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Your piece on Moseley School is very impressive. Andy Mabbett 20:23, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! TharkunColl 20:30, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Lyoness

Hey, what's your source for your additions to the kings of Lyoness? I'd love to know more about it.--Cuchullain 06:38, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Nigel Pennick's book Lost Lands and Sunken Cities, and the map of Lyonesse drawn by Agnes Strickland, plus websites such as and , and a number of others derived from these devoted to genealogy.TharkunColl 11:10, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Move pages: do not just Cut and Paste

When you want to move a page, you must use the Move button or Requested moves, not just Cut and Paste. You are making a right mess of the List of monarchs of England page(s): your latest Cut and Paste has created three overlapping or duplicate articles: not clever at all. In fact, a quite unprecedented dogs' breakfast.--Mais oui! 18:50, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, please stop doing this. Take the article to Misplaced Pages:Requested moves and consider yourself firmly ticked off for destroying the page history. Morwen - Talk 19:08, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

I have been attempting to restore the article to its original page, where it currently is. I have also added a lot more info to it of a historical nature. TharkunColl 19:12, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't mind what you're attempting to do, but what you have been doing is destroying the page history by doing copy and paste moves. Do not do this again, as it destroys necessary page history information that is requried for the Misplaced Pages licence. The page history is currently at the article List of monarchs of the Kingdom of England. If you want it moved, take it to Misplaced Pages:Requested moves. Morwen - Talk 19:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Can I suggest you simply (a) cease adding the contested info back. And (b) take this issue to Misplaced Pages:Requested moves. It really doesn't matter that much, I suggest you prove you are the better person by dropping it. Morwen - Talk 15:59, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

And on a random note, if we are having Henry the Young King in the list, do you think it would make sense to also have Philip II of Spain as a footnote? Morwen - Talk 16:02, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

Thanks for experimenting with Misplaced Pages. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. --Mais oui! 22:21, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Repeated vandalism

Please stop adding nonsense to Misplaced Pages. It is considered vandalism. If you were just trying to experiment, then use the sandbox instead. Thank you. --Mais oui! 22:26, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

cite

You cannot add nonsense to Misplaced Pages: it is considered vandalism. Please read WP:CITE and Misplaced Pages:No original research.--Mais oui! 22:31, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

It is not nonsense, nor original research. Those overlords and rulers were real people. TharkunColl 22:33, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

You clearly have not read the two links I provided. All Users are obliged to behave in accordance with these policies.--Mais oui! 22:38, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

On the contrary, each ruler I listed was linked to his own, pre-existing Misplaced Pages article (cite). I did no original research whatsoever - everything is already known. TharkunColl 22:40, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Blocked

I would like to say that, as far as I can see, TharkunColl was only reverting the "work" of a persistent vandal. If she/he breached 3RR it was surely purely inadvertant and not malicious. I urge leniency. Please unblock them.--Mais oui! 00:26, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Of course! Only people with buddies can ignore the rules! Thanks for letting me know how you think the Misplaced Pages is supposed to be run! I love you Mais oui! 68.110.9.62 15:00, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't like using the block button, but 8 reverts in less than an hour and a half would hardly qualify as "inadvertant" in my book. This was a content dispute, not vandalism, and it was blatantly in violation of WP:3RR. —bbatsell ¿? 00:44, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I apologise for breaking the 3RR rule, it had temporarily slipped my mind. The content of the article I was reverting had been lifted wholesale from a copyright website which I pointed out each time I reverted it, and on one occasion I even asked for administration on this issue. Nevertheless, mea culpa! May I ask how long the block is in place for? TharkunColl 09:17, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Block expires in <6 hours, so it'd be better to ride the block out Sceptre 18:12, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Spin̈al Tap

Note that the diacritic mark above the N in spinal tap is actually a diaresis, not a tilde. The correct spelling is actually "Spın̈al Tap", with a dotless 'i' and a diaresis over the n. However, as this is not rendered properly in older browsers, the consensus was to use the traditional spelling on the article page. --DDG 15:58, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

'British Isles'

Utter nonsense to refer to Ireland as a part of Great Britain. Referring to it as being a part of the British Isles is one thing, referring to it as a constituent of Great Britain is majorly ill-informed and makes your whole exegesis invalid. Iolar Iontach 11:21, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

A sovereign nation cannot be accurately included in a term if the consensus in same is that it should not be included. It is a rather basic principle to comprehend. Ireland is Irish and European that is fact. Ireland being a British Isle is subjective anglocentrism, the umbilical cord was cut almost a century ago; the British just haven't realised it yet. Popular opinion in the UK does not qualify as fact. Your own government has difficulty getting the name of one of your closest European neighbours correct in its statutes, so it is easy to understand how its citizens fail to understand that Ireland is not a constituent of the British Isles or even have a basic understanding of their own language. British opinion on Ireland's status is irrelevant, the only opinion re: Ireland's status that matters is Irish opinion. I have no difficulty with the fact that Ireland and Britain are within the same archipeligo, I and the majority of Irish citizens have difficulty with the use of the adjective British when referring to Ireland. This is a not complex issue to comprehend Iolar Iontach 13:24, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

You say cannot as if you were some sort of all-powerful arbiter of language. The fact remains that the term British Isles means both Great Britain and Ireland to the vast majority of English speakers. TharkunColl 13:26, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

To say that the "term British is also" is contradictory. A term is a defined concept, thus it is inaccurate to say the defined concept is also 'x'. British IS an adjective and does not incorporate Ireland in its definition.

It has been explained to you on several occasions that usage of the nomenclature the "British" Isles has political implications in Ireland. It is not used universally, even within the archipeligo; it is accurate to say that it is understood by those who use it. Please stop pushing an anglocentric agenda, wikipedia is supposed to convey the facts from all angles. "These Islands" is a legal term whether you like it or not. Please view Strand Three of the Agreement page 17. Iolar Iontach 02:12, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Please consult a dictionary before editing any further; a term is unambiguous with a definite concept. "British" is an adjective. You are pushing an agenda on the article. It has been explained to you at least a dozen times that the "British Isles" is politically charged. If I had a political agenda the phraseology would have been removed by now. Iolar Iontach 12:30, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

"American" refers to the US or its citizens but can also refer to the Americas i.e. the American continents. "British" never encompasses Ireland in its definition. They are not analogous. Refer to the Oxford English Dictionary. Iolar Iontach 12:44, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Please consult a dictionary, preferably in large format. Language evolves; the adjective "British" does not refer to Ireland. This is extremely basic and requires very little thought. Having consulted the large format dictionary and viewed the definitions for "British" and "American" come back and explain the analogy that you are currently supporting. Iolar Iontach 12:53, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Even when contrite you push your agenda. The term is not used statutorily in Ireland or the in any contemporary UK legislation apart from where it refers to the name of a 3rd level institution. The only term legally recognised in all jurisdictions within the archipelago is "these Islands." Ireland cannot be a "British" Isle as this is completely incongruous and contradicts modern English usage. The UK and Ireland are democracies; in a democracy the view of the minority is always respected; especially its sovereign government. Iolar Iontach 13:07, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

If your agenda is for factual accuracy then you should also have an issue with the misnomer as it is factually inaccurate. British Columbia is constitutionally and statutorily recognised. "British" Isles is not. Iolar Iontach 14:20, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

No it would not. Usage of "British Isles" in English dates from circa 1650. Pretanic Isles is a different thing altogether. "Oceani Insulae" was the nomenclature used within the archipeligo in the sixth century, which is closer to "Islands Of the North Atlantic" than "British Isles." The United Kingdom is not physically part of BC, it is a part of the archipelago, thus there is a much greater degree of implied ownership. You should be able to understand the Irish perspective on this issue; you are from a nation which has great difficulty with the use of the word "Europe" in relation to the UK, which can be witnessed daily in British media. I accept that Ireland is in the archipelago (I have never objected to this) I object to the name as it is inaccurate. Iolar Iontach 02:25, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

You talk like a retarded child, TharkunColl. Do u know how ur fucking mamma sucks my cock every night?

