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| But I don't actually know anything about ]... ] 03:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | But I don't actually know anything about ]... ] 03:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
| :As long as you have solid sources ,they do not have the right to revert your edits (especially when you did not remove their contributions).You can discuss you edits on the talk page or ask a neutral admin if this problem continued --] 09:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | :As long as you have solid sources ,they do not have the right to revert your edits (especially when you did not remove their contributions).You can discuss you edits on the talk page or ask a neutral admin if this problem continued --] 09:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
| ::all of that was done, in other words, edit summaries and talk page comments were left, and no sources or references were ever removed by me. However, a few editors who work together have been removing my sourced references. ] 15:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| I'm assuming that you want to add these, because you believe they show that Ibn-Sina was an Arab? Can you sumarise for me the reasons that other people are giving for not including the references? (I don't just mean their motives, but their arguments.) Regards, ] 10:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | I'm assuming that you want to add these, because you believe they show that Ibn-Sina was an Arab? Can you sumarise for me the reasons that other people are giving for not including the references? (I don't just mean their motives, but their arguments.) Regards, ] 10:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
| :They made several arguments, such as that since the name of Ibn Sina's mother was Persian, and his father was from Balkh, which is today in Afghanistan, and Ibn Sina wrote in Persian, that's the 100% proof of him being Persian. Then they claimed "There is consensus among all major academics and historians that Ibn Sina was Persian. '''This is indisputable. Fringe views don't belong on Misplaced Pages per WP:NPOV'''". Then another claim: "'''Misplaced Pages requires primary sources over secondary sources'''." Then this: "'''If Britannica 2007 calls him Persian then it means that there is a consensus behind it, hence that's what wikipedia should follow'''. If somehow it is proved that a major alternative view considers him Arab (which I doubt) '''then you can simply label him as a 'muslim' scholar on the lead and explain all viewpoints in a section within the body of the article'''." Incidentally, Britannica calls him "Muslim scholar" Then they made a few other comments. However all this misses the point - out of 4 quotes I brought in, 2 deal with him being an Arab scientist whilst the other two with his Arab ethnicity. It is not relevant whether we believe 100% he was not Arab or was for sure Persian or Tajik. What matters is that several reputable verifiable sources said otherwise, and because it is more than one source, we should report it in Misplaced Pages per all applicable policies. ] 15:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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But I don't actually know anything about Persian literature... m.e. 03:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- As long as you have solid sources ,they do not have the right to revert your edits (especially when you did not remove their contributions).You can discuss you edits on the talk page or ask a neutral admin if this problem continued --Aziz1005 09:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- all of that was done, in other words, edit summaries and talk page comments were left, and no sources or references were ever removed by me. However, a few editors who work together have been removing my sourced references. Weiszman 15:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Sources
1) Arab descent according to other sources, Herbert Wendt. In Search of Adam: The Story of Man's Quest for the Truth about His Earliest Ancestors. Houghton, Mifflin, 1956, p. 6 and
3) "Ibn-Sina has been referred to as the Arab Galen." Philip Khuri Hitti. Makers of Arab History, 1968, p. 216
4) "In him Arab science reached its climax."Eugene A. Myers. Arabic Thought and the Western World in the Golden Age of Islam. 1964, p. 33
Weiszman 07:52, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm assuming that you want to add these, because you believe they show that Ibn-Sina was an Arab? Can you sumarise for me the reasons that other people are giving for not including the references? (I don't just mean their motives, but their arguments.) Regards, Ben Aveling 10:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- They made several arguments, such as that since the name of Ibn Sina's mother was Persian, and his father was from Balkh, which is today in Afghanistan, and Ibn Sina wrote in Persian, that's the 100% proof of him being Persian. Then they claimed "There is consensus among all major academics and historians that Ibn Sina was Persian. This is indisputable. Fringe views don't belong on Misplaced Pages per WP:NPOV". Then another claim: "Misplaced Pages requires primary sources over secondary sources." Then this: "If Britannica 2007 calls him Persian then it means that there is a consensus behind it, hence that's what wikipedia should follow. If somehow it is proved that a major alternative view considers him Arab (which I doubt) then you can simply label him as a 'muslim' scholar on the lead and explain all viewpoints in a section within the body of the article." Incidentally, Britannica calls him "Muslim scholar" Then they made a few other comments. However all this misses the point - out of 4 quotes I brought in, 2 deal with him being an Arab scientist whilst the other two with his Arab ethnicity. It is not relevant whether we believe 100% he was not Arab or was for sure Persian or Tajik. What matters is that several reputable verifiable sources said otherwise, and because it is more than one source, we should report it in Misplaced Pages per all applicable policies. Weiszman 15:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC)