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#:::: Then you are in the wrong project. The vast majority of all actions on Misplaced Pages are unilateral. Only rarely do we find it necessary to hold lengthy ebates first, and when someone is on the telephone actively threatening to sue the project into oblivion is not one of the better times to respond "oh, het, we'll just chat about this among ourselves for a couple of weeks and then get back to you". And even that misses the point: Danny was doing as he was required to do by Jimbo, so your beef is actually with Jimbo, who was the originator of the office action and performed several himself. I suggest you go to ArbCom and ask to have Jimbo's sysop rights removed, rather than opposing the RfA of one of the very few Wikipedians who can demonstrate unequivocally that he has Jimbo's absolute trust. <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 16:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | #:::: Then you are in the wrong project. The vast majority of all actions on Misplaced Pages are unilateral. Only rarely do we find it necessary to hold lengthy ebates first, and when someone is on the telephone actively threatening to sue the project into oblivion is not one of the better times to respond "oh, het, we'll just chat about this among ourselves for a couple of weeks and then get back to you". And even that misses the point: Danny was doing as he was required to do by Jimbo, so your beef is actually with Jimbo, who was the originator of the office action and performed several himself. I suggest you go to ArbCom and ask to have Jimbo's sysop rights removed, rather than opposing the RfA of one of the very few Wikipedians who can demonstrate unequivocally that he has Jimbo's absolute trust. <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 16:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
#::::Classic case of "Don't shoot the messenger". "He's made his decisions" - surely you've read that these OFFICE actions weren't Danny's own personal decisions, but those made by Danny, Brad and the Foundation as one entity, acting in the best interests of the project, even if they've pissed people off, the only reason your able to complain about them now is because they worked and stopped the site from being shut down, especially earlier on. I also have to agree with Guy. Even on Misplaced Pages, there's a point where the discussion stops and the unilateral action starts. <span style="font-size:95%">-- ]<sup> ]</sup></span> 16:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
#'''Oppose,''' pretty much per JustH, who put it better then I put it before the edit conflict. ]]]<small>]</small> 15:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | #'''Oppose,''' pretty much per JustH, who put it better then I put it before the edit conflict. ]]]<small>]</small> 15:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
#'''Oppose''', per above. ] 16:33, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | #'''Oppose''', per above. ] 16:33, 6 April 2007 (UTC) |
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Danny
Voice your opinion (177/53/7); Scheduled to end 00:38, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
It is my pleasure to nominate Danny for adminship on the English Misplaced Pages. For those of you who don't know, allow me to catch you up on some history. Danny was first directly appointed to the role of admin by Jimbo, and then later, in 2003, his adminship was confirmed by RFa election. He recently resigned his adminship upon resigning from official employment at the Foundation (where had been Grants Coordinator since 2005). He resigned his adminship (as well as stewardship) to prevent any perceived conflicts of interest following leaving employment at WMF. He hasn't yet revealed his reasons for resigning his role from the Foundation, but know that it has nothing whatsoever to do with any sort of disagreement with anything that Misplaced Pages itself stands for. He also has extensive experience working on Wikisource, Wikimedia Commons, and the Hebrew Misplaced Pages. His work on Misplaced Pages more than stands on its own, even ignoring any contributions he made in official capacities.
Danny is not done with his work on Misplaced Pages, not by a long shot, and it would help him in his continued work for the project to gain adminship rights back. There isn't a single person in the entire world more familiar with Misplaced Pages than Danny. Whereas Jimbo has been more of an absentee God-king, Danny was in the office every day from 9-5 working on some of the trickiest issues that Misplaced Pages faces, and then would often log on after work and help write articles. He has an ungodly number of edits for anyone who cares about those kinds of things. He's also handled all sorts of behind-the-scenes stuff that few have ever heard about, but was vital all the same.
Danny has been making huge contributions to Misplaced Pages since before most current Wikipedians even ever heard about it. For instance, he wrote the original biography infoboxes and put them on all of the articles on US presidents. This was a harder task than it now seems, because neither templates nor wiki table syntax had even been coded yet, so Danny learned HTML and created all of those infoboxes from scratch. Most people with high edit counts have done a lot of counter-vandalism work; in contrast, Danny has done very little. Nearly all of his edits have been significant edits improving the quality of the encyclopedia. Danny's excellent judgment, skills, and unparalleled knowledge of Misplaced Pages make him the perfect administrator candidate.
Making Danny an administrator again is as obvious a decision as any we're liable to find on Misplaced Pages. Yes, Danny has been involved in some controversy, but that's utterly unavoidable when you consider how much time he spent working here and how many controversial situations his position required him to get involved in (for instance, almost every WP:OFFICE case). The qualification for adminship is simply "do we trust him?", and I can't think of anyone I would answer that question about more strongly in the affirmative for than someone who has been deeply involved with Misplaced Pages and the Wikimedia Foundation for five years.
--Cyde Weys 00:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:
I accept. Danny 01:08, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages in this capacity. Please take the time to answer a few generic questions to provide guidance for participants:
- 1. What sysop chores do you anticipate helping with?
- A: I don't think there is a valid answer to this question because it limits the role of the sysop. I believe that a sysop is a janitor, a person who helps to clean up the site and keep it functioning. If I were asked, in an interview for a janitorial position, what tasks I anticipate, would I be exempt from any other tasks that needed doing? If I said I would clean up spills, I would still have to fix broken windows. So, I simply anticipate doing what needs to be done and is within the scope of my ability. Surprise me. Danny
- 2. Of your articles or contributions to Misplaced Pages, are there any with which you are particularly pleased, and why?
- A: Five years. I am particularly pleased that I stuck it out for five years. I've seen lots of changes, lots of people come and go, I have had exhilirating moments and extremely frustrating moments, but I am still here. Of that I am proud. Danny
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A: You can't be involved with editing without being involved in conflict. You can't be involved in Misplaced Pages without seeing your blood pressure rise on occasion. And you can't have one single way to deal with each situation. Danny
Optional question by User:Xiner
- 4. Would you like to respond to the concerns brought up by AnonEMouse and trialsanderrors?
- A: I don't think thet are concerns. I think they are misconceptions. I believe that administrators have a responsibility for the site, i.e., they have to be willing to make decisions, and they have to recognize that sometimes their decisions will be unpopular, because there is no single answer that will please everyone. No matter what is said, the spammer will still complain that spam was removed, the person writing a vanity article about themselves will complain that it was removed, the person posting a copyright violation will complain that it is removed. Not everything has to be discussed ad nauseum, because that only provides greater ammunition to the spammer, the vanity author, and the copyright violator. They come back thinking, "Hey, I convinced some people. If I push a little harder, perhaps I can convince more." In fact, that is what happened with the Israel News Agency, a man who I spoke to, who told me on the phone that I have a responsibility as a Jew to allow him to use Misplaced Pages for his own SEO purposes and to promote his pet (POV) causes. I believe that Misplaced Pages has to enforce its own rules, rather than continuously water them down in an attempt to please everyone. With some 10 thousand spam links a day being added to Misplaced Pages, and people calling regularly to ask about how they can promote themselves or their businesses, it is time to act. I realize that this may be an unpopular view, but it is not something I would compromise on. Decide accordingly. I will not water down my views to win a vote.
- B: That said, I do not believe I am infallible. I have made mistakes, and can list much better examples than those brought here. On the other hand, Misplaced Pages is a product that allows for mistakes, because mistakes are so easy to fix. If other admins or other users disagree with me, that is fine. I will present my opinions, listen to theirs, and if no compromise is attainable, accept the verdict of the majority. I have done so in the past, and I do not see myself acting differently in the future. The beauty is that even if I was wrong, it can be corrected. The good thing is that I can accept if I was wrong, instead of feeling a need to argue the point till the cows come home, which is more and more frequently what is happening on Misplaced Pages, on the talk pages and on the mailing lists. Do we want to build an encyclopedia or read our opinions on line? If it is the latter, I suggest that the blogosphere is a better place for it.
- C: As for edit summaries--I have been around for a very long time, from a time, in fact, where edit summaries were not common practice. It takes some time for an old dog to learn new tricks. At the suggestion of someone below, I have changed my preferences to require me to add edit summaries. That said, I think, and have always thought, that far too much emphasis is being placed on the way an edit is made than on the quality of the contribution. That is unfortunate. On that same note, I think far too much onus is placed on the fluff answers people want to see than on the honest answers people should see. Danny 05:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Optional question by trialsanderrors
- 5. I would actually like to make this more specific: Why do think that the contributions by Ekraam (talk · contribs), who added an (attributed) copy of the Computing Business article on HSBC senior executive Rumi Contractor warrants a month-long block without warning or explanation rather than to point him/her towards out copyright and inclusion policies ?
- A: I think my answer above explains my position. To be more specific, this was obviously spam intended to promote someone who would not be included in a normal encycloepdia--a regional CIO? C'mon? Do we have an article about Carolyn Doran (the COO of the WMF), of the CIO of Suntrust Bank (my bank)? As for using a copyrighted text, that is generally done when people do not want us to be able to edit the content. On the phone I have heard numerous times, "That is the official bio, and it shoudl not have to be edited." I do not believe spammers are coming to Misplaced Pages in good faith to improve the encyclopedia. They are coming to promote a POV agenda, and should be treated as such. Their interests are not our interests, and it behooves us to realize that now, before it is too late. Once again, I realize that this will be an unpopular answer, and I invite you to vote accordingly. Danny 05:07, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Optional question by User:Geogre
- 6. What is the value and role of IRC for an administrator to Misplaced Pages? What is the value and role of an ostensibly private and "admins-only" discussion forum that cannot be examined for violations of decorum or policy? Finally, what is the responsibility of those "in charge" of such fora to be 100% aware of the on-wiki controversies and polemics of the participants in such channels, and especially those with "operator" access? (I wish that I had never needed to ask this.) Geogre 12:21, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- A: There are several questions here, and I will try to respond to all of them. First, I believe that IRC is a valuable forum, though its importance is over-emphasized. I do believe that communications are vital for the success of everything we do, and that IRC provides one venue for such communication, but it should not be the only venue. I also think that too much time is wasted on IRC in general chats, gossip, and, frankly, pretty stupid discussions at times. This is detrimental to the project, but it is, unfortunately, also inevitable given our size, and given the fact that people want to be doing something, but aren't quite sure what it is they should be doing. Many months ago, I wrote an essay on this very topic. I also think it helps promotes cliques and factions, though not to the extreme that some people would have us think. After all, in a project of this size, with this number of contributors, all with slightly different views, cliques and factions ar inevitable. Finally, I think IRC or some equivalent would inevitably have emerged, whether people want it to or not. On the other hand, you seem to be indicating the admin channel in particular. I was one of the people that advocated the creation of that channels, so that hot-button topics could be dealt with quickly and effectively. I believe that should still be the goal of the admin channel, though that is not always the case. I do not believe it should be limited to admins (I am on the channel, though I am not presently an admin), but at the same time, I do not believe we should not institute a new category of "trusted users." I believe that certain matters need to be discussed in confidence among certain very active users who have proved themselves (for example, vandalism that could have very negative legal or press implications), but I do not believe that this is necessarily the role played by the admin channel today. Finally, I believe that people have to look beyond the status of any of these titles--admin, bureaucrat, steward, office--thinking that by obtaining one they are climbing in stature within Misplaced Pages. It is not about status, but about improving the encyclopedia, which is what all fora for communication should be about. Danny 12:42, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Optional question by A. B.
- 7. Would you add your name to the Category:Administrators open to recall?--A. B. 16:51, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- A: The question of admin recall reminds me of a very old question (early 2003, I believe) of reconfirming admins. I believed in it, and set an example by being the first admin to run for reconfirmation. I passed, and that gave greater justification to my adminship, since before that I was actually appointed (there were no elections once). I gave up my adminship again some months later, while on a wikibreak, and asked to be reelected. I succeeded and was still an admin until last week, when I volutarily relinquished it again because my status in the foundation changed, and I did not want anyone thinking that my adminship was a relic of that status. In fact, I was an admin before there was even a foundation. I think these actions speak louder than any list. I have relinquished my adminship. Danny 17:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Clarification, please: your history certainly speaks louder than membership in a category, but will you also add yourself to that category, if only as a formality, or will you not do so, as a rejection of the idea of that category? --AnonEMouse 17:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- I believe that such a process should fall on all admins, without exception, not just those who are willing to list their names. I would support a poll for regular reconfirmation of admins. I would not link myself to that category. In general, I think categories should be used to classify content, not contributors. Danny 17:17, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Clarification, please: your history certainly speaks louder than membership in a category, but will you also add yourself to that category, if only as a formality, or will you not do so, as a rejection of the idea of that category? --AnonEMouse 17:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- A: The question of admin recall reminds me of a very old question (early 2003, I believe) of reconfirming admins. I believed in it, and set an example by being the first admin to run for reconfirmation. I passed, and that gave greater justification to my adminship, since before that I was actually appointed (there were no elections once). I gave up my adminship again some months later, while on a wikibreak, and asked to be reelected. I succeeded and was still an admin until last week, when I volutarily relinquished it again because my status in the foundation changed, and I did not want anyone thinking that my adminship was a relic of that status. In fact, I was an admin before there was even a foundation. I think these actions speak louder than any list. I have relinquished my adminship. Danny 17:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Optional question by Dragons flight
- 8. In your OFFICE role, you have had the luxury of asserting a greater authority than ordinary admins. For good or ill, the community generally would have had little recourse to challenge your decisions. Obviously there are times when the nature of your OFFICE role required action (including possibly secret action) that would deviate from the normal policies, process, and standards of behavior for ordinary admins on Misplaced Pages. However, the issue raised by some of the opposers is whether your behavior differed from that normally expected of admins even at times when there wasn't a pressing reason to do so. I would like you address whether or not you feel your actions in the past have been consistent with the normal standards for admin behavior, and whether you are prepared to abide by the expectations laid out in policies such as WP:DEL, WP:CSD, WP:BLOCK, and WP:BITE even if you disagree with aspects of how those policies are currently constructed. Dragons flight 18:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- A. The whole issue of using OFFICE is a red herring. I only used office as Dannyisme, and even then, there were only 28 edits made using that name, 13 to the main namespace, and all of those on the same 4 or 5 articles at the request of Jimmy or Brad. Anything else I did (with the exception of the first time I used OFFICE, which was as Danny), was done under this user name. I feel that, as Danny, I have followed the policies mentioned above, though I did not take them to ridiculous extremes. In fact, it was me who came up with the idea of BLP tagging in the first place, so I am quite comfortable that I behaved accordingly, based on information that I had. The only issue I see as possibly valid is WP:BITE, and as I indicated before, I do not think that spammers and the like should be regarded as "harmless newbies, trying to help build an encyclopedia." They are here with an agenda--to promote their product, cause, self, etc., and frankly, they don't give a damn about our own policies, except as means of self-promotion. When I am told on the phone that Fleshlight is interested in having its article in the main namespace solely as a means of promotion, I have no qualms about deleting it. In cases of spam or obvious bad intent, I will continue to bite. Danny 18:59, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Optional question by User:Xiner
- 9. My chief concerns about your candidacy is best laid out in an essay about the vested contributor. Could you address it?
- A: I disagree with the assumption of the article. Experience has a role to play in all aspects of life, including editing a wiki. To assume otherwise is patent nonsense. Danny 18:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Optional question by User:ChazBeckett
- 10. Why do you believe nearly 25% of particants in this RfA are opposed to granting adminship? If this RfA succeeds, will this relatively high level of opposition affect your behavior as an admin? ChazBeckett 16:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- A: I really cannot speak for all of the people who are opposed. I think their concerns are genuine, though I think that they are overlooking some of the other things i have done. I am not one for tooting my own horn, and I don't intend to list them all here, but I have been a successful mediator, I turned down checkuser because I thought I had too much power as it is, and I was the first to initiate mentoring of vandals. In fact, I advocated strongly for two people who I thought could continue to make significant contributions to Misplaced Pages despite the fact that they were immediately tagged as vandals (Mike Garcia and Wik). In that I believe I took a more concilliatory approach than many of the people opposing me here. I also think that RfA is not a reflection of the community--it is more a reflection of the RfA patrollers. Too many good, established users avoid it. That is unfortunate. I think that "Assume good faith" has lost its meaning, and is now used as a bludgeon against people--rather than genuinely assuming good faith themselves, people are more apt to point out when someone else did not assume good faith. In that alone, Misplaced Pages is losing some of its moral highground, and it saddens me. Finally, I am disturbed by some of the advice I am getting--"Tell them what they want to hear." I can only question the efficacy of a process in which people are encouraged to not say what they really think to win a vote. I have been very honest in my answers. I don't believe that there is one pat solution for every problem, or one single way to act. I think each situation should be judged as unique and responded to accordingly. So, in response to your last question, I will not give the pat answer everyone would like to see, and which no one really keeps to anyways. I will act as I have said I will. I will evaluate each situation, make judgments based on experience, and act accordingly. As for conflicts I have been in, that is certainly true. I have been in conflicts in the past. I anticipate being in conflicts in the future, whether I am an admin or not. How can I be involved with seeing Misplaced Pages grow and flourish, overcome problems, and become the amazing resource it can be if I am not willing to get my hands dirty every now and again? Danny 17:26, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Optional question by User:ElinorD
- 11. Recently I have seen discussion about whether or not it is permissable (and whether or not it should be permissable) to link to sites such as Encyclopaedia Dramatica, Daniel Brandt's site, and Misplaced Pages Review, which either attack individual editors/administrators, or post their personal details (or in some cases do both). There is also the question as to whether posting a nowiki'd URL in the case of a site which has been blacklisted is (or should be) allowed. If you had the power to make (or vote on) such decisions, what position would you take? ElinorD (talk) 17:18, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- A: I do not understand the question: 1. How does linking to these sites enhance the quality of the encyclopedia we are trying to build? 2. How does this impact my performance as an admin? Danny 17:32, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Clarification: Okay, I'll clarify. How does linking to these sites enhance the quality of the encyclopaedia? There is currently an article about Daniel Brandt. Should it or should it not have links to his site? There was an article about Encyclopaedia Dramatica. While I'm not familiar with all the details, I think it was deleted in part because the existence of such an article was inviting the posting of links to it, if not on the article itself, then on the talk page. When that article existed, should links to it have been permitted? With regard to the relevance this has to your performance as an admin, admins have the power to block people who post links to sites that give names and addresses of editors. Admins have the power to delete such links from page histories. They have the power to protect a page where such links are being posted. They also have the power to undo such blocks, deletions, and protections performed by other admins. Some editors feel that allowing such links is condoning and enabling real-life stalking. Other editors feel that forbidding such links is a form of censorship. Since every prospective admin will, if the RfA is successful, be given tools that will enable him to strengthen one or other of those two conflicting positions, it would be useful, before voting, to know which side you would support. ElinorD (talk) 17:49, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- If it is the policy of the Foundation not to link to those sites, I will enforce it. As an admin, I do not make policy. Danny 18:05, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Clarification: Okay, I'll clarify. How does linking to these sites enhance the quality of the encyclopaedia? There is currently an article about Daniel Brandt. Should it or should it not have links to his site? There was an article about Encyclopaedia Dramatica. While I'm not familiar with all the details, I think it was deleted in part because the existence of such an article was inviting the posting of links to it, if not on the article itself, then on the talk page. When that article existed, should links to it have been permitted? With regard to the relevance this has to your performance as an admin, admins have the power to block people who post links to sites that give names and addresses of editors. Admins have the power to delete such links from page histories. They have the power to protect a page where such links are being posted. They also have the power to undo such blocks, deletions, and protections performed by other admins. Some editors feel that allowing such links is condoning and enabling real-life stalking. Other editors feel that forbidding such links is a form of censorship. Since every prospective admin will, if the RfA is successful, be given tools that will enable him to strengthen one or other of those two conflicting positions, it would be useful, before voting, to know which side you would support. ElinorD (talk) 17:49, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- A: I do not understand the question: 1. How does linking to these sites enhance the quality of the encyclopedia we are trying to build? 2. How does this impact my performance as an admin? Danny 17:32, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Optional question by User:Irpen
- 11. Since the administrators are very much involved in hot issues that include the live users and content creators, be it the conflict resolutions or policies that do not have the clear cut interpretations and require case by case approach, it is very important that the administrators do not loose touch with the editors' concerns through remaining continuously involved in content writing themselves. In view of this, I am concerned with your answer to Q2. Are you able to demonstrate by your relatively recent contributions that you still did not loose interest in the content writing, which is the main purpose of this project?
- A Iran-Iraq boundary is the most recent article I am most proud of. I have also done a lot of content adding to Wikisource, linking it to Misplaced Pages to provide resources for articles. Danny 18:01, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Optional question by User:Pascal.Tesson
- 13 I'm not so comfortable with some of your above answers to editor questions. You certainly realize that many are unhappy about your occasional disregard of policy, common practice and the community in general. I'm sure you believed you acted for the greater good of Misplaced Pages but the community doesn't give someone admin rights because they think that person knows better than anyone what's right for Misplaced Pages. We give them these rights because we trust that they will follow the rules and practices we have set up and will consult with the community should they choose otherwise or find that these rules need to be changed. Are you confident that your position of authority hasn't made you lose track of that principle? For instance, do you still believe that it's currently ok to issue prolonged blocks without warning to users you believe are spammers? Pascal.Tesson 21:19, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- A: Actually, I am opposed to the excessive legalism and process that has emerged over the past few years. I think there are way too many rules--too many in fact to get on with the real task in hand, which is creating a font of knowledge. I have no idea how many rules pages there are now, but they number in the thousands. I would prefer a much simpler approach, a single page. Esperanto grammar has sixteen rules. We can model ourselves on that. Or even more simply, I would suggest a greater adherence to the Five Pillars, including the last one. Or do we not really mean that. As for the opposition to me and what I am saying, I tend to look at a glass as being three-quarters full, rather than one-quarter empty. And I am glad that people are actually considering some of the issues I am raising (as you are doing, just by asking this question). Maybe change is possible. Danny 21:32, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Optional question from Bastique
- 14 There have been several remarks about the nature of your office actions. Can you provide further explanation about what an office action is and in what context you were performing them?
- A: I find the whole question of office actions moot. To be clear, there were 7 office actions performed--6 under Dannyisme and only one under this user name. In each instance, I did not make the decision, but was instructed to do so by the General Counsel of the Wikimedia Foundation in response to a looming legal threat. I never had the authority to do or undo office actions, despite the misperception, because I was the one who actually put the tag in place. The last time I did so was Nov. 7, i.e., 5 months ago. Because of the high visibility office actions engendered, they were essentially abandoned. Danny 23:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Optional question from Cool Cat
- 15 I was wondering if you could provide some examples of your offline/online office actions you were involved in. What kinds of issues did you deal with? -- Cat 22:59, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- A: First and foremost, I dealt with everyday money issues. I worked closely with the bank, helped with the audit, worked on the fundraiser, went in search of grants and donations. I did pretty well at that. I also answered the phone--again and again and again. It was a hiodgepodge of people from senators and congressmen (remember when they were changing Misplaced Pages?) -- to celebrities when we got the facts wrong -- to people who wanted articles about themselves (I was number 18 on American Idol. How am I supposed to get famous if there is no article about me) -- to publicity hounds (Osama Bin Laden's mistress comes to mind) who want their articles to say what they want -- to spammers ("Hey, I am trying to advertise my company on your website and someone changed what I wrote. Can you lock it? If not I will sue you and your family.") -- to kooks -- to serious legal threats -- to people asking how to get the coyotes out of their backyard. Yesterday I had dinner with someone who was in the office one day. He said that in the two hours he was there I field four calls that impressed him. I don't remember the first, but there was the family of a child actor who was being stalked, Osama's lady friend, and the police in Wisconsin who wanted someone who could read runes (don't ask, but suffice it to say they were written in blood). Then there were schools, lots of schools, calling because rival schools called their football team faggots or their computer club, idiot savants, or some teacher, a pedophile. And I can go on and on ... Get me drunk and will tell you about the Elders of of Mother Earth, calling from Deutschland ... that is Germany ... on Gaia ... which is the planet Earth ... Danny 23:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Optional question from Murgh
- 16 Since it seems many take issue with episodes of past interactions, and the form of your answers neglect to butter up what a fundamentally nice person you are, I'd like to ask, do you view it as important to be patient and courteous in communication with your fellow wikipedians? MURGH 15:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- A: I think it is important to be patient and courteous to everyone who has the best interests of the project at heart. Danny 15:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- General comments
- See Danny's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.