The previous statement was added anonymously by 201.216.210.107 - a Latin American address. He tried to preserve a deliberate POV in the Falklands War article. TharkunColl 00:16, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Falklands reverts

Please stop reverting the Falklands article and discuss your concerns with recent edits on the talk page instead. Please avoid using hostile language, even if the other party does. I will make the same request to him. Jonathunder 22:48, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

• You may be interested to know the same anon user is now vandalising the Falkland Islands page. He's now been blocked for 3 hours for vandalising the WP:3RR page. Someone needs to revert his FI vandalism though. Astrotrain 00:12, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Warning

Please do not re-insert the {NPOV} tag to the Falkland Islands article, or you will be blocked for vandalism. The neutrality of the article is not in dispute and there has been a long-running and mostly constructive debate on the issue of the Spanish name; there appears to be a consensus to retain it as-is. Just zis Guy you know? 20:30, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on an article. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from further editing. . Note: you can be blocked for fewer than three reverts if your behaviour is disruptive. Just zis Guy you know? 20:36, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I still dispute neutrality Astrotrain 20:39, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Weight of numbers

I'd suggest you read Falkland Islands#Assessment and recommendation carefully and note the procedures outlined. There's more to consensus than simple weight of numbers, and intransigent unreasonableness need not dominate in the end. ...dave souza, talk 20:13, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Falklands

I promise to diligently revert additions of Spanish to the opening sentence if you promise not to start a revert war over minor differences in word choice and grammar. I tend to agree a touch more with "venue" than "scenario". You might consider "site". -- Gnetwerker 01:43, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

And I promise to block you for disruption if you change that first line once more without first achieving consensus on the Talk page. Just zis Guy you know? 09:43, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. --Asterion 21:23, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I know, you reverted only three times, not four. Otherwise, what would be the point of the advise if you had already gone over the limit? :o) --Asterion 21:49, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Bretwalda

If you're still interested some changes have been made to Bretwalda. Essentially, the page is seeming like it will be about the term and how it was used. Would you be interested in working on a page on Anglo-Saxon kingship? This could include all the intracies surrounding Mercia et al that we've already discussed. Harthacanute 21:29, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Reverts

I noticed you reverted an edit to the Anglo-Celtic page. Indeed in Australia at least, many people are distinctly aware of whether they are Anglo or Celtic based on whether they are Catholic or Prot. The term is regarded by many as an ethnic racial slur and if it was said in the wrong place, though it would be mostly ignored, would end up with a staunch response. Therefore I am reverting the prevus reference to Celtic revivalists. Mr nice guy 06:38, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

In Australia

In Australia the difference between Celts and Anglos culturally is the prot-Catholic divide. This is because most catholics go to Catholic schools and are of Irish descent. It is not anti-English, it is a cultural fact. As for citation I will add it at a later time, but are you seriously trying to assert otherwise means your complete ignorance of Australia. For Celts that term is considered an ethnic slur along with terms like Skippy, wog etc.. Some people might not care, others care alot, do you understand. Mr nice guy 07:49, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Undoubtedly it is a little bit offensive andit is certainly not a universal perception as such but that is the way it is. Mr nice guy 08:13, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Message to User:Iolar Iontach and User:TharkunColl

Please remember the point of the Talk:British Isles page, and talk pages in general. It is as a forum for improving an aritcle. You two have spent many months debating various arguments over the accuracy/inacurracy of the term British Isles. You clearly disagree with each other and clearly have strong views on the subject. But talk pages are not forums for discussing these, as you have been warned previously. I have archived the current talk page and left a note at the top of the new one to warn all users in future to follow the Misplaced Pages:Talk page guidelines.

If you want to improve or alter the article, then suggest changes, discuss its content. But do not discuss the concept in general, or maintain pointless bickering about the term 'British Isles'. --Robdurbar 12:31, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Canada

I'm genuinely curious: could you please explain to me precisely what your objection is to characterizing Canada as a kingdom? Bearcat 23:40, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Personal Attacks

Judging by the history on your talk page, I think you need to cut out the personal abuse and concentrate on actually making points. Oh, and buy a history book published after 1950. (Stpaul 10:21, 10 June 2006 (UTC))

Why are you so set against the Germans? Nothing to do with Little Englander 2 World WArs and One World Cup mentality? Love the Dambusters, do you? Let's b e frank, a quick look at the pages you edit and one can see where your sympathies lie, English nationalist and xenophobic. I want the Germans there in the interest of historical accuracy, nothing more. I'd like to discuss that with someone who was reasonable, not a rabid, Daily Mail, George's flag waving... etc., (Stpaul 10:35, 10 June 2006 (UTC))

How ironic. Elizabeth I was a despot, as were Oliver Cromwell, Longshanks, George III, William the Bastard, etc. And, as I said, where is this democracy that you're happy to go on about. I believe it wasn't until the 20th century that Westminster gave the vote to the common man; nor should we forget the struggle for Catholic emancipation; or indeed the real "democracy" of the highland clearances. Where? (Stpaul 10:51, 10 June 2006 (UTC))

Now you're being unfair to me: I've never said anything against the English (indeed I have a much closer connection to England and Britain than most foreigners); you, on the other hand, have clearly said that you don't like the Germans. Ergo, it is your edits that are suspect. (Stpaul 11:02, 10 June 2006 (UTC))

There's no need to abuse me... I don't agree with you, so you try to squash my opinion. That's fascism my friend. And further, where's this freedim that you gave the world? You miss the debate in any case; question is why Germany. The evidence is that you should not be allowed to give an opinion as you're prejudiced. (Stpaul 21:01, 10 June 2006 (UTC))

Germanism and the Third Reich as something English?

