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Flemish
Hey, there.
You closed the poll on Flemish with the summary "The result of the debate was determined by Peter Isotalo to be move." Does this mean that merging the edit histories isn't relevant in this case? Should I just make a cut'n'paste move of the current content to Flemish (terminology)?
Peter 12:34, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
- Hi Peter Isotalo; I've actually changed my decision to no consensus now. I had completely missed to edit history of the article, and was actually getting confused as to which page was the disambig page and which was the terminology page. There's really no consensus from the discussion (4-3 vote) and people have been edit warring over the article, so there's obviously no "accepted" result. Once again, I apologize. —Mets501 (talk) 14:17, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
- Deciding that no consensus exists for moving the current content of Flemish to Flemish (terminology) is very unfortunate and of little or no benefit to readers. The page had been a normal dabpage for a very long time until this summer, when a few editors decided to turn it into an article (and a terribly messy article at that) in an obvious and pointless violation of WP:D. If anything, there should be a consensus shown for the displacement of a neutral dabpage, not to reinstate it.
- I should also note that the main contributors to the current article have been consistently territorial, uncivil and hostile toward anyone they don't deem to be knowledgeable enough, often based only on ethnicity. No references or citations have been provided in support of their claims and none of the supporters seem to actually understand the reason for having the same neutral disambiguation as for any similar language/ethnicity term.
- Peter 14:31, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
- They understand all too well. As I went through replying most of your opposition to these contributors' work, I would like to express my contempt for the way you here above depict these people, and your continued suggestion of them being too thick to understand you or to interpret Misplaced Pages guidelines. Furthermore, ethnicity has not been any of my arguments while two contributors merely expressed their assumption of unfamiliarity with the topic being rather expected from one who lives at a distance; the only claim for a 'territorial' attitude came from one who does not live at the territory. The uncivil and hostile behaviour on the 'Flemish' talk page, disrespect for Misplaced Pages procedures, and the methods applied, and by whom, as well as the contra-indications regarding your criticism of the article, should better be inspected and judged by the readers. — SomeHuman 31 Dec2006 15:56 (UTC)
- That reminds me... You also seem to discuss these issues almost exclusively through focusing on the perceived or real shortcomings of the editors you disagree with. Discussing facts as much as motives of those contributing doen't seem to be all that relevant. Three other editors, including a native Dutch speaker, seemed to think that a dabpage was the proper thing to do. That includes comments on the somewhat poor state of the article. How about taking suggestions or even complaints seriously instead of shooting the messenger?
- Peter 22:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
- They understand all too well. As I went through replying most of your opposition to these contributors' work, I would like to express my contempt for the way you here above depict these people, and your continued suggestion of them being too thick to understand you or to interpret Misplaced Pages guidelines. Furthermore, ethnicity has not been any of my arguments while two contributors merely expressed their assumption of unfamiliarity with the topic being rather expected from one who lives at a distance; the only claim for a 'territorial' attitude came from one who does not live at the territory. The uncivil and hostile behaviour on the 'Flemish' talk page, disrespect for Misplaced Pages procedures, and the methods applied, and by whom, as well as the contra-indications regarding your criticism of the article, should better be inspected and judged by the readers. — SomeHuman 31 Dec2006 15:56 (UTC)
Medieval cuisine
Hi Peter. Thanks for the invitation to look over Medieval cuisine. It looks like a great article. However, I am just about to put myself in "wikibreak" mode so I won't be able to assist you—in the near term. Thanks, –Outriggr § 02:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- No problem. I'd like to nominate the article in January, but the One-FA-per-quarter-deadline isn't stressing me out terribly; I'd rather have peace of mind and a better article than to fulfill a certain quota. And I still have a lot of section that need to be worked over (or written at all). I'll ask around for other copyeditors, but you're more than welcome to help out when you get back.
- Have a nice vacation!