- I will appreciate your support, and will understand your hesitation. Danny 01:08, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- The January 2004 RfA.
Please keep criticism constructive and polite.
Discussion
- If things continue as Í think they will, this may be a good example for others that, once you become respected by the community and showed at least as much respect towards Misplaced Pages, you really need to mess everything bad, too bad, to lose that respect. No candidate would be able to pass a RfA with those replies but few, very few ones. -- ReyBrujo 01:42, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- What's wrong with his replies? Responses to these questions are used to gauge how knowledgeable of and dedicated to Misplaced Pages someone is. In Danny's case, these questions are totally superfluous. I think his response to question 3, which is forged in bucketfuls of real world experience, is the most refreshingly honest and insightful answer I've ever seen. --Cyde Weys 03:31, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
"How does this help Misplaced Pages?" That is something, without fail, Danny asks in each and every situation. In the few months I watched him work in the office Danny's first concern wasn't what people were saying, or who did what, or getting his face in the media. Danny's focus is on what helps the project most at that moment.
His ideas are always practical and solid. If Danny sees something that might work for Misplaced Pages as far as acquiring content or getting official endorsements from respected institutions or landing donations ... he will make it happen. He doesn't waste time generating massive discussion pages or disputing minor issues.
Most people help the project either by being contributors or by performing services (working at the office/networking/hardware/legal issues/donations/etc.). Danny is one of the few people that does both. I once watched him spend 12 hours answering phones, meeting with donors, giving projects to idle volunteers, solving travel problems, and a few other things I can't remember. He then went home and translated four Misplaced Pages pages into Hebrew.
Danny Wool is one of the project's greatest allies, and it would only suffer without his help administrating it.
Atshields0 03:15, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Support
- Oppose - Candidate's failure to sign acceptance displays insufficient experience with Misplaced Pages :) - David Oberst 01:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Is this vote under the wrong section? // Internet Esquire 20:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support of course. Jkelly 01:09, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Jkelly kinda took the words out of my mouth. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 01:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support fabulous guy. Fabulous admin. Mak (talk) 01:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- WP:300 Support Viridae 01:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. "No reason not to" does not to Danny justice. "The most qualified candidate ever" might. --Deskana (ya rly) 01:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- But of course. Picaroon 01:22, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support-Usually I'd give a reason but none is needed for Danny. :) --TeckWiz Contribs@(Lets go Yankees!) 01:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support - Danny cares, he really gives a crap, and he knows what he is doing. While some of us admins back off from certain controversial situations, Danny with his berserker helmet and his battle axe charged onto the battlefield of issues and stabbed them in the crotch. As Wikimedia Officer he had to be on the phone with people (some acting rather naughty) and Danny dealt with them. Even while having a Foundation job, he fought spam (by setting it on fire), and, get this, IMPROVED ARTICLES. He also donated cash-money towards the cause of improving Misplaced Pages through his contests and, after three billion years of being a Wikipedian, he still cares. If you have a problem, he will be able to deal with it, battle axe in right hand, giant shield in left, and he will proceed to stab it in the crotch. He will definitely be a competant admin. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 01:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. RfA is about trust and Danny is certainly trustworthy. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 01:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support for a second I wondered: "is this the Danny?" - Anas 01:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Yes, I know it's surprising. — Malcolm 01:34, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
As I stated in the talk page, I would consider this unnecessary. However, if you plan on breaking Phaedriel's record, be my guest :-) Always remembering that adminship is not a prize, Danny has been very respectful in his position at the office, and unless someone is able to point to a serious abuse, I must support him. -- ReyBrujo 01:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)Changing to Neutral. -- ReyBrujo 20:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support - Well, it is Danny. What's not to trust. User has shown sufficient knowledge, and prior excellent use of his tools. --theblueflamingo 01:42, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support.--ragesoss 01:44, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Quite simply, Danny is an integral part of Misplaced Pages. --Slowking Man 01:44, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Very much. — Dan | talk 01:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Support - It is good to see someone who sets a continual example of the right way to approach WikiPedia!--Lmcelhiney 01:49, 3 April 2007 (UTC) Switch to Neutral--Lmcelhiney 01:14, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Most qualified candidate ever.--§hanel 01:50, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- (edit conflicted twice) Support - Completely without question. This is one of Misplaced Pages's most dedicated editors, and we will benefit greatly from him being a sysop (again) --Michael Billington (talk) 01:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Edit-conflicted support, obviously. My one very small gripe is I didn't like the way you jumped in and closed this debacle after not previously being that involved in RfA, if I remember correctly. But it's really not too big of a deal, especially now... Grandmasterka 01:53, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support, a proven track record demonstrating some of the best qualities in a Wikipedian. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 01:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support Lkinkade 01:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Danny's enthusiasm for the work we do here is endless, contagious, and inspiring. --Robth 02:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Belated April Fools' oppose. Because you deserve it. – Chacor 02:02, 3 April 2007 (UTC) (Yes, this is meant to be a support.)
- Support. When I saw this go up I knew I'd have to get my support in quick before the pile-on made additional supports look silly. I wanted to throw out a little fun trivial, as all know.. Danny is a high edit count user... we have quite a few people with high counts, but for most of them a substantial portion of their edits are semi-automated vandalism reverts. Not Danny, only 1.5% of his edits are obvious reverts. For comparison, User:SimonP is 6.7% obvious reverts... and many of the users with 20K plus edits are in the 50% range. --Gmaxwell 02:10, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. · j e r s y k o talk · 02:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support See discussion above. ~~ Atshields0
- Support per all the comments everyone else has made. Captain panda In vino veritas 02:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support per above. bibliomaniac15 02:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Of course. John Reaves (talk) 02:31, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Cleared for Adminship This one's a no-brainer. —Pilotguy cleared for takeoff 02:34, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Known sockpuppet (ab)user ;) quod erat supportum. — Feezo (Talk) 02:41, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support as PilotGuy said, a no brainer.↔NMajdan•talk 02:44, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Support. I've not always seen eye to eye with Danny. He once even called me a vandal in a copyright dispute (before later apologizing and admitting I was right). I am among the small minority of people who is somewhat glad to see him step down from the right hand of God, and relinquish his OFFICE role. But despite any qualms I might have had about his performance in that role, I certainly believe he means well, and fully endorse giving him back the admin bit. He is a value to the project and this is no big deal. Dragons flight 02:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)- I'm withdrawing my support while I take more time to consider the issues raised in opposition. Dragons flight 16:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Michael 03:09, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- חג שמח. El_C 03:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. It is hard to find people who are more qualified. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support Just don't put salt in your eyes.-Ravedave 03:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support - if we can't trust Danny after all that he's done in the past few years, then it'd be hard to trust anyone. Tony Fox (arf!) 03:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- I'm tempted to oppose, because Danny could just have asked any bureaucrat to get his bits back, but meh. There isn't much to say here, as your outstanding contributions speak for themselves. Support. Titoxd 03:35, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Support. I haven't interacted directly with Danny, but I've seen his work, and seen how much good he has done for this project. I have absolutely no doubt he will use the tools wisely (as in the past) and will be a great benefit again as an admin. ···日本穣 03:53, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Support Danny is not the most communicative person in the world, and wasn't the best person to implement WP:OFFICE in its early days. However, despite my disagreements with his methods in the past, trusting him with adminship really is a "no-brainer."Xoloz 03:55, 3 April 2007 (UTC) (changed to oppose.)
- I don't think there was any reason for him to need to step down to do this in the first place. Support, of course. Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 04:00, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support per Mindspillage. Quite possibly the ultimate candidate given his previous work for the Foundation and on Misplaced Pages. --Coredesat 04:16, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Obvious Support Good fellow who was sorely missed with his not being a sysop for the past week or so, hehe gaillimh 04:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. I have worked with Danny on a lot of issues related to Misplaced Pages and copyright, I found his insight and guidance to be the best I have ever seen on Misplaced Pages. I value his judgement, I would love for him to have adminship. User:Zscout370 04:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Seems dedicated to the project and trustworthy. --Mus Musculus 04:49, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. I've historically only voted for candidates with at least 60 months of expirience and 35,000 edits. Danny gives me a chance to WP:IAR, as I'll vote support, even though his edit count is still a couple thousand short of my standards. Smmurphy 06:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Obvious, experienced choice. - Denny 06:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Absolutely. Khoikhoi 06:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Lakers 06:56, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, as he voluntarily relinquished sysop powers, couldn't he just ask a bureaucrat or the arbcom nicely? There is significant precedent, and there is no need to go through all of this (aside from the obvious ego-boost, popularity contest, reaffirmation thing for the candidate). In lieu, perfunctory support, but it would really save the community a fair amount of trouble to just bypass this whole process. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 08:10, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Support per Cyde's nom. —KNcyu38 (talk • contribs) 08:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC)Changing to abstention from voting. —KNcyu38 (talk • contribs) 10:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)- Changing to oppose. —KNcyu38 (talk • contribs) 09:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support — this nomination is unnecessary. Michaelas10 09:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. I am especially pleased with the answer to Q3. It is one of the most realistic answers I have seen to the question. I would have preferred to see something a little more substantial in answer to Q2, though I understand the response. Vassyana 09:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support, Apple••w••o••r••m•• 10:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support, and appreciate what is more than just a gesture - submitting to review and asking for opinions. Shenme 10:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- dannyisme. — Nearly Headless Nick 10:48, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support One of the most experienced editors on here, who has helped shape Misplaced Pages to what it has become. As well as being an article writer – check his user page – his experience as an admin, and bureaucrat clearly shows he is more than capable of handling the admin tools. I trust him totally. In other words, I don't think Misplaced Pages is right without Danny as an admin. Best of luck! Majorly (o rly?) 10:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Support. As a former employee he definitely knows what he is doing. -Mschel 11:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support- Yeah, I don't see why not. Retiono Virginian 11:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support - Of course! Fantastic user on all fronts. I don't really understand why he has to go through all this, but full marks to him for being willing to do so. Deb 11:42, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support
thought he already was one...;) Mangojuice 11:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC) - Support, the very willingness to voluntarily stand for community approval shows he deserves to get it. Seraphimblade 12:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- As if there were any sensible option other than support. Kelly Martin (talk) 12:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I'd support him twice if I could. >Radiant< 12:34, 3 April 2007 (UTC)Struck. There is more to this than I thought, and I need to think on this. >Radiant< 10:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support as self. Bastique 12:39, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Mackensen (talk) 12:53, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support, Tom Harrison 13:09, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support Proved himself countless times. KatalavenoC 13:22, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support Good edior, got nomintated, must be good. Twenty Years 13:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support Arfan 14:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support This person has been an admin for a long while without issues, this sort of reconfirmation seems unnecessary. We should not be making long standing admins take an RfA regardless of how they got their bit. This user may have made a few mistakes, but find one admin who has been at it for over a year who hasn't. InBC 14:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support; I've had nothing but positive interaction with Danny, both here and on other projects. --Spangineer (háblame) 14:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Good contributor. utcursch | talk 14:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support - eminently qualified. Moreschi 14:22, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support - Excellent editor. -- FayssalF - 14:35, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support and urge speedy promote I asked Danny's advice on a BLP issue last weak and was kinda horrified he couldn't read deleted edits. Absurd that we have to do this, but nevermind.--Doc 15:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Hell yes.(changed to oppose)I have to agree with the opposers/neutral-er below, Danny, when I say that your answers to the questions are quite weak. However, you've done a great job in the past, and I know you'll do a great job in the future. -- Kicking222 15:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support and a nice cup of tea. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 15:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support I see no reason to oppose this user. Wooyi 15:34, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Duh. Veesicle (Talk) (Contribs) 16:00, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support duh.-- danntm C 16:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support --lightdarkness 16:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support --A. B. 16:36, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support, definitely. --JoanneB 17:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Support.Snowolf CON - 12:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)- Switched to Oppose per opposers' motivation. Snowolf CON - 06:21, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Though I am left mystified as to what Danny will actually do with his re-new-found adminship, I trust him enough not to screw up and he may as well have it since, when he does elect to use it, he could at least clear a few backlogs. :-) --Iamunknown 18:09, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Support, although I'm not entirely sure why he has to go through RFA again. Oh well. PTO 18:11, 3 April 2007 (UTC)Switched to oppose 00:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)Support per everyone else. Acalamari 18:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)Changing to neutral. Acalamari 17:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Enough of this silliness, someone promote now please (come on, its the most obvious rfa in ages) -- Tawker 18:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- To be fair, there are some reasonable opposition and neutral comments that Danny should bear in mind for the future. Majorly (o rly?) 21:34, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support per above. feydey 19:31, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- D. Recorder 19:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support Dina 19:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support --Agεθ020 (ΔT • ФC) 20:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support Davewild 21:15, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support, of course. --Rory096 21:47, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support, and on to WP:100! If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 21:50, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support -- Nick 21:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Rarely have I ever met anyone who better understands the core mission of our project, and always has its best interests in mind. Antandrus (talk) 22:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Edit conflict Pile-on support reconfirming admin status here. (aeropagitica) 22:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Good chap. --Tony Sidaway 22:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Issues at the office should not have any bearing on his status as an admin, and I'd ask a bureaucrat, or have Danny ask a bureaucrat, to close this and instead promote him given the precedent of former, non-controversial admins being allowed to re-admin without community vote. Despite the opposition below, I believe that my comment still holds merit; the opposition has nothing to do with his de-adminship, it has to do with not liking unrelated actions. Ral315 » 22:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support <Scratches head> I could've sworn this user is already an admin. ;) -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. 22:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Perhaps I should say further that i find this reaffirmation a cleansing and useful thing, hopefully engendering thought and contemplation in both Danny, other admins and those who have been his most vocal detractors and defenders. Speaking out can be refreshing, if conducted in good faith. -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. 19:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support - A prime asset to the project.Bakaman 23:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support answers to questions are a little perfunctory for the average RfA candidate, but seeing as this isn't the average RfA candidate... pretty obvious support, if we've trusted him at OFFICE there's no reason why we can't trust him with 'delete', 'protect', 'block' and 'rollback'... – Riana 01:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support--MONGO 02:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Drag him back kicking and screaming if need be. DS 02:51, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. I disagree with some of his deletions, but the other arguments are empty. Also, I think we need more people with Danny's sort of honesty. — CharlotteWebb 03:18, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support - No reason not to. --WinHunter 03:32, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support I trust him.--cj | talk 05:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, This makes this process a formailty. BuickCenturyDriver (Honk, contribs, odometer) 08:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Full support In response to the rapid blocking of new users, Spammmer have an MO just like vandals. If we can block vandals for one or two edits (I know a lot of admins do this) if it fits a known vandalism pattern. Those involved anti-spam do the same thing. we see a lot of CIO and just pain spammers that wont listen to us or policy. Knowing these patterns we tend to act differntly if the case follows that of a spammer and not of a good user. (we also see countless companies promoting themselves on wikipedia also). Betacommand 13:13, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support, obviously... Yonatan 15:13, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Danny is already familiar with the tools, and has already demonstrated considerable aplomb at using them. Give him his mop back! - jredmond 16:51, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Despite all the words on the page, the nomination statement sums up most of what needs to be said. I find several of the oppose rationales to be frivolous; others, however, have more substance, and I trust the candidate to recognize that his new status will be that of "one of 1000 administrators" and that certain peremptory actions that might have been appropriate in his former role would no longer be in order today. Newyorkbrad 17:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support I don't understand people who think that Danny can't be trusted unless he explains why he resigned in full detail. That was his personal choice and there is no reason to believe that he did so under circumstances that should have us questioning his commitment or indicating a potentially malevolent admin. Like most, I'm curious about it and would love to hear full disclosure on the issue but asking him in this context seems like using unfair leverage. As for edit summaries, well he says he'll use the force edit summary option and that's fine with me. Why waste the opportunity to give admin status to someone with such experience of Misplaced Pages? Pascal.Tesson 17:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Hemmingsen 17:42, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support Regardless of oppose number 10, where it is stated He also has a history of reverting another admin without explanation . He deleted the article after I forgot to come back and delete it based on the correct policy. What he did was not "reverting another admin". I think that danny can be trusted. We should remember that adminship is not a big deal.. —— Eagle101 18:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. I find most (not all) of the Oppose arguments ridiculous. Boils down to: can he be trusted with admin tools? Unequivocally, yes. -- LeCour 20:13, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Already throught he was an admin Support - Yes, I know the story.... --After Midnight 20:14, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support - a very good editor, an experienced one, a dedicated one. JoeSmack 20:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. My pleasure. Danny's an experienced editor and admin who knows the project inside out. SlimVirgin 20:39, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Obvious, in my opinion. Bucketsofg 20:42, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Definitely an obvious candidate. -- ChrisO 21:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Proud to Support! ++Lar: t/c 22:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support, and before this RfA is over, they will know that even a god-king can bleed. Will 23:05, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- support a good wikipedian in good standing. -- drini 01:14, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. We are behind you our leader!--yidi 02:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Immense experience and dedication to this project, negatives are minor. - Merzbow 03:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support per nom. We need you back, Danny! V60 03:26, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support - I considered a protest oppose per Amarkov. Really, this process is unnecessary - according to the nomination, Danny was confirmed by an RFA four years ago and he voluntarily resigned under non-controversial circumstances, so his admin bit should be able to be restored on request. There's no reason for this process. --BigDT 03:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support - (of course!), and I agree it's unnecessary, but if this is the way we're playing it, give it back to him. Georgewilliamherbert 03:57, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support per answers to questions 4 - 7. Rockpocket 04:53, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Pcb21 Pete 09:27, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support - After initially seeming likely to set new records for overwhelming support this nom is now trending fail. In reference to the oppose reasons; I find Danny's standing for RFA despite not having to a very good thing, his answers to the questions were short but direct - and it isn't like I can't tell who Danny is without more info, I'm curious about his reasons for stepping down but see no reason I must have that information, and while I strongly agree that clear edit summaries are important to explain actions I understand a failure to adapt to them and accept his intent to do so going forward. I have a bigger problem with the severity of many actions Danny has taken in the past (e.g. a month long block with little/no warning) but in most cases not the 'general premise' behind them. For instance, spam is bad, most spammers won't stop just because we ask them to, but we should try to just talk them down first - because the extra effort required is more than offset by the benefits of the very few who DO 'get it' after discussion. I'd like to see Danny do some things differently, but he has been a great contributor and I don't see any reason to assume that he won't be willing to take these issues into account. --CBD 12:30, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- coming-out-of-retirement-from-process-matters-support. Danny has dealt with a very high number of remarkably difficult situations on behalf of the project. Anyone with the extent of his contributions will have many failings, real or apparent, exposed. We should not expect admins to be perfect, nor should we expect them to be more perfect the more committed they are. Regards, The Land 12:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Easy one. —Wknight94 (talk) 13:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support - employee or non-employee, Danny's wealth of experience is invaluable to us. He discreetly dealt with more tricky situations in a week than most other admins are faced with during their entire adminship. - Mark 13:05, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support His past history has demonstrated to me that he excercises good judgement and is worthy of a renewal of the trust wikipedia places in its admins. -- Avi 14:29, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Someone who's been around the project as long as Danny has, and who has the track record that he has, definitely has the best interests of the encyclopedia in mind. This is "requests for adminship", not "nominations for sainthood". --Elkman 14:49, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Thatcher131 15:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. I like the reasoning behind the answers. MURGH 16:12, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. seems a no-brainer to me. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 16:36, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support - is there really a question? I'm all for it. Danny will definitely not explode Misplaced Pages with administrator tools. The only reason Danny lost admin/crat priveleges in the first place was a voluntary resignation - not a scandal, not some kind of awful antitrust revelation, but a voluntary "I quit the Foundation, so I'll avoid a conflict of interest and resign adminship." Jimbo thought he was good enough once, and Danny hasn't done anything to damage his reputation since. I trust Jimbo's judgement, and the ethical integrity of this candidate. Give him back the big red buttons. ♠PMC♠ 19:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- support. I can't think of a better candidate. -- Cat 20:36, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Of course Danny is perfectly competent and qualified to work as an administrator. Some of the objections below are just incomprehensible and have no bearing on the matter being discussed; I hope people have the sense to weight them as such. Shimgray | talk | 20:46, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Per the immediately preceeding support. – Steel 21:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support - if this one fails, it's proof that RFA is so broken it will need to be abolished immmediately - David Gerard 22:39, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- I'd support that. Based on the activity thus far I suspect I'd support it without the conditional. --Gmaxwell
- Support. We know Danny, he errs on the side of caution. Easy call. The oppose !votes? Well-meaning but misguided, in my view. Danny's first instinct is reliably and repeaably to protect the project. In the Olden Days peopel were unwilling to challenge him. Why? He seems like a reaosnable guy, his responses to me have always been fair. The All-Highest clearly trusts him, most of the people I know and trust, trust Danny. Let's not get bogged down in past issues tied to Foundation and office actions, take the man at face value. Guy (Help!) 22:58, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support The whole of Wikimedias legal liability was placed in his hands, and we were fine, a mop isn't that much harder. -M -00:19, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Without any hesitation. Danny has done an enormous ammount of good for Misplaced Pages, not to mention me personally, and I regret that the community and myself are not willing and able to reward him and encourage future good work to the degree necessary. I will, however, support this nomination wholeheartedly to do as much as I can. Thanks, Danny (this is Sean Black, by the way, heh).--KR | T 00:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. I was hesitant at first, but answers to the additional questions have convinced me. Dorange 00:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support, boundless experience combined with a willingness to do what needs doing. --Stormie 01:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. I do not see a reason why not. Despite the oppose voters' comments, I do not see Danny misuing the admin tools. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 01:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. A no-brainer. older ≠ wiser 01:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support Is the project better off with him or without him? Duh. Also, because he shows no respect for the RfA process - definitely a clueful candidate. Stevage 01:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support — because adminship is no big deal and there is no reason not to; but primarily because I am rendered fanatically convinced by all the "oppose" comments below ➥the Epopt 01:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Full Support Danny has been here long before most administrators, oversights, bureucrats, checkusers, and arbitrators have even heard of Misplaced Pages. He built the place. And, being a Steward, he could make himself a sysop here.--U.S.A.U.S.A.U.S.A. (talk • contribs) 02:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, he's not a Steward, according to the link you provided. -- PKtm 03:05, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. His answers, particularly to the question by User:Xiner, show a realism and pragmatism that is no longer very common in the community. On multiple projects (particularly here and on the English Wikisource, where he is still an elected administrator) he has performed admirably as an administrator and as a member of the community. He has never abused his access, and has always been willing to resolve the situations that nobody else wanted to touch because of the unpopularity of any decision.