We all know how plainly different the masses of English are, from the Germans. We are more proud of our Graeco-Roman (inc. Carolingian) and Celtic heritage than they, of which origins they have little. We are justly the heirs of the Norsemen, which Germans only pretend at in their jealousy. We have fought two world wars against the Germans, even forcing the alien Royals to change their surname and marital alliances. England has not been ruled by natives since the Jacobites were destroyed, since the Stuarts were a Scottish clan from Strathclyde (once part of Northumbria) and had Breton (British, you say?) roots. Every single Englishman has at least one Stewart or Fitzalan ancestor from before the Jacobean Union and a lot of Scottish or Breton commoner blood, but how many German ancestors do we have between the Anglo-Saxon/Danish/Norman invasions and the present? We have Holy Roman Emperors and some Italian nobility because of the Crusades. Hell, I'm intrigued on the fact that I have Armenian (Byzantine) blood from the Crusaders--but those proportions are just as low as the German ancestry. Just because we may have this descent, doesn't mean that there is any closer relationship with the Germans compared to the Armenians. We do indeed have an extremely lot of French blood, from all over France. My mother's family is from the Bristol Channel/Severn Valley, but each great grandmother on my maternal side is from Normandy. Now, I take that as being completely natural. What sort of common history does England and Germany, vs England and France have? Who cares what the Teutonic racists have to say about Catholics and Mediterranean people? We have King Arthur and they don't. We have King Canute the Great and they don't. We have the Lancastrian King Hal V--who conquered France for God and Saint George--with Bordeaux wine, from our Royal Dukes of Aquitaine. What do Germans have that is just like us? Our closest German relatives aren't really Teutonic, but French--the Burgundians. I object to the Whig history which tries to eradicate/minimise our actual history, in favour of inventing a culture for us based upon joining the Prussians and Hanseatic League. Bluff King Hal VIII despised Luther, as do I. Dieu et mon droit! Honi soit qui mal y pense! Lord Loxley 14:25, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about minor revert war in "English language"

Sorry. I simply didn't look back far enough in the edit history. (I'm very new to this.) But I do think the "that which is earlier should be list first assumption is questionable... but we both probably have better things to do than fight about that! Best wishes, Cultural Freedom talk 16:35, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

That's okay! TharkunColl 16:38, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

You have yet to answer my discussion posted here!

You do not discuss; you become a battering ram for control of this article. Why do you think it is an aristocratic fantasy that every Briton has French blood today, especially with so many public geneaologies and archaeologies that attest our mutual links across the Channel? Furthermore, why do you have something against aristocrats and feel like you must remove anything that doesn't conform to your POV? You have some self-hate/self-defeatism that you are taking out on others. I am not ashamed of my French heritage. Why the fuck are you trying to erase history? The Bretons and Cornish are irrelevant; Cornish are English and Bretons are no different than Normans or Aquitainians in respect to their English relationship. Why include Bretons, but leave out Normans? You are an eccentric fanatic and I'd wish you would keep your POV bigotry out of the Misplaced Pages, so neutrality rather than your own private fantasy gets distributed. You are not the sole arbiter of truth. Others on the talk page disagree with you on the French part, but archaeologists' discoveries should mean more than those simple objections. I'm telling you now, You have no idea what it means to be English. You want to erase all Continental relationships England has. Tell me; did the Hanoverians breed into the lower classes or was that our Mediaeval French royalty? Please, don't attack English heritage by denying actual contributions to our identity. 1066 changed England's composition in all aspects; 1707-1714 changed only the government and aristocracy. I have nothing in common with the new order. My objections to your mischaracterisation, are merely self-defencive and based on our millenia-old heritage that you stringently deny as if it were a cancer. You fucking hate me and all I am. I am English; you must be pretending or need some counseling. Get help and leave us the fuck alone. Misplaced Pages is not for CRACKPOT REVISIONISM. Lord Loxley 23:31, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Regardless of the history of this debate (in which I have no part), please read and fully understand WP:NPA. Thanks. --Storkk 00:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

It's not so simple.

You have yet to refute my position as an Englishman; you think that by avoiding logic, it won't bite you in the arse and expose your weakness. Come on and do it, or are you a coward too? Lord Loxley 06:38, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I was right after all; you try to turn back history to pre-1066. Go back in time in your dreams and leave bloody well alone with reality! I'm proud of all English heritage, not less than half! You've confirmed your lunatic fringe nonsense; this is specifically why the Misplaced Pages shouldn't be accessed by those in looney-bins. Lord Loxley 06:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

First official warning

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits are considered vandalism, and if you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the hard work of others. Thank you.

Lord Loxley 23:16, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

• Admin comment to readers - note that this is a content dispute.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 07:19, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Second official warning

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages.

This warning is in relation to the articles English people and Kingdom of England. The User:TharkunColl has been adding biased, unsourced POV material unsupported by any historical evidence. He has also retaliated by adding a warning to my own page, and has personally attacked my ethnicity and my politics. I believe that this user is intractable, and that only arbitration can solve this issue. Lord Loxley 23:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

This paragraph was added to my talk page by User:Lord Loxley as a direct copy of a warning that I issued to him for his persistent vandalism. TharkunColl 23:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

This paragraph was added because User:TharkunColl is a hypocrite who wants an admin to defend his bigoted POV and block NPOV from a diversity of sources and beliefs. This user is trying to cover his arse, but he knows he's the one pushing National Socialist/Ethnocentric Marxist vandalism onto every British Isles-related project he interferes with. Lord Loxley 23:52, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Yet again you have resorted to personal attacks. I am neither a Nazi nor a Marxist. TharkunColl 00:01, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Then why do your beliefs, as written by you, come forth identitical to that lunatic fringe? Lord Loxley 00:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

• TharkunColl, do not respond to this person. Enzedbrit 02:11, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

• A spade is a spade; don't get your panties in a twisted bunch, or bees in your bonnet over it. Lord Loxley 02:18, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Please note: extremely belated as I am, I have warned Lord Loxley about this. Also about blanking his user talk page. this should not be interpreted as endorsing any point of view in the discussion. (s)he seems, however, to have left wikipedia. I proceeded with the warning anyway, since if they ever come back, they should be reminded of our policies and guidelines. --Storkk 01:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Kingdom of England

You are in violation of the Three revert rule at Kingdom of England. Please do not revert any article more than three times in one 24 hour period. Thanks. --JW1805 (Talk) 02:57, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

English people

You are in violation of the Three revert rule at English people. Please do not revert any article more than three times in one 24 hour period. Thanks. Lord Loxley 06:12, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

This was placed here by the vandal User:Lord Loxley after I placed a similar warning on his page. It is a lie - I have not broken the 3RR on English people. TharkunColl 06:15, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

This was placed here because this user is a liar who has broken 3RR numerous times, a few days straight in a row. That he chooses to attack me for his own hypocrisy now, is indicative of his wish that the previous warning to himself by another and outside user (on the Kingdom of England) is lessened in its effects. What a fucktard. Lord Loxley 06:17, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Get a life you stupid wanker. No one is interested in your moronic theories and we are all tired of your semi-literate rants. You are a vandal and a troll. TharkunColl 06:20, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

You will not shut me or Alun up with sludge-talk and sludge-thought. Go to a university and learn a thing or two about English history, just stay away from the acid and get into rehab. Lord Loxley 06:21, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

24hr block

I have taken a look at this conflict and found a few expletives and here and some incivility on the talk pages of the disputed articles. Please refrain from this in the future, as an outsider may assume that you have lost the debate if you resort to personal attacks.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 07:18, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

A refutation of User:Lord Loxley

As soon as my ban expires, I shall revert the English people page to that which had been agreed by a consensus of editors, though I hope that someone else does so sooner. In the meantime, I shall attempt to address each of the issues raised by User:Lord Loxley in his "revisions".