- Peter 18:59, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. Do you now have your desired copy review—I see Geogre has done it? –Outriggr § 04:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- I didn't see the section immediately below this before I wrote. That would have given me my answer. :) –Outriggr § 04:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. Do you now have your desired copy review—I see Geogre has done it? –Outriggr § 04:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Foodies long gone
Well, for whatever it has been worth, I have gone through the Medieval Cuisine article. It's a fantastic article. I can't predict how it will do with the Crypt Keepers start sniffing at it, but the language, illustration, and scope are good. I could be picky, a la scholarly passtimes, but doing that would be absolutely useless and would miss the point of an encyclopedia article. Whatever questions I had ("biscuit" and viruses) were put on the talk page. As I said before, feel free to revert, rollback, ignore, or undo any change with which you disagree. Geogre 14:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
- Good work, Geogre! If you don't mind, I'd like to call on your (mad) copyediting skill(z) one more time after I add the new sections (some more regional cuisines) and finish some of the rewrites and expansions of existing sections (fasting and religious regulation, meats and veggies). Those temple guardians won't know what hit 'em...
- Peter 15:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Law definition
Hello Peter, I hope you don't mind me changing your recent edit to something else on law's definition. You can see me objecting to defintions in the talk page before, but it looks like I'm outnumbered. You made a definition (which is very accurate and sensible) that was pretty close to a legal philosopher called John Austin, at the start of the 19th century. The problem is, the definition of law forms an entire body of philsophical work known as 'analytical jurisprudence' which is all about the question 'what is law' - yes, only the definition. That's why I've opposed it before, but I'm going to try rewriting the first sentence to incorporate all the different viewpoints - read the philosophy of law section down the law page to see what I'm talking about. Hope you can do more on the page!! Wikidea 08:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Gypsy
I feel that you are missing my point. The word does not have English roots only, and it, or closely similar ones are used in other languages. Why do you insist on deleting that? MadMaxDog 23:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
- As for this being the English Misplaced Pages, why should that have anything to do with it? Information about non-english-usage should be included were available. Sparingly, obviously - we don't want to overfreight an article with alternative meanings + spellings in other languages etc... but certainly that wasn't the case here. MadMaxDog 23:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
- The etymology of a word isn't really relevant, but whether it's a recognized word or not. I'm sure you're familiar with the fact that many, many words in English have foreign origins but are still often exclusively English. There simply doesn't seem to be any non-English usage of "gypsy" other than as a titles of songs and the likes. Or are you saying there are other languages that refer to the particular ethnic group(s) as "gypsies"?
- Peter 12:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Elfdalian
I assume you haven't a copy of Levander's Älvdalsmålet i Dalarna (published in Svenska landsmål, 1909 ,(105)), do you? I didn't think so. So, why did you revert from my edit then? Please, no original research, mr Isotalo.
Jens Persson (213.67.64.22 20:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC))
- You're gone, man. Do you even know what you're talking about yourself? You don't specify which article, which diff, and not even what material you think has been reverted. You have no excuses for being this sloppy since you've been around Misplaced Pages for at least a year already. Don't bloody post this kind of nonsense here again. Ever.
- Peter 13:15, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Style guidelines for sound pages
Hello, Peter, recently CyborgTosser and I discussed and came up with proposed style guidelines for all the individual consonant and vowel pages wherein the Occurrence section would have a table rather than a bulleted list. You can see the discussion here. So far nobody else has commented on the proposed guidelines and I believe it's safer to get a solid consensus before undergoing the work to change so many pages. If you could comment on what has been proposed, even if it's a simple yay or nay, this would help us out quite a bit. Thank you very much. Ƶ§œš¹ 06:30, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Articles for deletion/Abraham Lubelski (2nd nomination)
I have recommended Abraham_Lubelski for deletion again. If you wish to express an opinion please do so Bus stop 16:55, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think I'm the person to turn to for an opinion on this...
- Peter 22:26, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Didn't you participate in this the first time it was discussed? Bus stop 23:08, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- Damnit, you're right. I guess I was tried when I checked the old nomination.