I don't see what else we could seriously want in an administrator. I'm sure he could improve in some areas—such as edit summary usage—but those are improvements as an editor, not an administrator. Support wholeheartedly. Pathoschild 04:33:04, 06 April 2007 (UTC) - Support a productive, mature, and trustworthy long-term contributor whose answers reflect a degree of realism and flexibility not found among much of the opposition. Opabinia regalis 05:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support Danny has demonstrated that he can handle the tools. I really don't see this being such a huge big deal. alphachimp 05:07, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support Knows what he's doing, extensive experience. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 05:37, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support Everything worked pretty well when he was an admin. Committed, experienced user. Oppose voters unconvincing and many show a startling lack of understanding of WP:OFFICE, WP:OTRS, and WP:BLP. —Centrx→talk • 05:53, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support, absolutely. --Golbez 06:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Kusma (talk) 06:56, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support Artaxiad 07:00, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support, for something that was once no big deal. Whether I trust Danny to know when an article needs to be deleted or a user blocked has nothing to do with policy; rather, I trust Danny's experience, which spans more facets of Misplaced Pages than most contributors even realize exist, and more time than most of us can claim. The question is whether he's trustworthy to help clean up and maintain the encyclopedia; the answer seems self-evident. -- phoebe/(talk) 07:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support, the answer to question 10, which I think is spot on, 10 convinced me Danny should be an admin (again) .FelisLeo 08:37, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. We can ill-afford to lose his experience as an admin. Strong support. --Bduke 08:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Danny is a vital member of the community and a longtime overall great contributor to the project. --Merovingian ※ Talk 09:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support Trusted, valuable member of the community. --rogerd 10:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support , naturally. Secretlondon 11:55, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support per Newyorkbrad, and per fuller answer to my optional question posted today on my talk page. ElinorD (talk) 12:05, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. I can't say I am up to speed with the drama being played out below, but I don't see any huge red flags, especially for someone who has demonstrated they won't run amok with the tools. Sandstein 12:14, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support - don't see a real good reason to oppose, and I trust him with the mop and bucket. Johnleemk | Talk 12:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. I fully understand his reasons for resignation first and seeking an explicit re-support from the community and completely support his approach. --AlisonW 13:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support despite evidence of biting and other flaws. Danny = WP. WP = Danny. There's nothing more to say. Give him the old timer's latitude he's earned. - NYC JD (interrogatories) 14:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support Excellent person to work with, both on and off wiki. Danny knows what he's doing, and that's what really counts. Shadow1 (talk) 14:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support per, well, everyone. Coemgenus 14:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- SupportI've no doubt Danny has the best interests of Misplaced Pages at heart, and the wisdom to use these tools to that end. --InkSplotch 15:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Jayjg 15:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support - I appreciate his honesty in answering the questions posed here, and trust he has the judgment to use the tools wisely. --Versageek 15:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support - Hasn't run screaming despite the nutjobs attacking him continuously, shows fortitude beyond the endurance of most humans. Stan 15:37, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support per above. —Moondyne 15:40, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support, trust has long been well established. --MPerel 16:10, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support Definitely. --Mbimmler 16:29, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Oppose
Oppose.I am very well aware of the immense amount of good work Danny has done for the project, both as an editor and in his position at WP:OFFICE. I did not agree with some of his promotions as a bureaucrat, but those were not big things and not relevant now. I regretfully have to oppose however per Danny's low usage of edit summaries, currently at 25% for major edits and 49% for minor edits. Yes I know that more edit summaries don't make a better admin, and I am fully aware that Danny has been a very busy guy at WP:OFFICE. However, the fact stands that edit summaries help others understand what you changed. Edit summaries are way of showing curtsey to other editors and a sign that you care about their time no less than about your own time. Danny will pass with or without my vote, and he fully deserves that. However, hereby I would like to ask Danny to use more edit summaries when he contributes. I will gladly remove my vote should Danny mention that he will try that, and/or if he changes his preferences so that he is warned when an edit is submitted without a summary. Thank you. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:06, 3 April 2007 (UTC)- When I started editing, very few people ever filled in edit summaries, and I admit, I never got into the habit. I should have. I try to, but I often forget. On the other hand, I was just told that there is a box I can check in the preferences that will make me fill in the summaries. I will check that to help me remember. Danny 03:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. I switched to support. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- I hate to jump in down here, but doesn't 25% of 26000 equal six thousand five hundred summarized edits? Atshields0 03:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- The tool only check the last 150 major and minor edits, not all. --TeckWiz Contribs@(Lets go Yankees!) 03:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- I hate to jump in down here, but doesn't 25% of 26000 equal six thousand five hundred summarized edits? Atshields0 03:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. I switched to support. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- When I started editing, very few people ever filled in edit summaries, and I admit, I never got into the habit. I should have. I try to, but I often forget. On the other hand, I was just told that there is a box I can check in the preferences that will make me fill in the summaries. I will check that to help me remember. Danny 03:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Protest oppose. This is a waste of time, and you show that you knew that with your non sequitur answers. You could at least pretend that there is any chance this will fail... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amarkov (talk • contribs)
- Could you please be a bit more specific about your reasons for opposing? - Mark 04:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not entirely sure what you're asking. -Amarkov moo! 04:22, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- It is not a waste of time. Danny had a lot of clout as the right hand of Jimbo and bureaucrat. And as mentioned in the nomination, such a hard job was not without controversies. Danny resigned, for his own reasons, and then wanted to see if he still had the community trust to be an admin. I believe Danny did the right thing to resign his adminship and bureaucratship together with his job at WP:OFFICE. You don't want some people to later offend you by saying that your current powers are leftover from better times or other unfair and obnoxious comments people are quite good at coming up with. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 04:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Then he should come up with better answers. The first answer is the only one that even fully addresses the question. Respect is the only reason this isn't a real oppose. -Amarkov moo! 05:02, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- You have an extraordinarily large corpus of work to draw from. I don't think Danny needs to spell out that he's a good editor (question 2) or that he's been in thousands of disputes (question 3), considering the fact that engaging in disputes was pretty much his job at WMF. YMMV, of course. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 06:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Years of work, moving 2000 miles, 26000 main page edits, and you're voting against him for adminship because you thought his response to nomination was "non sequitur"? Your criteria for admin are tough. I hope you're able to meet them yourself some day when you're old enough to drive. Atshields0 10:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- PLease keep this civil and respect the right of other editors to express their opinions on an RfA. Viridae 10:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- I am starting to get worried... Atshields0 comment here, Deskana's comment in the talk page... seems as, suddenly, high edit count is all that matters to justify "editing capabilities," when most are really picky with "common" candidates... -- ReyBrujo 12:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Eh, what I took away from Atshields0 was that Danny has done so *much* (as evidenced by the main namespace edits, among other things) that something more than a hand-waving claim of "non sequitur" responses should be provided for the oppose. I thought Danny's replies were pretty good. --Gmaxwell 13:15, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Years of work, moving 2000 miles, 26000 main page edits, and you're voting against him for adminship because you thought his response to nomination was "non sequitur"? Your criteria for admin are tough. I hope you're able to meet them yourself some day when you're old enough to drive. Atshields0 10:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- You have an extraordinarily large corpus of work to draw from. I don't think Danny needs to spell out that he's a good editor (question 2) or that he's been in thousands of disputes (question 3), considering the fact that engaging in disputes was pretty much his job at WMF. YMMV, of course. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 06:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Then he should come up with better answers. The first answer is the only one that even fully addresses the question. Respect is the only reason this isn't a real oppose. -Amarkov moo! 05:02, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- It is not a waste of time. Danny had a lot of clout as the right hand of Jimbo and bureaucrat. And as mentioned in the nomination, such a hard job was not without controversies. Danny resigned, for his own reasons, and then wanted to see if he still had the community trust to be an admin. I believe Danny did the right thing to resign his adminship and bureaucratship together with his job at WP:OFFICE. You don't want some people to later offend you by saying that your current powers are leftover from better times or other unfair and obnoxious comments people are quite good at coming up with. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 04:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not entirely sure what you're asking. -Amarkov moo! 04:22, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Could you please be a bit more specific about your reasons for opposing? - Mark 04:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose. I will agree with that with Danny's work at WP:OFFICE some controversy is unavoidable. However I feel that there are a number of situations where Danny plunged right into controversial and unilateral actions, and where the controversy was not related to OFFICE and were perfectly avoidable. His actions over Israel News Agency, where he made a second unilateral deletion after it had been legitimately undeleted following a full, and long DRV discussion constitutes wheel-warring in my opinion (and the deletion summary "this is tiresome" is just useless). In related matters, although that is a bureaucrat decision, he promoted Sean Black's adminship with considerably less than normal support, ignoring the opposers and substituting his own judgment for the consensus requirement. He supported Essjay for bureaucratship and decided to promote himself when the consensus was in the "discretion" range. I see that this RFA is passing anyway, but I feel that there are enough questionable actions, and ignorance of consensus and discussion, made with the admin tools which cannot be excused with OFFICE duties. Sjakkalle (Check!) 06:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Regarding the Israel News Agency: there was significant offline wrangling over that that you were not privy to. If you knew what actually happened, you wouldn't be faulting Danny over this one. Coming from someone who knows a bit more about that situation, I'd say that he did an extremely good job of it. --Cyde Weys 12:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- An important part of adminship is communication, and if there was significant offline wrangling over it, there should have been some information to the community as to why the results of two DRVs and two AFDs were set aside with apparently no discussion. Saying, "I am deleting this, I have reasons for this which you don't know of, please trust me" just does not cut it for me. It raises the level confusion, being done by a person in the position Danny had, even more so (what is going on here? Why is this suddenly deleted?). That an eventual third AFD did result in the article being deleted in an open and transparent manner illustrates that there was no need for short-circuiting the discussion here. It could have simply been nominated with a reason ("No sources" is pretty compelling), and it would probably be gone in a week without the confusion. For the record, I am not opposing because I want to be mean, or because I think Danny is a bad person (he is clearly a very dedicated contributor), it is because of my concerns over apparent lack of respect for consensus, unilateralism, and lack of communication when doing so. Danny was perfectly within his rights to not relenquish his adminship, and it would clearly have been justified for him to simply request return of sysop tools by simply asking a bureaucrat. When he did choose to ask for input at RFA, a very admirable decision, then he did accept the possibility of some opposition, right? Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Dude, your ignorance is hanging out the back of your pants. "I am deleting this, I have reasons for this which you don't know of, please trust me" is the whole point of WP:OFFICE and if you haven't grasped that, you need to read it again, carefully. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 15:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Except even before the first deletion OFFICE indicated that Danny would use his alternate Dannyisme account for office actions, but he neither used that account nor (please correct me if I'm wrong) indicated anywhere that the deletions were office actions. If any other regular sysop did this, it would be a big issue. But if Danny isn't clear about when he's acting in an OFFICE capacity, then he's acting as a regular (rash) sysop or he isn't communicating.--Chaser - T 16:00, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Sjakkalle, there is a policy on the English Misplaced Pages, one of our oldest and most important ones, which you have completely forgotten. It's the "assume good faith" policy. That policy says that if Danny tells you that an article has to be deleted for reasons that he cannot share with you, you are to assume that Danny is acting in good faith. Please reacquaint yourself with this highly important policy, and its unstated corollary: "You should not expect to be consulted on every decision." Kelly Martin (talk) 15:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- AGF is not meant to quash administrative oversight. Danny, assuming good faith himself, should also have replied more often to questions regarding his actions. An "Oops, sorry that I used the wrong account... this is an OFFICE issue, should have used Dannyisme" would have been sufficient. I think your point, Ms. Martin, is not well-thought out. Xoloz 21:36, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Again, I am not opposing due to actions made due to WP:OFFICE. I realize that actions there occasionally need to be done without too much attention being given, privacy issues for instance. But the points I am concerned about are unrelated to OFFICE. Actions where OFFICE was not an issue have still been carried out rashly, and I think better communication is a key before I can entrust Danny with sysop tools. Regarding AGF, I have no doubt that Danny had the best of intentions when he did what he did, but the actions still concern me. Good faith or not. Sjakkalle (Check!) 06:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think it's as easy to tell which of his actions had to do with his work for the office and which didn't as you seem to think. Mak (talk) 06:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Dude, how much easier it would have been if he'd felt it was worth bothering to tell the little people. Grace Note 00:29, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think it's as easy to tell which of his actions had to do with his work for the office and which didn't as you seem to think. Mak (talk) 06:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Again, I am not opposing due to actions made due to WP:OFFICE. I realize that actions there occasionally need to be done without too much attention being given, privacy issues for instance. But the points I am concerned about are unrelated to OFFICE. Actions where OFFICE was not an issue have still been carried out rashly, and I think better communication is a key before I can entrust Danny with sysop tools. Regarding AGF, I have no doubt that Danny had the best of intentions when he did what he did, but the actions still concern me. Good faith or not. Sjakkalle (Check!) 06:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- AGF is not meant to quash administrative oversight. Danny, assuming good faith himself, should also have replied more often to questions regarding his actions. An "Oops, sorry that I used the wrong account... this is an OFFICE issue, should have used Dannyisme" would have been sufficient. I think your point, Ms. Martin, is not well-thought out. Xoloz 21:36, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Dude, your ignorance is hanging out the back of your pants. "I am deleting this, I have reasons for this which you don't know of, please trust me" is the whole point of WP:OFFICE and if you haven't grasped that, you need to read it again, carefully. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 15:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- An important part of adminship is communication, and if there was significant offline wrangling over it, there should have been some information to the community as to why the results of two DRVs and two AFDs were set aside with apparently no discussion. Saying, "I am deleting this, I have reasons for this which you don't know of, please trust me" just does not cut it for me. It raises the level confusion, being done by a person in the position Danny had, even more so (what is going on here? Why is this suddenly deleted?). That an eventual third AFD did result in the article being deleted in an open and transparent manner illustrates that there was no need for short-circuiting the discussion here. It could have simply been nominated with a reason ("No sources" is pretty compelling), and it would probably be gone in a week without the confusion. For the record, I am not opposing because I want to be mean, or because I think Danny is a bad person (he is clearly a very dedicated contributor), it is because of my concerns over apparent lack of respect for consensus, unilateralism, and lack of communication when doing so. Danny was perfectly within his rights to not relenquish his adminship, and it would clearly have been justified for him to simply request return of sysop tools by simply asking a bureaucrat. When he did choose to ask for input at RFA, a very admirable decision, then he did accept the possibility of some opposition, right? Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Regarding the Israel News Agency: there was significant offline wrangling over that that you were not privy to. If you knew what actually happened, you wouldn't be faulting Danny over this one. Coming from someone who knows a bit more about that situation, I'd say that he did an extremely good job of it. --Cyde Weys 12:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose, I can't help thinking that someone who resigned his adminship last month when he didn't need to does not have the best interest of the project at heart. I say wait a few months and try again. EnsRedShirt 17:39, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- I hope I'm not speaking out of turn, but I believe he resigned because he had never actually gone through an RfA before and had received his position as an artifact of working for the Wikimedia Foundation. Upon resigning from there, I believe he felt that it would be improper to keep the bit without requesting community input, hence this RfA. It seems to show a respect for the community and an effort to avoid any appearance of impropriety. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 18:53, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- From the above nomination:"Danny was first directly appointed to the role of admin by Jimbo, and then later, in 2003, his adminship was confirmed by RFa election. " He Has been through an RfA in the past, and should know better than most that to resign then come back a few weeks later should question his commitment to the project. EnsRedShirt 00:22, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Question his commitment to the project? How many jobs have you left for Misplaced Pages Ens? How many people did you convince to donate? How many years did you get yelled at on the phone? How many death threats did you have to deal with? How many contracts did you have to push for? "Question his commitment to the project". Amazing. I need to stop reading this page.