In the "related ethnic groups" section you have included Danes, Norwegians, and Swedes, but excluded Welsh. This makes no sense, and it had been agreed by all editors that the Welsh are among the closest ethnic groups to the English, as anyone familiar with those two peoples knows. Your argument appears to be that the Welsh should not be included because they are English - as a result of the 1536 legislation that annexed Wales to the English kingdom. I can only assume that you have no idea what ethnicity actually means, and I suggest you read the article about it. In short, ethnicity has nothing whatsoever to do with legislation, and the mere annexation of Wales to England did not extinguish Welsh ethnic identity. But you don't need to take my word for it, just look at the Welsh people page. And nor, incidentally, is ethnicity dependent on race or genetics. You have accused me of being a racist, but it is you who are the racist by insisting that ethnicity is defined by race. As for Danes and Norwegians, their inclusion is arguable (though not so much the Swedes - very few of them settled in England). The agreed consensus prior to your unilateral intervention was that no Continental ethnic groups would be included, on the grounds that the inhabitants of the British Isles are much, much closer to each other in terms of culture, history, and language than any groups from mainland Europe. Again, this fact is obvious to anyone who knows them. As a Canadian, it is possible that you may have been ignorant of this. If you are not familiar with a subject, it is probably not a good idea to make edits to its page.

Further down the article you have inserted a sentence saying that the Tudors are the chief representative of the English kingdom. This is not only false, it is also completely irrelevant.

Still further down you have completely mangled the section dealing with the Norman Conquest and its effects. You have deliberately suppressed the historical fact that the English became a conquered nation, and inserted irrelevant descriptions of coats of arms. You then suddenly lurch into a (false) description of Neolithic Britain and Gaul, as if this was in any way relevant to the Norman Conquest. You then mention the Roman Empire and one of its short-lived breakaway states, jumping straight to Offa and Charlemagne, desperate to clutch at any sort of straw that will lend support, however flimsy, to your own preconceived notion that no distinction should be made between the English and the French (despite the obvious fact that these two peoples have a very different language, culture, and ethnic identity). Your mention of the consolidation of kingdoms around capitals such as Winchester and Paris is also completely irrelevant, and your suggestion that the English Channel has been the main focus of English cultural development is demonstrably wrong - the North Sea has been just as important, usually more so.

Moving further down still, you have inserted a whole new section entitled "Royalty", and it is here that you expose the full extent of your total misunderstanding of (a) what the article is about, and (b) the English people. English identity is not based on coats of arms as symbols. If you want evidence of this, look at the World Cup, being played in Germany as we speak. The English fans, almost to a man, carry the flag of St. George, and only very rarely the Union Jack. They never, ever carry the royal coat of arms of the UK. Being Canadian, I suspect that you have received a rather distorted view of the English through Holywood depictions and the like. The vast majority of English people would laugh in the face of the sort of mediavalist aristocratic fantasy that you are espousing. You then go on to claim that all Englishmen are actually descended from royalty! This is patent nonsense, and once again exposes your own royalist fantasies. The medieval French-speaking monarchy deliberately did not interbreed with its English-speaking subjects. Now, I'm not saying that no genetic material from earlier monarchs exists in the modern English population, but that is not the point. Statistically, every single person on earth might be descended from Julius Caesar, or anyone else you care to name who lived long enough ago. Oh, and French is most definitely not a lingua franca used among Englishmen - we don't need one, because we've already got English. Indeed, English people in general have been notoriously bad at learning foreign languages. And all that guff about what Scottish and Irish people think of this, that and the other is not only POV, but also completely out of place in an article about the English people.

To sum up - by your own admission you are a Canadian of French ancestry. Nothing wrong with that of course, but it means that your view of the English may not be at all accurate, and this has been proved by your ill-conceived alterations to this article. The English and French, for all their geographical proximity, are worlds apart when it comes to culture, language, and ethnic identity. As a Canadian you might lament this fact, but Anglo-French identity in Canada is something for Canada to sort out, and you have no right to try and impose it on the actual English and French themselves. If you really want to make constructive additions to this article, then try and learn something about what the English are really like, and stop relying on medieval fantasies. You clearly have some sort of personal axe to grind, but I'm afraid that Misplaced Pages is no place to sort out your own ethnic insecurities. And you might also gain more respect by not resorting to foul-mouthed insults and childish temper tantrums every time someone disagrees with you. TharkunColl 10:10, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

User:Lord Loxley's reply, with my own comments

"The recidivism rate of TharkunColl is sad, for he has vowed to disrupt the Misplaced Pages to make a point. Here he attempts yet again, to blow smoke all our arses."

You are the one who is disrupting Misplaced Pages. I am upholding the consensus.

"TharkunColl believes that the English and Welsh are not ethnic twins of Southern Britain (in the present day and age), perhaps unaware that they are indistinguishable to the world at large. The Principality of Wales has not been its own country since before Edward I of England, while the Principality of Liechtenstein is an independent country that has no real ethnic status different from its neighbours. His argument is to play up national-separatist sentiments that serve nobody in the present day, about a Principality vis a vis Kingdom--which form bestows actual ethnic statuses to peoples. Wales has never been featured on the arms of state and seals of office that denote independence, the chief marker of separate identity among the nations in Europe. That the Welsh people page exists, doesn't qualify its existence. This guy believes that there is a sort of "Anglo-Celtic subrace" of Europeans, that is defined only by the British Isles (an idea only popular among xenophobic yobbos proud of the British Empire's world domination, in an era circa the Great War). He believes that Brittany is part of the British Isles, rather than a former duchy in the Kingdom of France--by choice over allegiance to England in the Breton War of Succession. He believes that mass settlement, colonisation and the transcendence of national cultures is arguable in favour of the people under Canute the Great's dominion as governed by Winchester, but denies any significance in relations from 1066 (until the present) as determined by London and what the Normans did which transformed the populace in all ways--especially ancestry and tongue, to form actual and extant connections with the French, Scots and Irish--the countries England has dealt with for the past millenium. He uses racial definitions in respect to the "Celtic fringe" and their English relationship, for we all know how the English never held special favour to them until the Hanoverians changed the political climate and drew sympathy from the English for the harsh oppressions of that regime which never bred into the population of the British Isles and was "naturally nativised". The user believes the Norman Conquest was as removed from the people as the Constitutional Hanoverian rule, but more bloody and causing a Marxist class struggle between monarch and subject for centuries as opposed to a few decades in which it was possible to secure their integration as part of the English people themselves. My other opponent User:Enzedbrit believes that the Norman Channel Islanders are no different from the English, but TharkunColl thinks they are foreigners (since 1066) compared to the Celtic fringe (whom only assimilated to the English way of life because of aftereffects created by the Norman Conquest of England). This person has attacked my nationality as Canadian and put my knowledge into question, simply because I'm not jingoistic to punish the French in any and every discussion of them--we in Canada have learnt to get along, because English and French are more alike than different--despite intense rivalry. He tries to speak with authority and down to me, while it is obvious that he is a crank out of the mainstream of academic institutions but well within the realm of football hooliganism."

Read what I wrote. I believe that the Welsh and English are indeed very close, but quite obviously still retain separate ethnic identities. You are trying to say that they are English. For your own sake, please don't say that if you ever go to Wales. I have never made any claims about an "Anglo-Celtic subrace" and nor do I believe Britanny is part of the British Isles. Why do you ascribe false beliefs to me? As for you being a Canadian, all it means is that you may have a completely false view of what the English are like, based on your misperception of history. As I said, just because Canada is an Anglo-French society, it doesn't mean that England is. And the only crank here is you I'm afraid.

