Silmarillion mythology" which Tolkien "brought in". ] (]) 09:23, 10 February 2023 (UTC) |
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== The Ring of the Nibelung & Wagner get no mention? == |
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As similar as The Lord of the Rings is to Wagner's works ergo The Ring of the Nibelung, I'd have thought there would have been some mention in this article. ] (]) 04:44, 10 December 2023 (UTC) |
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: Thanks for the thought. However, this article is at the top of a hierarchy of over 100 articles, which discuss many aspects of the book and its influences. ] here, necessarily brief, has a "Main" link to "]" which discusses your topic in more detail; the section actually does mentions mythology and German heroic legend, too. ] (]) 09:04, 10 December 2023 (UTC) |
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