- FYI Danny decided to run for the board and wanted to climb the ladder from scratch just like everyone else, just as it said in his resignation letter. Try reading up on what's happening before voting against someone. Atshields0 11:59, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- From the above nomination:"Danny was first directly appointed to the role of admin by Jimbo, and then later, in 2003, his adminship was confirmed by RFa election. " He Has been through an RfA in the past, and should know better than most that to resign then come back a few weeks later should question his commitment to the project. EnsRedShirt 00:22, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Exceptionally Weak Oppose, While Your a very dedicated Wikipedian and your almost 5 years of excellant contributions and work for the foundation make me a tad bit rather reluctant to oppose, Your leniency With Mike Garcia (banned again) a.k.a Johnny the Vandal and the role you played in getting him unbanned back in August 2004 and his subsequent years of deception and abusive sockpuppetry turns me away into disappointment. --Tom Riddle 19:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)- This user's third edit, the other two being in 15th June 2006. Read into that what you will. --Deskana (ya rly) 19:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Let's leave at this: he's in a position to know. Mackensen (talk) 02:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- This user's third edit, the other two being in 15th June 2006. Read into that what you will. --Deskana (ya rly) 19:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- I hope I'm not speaking out of turn, but I believe he resigned because he had never actually gone through an RfA before and had received his position as an artifact of working for the Wikimedia Foundation. Upon resigning from there, I believe he felt that it would be improper to keep the bit without requesting community input, hence this RfA. It seems to show a respect for the community and an effort to avoid any appearance of impropriety. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 18:53, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose appears to brush off criticism, I tended to disagree with his decision processes on WP:OFFICE, his answers to the first few questions above reads to me sorta like "I'm danny I dont really need to go through this process". Sorry but I must oppose. ALKIVAR™ ☢ 20:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Changed to Oppose Extensive record of blocking newcomers for a month without so much of a warning for fairly innocuous additions (Creating an article on the CIO Europe of HSBC and linking to it from the HSBC article doesn't strike me as a bad faith effort, even if the article turned out to be a copyvio), various unacceptable edit summaries and general a WP:BITE attitude. ~ trialsanderrors 22:16, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- No change after response to Q5. We're all shaped by the environment we work in, and if Danny's previous job leads to a "Circle the wagons we're surrounded by enemies" mindset as he plainly admits that can only work to the detriment of the project. Maybe two or three months working in the trenches might be beneficial. ~ trialsanderrors 07:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Working in the trenches? Yes, while you were slaving away in your underwear generating terabytes of text on discussion pages, Danny was busy sipping champagne and cavorting about with European royalty at the St. Pete office. He could never possibly understand the horror of having a page he wrote on the plight of the blue power ranger deleted. "Trenches". Excellent choice of words, Oh noble soldier of Misplaced Pages. Atshields0 04:44, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- This is inappropriate sarcasm and is not helpful. Regardless of what we think of Danny's nomination let's keep the discussion civil, please. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 04:48, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Civility isn't telling a man that devoted the last few years of his personal and professional life that he needs to "spend some time in the trenches". Ridiculous statements require ridiculous responses. Atshields0 05:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- This is inappropriate sarcasm and is not helpful. Regardless of what we think of Danny's nomination let's keep the discussion civil, please. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 04:48, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Working in the trenches? Yes, while you were slaving away in your underwear generating terabytes of text on discussion pages, Danny was busy sipping champagne and cavorting about with European royalty at the St. Pete office. He could never possibly understand the horror of having a page he wrote on the plight of the blue power ranger deleted. "Trenches". Excellent choice of words, Oh noble soldier of Misplaced Pages. Atshields0 04:44, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- No change after response to Q5. We're all shaped by the environment we work in, and if Danny's previous job leads to a "Circle the wagons we're surrounded by enemies" mindset as he plainly admits that can only work to the detriment of the project. Maybe two or three months working in the trenches might be beneficial. ~ trialsanderrors 07:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Strong oppose per above reasons. Naming Danny as an admin is anything but a supposedly "obvious decision" in my view. If it weren't for lamentable internal WP politics (i.e., people not wanting to speak up because of reprisals), this candidate would be seeing tons of opposition due to his behavior and demeanor in the past. -- PKtm 23:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Excuse me if I'm being naive but I can't imagine any wikipeda-related reprisals that anyone would actually fear. After all, what's the worst that's going to happen to anyone opposing Danny or anyone else for that matter? I swear this is an honest question. Pascal.Tesson 03:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
The Cabal will call in the Rouge Admin Death Squad on you, of course.That is to say, there is no Cabal, and there certainly is no Rouge Admin Death Squad that might be called in to quash dissenters. Nothing to see here, move along. ♠PMC♠ 22:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose Relinquished positions of trust along with his resignation from WMF. This is in itself a good thing. But he does not explain his reasons for departure. I would be happy to support if this was explained. Danny linked his departure with those positions of trust, including the admin position. Of course he did not need to explain why he resigned, but once the linkage is forged I can't evaluate his fitness without understanding the full reasons for his giving them up. Edivorce 00:14, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose, switched from support - I've looked at Danny's actions in a way that ignores his service with the WMF, and I've found stuff that I would normally oppose a user for (newbie biting, exemption from rules, etc.). Not something that I would like in an admin, foundation guy or not. PTO 00:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose per trialsanderrors. I am very surprised to find myself opposing but agree that his block log shows very harsh treatment of what look like fairly innocuous mistakes. I am also uncomfortable with supporting the request while his reasons for resigning remain unknown. WjBscribe 01:29, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- I am unconvinced by Danny's response to the questions. They only justify his conduct if one accepts that someone who adds spam to Misplaced Pages intends only to use it as a publicity vehicle rather than simply having misunderstood our policies (which the ordinary user of Misplaced Pages as an information source does not read). Given the unfortunate state of some articles it is an easy mistake to make. Were those contributors dealt with kindly they have the potential to become valuable members of the Community. I agree that a harsh line should be taken where warnings are not headed, but pre-emptive blocks that assume bad faith should not be what we are about. The fact that Danny sees nothing wrong with these types of blocks worries me and he would no doubt continue to use the block button in the same way. In don't think that's the sort of admin that will benefit the project- Danny skills and experience seem to me to come at too high a price. WjBscribe 07:29, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- The resignation letter that Wired magazine published was perfectly clear. Perhaps you should read it. Atshields0 05:14, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose, after review of his deletion history he seems to be fond of the speedy delete rather than openning the deletion up for discussion. I think that even in the cases where he had good reason to delete he was not right to take this upon himself to do without discussion. Of course there will always be some articles that are obvious canidates for speedy delete, but if you look at his deletion logs you will find a number of actions that are reverted by other admins.
He also has a history of reverting another admin without explanation.No-one, not even an admin is an expert on every topic, thats why the usual process is to nominate an article for deletion, so the community can come to an informed concensus. That community involvement is what the project is all about, if we wanted an encyclipedia where a small set of editors had 100% say over what was relevant and what wasnt we'd all be reading britanica still. Despite his other notable qualities I'd like to see him have to wait a while and demonstrate to the community that he cares about our input. Another complaint I have is that he is very poor at putting adequate comments in edit summaries, that further goes to the point of lack of respect for others in the community. --Michael Lynn 02:50, 4 April 2007 (UTC)- per Eagle101 I'm glad to hear that was the situation, but I'm still concerned about the other issues that show a preference for unilateral action over community concensus. I'm also concerned about his actions and retoric concerning new comers that is overly jaded at best, and outright xenophobic at worst --Michael Lynn 19:50, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Let's see what some of them were: #7 was: #7 was "In the Joshtafarian dictionary, Josh translates as 'Purebred legend' which if you ask me is pretty Wack, when josh in hebrew means God... i sense something divine is going on here..." I have commented on Fleshlight above--the creator admitted on the phone that he made teh article solely to advertise his website, and the company agreed because it was good advertising. YOu might want to read some of the deletion discussions there. I still contend that there is no need to include every contestant on every reality show on Misplaced Pages. In fact, there should be far stricter standards for BLP, which are the cause of most of our recurring legal issues. Danny 20:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- You were right to delete #7, you were even right to speedy delete it, the problem i have is your lack of documentation, you clearly had reasons to delete it, you just gave them to me, but none of those reasons were "blah blah" as your edit summary indicated. Edit summaries, especially for deleting a page, are not important for you, they are important to everyone that can't read your mind and doesn't have access to deleted content. regarding the fleshlight issue, yes it was an ad, yes they shouldnt have done it, but that doesnt mean the topic was not worthy of mention on the Wiki. The proper course of action would have been to remove all the advert content, leaving it a stub if need be, and if you were really unhappy about the article then you should have put it to an AfD vote. This was not a case of vandalism, and the topic itself was not nonsense. This was a clear case of you deleting something unilaterally because you didn't think it was worth talking about. I get that sort of editing from my father's copy of britanica thank you, I don't find it all that useful. Remember one of the biggest things that makes this project great is that the community gets to deside what is worthy of discussing. A good example was again in the Musa Cooper case. I agree it probably isnt notable enough to be there. If i were voting on it, i would vote to delete it. but as you can see from the AfD log after it was restored then put to a vote, i (and you) would have been overruled by the community. That is how the system is supposed to work. And I can't vote for someone that I don't think will respect the community concensus even when its contrary to their own opinion. --Michael Lynn 20:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Let's see what some of them were: #7 was: #7 was "In the Joshtafarian dictionary, Josh translates as 'Purebred legend' which if you ask me is pretty Wack, when josh in hebrew means God... i sense something divine is going on here..." I have commented on Fleshlight above--the creator admitted on the phone that he made teh article solely to advertise his website, and the company agreed because it was good advertising. YOu might want to read some of the deletion discussions there. I still contend that there is no need to include every contestant on every reality show on Misplaced Pages. In fact, there should be far stricter standards for BLP, which are the cause of most of our recurring legal issues. Danny 20:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- per Eagle101 I'm glad to hear that was the situation, but I'm still concerned about the other issues that show a preference for unilateral action over community concensus. I'm also concerned about his actions and retoric concerning new comers that is overly jaded at best, and outright xenophobic at worst --Michael Lynn 19:50, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose (Switched from support)→ Michael Lynn and the other opposers have made a good point. Snowolf CON - 06:21, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose per deletion history and other issues which have been cited above. RFerreira 07:32, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose due to his admin actions, particularly deletions. --SPUI (T - C) 07:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose; has used power irresponsibly too often to be trusted with it again. Everyking 08:29, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose per Sjakalle, and I want to register my protest against the execrable rudeness and condescension voiced by some commentators against that highly respectable editor. I hope Phil is ashamed of himself. (No, I realize those comments weren't Danny's fault and they haven't affected my !vote. Registering an objection to them wouldn't have killed him, though.) Bishonen | talk 08:45, 4 April 2007 (UTC).