"I made a reference to the Tudors being England's chief representative of the Romano-British in England's culture and identity, which you think is ludicrous or have problems interpreting what was written. It was the Tudors who brought a revival of King Arthur, which made it an official mythology of England."

The Tudors lived about a thousand years after the Romano-British period, so to call them a representation of it sounds a tad unreasonable. And their revival of the Arthurian myths was purely political.

"You have only tried to deny any and every relationship the English and French have ever had, plus what is to come. You have deliberately skewed facts to serve your Ethnocentric Socialist agenda, to continue berating Anglo-French traditions which have survived into the present. You deny the (sorry, epipalaeolithic rather than neolithic) Azilio-Tardenoisian microlithic culture of Southern Britain and Gaul, which was the basis of relations which supported such a state as the Gallic Empire, making it further affluential during the time of Offa of Mercia's Angles and Charlemagne's Franks in their unity among the Teutons of Europe and across the English Channel--just as the Bretons and Welsh maintained ties along the same body of water. The fact that the capitals of England and France have always been Channel-focused, especially since the Norman Conquest, Angevin Empire and Hundred Years' War, eludes him in such concepts as Western Europe and the Entente Cordiale, or the rate of assimilation between the English and French in their colonial empires. He thinks it is alright to look backwards to an England unchanged by 1066, but then changed by 1689 and the changes effected since the Glorious Revolution as the only native English identity (ignoring 600 years). He calls me an aristocrat, but I accept all English relations and you'll find nil elitist separatism based upon identity politics and special interests in my heart--unlike him and his nationalist agenda to purify the English identity from a Marxist standpoint, which was what the Nazis did in WWII Germany--TharkunColl's enemies are the Franks, to Adolf Hitler's Jews. His Final Solution is to revise history and purge all connections between the English and French, the English being Aryan and French being Semitic. It doesn't phase him that the Franks were among the Anglo-Saxon invasion of Roman Britain, that all traditional books make a reference of this and it is supported by archaeology in that time period. It would appall TharkunColl to accept the Greco-Roman contributions to the English identity and culture, but we all inherit something some of us consider Black sheep (term) in our families."

I have never said that cultural exchanges did not cross the Channel, because they clearly did. But cultural exchanges do not erase ethnic differences. Your talk of prehistoric cultures is irrelevant in an article about the English. Furthermore, London is far more North Sea focused than Channel focused (look on a map). I won't even bother refuting your accusations of my being a Nazi, or a Socialist, or whatever - those who resort to personal abuse have invariably lost the argument. And, incidentally, I did not call you an aristocrat. You are just a fantasist.

"TharkunColl believes that there is no organic, symbiotic relationship between royalty and subjects in all parts of the world, but this only changed since constitutional monarchy was created in the British Isles. Everybody can claim royal heritage, depending on how long ago they get it and it is widely known that the monarchy has historically been iconic for English identity. Recent British Republicanism should not be confused with precedent and connection, which is largely based on a recent influx of Bolkshevik (or what, Jacobin a la French Revolutionaries? How surprising!) ideology as a result of the Cold War. To be English is to be anti-Communist, as exemplified in the James Bond films. This guy thinks he is a "True Englishman", but he gets it wrong almost every time. Subjects are forbidden from using the royal arms without permission, but it is a symbol of ethnic identity traditionally found throughout Europe. He has Bolshevik fantasies, as evidenced on his various edits to Misplaced Pages articles in which he shows disdain for the survival of our common monarchy. He tries to remove French as the Englishman's lingua franca, but how often do Englishmen or Anglo-Americans not visit France and mingle with the people for their chief/number one international experience? He asserts that my descent from John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster is just a Mediaeval fantasy because the ancestor is Anglo-Norman and preposterous that the majority of Englishmen who have royal descent is from that man just happens to be irrelevant to the Plantagenets breeding with their subjects. You think that ignoring the Scottish and Irish about their objections to a close identification with the English are irrelevant, yet they are based on a series of English conquests of their lands and replacement of their identity. You hypocritically think that is a moot/negligable point, but not in the French case towards England--which was more organic in every sense. How have the Celtic languages affected English?"

What on earth is an "organic, symbiotic relationship"? You are exposing your royalist fantasies yet again. In fact, a monarchy is a system of government, and like any other it has its advantages and disadvantages. When the people tire of it, they replace it with something else. And to say that to be English is to be anti-Communists is simply factually incorrect. Three of the most notorious Communists of the post-War era - Burgess, Philby, and Maclean - were all English. And to equate true Englishness with James Bond is truly laughable, and really shows the level of your argument. James Bond is a work of fiction, you know. And there you go on about coats of arms yet again - they may be a pet interest of yours, but they are not really that important. And here's something that you may not have realised - when most English people go to France (on shopping trips for example), they always converse with the locals in English, because their French is so bad. And I couldn't care less if you're descended from John of Gaunt or not - have you any idea how many sad inadequates claim an aristocratic ancestry just to make themselves seem more important?

"To sum it up - by your own admission in other words, you are a self-imposing hypocrite with a lot of intolerance to the totality of what makes the English people tick and thrive. I bet you hate the Londoner-Parisian fashion shows that go on every year. Canada retains an Anglo-French culture that your government tried to rip the heart out of in the British Isles; we have recreated it here in North America. You may be hostile to that, but have no right to do so as the Canadian people are a subdivision of the English people. You mate, are the only one insecure (aside from Enzedbrit) about his identity. I couldn't be more proud than I am right now. If I could be there to guard King Henry VI of England recieving the Crown of France, I would put my life on the line to secure his succession. You have no fucking idea what it means to be English; you are some "British establishment" newcomer with entirely different standing/ties to the aristocrats who welcomed the Princes of Orange and Hanover. Your pretence and condescension are contrived and so heartily false that I laugh, because you think you can intimidate a Colonial as somehow inferior as English. I'm not apologising for my English and French surnamed family members, whom are all derived from the lands once de jure and de facto ruled by the Kings of England and France, Norman and Plantagenet. You my friend, are a poseur wannabe--a Liberal posing as Conservative. Lord Loxley 18:51, 15 June 2006 (UTC)" Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Lord_Loxley"

Your insults bore me. Why on earth should I be interested in London fashion shows? And please feel free to go back in time to the coronation of Henry VI if you like - I doubt that you'd last two minutes in the brutal reality of medieval life. As for me having no idea of what it means to be English - I'll ask a simple question: I'm English, and you are not. Who's likely to have a better idea, do you think? TharkunColl 19:57, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Now you're being unfair to me: I've never said anything against the English (indeed I have a much closer connection to England and Britain than most foreigners); you, on the other hand, have clearly said that you don't like the Germans. Ergo, it is your edits that are suspect. (Stpaul 11:02, 10 June 2006 (UTC))

I'm not editing the German people page, so whether I like them or not is irrelevant. In fact, I don't dislike any specific individual Germans. What I dislike is autocracy, fascism, and the sort of people and political mentalities that support it. TharkunColl 11:06, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but if you're willing to leave them out on prejudice then that's obviously wrong. Incidently, you really seem to rub people up the wrong way, but I suppose it's made the Englsh people page the most exciting on the site:-) (Stpaul 08:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC))

Thanks

Thanks for editing my text on English people. I could see that it wasn't well written, but was struggling with a better form of words (I was quite tired when I wrote it). You have managed to make it more readable, while retaining the changes I had made. I have further modified the second part of the section, I hope it is now more neutral in tone. I have also added a few references. Alun 10:46, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Flag of the Falkland Islands

Hello. Would you mind keeping a watch on this article. I recently removed Argentine flag images placed on this page by an anon vandal. However, a rather unpleasant user, User:Mais_oui! has reverted and will probably take it to 3RR limits judging by his behaviour in the past. Thanks. Astrotrain 09:14, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

3RR on British Isles

I have reported you for a violation of the three revert rule. See Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/3RR#User:TharkunColl_reported_by_User:Damac_.28Result:.29 for more details. --Damac 23:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Yet again your at it..removing relevant information.....