- Peter 23:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Portuguese language
- Honestly, I think the article is now very poor, I don't agree with much of the IPA transcriptions nor European neither Brazilian, they don't match what I've in books and what I listen daily! It is not common-reader-friendly, too technical. I had a lot of work with it, but... things were removed continuously because a guy doesn't like that, other doesn't like another thing, etc. Unfortunately back then there were no "ref" templates, and there's an arbitrary chopping down culture in this wikipedia. I gave up of that article and I don't have a lot of time now and when I get some time my priority is the Portuguese language version of wikipedia, besides my native language is not English. Maybe another wikipedian is willing to make the article better. Maybe you can help ;)-Pedro 00:38, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- I've removed the unreferenced claim:
- 1st - it is referenced. just because it has no references in specific sentences does not mean it is not referenced.
- 2nd - that tag is just pollution and adds nothings.
- 3rd - you should search for specific sentences in which you have doubts (not every sentence, as common sense, or widely known facts should not have that reference needed.-Pedro 14:42, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
- If you want to reply to the FAR, please do so at the appropriate subpage.
- Peter 14:48, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Sound pages
I've noticed that you have been giving some attention to the consonant and vowel pages. Last month I and another editor came up with guidelines to make the occurrence sections for each page into a table. There's enough consensus to implement this but I seem to be the only one actually doing it. If you'd like to, you're welcome to help out in the process. Ƶ§œš¹ 19:52, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- I'll keep the standard in mind for the next round of improvements. I'm planning on replacing the vowel pronunciations, since a lot of them are quite a bit off. You're welcome to comment (or revert if needed) that once I get around to it, btw.
- Peter 12:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Berth Milton Jr.est
I always find these questions odd, since by finding me you've seen the deletion log so already know why it was deleted. In this instance it was deleted as a redirect to a non-existent article. Though that of course is not that helpful, since I guess you were expecting an article there. the move log shows it being moved to Berth Milton, Jr. back in October. That was then deleted in mid-December by a different admin with the comment "No evidence of notability, no independent sources". I'm just passing through at the moment, so I suggest you ask the deleting admin about it. --pgk 07:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
- And I find the assumption that someone would ask questions they already know the answer to equally odd. You just presented a thoroughly complex chain of events, which is quite oblique without intimate knowledge of the routines associated with AfD. I didn't even know there was a separate move log, for example, and neither was I aware of the standard of naming article "Foo Bar, Jr." rather than "Foo Bar Jr." Though of course not your decision, the rash and seemingly unilateral deletion of the actual article didn't make the whole debacle any less oblique.
- Peter 16:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, I guess I wasn't too clear, I meant that you'd seen my delete reason for that specific page (rather than all the other stuff). In this case it was more complex, but in most it isn't (and hence my musing). This is why I said that the deletion of it as a redirect to a non-existent article was not too helpful... I see you've contacted the deleting admin, if you need any more help from me please ask. --pgk 19:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you.
- Peter 19:37, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Learn something, write something
Please stop shange "pfonology and phonetics" with "sounds", "lexicography" with "dictionary". Maybe it's common in Swedish colture, but vist the pages of othere languages (Englis, German, Russian) and you are not going to find mediocriteted lines, such as "sounds" etc.
I'm sorry that the educational system let uopu down, but there is a huge difference between phonology and phonetics, and "sounds" is proper only to ON ASPECT of the PHONETICS. Also lexucography inclueds some basic infos on work on dictionaries, not only a list of dictionaries. Also, Serbian hasn't got any "Writing systems", but two alphabets, and both alphabets are represe3ntatives of the same writing system. Finally, "Geographic distribution" is a criteria of area, "demographics" of national identity of speakers.