- Oppose Sorry - unsatisfactory answers to questions.--Runcorn 14:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose I knew Danny could be gruff, and I knew he was a terrible b'crat (at least twice closing requests -- Sean Black RfA No. 2 and Essjay's RfB -- in which he voiced previous support, about the stupidest thing a b'crat could do.) I was unaware, however, that he was also unkind to newbies. Per Bishonen, it certainly doesn't help that many among his supporters have exhibited obnoxious behavior here. Answer to Question 5 also shows candidate's own hubris -- every newbie should be treated as a rational being who might be won over to the noble goals of the project with a little kindness. I'm not the most active editor in the world, and even I can think of three "spammers" that I have helped to "redeem". I cannot support this in good conscience any longer, and I urge Danny to take the opposers much more seriously than some of his supporters appear to. Xoloz 14:51, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Oppose. I'm not really sure what to make of this. Yeah, Danny seems to have done some good work at the office, and I mostly like his tough stance on crap, but I get the feeling he's on some sort of mission. I'd really just like to know what his motivations are, why he left the Foundation, etc. Trust is a two-way street. If he doesn't trust us enough to reveal any possible conflicts of interest, I can't see how we can trust him to be an administrator (and more, since I assume that is the direction you are heading). This is a unique situation, and it needs to be treated with a much higher level of scrutiny. --- RockMFR 15:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose. Even before Danny resigned, I was hearing a number of complaints about Danny's bruqueness, his tendency to just unilaterally do things and then refuse to discuss them afterwards etc. I don't doubt that Danny is a good contributor to Misplaced Pages, but I think he has got to used to getting his own way and that has made him out of touch. So, I would really like Danny to experience Misplaced Pages as a normal editor for three or four months before I would vote support, to ensure he knows what it's like for most of us. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 16:07, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose I have vacillated many times on this candidacy. First, I admire his position against using Misplaced Pages as an advertising platform. Second, he has done more at Misplaced Pages than 99% of us. Third and most importantly, I don't believe Danny had to resign his adminship (then again, I don't know the whole story). How could I vote against such a candidate? Well, I am reminded, after reading Danny's answers to my questions (thank you, btw, for taking the time and effort), of a user talk page I recently visited, a page periodically punctuated by the muted cries of helpless newbies. And unfortunately, that seals the deal for me. Xiner (talk) 16:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose - (1) Lack of edit summaries is not a reason to oppose, but Danny's answer Q4.C. "far too much emphasis is being placed on the way an edit is made than on the quality of the contribution" shows a lack of respect for the consensus that brought us the important edit summary guidelines and a lack of understanding of the importance of using edit summaries as part of being civil. (2) A second, independent reason to oppose is trust. It is acceptable that you relinquished positions of trust along with resigning from WMF with out explaining. However, without knowing why you relinquished and resigned your positions, there is not enough information to judge whether you are a trusted user. Relinquished positions of trust along with resigning from WMF are very significant Misplaced Pages events for which full disclosure is required to put you back into a position of trust. You can be an editor with secret resignation reasons, but RfA's trust requirement does not permit you to have it both ways. (3) Failure to provide sufficient answers to the questions is reason enough to oppose all on its own. This tells me that when newcomers come to you for answers for an administrative action you took against them, it is unlikely that you will provide them the answers they need to understand your decision so that they will continue on their bad behavior to the disruption of Misplaced Pages. It shows a lack of respect for this RfA process and those who went through it. Alkivar's observation of the attitude "I'm Danny. I don't really need to go through this process" does come across in this very RfA and is not a basis to support a request for adminship. If you are tired, worn-out, and fed-up, consider taking a wikibreak. (4) Admins are "trusted users who understand policy." It appears that you use your well-developed reputation as a justification to yourself to avoid complying with policy and other process. You have used significant authority over others for so long that it appears that your skill in cultivating trust in others without that authority has diminished. Even if you understand policy, I am not convinced that you will comply with it or defer your judgment to the judgment of the consensus to the level that other admins do. Your significant Misplaced Pages experiences seem to work against you, as you seem to have become too jaded to become an administrator. Accordingly, I oppose this RfA. -- Jreferee 16:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose For someone with such vast experience, there is a strange lack of knowledge of, or at least respect for, our rules and conventions.--Brownlee 19:03, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Neutral.I decided to pretend that this was not a foregone conclusion and actually research the candidate's contributions a bit. Unfortunately, what I found is ambiguous. 98% of his work is just great, adding entries to wikisource, free images, and the like, and there is a lot of that good work. Unfortunately, among that good work, there are a number of nitpicks, that don't disqualify, but are hardly model editor level either. Edit summary usage: 26% for major edits and 50% for minor edits. That's not very good. Here he removes a {{wikify}} tag without really wikifying the article - he wiki-linked one word, but didn't fix the (sole) section heading, and frankly, left the article a rather pitiful stub with bad references and WP:BLP concerns (uncited clearly controversial statements). Here he removes an unformatted external link from an article, leaving the article with no references whatsoever. The link should probably have read http://www.edakkunnitemple.org/html/wariam.html#ikkandawarrier but rather than spend a few minutes looking for that, and making the article a noticeably better stub, he just deleted. Why? Don't know, no edit summary in either case. Here he blocks a new user for a month for adding two external links to an article, without warnings. Now, sure, probably it wasn't a productive contributor. But was it really a hardened spammer that kept vandalizing after multiple warnings? What happened to blocks being preventative and not punitive? Heck, what happened to Misplaced Pages:Please do not bite the newcomers? On the other hand, as everyone writes above, he has been through the fires of hell with WP:OFFICE, no doubt that has made him a bit rough around the edges. Anyway, maybe this will help someone else decide. It didn't help me enough. Now I'll go and clean up the issues I found. --AnonEMouse 19:44, 3 April 2007 (UTC)- Changing to Oppose, and I'm very sorry, because Danny has been admirably honest in stating his views. "In cases of spam or obvious bad intent, I will continue to bite." Yes, Fleshlight wanted their article to be an ad - that didn't mean we shouldn't have had an article, it just shouldn't have been an ad. It should have been stubbed down from an ad, and eventually made NPOV, which is what happened. We shouldn't delete articles "in revenge" for the bad intentions or behaviour of the article subject, those should be irrelevant (or we'd hardly have an article on Charles Manson, would we?). Arch Coal is another example that started as spam: an ad, explicitly written for pay by MyWikiBiz, but clearly notable. It was stubbed down, then improved to NPOV. Just a few sections below is the RfA of someone who started here with "obvious bad intent", far worse than adding two inappropriate links; had she been blocked for a month without warning after that first vandalism edit, would she be standing for RfA now? I am very sorry, since Danny has done more good for the encyclopedia than almost everyone, certainly more than I have. He is honest, forthright and honorable. Unfortunately, what he is honest about is just not what I want in an admin. --AnonEMouse 19:54, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose per the answer to question 8. Danny has been high handed and even rude on a few occaisions in the past. If he feels that this is acceptable behavior in an admin, I cannot support. Eluchil404 20:45, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Reluctant oppose. User has reatly contributed to the quality of the encyclopedia. However, there are many examples of where this user has failed to abide by WP:BLOCK, WP:BITE, and WP:CIVIL, all of which concern me. It seems likely this nomination will pass, but I cannot in good conscience support. Firsfron of Ronchester 22:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Strongly oppose. I will not re-support rogue admins. Grace Note 23:03, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose per unsatisfactory answers to RFA questions, misuse of administrative tools and out of process actions, as well as apparent conflicts of interest when entrusted with elevating others to administrator status. Silensor 01:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose for answers to optional questions. PaddyM 02:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose per nom. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 04:34, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- You might want to expand on that. I'm pretty sure that as the nominatort Cyde (talk · contribs) supports Danny's RfA... Pascal.Tesson 04:46, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Exactly. Allowing yourself to be nominated by Cyde shows a frightening lack of judgment. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 14:26, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- So...the friend of my enemy is my enemy? Have we sunk that far into blind factionalism? Bunch, you've always struck me before as a thoughtful commentator, and if you're actually making your decision on this basis, that gives me great concern about more than just this one RfA. I hope you can clarify or reconsider. --Robth 17:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- This objection is meaningless and incomprehensible. I'd have happily nominated him if the matter arose; so would a dozen other people. Would that make him somehow a different, better, candidate? Shimgray | talk | 20:49, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- If I am not allowed to take my opinion of the nominator's character into account when evaluating candidates, why do we have nominators at all? Happy-fun window-dressing only? If Willy on Wheels nominated me for admin, would you be required to ignore that? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Exactly. Allowing yourself to be nominated by Cyde shows a frightening lack of judgment. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 14:26, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- You might want to expand on that. I'm pretty sure that as the nominatort Cyde (talk · contribs) supports Danny's RfA... Pascal.Tesson 04:46, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose for newbie-biting. I personally know a couple of people whose only contributions have been spam. They're smart, good-hearted people, and they could be possibly be turned into wonderful contributors if encouraged to write about topics other than their own companies. Kla'quot 05:22, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Wow. This comment really blew me away. I honestly expected to view your contribs and see an empty page, ... but thats not the case, so I can't imagine how you've formed this position. Lets pretend for a moment that some person called you on the phone, screaming that they are going to sue Wikimedia because some users removed their advertisement and after you politely explain that how the foundation doesn't control the users and how we're not a free advertising service they are still screaming. Can you honestly say that you wouldn't go find their account, revert any of the missed spamming, then block them? ... Obviously that isn't what happened in all of Danny's spammer blocks, but it's what happened in more than a few of them. You can see from his contribs that he isn't an RC partoler, ... a lot of stuff came to his attention because people called the office. I've seen in first hand.