Your information is bias and a mark of a bigot...I am jus t stating clear facts on the Irish Government's stance

Civility

Please re-read WP:CIVIL; I feel you may not appreciate that some of your comments can be quite harsh and uncivil, even if you feel you are reacting to provocation and unreasonable behaviour. Zinedine Zidane learnt that this is not the way to act. --Robdurbar 18:14, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Civility

If you and Nkcs don't tone it down I'll have to block you both for Personal Attacks. Please keep it civil. Sebastian Kessel 16:57, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

PS: I left the same message in Nkcs's page

English people

What do you think about trying to get English people semi protected? At least then we could stop an edit war by the anonymous user who just wants to peddle their own POV, anyone without an account or not logged in could not edit the article then. Do you know a friendly admin? I might be able to impose on one. Alun 19:42, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

The same anonymous user is at it on Welsh people now!!! Alun 19:45, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

The page should be protected from your own biased POV, Wobble. 69.157.126.241 20:15, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Request for comments

Feel welcome to add your statement to Talk:English people#Request for Comment: Peoples related to the English. This is a necessary step in dispute resolution. Regards, E Asterion 20:40, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Thar, I really think that you should retract what you said on the BI talk page and apologize. Hope you are man enough to do that, and you will win respect for doing so. MelForbes 00:02, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Monarchs of England and Great Britain

Please stop what you are doing. By coping and pasting from one article to another, the edit history and talk pages are not preserved. If you want to merge articles or make radical changes to them, you should discuss the matter first on the talk pages. Thanks. --JW1805 (Talk) 02:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I simply retitled it in the first place, but you moved it back and I don't know how to revert your move. TharkunColl 02:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I shall continue to revert by copy and paste because I don't know any other way. I have done a lot of work on tjis article today and it is clear that you haven't read it. TharkunColl 02:20, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

• I didn't revert all your changes, just your merger of two formerly separate articles (and also the sucession section that was deleted. Any reason for that?). The Kingdom of England is different from the Kingdom of Great Britain and the United Kingdom. There are a whole series of interconnected articles on these topics. You can't just willy-nilly merge two of them without discussion. There are Request for Merge and Request for Move proceedures you should use if you feel a change should be made. Thanks, --JW1805 (Talk) 02:27, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I did not merge two articles. The Kingdom of England article has often contained the monarchs to the present day, I simply retitled it. I touched no other article. But now, because of you, its talk page and history is lost. TharkunColl 02:28, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

• I don't think so. There is no longer a Kingdom of England. Listing the House of Hanover and House of Windsor as the monarchs of the Kingdom of England is not correct. The article was List of the monarchs of the Kingdom of England. That is where the page history is and should be. {By the way, when I say you merged two article, what I meant was pasted in the content from List of monarchs of Great Britain....technically not a merge, I grant you). --JW1805 (Talk) 02:34, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

The British state is the successor to the English state. It makes no historical sense to draw an arbitrary line at 1707, because very little changed in that year. Some of the very earliest kings of England were also kings of Britain - please have a look at the article. PS I was the one who wrote the Great Britain article! TharkunColl 02:37, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

• The British state is also the sucessor to the Scottish state as well. It most certainly makes sense to draw the line in 1707 when the two kingdoms merged. If you disagree, start a discussion on the Talk pages and everybody can discuss. But, please stop moving my cut-and-paste. This is against policy and really messes things up. Please see Help:Moving a page. --JW1805 (Talk) 02:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

All reference books list English and British monarchs in one list. Scotland was annexed by the English state - it was not a merger of equals. Anyway, I'm going to bed. I shall continue to revert tomorrow. TharkunColl 02:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

• That's an interesting viewpoint. Maybe you should read the text of the 1707 Act of Union to learn about what really happened. You should also read Misplaced Pages:Concensus and Misplaced Pages:NPOV to find out how Misplaced Pages works (also check out Misplaced Pages:3RR). --JW1805 (Talk) 02:49, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

User page

Excuse me, but why? It is very inconvenient to anybody who wants to leave a message for you to click on your name and arrive at an edit page. If it's just the color issue, and not the issue of having a user page, I believe you can change the color to red without deleting the page, but I'm not sure how to do that - it would be something you do in your preferences. You could ask User:Gryffindor, who has done this. If you just really really don't want a user page, I'm not sure what to say. What's the issue, exactly? john k 11:49, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

So it's the color, rather than the existence of a user page? I could ask User:Gryffindor for you, if you'd like. john k 11:55, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Perosnal Attacks

Tharkcun - whatever the provocation, personal attacks such as that on British Isles (terminology) are unacceptable; please desist. --Robdurbar 18:10, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

is it tru british peeople have ugly crooked teeth? i luv british dudes smile & you can tell teir teeth are awful! gross! cant tey get it checked like twice a year? no shit. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAH! come & get me wiki!

Whoever wrote the 'sentence' above (is it tru...) is practically illiterate and obviously has no idea what true British people look like. I would like to delete their comments but I will leave them in place so that people can see what they have written. 86.142.110.105 19:57, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Falkland/Malvinas

Dear Tharcun:

May I kindly ask you to remove your recent comment on the "Malvinas" from the section "Islas Falkland" in the Falkland Islands talk page, possibly opening a separate section? The two issues are naturally related but not the same, and I am afraid that messing the two discussions together may further diffuse the argument which is complicated enough even without that. Best, Apcbg 11:26, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Muhammad

Please do not engage in trolling on article talk pages, as you appear to have done on Talk:Muhammad. I suggest that you have a look at Misplaced Pages:Etiquette. -- ChrisO 14:14, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Roman Calendar Conversion Tables

As the generator of the reconstruction which is the basis of the tables you have added to this article, you have placed me in a very dificult position. I do not wish to appear possessive of my reconstruction of the pre-Julian calendar, so I am not going to just delete them, but I also strongly believe that they really should not appear here, and that they are entirely inappropriate for Misplaced Pages. There are two reasons for this:

-- You give no indication of how uncertain, indeed controversial, these conversion tables are. I have gone to a great deal of trouble in my source tables to indicate the basis for each conversion, so that the user can judge for themselves whether to trust it. This is completely lost in your table.

-- They bulk up the article without adding much value

I have other concerns. For example, the selection criterion for "significant events" appears to be arbitrary, since their significance (calendrical? historical?) is almost entirely non-obvious. But the basic issue is why should these tables appear at all in a Misplaced Pages article.

Please reconsider this matter carefully.