B.R.--Luzzifer 13:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
On Grammar sections
You wrote, "To me it seems as if you're not all that concerned if anyone outside your own discipline actually understands articles about languages or linguistics." Who is going to fail to understand an article on a language simply because there are three sections called "Phonology", "Syntax", and "Morphology", or because there is one section called "Grammar" with three subsections called "Phonology", "Syntax", and "Morphology", rather than two sections called "Phonology" and "Grammar"? Getting it right isn't going to confuse anyone, so why deliberately get it wrong? —Angr 16:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- Why would anyone complain about this in articles intended for everyone? Granted that articles like Lexical functional grammar don't need to be simplified a whole lot due to their very specific nature and complexity, but when you're claiming that anything but a strictly by-and-for-academics approach is the only correct choice for a general article like Portuguese language, you're being highly inconsiderate to laymen. You certainly don't need these articles for your research and neither do your colleagues. You already have the know-how of most of these things and you certainly don't need to have extremely strictly defined terms in all articles on language or linguistics because an encyclopedia isn't a place for this kind of hairsplitting. Or at least not in such a prominent way. In articles like grammar, it's very reasonable to stress the fact that, for example, phonology is included in the modern academic definition of the term "grammar", but not in main language articles. Not even about very minor languages as far as I'm concerned, because where to draw the line between a language only relevant to academics and those relevant to the general public is fairly arbitrary.
- I still think you should get your priorities straight about this one, because I've seen from your arguments and the way your write articles (though thorough and meticulous) that you seem to want to turn a lot of the linguistic articles into linguistic papers rather than basic introductions to people who've never heard of the subject before.
- Peter 18:28, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
- You didn't answer my question. What makes you think a layman is going to be confused by having either (1) three sections of a language article called "Phonology", "Syntax", and "Morphology" or (2) one section of a language article called "Grammar" divided into three subsections called "Phonology", "Syntax", and "Morphology"? And here's another question: what makes you think these articles are intended for everyone? What makes you think anyone except people interested in languages are reading articles about languages? And the same goes for other fields: ten days ago, Today's Featured Article was Polar coordinate system, which is completely incomprehensible to anyone but a professional mathematician (or an amateur with professional-level understanding). That didn't stop it becoming featured and appearing on the main page. If math articles don't get dumbed down so laymen can understand them, why should language articles? (Although, as I say, using the term "grammar" correctly isn't confusing to laymen anyway.) —Angr 11:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- Having a (more or less) standardized article structure that assumes that the reader subscribes to a relatively obscure academic interpretation rather than a widely popular one serves little purpose in an encyclopedia. It can be explained in detail in grammar, but not in every single language article. Using "Sounds" instead of "Phonology" and sorting both "Syntax" and "Morphology" under "Grammar" does not make the article unscientific. It simple makes it more intuitive to a larger audience. The average linguist won't be confused by it, even if they might get annoyed that they can't write in Linguistic and be understood by everyone. And if you're outright stating that you don't want language articles to be for everyone, then you should seriously start thinking about getting yourself a research project to tinker with instead of turning Misplaced Pages into one. Trying to explain things to people who might not have a vested interest in, or indeed a deep understanding of, a topic is reasonably simplification, and interpreting every move in that direction as "dumbing down" is patently offensive to what I believe Misplaced Pages is all about; the democratization of knowledge.
- I'm also quite surprised that a linguist gives the appearance of having no clue about how passionate people can be about language, even if they're not interested in linguistics as such. Languages is a very touchy subject and they're relevant to just about everyone since it's a part of their everyday life and culture. You can't compare that with an article about mathematics, even if I do wish that more respect could be shown towards the non-nerdy laymen.
- Peter 20:29, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- What's unencyclopedic is providing misinformation simply because it's "widely popular". The belief that Spanish is the national language of Brazil is "widely popular"; shall we edit Brazil to say so? Many urban legends are also widely believed to be true; shall we simply say they are? Don't be absurd. Using "Sounds" instead of "Phonology" is both unscientific and condescending, because phonology is about much more than sounds; pretending that phonology is outside of grammar simply because most laymen don't understand what grammar means is also unscientific as well as academically dishonest. Laymen who don't already know a lot about linguistics have the right to linguistically accurate information; the democratization of knowledge may required some degree of simplification, but not the misuse of terminology. How will the interested layman learn what "grammar" actually means if the term isn't being used correctly in the articles he first encounters? The point of an encyclopedia is to educate the reader, not to pander to his preconceived notions.