- If Danny hadn't blocked people like that, then I'd be opposing him. So whats a man to do? You'll oppose for doing something, I'd oppose for not doing something. At the end of the day he has to follow his heart and his judgment and do the best he can. It's funny that you think he was causing so much harm, but you never showed up to ask him about these 'bad blocks' when he was an admin. --Gmaxwell 15:40, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Considering Danny's reputation for retaliation and perceived/actual authority, are you really that surprised people didn't oppose him when he made actions as a foundation employee? -- nae'blis 15:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Danny's rationale for his block of user:Ekraam did not indicate that Ekraam had contacted the office. For contributions like these, the appropriate response is usually Template:Welcomespam. There are obviously people who stubbornly and aggressively try to exploit Misplaced Pages for commercial purposes. We can't make that our stereotype of everyone who adds an advert article or spam link once or twice. Your opening sentence indicates you're applying a stereotype even to people who have friends who've done that. Kla'quot 15:15, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose, per everyone above-K@ngie 07:14, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose , per egregiously excessive blocks, poor deletion summaries, etc., etc. What they said. David Mestel 08:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose, per Dev920 above.AKAF 08:22, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose per trialsanderrors and AnonEMouse. I've thought about this quite a lot.-gadfium 08:46, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose per trialsanderrors and AnonEMouse. Stating that he'd "support a poll for regular reconfirmation of admins" is an empty promise, since there have been several failed attempts to establish that, and Danny knows it. —KNcyu38 (talk • contribs) 09:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose due to answers for both mandatory and optional questions. I'm sorry, but I definitely do not hold the same opinions as you. - ζpLoT // 10:07, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Reluctant oppose. There is no question that Danny has done a lot of outstanding work for the encyclopedia. Also, I think he has earned the trust to have have noncontroversially remained a janitor after resigning his Foundation positions had he chosen to do so, becoming "one of a thousand". But his answers to the nom questions above make it increasingly clear that in choosing to go through RFA, he is saying "take me as I am or vote accordingly". That involves all the issues raised by others above. So this becomes a WP philosophical issue, with Danny's RFA representing the position that Misplaced Pages is under seige from vandals and spammers and we should just "cut our losses" and chase away whoever appears to be being nonconstructive. While I don't dispute vandalism and spamming is an issue, I think the gradual erosion of civility, AGF, and collaborative effort are longer term a bigger threat to the health of the project. Thus my regretful and reluctant oppose, with a plea to Danny to recognize that if he does get promoted, the fact that his support level is currently running in the 70s rather than the 90s he deserves is a statement about the discomfort a significant part of the community feels as to his stated approach. If he does not get promoted, I would encourage him to apply again at RFA soon if he feels he can reshape his approach to be different, and continue to be a respected and productive Wikipedian in any way he wishes. Martinp 14:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Regretfully oppose. If you had continued to retain your sysop bit, there would have been some minor grousing (perhaps) about power cabals, but as it is you stood to take the community's opinion to heart with respect to your additional tools. Unfortunately, your answers to both the standard and additional questions display a willingness to violate Misplaced Pages principles such as Assume Good Faith, equality of editors, and transparency of actions, that I find too troubling to support you. Furthermore, your controversial promotions as 'crat stirred up more crap than I can reasonably count on this project, and you still do not seem to see how that is your responsibility. "From the ground up" may mean re-examining some of your long-held beliefs. If someone with tens of thosands of edits and thousands of hours of service is not able to avoid biting new contributors, I have to worry about the viability of the project as a whole. You should have been an easy confirmation, and yet... -- nae'blis 15:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose Your blocking record, as others have mentioned, is not a good sign. -- tariqabjotu 15:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Not at this time. Seems to have lost view of the idea that administrators are servants of the community. —Cryptic 16:31, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- I recongize the good work you have done at WP:OFFICE. However, adminship is a privilege not an entitlement. Furthermore, I have lost a great deal of trust for your actions as a crat', and cannot support you at this time. - Mailer Diablo 18:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP policy. Given the multiple examples of questionable behavior and the user's own statements, I do not trust this user to follow or enforce WP policy as understood by the community. User displays a pattern of behavior: he is not interested in communicating and not interested in fostering consensus. Danny is beyond superlative as an editor. I thank him for his past contributions, and I cannot support adminship at this time. Concur with Jreferee's and Brownlee's responses. (commenent continues in the next paragraphs)- Meersan 19:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- WP:BLOCK - Multiple instances of inappropriately lengthy, punitive blocks. Per trialsanderrors and AnonEMouse - HSBC as one example (there are many more). Behavior is likely to continue per user's response to Question 5.
- WP:CONSENSUS - Multiple instances in which user ignored well-established procedures intended to foster the consensus of the community. Multiple instances in which user repeatedly failed to explain his decisions. Blank edit summaries frequently associated with high profile, controversial actions that deserved the chance to reach a consensus. User's responses to the initial "questions for the candidate" were spectacularly uninformative. (Why give this user the mop when he can't be bothered to explain what he'll do with it?) Per Sjakkalle - example Israel News Agency among others.
- WP:CIVIL - Curt and dismissive responses to newbies, experienced editors and others that form a pattern of behavior. "blah blah" is not an informative or helpful edit summary when speedy deleting an article. Per Michael Lynn. Behavior is likely to continue per user's response to Question 4 and 8.
- WP:SD - Excessive use of speedy delete without giving the community a chance to reach a consensus, causing his actions to be reverted by other admins on multiple occasions. Normally I would overlook this as a normal difference of opinion, but given the overall pattern of behavior it merits attention. Per Michael Lynn - example Musa Cooper (there are many more). Behavior is likely to continue per user's responses to Question 4 and 8.
- WP:BITE - Multiple instances of aggressive, punitive behavior toward new users. Per AnonEMouse's example. Behavior is likely to continue per user's responses to Question 5 and 8.
- WP:AGF - Multiple instances of failing to assume good faith. Per trialsanderrors - HSBC as one example (there are many more). Behavior is likely to continue per user's responses to Question 5 and 8.
- Danny's responses to the questions could be summed as "take me as I am and vote accordingly", and I have done so. His actions appear to be the result of him implementing his own policies, not Misplaced Pages's. I can't see why this should be encouraged in an admin. - Meersan 19:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose per Meersan. Responses to questions suggest a certain entitlement attitude, heavy-handed WP:OFFICE actions, seemingly excessive blocking. Xihr 21:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose. History of poor judgment regarding article deletions. Aggressive approach makes him unsuited for the role of admin. --JJay 01:00, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose Sorry, Danny. The well-supported testimonies of many trustworthy users above is too damning for me to be able to support you. -- Kicking222 01:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Firm oppose As Xoloz, I was not particularly pleased with certain of Danny's uses of the admin tools (to say, of course, nothing of his uses of the 'crat tools), and I am not at all sure that I could conclude with any degree of certainty that the net effect on the project of his being (re)sysopped should be positive. Such concern is exacerbated by the tenor of the answers to several questions, which appear, as Xihr suggests, to evidence an attitude of entitlement the existence of which in a prospective admin is quite inauspicious. I can surely understand that Danny should feel irked about his being opposed so vociferously by some here, especially because it wasn't as though there was some grand clamor for him to be desysopped whilst he was in the employ of the Foundation (or even, for that matter, any consistent criticism); some of us, though, were not great fans of the fashion in which he used the tools on en.wiki, and I, for one, whilst awed by the breadth of Danny's mainspace and project-space contributions and whilst fond of Danny qua person, found his leaving the WMF—and his ostensibly returning to the project (exclusively) as an editor—to be a positive (at least relative en.wiki). I trust him generally and think him (of course) to be well-meaning, but I don't imagine that he should be resysopped prior to his being once more involved with the community as only an editor. Joe 01:53, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose per Nae'blis and AnonEMouse. Great guy, great commitment to project, didn't need to run for RfA, but some of the stuff that has come out above make support impossible at this time. Sorry. --Guinnog 08:56, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose Jreferee and Xoloz summed up my concerns quite well. I also think WP:BITE is more important than is commonly realized. Frise 13:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose per User:trialsand errors and many other comments above.ER 14:19, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Strong oppose per most people above and my own experiences, where Danny has shown himself to be unresponsive, unrepentant, and overly jumpy. Abused the tools when there was no reasonable way to stop him since he worked for the Foundation, why are we willing to hand them back now? --badlydrawnjeff talk 14:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Strong oppose per many of the above and that the answers of many the supporters appear to have shown no thought whatsoever. WP:OFFICE is the antithesis of consensus building, which is the heart of Misplaced Pages. Danny was the tool that implimented this vicious and unfeeling policy. He's made his decisions, and those decisions are inconsistent with adminship. Then again, while I would like to, I have little hope that the 'crats will respect the decisions here and just rubber stamp Danny in regardless of of percentages or opinions since there is no real oversight over their powers, and they would more than likely be secretly forced to by the foundation.Just H 15:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- I am just curious. WP:OFFICE was implemented to eliminate extreme cases of "defamation, privacy violations or copyright infringement" as determined by the General Counsel of the Wikimedia Foundation or by Jimmy Wales. Do you honestly consider that "vicious and unfeeling"? Danny 15:29, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- I consider anything done arbitrarily and unilaterally on Misplaced Pages to be "vicious and unfeeling". Ends do not justify means. Just H 15:33, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Then you are in the wrong project. The vast majority of all actions on Misplaced Pages are unilateral. Only rarely do we find it necessary to hold lengthy ebates first, and when someone is on the telephone actively threatening to sue the project into oblivion is not one of the better times to respond "oh, het, we'll just chat about this among ourselves for a couple of weeks and then get back to you". And even that misses the point: Danny was doing as he was required to do by Jimbo, so your beef is actually with Jimbo, who was the originator of the office action and performed several himself. I suggest you go to ArbCom and ask to have Jimbo's sysop rights removed, rather than opposing the RfA of one of the very few Wikipedians who can demonstrate unequivocally that he has Jimbo's absolute trust. Guy (Help!) 16:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Classic case of "Don't shoot the messenger". "He's made his decisions" - surely you've read that these OFFICE actions weren't Danny's own personal decisions, but those made by Danny, Brad and the Foundation as one entity, acting in the best interests of the project, even if they've pissed people off, the only reason your able to complain about them now is because they worked and stopped the site from being shut down, especially earlier on. I also have to agree with Guy. Even on Misplaced Pages, there's a point where the discussion stops and the unilateral action starts. -- Nick 16:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- I consider anything done arbitrarily and unilaterally on Misplaced Pages to be "vicious and unfeeling". Ends do not justify means. Just H 15:33, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- I am just curious. WP:OFFICE was implemented to eliminate extreme cases of "defamation, privacy violations or copyright infringement" as determined by the General Counsel of the Wikimedia Foundation or by Jimmy Wales. Do you honestly consider that "vicious and unfeeling"? Danny 15:29, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose, pretty much per JustH, who put it better then I put it before the edit conflict. Abeg92contribs 15:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose, per above. Yankee Rajput 16:33, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Neutral
NeutralI agree with Jeffrey O. Gustafson that this is really an unnecessary exercise and the gladhanding politico answers make me unwilling to participate in it. ~ trialsanderrors 08:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)- Changed to oppose after reviewing block log. ~ trialsanderrors 22:16, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Neutral. I'd prefer Danny to wait a little bit before being an admin again. SYSS Mouse 03:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Strongly neutral I was prepared to support Danny until I read his response to the valid concerns expressed by User:Xiner about vested contributors. Given Danny's enormous contributions to Misplaced Pages, I cannot, in good conscience, oppose his nomination for adminship, but neither can I endorse his views on vested contributors with a vote of support. // Internet Esquire 20:53, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Neutral, leaning towards oppose. I recognize all that Danny has done for Misplaced Pages and I'm absolutely certain he won't abuse admin tools. However, I've seen numerous examples of misuse, including newbie biting. There also seems to be an attitude that rules don't apply to him. ChazBeckett 12:12, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Neutral due to the issues brought up. Acalamari 17:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- While I still think Danny did a great job as an office staff, the issues presented here force me to withdraw my support for now. -- ReyBrujo 20:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Neutral. I like the answers to quite a lot of the questions, so I'm not going to oppose. --- RockMFR 23:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Neutral --I voted Support at first glance and then have read all of the pros and cons proffered and feel that I cannot support nor oppose at this time.--Lmcelhiney 01:20, 6 April 2007 (UTC)