--Chris Bennett 02:07, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I understand that your main intent is to convert pre-Julian dates of significant historical events to Julian dates. I agree that this would illustrate in a concrete way how different the two calendars are. I'd like to suggest a slightly different approach: identify a list of important non-calendrical events that have precise pre-Julian dates and set up a table listing just those events, with their pre-Julian dates and the Julian equivalents. I'd suggest confining yourself to 190BC-AD1, and focussing on events before 45 BC, although there should certainly be events such as the fall of Alexandria. Such a table should have an introductory statement that your conversions are based on my reconstruction (with a link), and a caveat that this reconstruction is not certain, but that it is based on an analysis of the available evidence.

--Chris Bennett 15:23, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Anglophobia

Hi, you might be interested in the discussion over at Talk:Anglophobia, much of what is included in this article seems to me to be little more than a list of justifications for anti-English feeling in various parts of the world, rather than an article about Anglophobia. Thought you migh have some constructive insights. Cheers, Alun 16:58, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Block

Hello. You are not permitted to say "it now transpires that there actually are Muslims who are prepared to admit that sex with children is wrong." You have been blocked from editing for 48 hours for that provocation. You must ensure that such exclamations are not repeated. Thx. El_C 00:26, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Image:Flag of Mercia.png listed for deletion

ARA San Luis

Hey, I don't know if you seen the recent actions over at ARA San Luis- an article about an Argentine Navy submarine that saw action in the Falklands War. A recent edit war saw me banned (wrongly I might add!) for 3RR in removing/amedning an incorrect Spanish insertion of the word "Malvinas". Whilst I agree with the inclusion of the word in the main Falkland Islands page (mainly to avoid edit wars etc)- I am uncomfortable with its widespread use in the English wikipedia. Any thoughts would be welcome. Thanks Astrotrain 00:33, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

List of founders of major religions

You just added ? Gardner to the list, as the founder of Wicca. I'm not sure that many people would agree that Wicca is a major religion, or that Gardner founded it. This is not an area of expertise for me, but I have the strong impression that many people were involved (and still are) in developing Wicca, which is far from a unified movement. Declaring one person as the "founder" might be construed as POV by people who don't follow him. Zora 08:40, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Stop

Stop adding POV, and misleading statements to the QEII article, you are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on an article. Just because you don't like the truth, does not mean you can ignore policy and disregard talk pages, where you should be talking about this civilly. Brian | (Talk) 23:13, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Why are you trying to deny that Her Majesty IS Queen of New Zealand, and that roll is completely separate from her UK roll, why should only one of her rolls to mentioned, when she is Queen of 16 Realms? While she resides in the UK and has more direct daily contact, that is no excuse to mislead readers in the intro. IMO the title of this article needs changing as well. Brian | (Talk) 23:32, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Her Majesties other Realms will not become republics, I, who lives in one of her Realms, is horrified you would even suggest that we would become a Republic.

TharkunColl, Why are you trying to offend people in the other Commonwealth Realms? I find it disturbing. Please stop this. Bailrigg 04:35, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

But a growing number of us aren't Brian... --Lholden 01:40, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

One day we'll get rid of the lazy greedy freeloading bunch of hangers on in Great Britain as well. Elizabeth Windsor can then go somewhere else to be queen if she wants (and more importantly if any population is so deluded as to want the useless bigots). To paraphrase Monty Python strange women is no basis for a system of government, what you want is a mandate from the masses not some farsical... ceremony. I enjoyed Johann Hari's God save the Queen?. Alun 20:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Why are you trying to offend people in the other Commonwealth Realms? I find it disturbing. Please stop this.

List of the monarchs of the Kingdom of England

This list is an article which I believe could become featured. Quite rightly, you reverted my addition of the table, which I should have discussed first. After looking at two other featured lists, List of French monarchs and List of Portuguese monarchs I believe we can do better. Obviously there would be a set style for every house, not just Normandy (I chose Normandy as that's what I have most info about). Are you interested in improving the article? If you are let me know! Thanks. --Alex (Talk) 00:53, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Of course. I'll continue today, with the tables, which will be in my sandbox if you want to see/help. Thanks. --Alex (Talk) 12:13, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Could you possibly take a look at Talk:List of the monarchs of the Kingdom of England#Location? I personally think it would be better with the name List of English monarchs. --Alex (Talk) 21:04, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Are you going to be doing any sections in my sandbox? I don't want to edit conflict you! --Alex (Talk) 17:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't really have time to do the full boxes, I'm just editing details at the moment. TharkunColl 17:03, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Please don't edit the sandbox for a bit, I'm sorting out the widths. Thanks. --Majorly (Talk) 00:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

OK it's pretty much done. There are probably a few errors here and there, but I think it's ready to move onto the article. I'll do it house by house later. --Majorly (Talk) 01:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Can you list at the bottom where you're getting your info from? --Majorly (Talk) 22:23, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

It's from the archontology site: . TharkunColl 22:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, it's probably best not to remove dates, so they are just months. Change them by all means, but don't remove any that are there. --Majorly (Talk) 22:26, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

In the cases where the dates are not known, we can only in all accuracy give the month based on the predecessor's death. Proclamation may have been a day or more later. TharkunColl 22:30, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

The dates are known for various monarchs, according to my sources. It's better to have a full date than no date. --Majorly (Talk) 22:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Not if it's wrong, or just based on the predecessor's death. TharkunColl 22:34, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Three published books are unlikely to be wrong. And if the accession isn't known, the coronation date, or the date of the predecessor should be used. --Majorly (Talk) 22:37, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Did those 3 books all agree? And what is their level of academic thoroughness? Giving wrong dates is worse than giving no dates. Death of predecessor and coronation are not the same as proclamation, which could coincide with either or neither. TharkunColl 22:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

They agreed on most dates (they are listed at the bottom of the article), and when they didn't I used the date which two or all had the same. Anyway, I have an idea: if the exact date isn't known, the next best date (i.e. coronation, date of predecessor) can be used, and a note could be added explaining. It's just I'm not keen on dates like "July 1189" which to me look too vague. --Majorly (Talk) 22:45, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

They are certainly more vague than we might wish, but the fact is that during the earlier part of our period proclamation dates have simply gone unrecorded. By giving a spurious concrete date such as predecessor's death or coronation, we are, in effect giving false information - in addition to giving inconsistent information as well (i.e. we could easily give coronation dates for all of them, but surely not a selected few). It was only the Act of Settlement of 1701 that made accession instantaneous upon the death of the predecessor. TharkunColl 22:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Lay off the English monarchs page.

Unnecessary deletion of parts does not help anyone.

Please leave it be.

Tharkie:)

Tharkie, I have tried to mail you, did you get my mail? Please don't be a stranger:)Merkinsmum 08:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Falklands Sovereignty

Ok then, so what's the problem? Last time I looked talk page discussion was not a prerequisite for adding properly sourced points. The point is valid, the source satisfied WP:RS, what are your grounds for reversion?

Xdamr 00:21, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Image:Ac.thequeen.jpg

Hello!

I noticed that you restored Image:Ac.thequeen.jpg in List of English monarchs (diff). Since Image:Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom.jpg is a free image it is prefereable over Image:Ac.thequeen.jpg, which is a fair use image.

If you could figure out a way to provide proper attribution to the photographer in the table that would really help out. I have also considered cropping Image:Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom.jpg, but I am not sure how to do that technically.