- Trust me, as someone who works primarily on Irish, I know all too well how passionate people with no linguistic understanding can get about language -- all the more reason to keep language articles as dry and scientific as possible, to dissuade nationalistic passions from interfering with the encyclopedic content. None of this, however, changes the fact that no layman could possibly be confused by removing "Grammar" headings from language articles and just having three separate "Phonology", "Syntax", and "Morphology" headers. —Angr 08:25, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think we'll agree on much of the issues discussed here any time soon. The presentations that to you are equivalent to urban legends and outright false facts are to me reasonable simplifications. I suppose this might have something to do with the fact that Chomskian grammar isn't quite as dominant everywhere; that's something I've noticed myself as a student at Stockholm University, a fact which was confirmed by one of our teachers.
- But I really don't see your point in saying that "sounds" isn't an accurate, if simplified, substitution for "phonology". Why would it be inaccurate as a heading for a section of the sound system of a language?
- Peter 09:31, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- You didn't answer my question. What makes you think a layman is going to be confused by having either (1) three sections of a language article called "Phonology", "Syntax", and "Morphology" or (2) one section of a language article called "Grammar" divided into three subsections called "Phonology", "Syntax", and "Morphology"? And here's another question: what makes you think these articles are intended for everyone? What makes you think anyone except people interested in languages are reading articles about languages? And the same goes for other fields: ten days ago, Today's Featured Article was Polar coordinate system, which is completely incomprehensible to anyone but a professional mathematician (or an amateur with professional-level understanding). That didn't stop it becoming featured and appearing on the main page. If math articles don't get dumbed down so laymen can understand them, why should language articles? (Although, as I say, using the term "grammar" correctly isn't confusing to laymen anyway.) —Angr 11:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Chinese name
There is a dispute over whether to apply Template:Chinese name in articles of Chinese persons whose names are already rendered in the western order and have found myself in a few edit wars. Since you posted a comment on the template talk page (which has since been responded to), you may want to chime in at Template talk:Chinese name.--Jiang 23:23, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Restoration literature
I'd appreciate it if you withdrew your comment to Lucifer at the FAR for this article as a)he didn't bring it FAR and b)this FAR has previously descended into character assassination and mud-slinging and having it sparked off again will do nothing for either the article or the encyclopedia. Cheers, Yomangani 11:00, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- Toned down and de-personalized. I still think this is an extremely blunt application of deliberately vague guidelines.
- Peter 12:02, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. I think the current guidelines have evolved as the classic compromise: a middle ground that nobody is happy with. Unfortunately the entrenched positions of the interested parties means any work on them is slow, frustrating and normally collapses in a heap of recrimination. Ho hum. Yomangani 12:13, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- I can't help seeing it as an instance of the footnote counters having steamrolled the fairly moderate opposition (a lot of them people who actually have long-time experience with footnotes IRL) and leaving in their wake the impression for the rest of the community that "less is more" is something that sly, elitist academics try to envoke to get away with sloppy research. What I see in the FACs that are actually promoted lately is proof enough for me. :-(
- Peter 12:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. I think the current guidelines have evolved as the classic compromise: a middle ground that nobody is happy with. Unfortunately the entrenched positions of the interested parties means any work on them is slow, frustrating and normally collapses in a heap of recrimination. Ho hum. Yomangani 12:13, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Image:Noreen_1908.PNG
I have responded on my talk page. You may want to have a look. Regards, Shyam 12:35, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
IPA
There is no reason to remove it though, wikipedia is not paper. If someone with ESL comes through it could help them. Dictionary.com seems to think its worth providing a sound file for. . If you are really obsessed over 74 characters I'll find somewhere else to remove that many. -Ravedave 16:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages is not a dictionary. Dictionaries are supposed to give pronunciations for everything, and the file was as far as I can tell recorded for Wiktionary purposes since Dvortygirl doesn't do any specific work for any Wikipedias (that I'm aware of). Regardless of the number of characters, it's superfluous information in an encyclopedic article.
- And even if you consider second language speakers, Minnesota is still pretty darned easy to pronounce.
- Peter 17:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
- I specifically asked DvortyGirl to record it for the article. If we go with your argument of WP not being a dictionary, and therefore not needing IPA pronuciations, then why aren't the IPA pronunciations removed from *all* pages regardless of difficulty? That argument doesn't work. I have posed the question on the talk page. -Ravedave 17:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
More what?
Hello, out of interest what does 'M0aR N0tZ0RS' mean? --Joopercoopers 01:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- You know... The dinky li'l numbers that people smear all over perfectly verifiable articles so they'll look more verifiable to people who wouldn't know proper citation formats it it bit them in the ass. Some call them "notes", but I thought it fit the occasion. :-9
- Peter 09:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Regional cuisine comment
Added more to the comment. Though created (>2000 characters by the end of 1 March, as of today, it is >18000 characters.) — ERcheck (talk) 02:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- Book keeping comment - article on next update. — ERcheck (talk) 02:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Regional variations in medieval cuisine on DYK for 7 March 2007
On 7 March, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Regional variations in medieval cuisine, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
Thank you for your contributions! Nice, comprehensive article. — ERcheck (talk) 06:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Michael Jordan
your injection of sense into the discussion is much appreciated. Chensiyuan 10:03, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- that said, give Quad a break too, the discussion will probably be less intense if it took place face-to-face as opposed to over the internet. we are all trying to make WP a better place and to that end given both of your contributions to WP all opinions should be respected. Chensiyuan 17:14, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- Considering that the main thrusts of all his counter-arguments (except for completely trivial stuff like "His Airness") is "you're alone on this" (even when it's not true), "you're the first one to suggest it" or to pick apart objections through mere rhetorical feints I don't exactly see what it is I should be respecting. And now there's a second objector who considers that the article is too long. You wanna bet that he's not going to try to belittle him as well?
- Peter 18:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Medieval cuisine
Congrats on a great article. Hope to see it on the main page in due time! Cheers, Christopher Parham (talk) 08:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks! I'm really excited about it since I've really put my heart and soul into the article. I'm going to what I can to add a section on food preparation and more on fasting before I have to batten down the hatches and prepare for the onslaught of attention that is main page attention. I'm suspecting that'll be a lot sooner than anyone expects...
- Peter 09:32, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the comment on my talk page. It really is an excellent article. Well done. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:23, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well done, everybody, et bon appétit! Kosebamse 20:57, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm a bit late, but congratulations! Really an excellent article. Opabinia regalis 02:55, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, congratulations. Too bad I missed out on the voting. Here's to an accomplishment worthy of a flagon of mead and some date-stuffed pheasants! Durova 04:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks to everyone for their encouragement and support! Everyone has been very helpful and given me plenty of good insights on how to improve and expand the article. I've requested for the article to be featured on the main page, and I would be most thankful if you could help out with comments on the summary.
- Peter 16:26, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Left a few words of encouragement at the link. Cheers, Durova 02:16, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
A nice cookie for you
becuase I could not find a dish of eels in hypocras sauce. In appreciation of your work on Medieval cuisine, Tom Harrison 01:59, 5 April 2007 (UTC) |
Re. Dr.
Misplaced Pages has guidelines on styles and how to use them, as I stated on the discussion page -previous to your comments- the Goebbels article qualified as a case where the style DR. should be used. Thus it was, now because I am not a historical figure I would be very glad if you addressed me as Doctor, thank you very much. Gavin Scott 19:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, of course, Dr. Scott! But in return for this rather unique act of wikihumility I only ask that you address me as "Your Scrumptious Deliciousness and Grand Master of Fire-breathing Subtleties".
- Peter 19:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Well then, Your Scrumptious Deliciousness and Grand Master of Fire-breathing Subtleties you may see that I have removed the Dr. prefix from the article. Now then, I suggest you calm down, loose the attitude and go get some fresh air Gavin Scott 19:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- Asking of a fellow wikipedian to be addressed "Doctor" is pretty darned haughty and deserves a tart retort. You're being pretty defensive about the Goebbels-article. It's in a great shape and I think it's only a few minor fix-ups from earning its FA-status and as you may have noticed, I'm not new to the game. So let's both try to assume a little more good faith, k?
- Peter 20:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree, however, I suppose I am fairly protective of the Goebbels article but I can't help but feel as I read it that it portrays Goebbels as an evil little man, which (and I have debated this to great length) is just not the case. However, I am not some neo-nazi who seeks to glorify Goebbels and what he did and while I have always referred to him as Dr. Goebbels it is because I know how difficult gaining such a title is and I suppose I like to see it recognised. Yet, I have conceeded the point that the prefix should not be included in lead. Gavin Scott 20:18, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
William Monahan at WP:FAC
Peter, you're welcome. I'm glad the article made it to FA. If you have time could you read my article William Monahan and comment at FAC.-BillDeanCarter 23:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Talk:Domenico Selvo
Hey, Peter. I've responded to your kind and thoughtful message on the talk page for Domenico Selvo. I hope you can answer some of my questions. :-D JHMM13 06:06, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- I just want to thank you again for your taking your time to help me out with this article. I've finished one of the last few sections and I've only got a few more to go before I just rewrite the lead and put it up for peer review. Hopefully this won't take me more than a few days. I was wondering if you would be so kind as to help me out with the peer review when I put it up. As I did on the talk page, I'll be addressing certain questions all in one place so I don't waste your time and I'll try to lay it out as well as I can. I've been using your tips and as you can see (Domenico Selvo) I have made separate notes and references sections, which, as you suggested, has proven to be very useful in editing. Cheers, JHMM13 05:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I'm no expert on 11th century Italy, but I'll do what I can. Count on my help for the peer review.
- Peter 07:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot. :-D JHMM13 19:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Irish phonology
Okay, I've tried to increase the readability of Irish phonology for non-experts. Please take another look and let me know what you think at Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Irish phonology. Thanks! —Angr 19:58, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Goebbels
Joseph Goebbels obtained an earned Ph.D., and hence was entitled to be addressed as Doktor. This does not excuse his behaviour in the Nazi era.--Anthony.bradbury 20:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- I don't recall claiming the contrary...
- Peter 21:50, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Ärans och hjältarnas språk
Hej Peter!
Do you have any opinion about employing the old Tegnér quotation as the almost first thing defining the Swedish language? Cf. Talk:Swedish (language)#"language of glory and heroes"
Yours, JoergenB 20:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- Hi, Joergen and Peter. I noticed this message, and have responded on the talkpage. (And reverted, too. Be bold)! Best wishes, Bishonen | talk 21:30, 20 March 2007 (UTC).
- What Bish said, pretty much...
- Peter 22:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Cynical?
Hi Peter. Sorry, but I'm wondering what the intent of this is exactly? I made a plea for good formatting, and it seems you're including that as a cynical comment. Or am I reading it wrong? Marskell 10:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- I meant what I said; I don't like cynical bureaucrats with an inflated sense of their own importance. I didn't say that all comments in the thread were cynical.
- Peter 13:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- OK, well, I'm still confused. I don't like cynical bureaucrats either. But I didn't see any posting in that thread. Marskell 13:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- I believe the attitude radiated from many regulars of FAC and FAR that smear their generalized criticism on articles in rushed and broad strokes is clearly cynical and pretentious. Talk about scaring FAC:ers into shaping up from those same users just makes it more obvious.
- Peter 14:46, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, that comment was ill-advised. The unfortunate problem that I keep seeing is stupid comments get made, and the baby subsequently gets thrown out with the bathwater. We do need some checklists ('author, work, date(s), publisher, access date' is a checklist, after all) and we do need people to apply them consistently. Marskell 18:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- That I agree on and I don't want to discourage anyone from either applying or, at times, even demanding certain citation formats. But this logic can not be extended to fact statements. Such statements can only have two basic demands: a) that they are verifiable (meaning that there is a source mentioned, no matter how it is cited) and b) that no one can challenge them with anything but decent amounts of logic or by citing (or even hinting at the existence of) a conflicting statement in a different source. Everything else has to be negotiated, and only those who provide good argumentation should be given the benefit of the doubt. The behavior or many reviewers as of lately has been almost entirely devoid of good argumentation, but filled to the brim with a lot of strident opinions.
- Peter 16:11, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Removing {{fact}} tags
Regarding this. If you have a reason that a {{fact}} tag should not be there, please bring it up on the talk page. Per WP:V "The obligation to provide a reliable source lies with the editors wishing to include the material, not with those seeking to remove it."
That means that I can request a citation without an explanation, but if you feel that the section is already attributed, or does not need attribution then the burden is on you to demonstrate that. I already explained to you that I don't need to have a discussion before requesting a citation. I am going to return that tag, and if it is removed without providing a citation, or explaining why a citation is not needed, then the information in question should be removed.
The article is very good, and the last thing I want to do is remove swaths of information, which is why I am working on getting it cited. You are demonstrating ownership of this article. I see from the history that you have done much work, but that does not put you in charge of it. If you don't like the tag, then cite the information, or remove the information.
I am working within policy to improve the article. InBC 18:02, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- I am not going to edit war with you, I advise you to return the tag or cite the facts in that paragraph. You have not made any sort of cogent objection to the tag, whereas my addition of the tag came with a very clear explanation. I am not sure why you are objecting so strongly to my attempt to improve this article, frankly I am baffled. InBC 20:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, I posted on the talk page, perhaps you can explain this now? InBC 20:45, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Comment from the peanut gallery
This is just about the best way of putting this particular point that I've yet read. I can't quite remember what I was doing on that talk page in the first place, but I'm glad I saw it ;) Opabinia regalis 04:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Domenico Selvo peer review
Hey, Peter. I'm just letting you know that I've finished the article and I've submitted it for peer review here. If you have any extra time and are interested in helping out, I would very much appreciate any input you have to improve this article that, though I would like to call it mine ;-), is ultimately Misplaced Pages's to improve beyond what I have done. To help guide the peer reviewers, I've posted a list of concerns I have with the article at this point. Helping on any one of these or suggesting anything on top of that would be a great help! Thanks a lot, JHMM13 07:31, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Entremets and Sotleties
Peter, thanks for your message. I feel I can't give much useful help on those two articles, I'm sorry to say, because I'm not really a medieval food specialist (Byzantium was out on its own!) and the references available to me are much less consistent and explicit than I would have hoped. You may have found the same ... I'll keep watching them, though, and where I can help I will. Best wishes Andrew Dalby 20:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- Too bad... Thanks for the pointers anyhew. Like you said, I get the feeling that this might be an issue which has not been investigated thoroughly yet. Or at least that no scholars have really gotten around to debating the problem. I hope to get going on all kinds of historical cuisines in the near future. I'm in the research and planning stages of articles on Ancient Egyptian, Aztec, Mayan, Inca and early modern European cuisines right now. And probably more on the regional medieval cuisines. But if I keep this up I'm pretty sure I'll be taking on Byzantine cuisine fairly soon. It'll be delightful to get your input on that once I get going.
- Peter 15:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Domenico Selvo FAC
Hey, Peter. I just want to let you know that, thanks in part to your help at the various stages in the writing of this article, I have nominated it for FA status. I hope you have a chance to check it out and I will continue carefully addressing any concern you might have. Thanks again, JHMM13 23:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)