Sincerely, --Oden 14:36, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that you reverted once again and wrote: "Restored the much better picture" in the edit summary (diff). The first fair use criteria, which is policy, says " Always use a more free alternative if one is available". There are many free images to choose from at Commons:Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom. I will leave it to your judgement as an editor to choose the free image which best illustrates that article. --Oden 21:39, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

"British Isles"

I have twice removed this term from the Template:English dialects box and will be doing so for a third time after posting this notice.

Ireland is not a "British Isle." It is an Irish Isle. The term "British" refers to "Britain," the larger island just east of Ireland. Just because the term "British Isles" is more concise than "The United Kingdom, the Republic of Ireland and the Isle of Man" does not make the term acceptable.

Perhaps I can explain why applying the term "British Isles" to Irealnd is so offensive. In past years, Asians were called "Orientals." Oriental means Eastern, and implies that Asian people are defined, not by their own culture, but by their relationship to Europe(ie. they are east of Europe.) The term is Euro-centric and entirely unacceptable. I could point out a litany of such terms to define a people that were once acceptable in polite society but are no longer. (African American wikipedians will instantly recognize the specific term that I am implying.)

Frederick Douglass told us that slaves and dogs are named by others, but that free men name themselves. The Irish, and Ireland, are not defined as a variation on Britain, or by their relationship to Britain.

Please stop reverting to "British Isles." It is offensive.

To debate this issue further, visit Talk:British Isles Windyjarhead 16:30, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

You say "And nor is the term offensive to most Irish - it is used in a purely neutral, geographical sense by Irish government ministers and members of parliament, for example." I wonder, what do you base that statement on?

It is my experience that the term is officially used neither by the Irish government, nor by the British government.

By the way, if I were removing anti-Semitic language from articles, would I be "pushing a political agenda?" Windyjarhead 16:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh Tharkie. I won't say anything except LOL:)Merkinsmum 02:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Thark, are you on the wine? Hope you have a nice new year! MelForbes 00:59, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

British Isles (controversy)

Thank you for your contribution, It's a good article :-) ShakespeareFan00 15:54, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I created it because the British Isles article was getting too long. TharkunColl 15:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow. I nominated it for Did You Know. --Majorly 16:12, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I cannot take credit for writing most of it, I simply put it into a new article. TharkunColl 16:14, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

First, sorry for the text on the other page. Totally my mistake. Second, the main point..

Will you also move all the links that pointed to the sections of the British Isles page that you have unilaterally moved? If you are not prepared to do that, I will revert the British Isles page to its original messy but evolved state.

Even if you are prepared to do that, such a major unilateral edit to the page is unjustified. Please get consensus BEFORE such a change. Hughsheehy 16:07, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

What links? Anything that pointed to British Isles will still go there, and a link to British Isles (controversy) is in the first paragraph. Why is there a problem? If you know of any specific examples (which I don't), then please feel free to edit them yourself. TharkunColl 17:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

English language

Can you source this very interesting statement and then, once sourced, add it to the article (which has no mention of 1066) SqueakBox 00:48, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Your hate of 1066 and all that...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Roman_Empire_about_395.jpg

Well, it looks like it had happened before. The Diocese of Britain was included within the Prefecture of Gaul. Oh, the tragedy! If I were you, I would keep extremist comments about the Battle of Hastings to yourself. Rhode Islander 01:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

You sir, are absolutely fantasizing. The Christian Anglo-Saxons hated the pagan Northmen, from Alfred the Great, to Ethelred the Unready, to Harold Godwinson. The Normans were barbaric and semi-Christian Northmen, not the cultured and devoutly Christian Franks. The Anglo-Saxon/French trendsetting in Europe was disrupted in 1066, the pact between Offa of Mercia and Charlemagne lapsing later as a result of the Angevin dynasty's success. Please don't insert pagan fables. Your "religion" is a 20th century form that has nothing to do with reality or the past. Your revanchist dreams will not suffice a "serious encyclopedia" such as this website. We compile from Classical and Latin sources, without regard for your fringe element. Rhode Islander 16:30, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Aleister Crowley would be proud of you, my friend. I don't think that people in the real world give a shit for your revisionist Anglo-Saxonist piety. You lost all that when your empire took liberty from others to fill your own pockets, run by German dynasties out of Saxony. Evil Normans, indeed? Not if the Anglo-Saxonists pursued the same oppressive attitude towards others. Your ideology is a sham. There is no good=Anglo-Saxon, evil=Norman reality. There never is between tribal, regional or ethnic conflicts. So what if your fantasy side lost? Rhode Islander 16:42, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

This is your last warning.
The next time you vandalize a page, as you did to Mary I of England, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. A link to the edit I have reverted can be found here: link. If you believe this edit should not have been reverted, please contact me. Lcarsdata 19:09, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about that. Lcarsdata 19:14, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Template:Kings of Mercia

Since I was making monarch templates, I thought I'd better make {{Kings of Mercia}}. I've also made {{Kings of Wessex}} and {{Kings of Northumbria}}. I haven't added the Mercian one to any articles yet. Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:59, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I can't say I much like stress accents, and I'm apathetic at best about eth and thorn. However, one thing that has to go from your changes is Ceolwulf the Foolish. Not very NPOV. I've updated Ceolwulf II of Mercia. I think the template needs changing to Ceolwulf II. Angus McLellan (Talk) 14:21, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

To be picky, Athelstan was the last king of Mercia who wasn't simultaneously king of Wessex, even if only for a year or so, but since the Burgred article says that he was there's cleanup to be done. Ceolwulf is not referred to as "the Foolish", but as Ceolwulf II, in modern sources. There are no ghits for "Ceolwulf the Foolish". Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:13, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Uh, no

On Maeoniae, you seem to be confused about two things. First, the external links section never contains sources. Those belong in the references section. Second, Misplaced Pages requires RS reliable sources. Sites on free hosting services like angelfire can't be used as sources. And they don't really meet the external linking policy either. That's why I removed them. For one, they're not reliable source, and two, they have popups. Please don't put them back again. A Ramachandran 00:12, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Image:Tantalis.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Tantalis.jpg, has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. — Serpent's Choice 09:39, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Maeoniae

Is amputeeism some sort of erm, special interest of yours?:)Merkinsmum 23:21, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Wulfhere of Mercia

Happy New Year! Nice map you did for Hwicce. Do you have any ideas on illsutrations for Wulfhere of Mercia? All I've got is a crap bog-standard map. Cheers, Angus McLellan (Talk) 16:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

That'll do nicely. Thanks! Angus McLellan (Talk) 17:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

3RR report

I didn't have time to get round to it earlier, but 16-17 Jan you did more than 6 reverts within 24 hours on the United Kingdom infobox map, so I have reported this at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR. You don't have the right to abuse the rules of Misplaced Pages, no matter how heated up politically you get. MarkThomas 21:52, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Those edits were not all reversions to the same map. In fact, I created three different maps based on the discussions and suggestions at Talk:United Kingdom over a period of three days. At no time did I insert the same map more than three times in 24 hours. You, on the other hand, kept reverting to the same map, and did so at least four times in less than 24 hours. TharkunColl 09:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

British Isles

This article has a new Ancient terms section. You had points on the use of pretaniki etc, comments on the geographical/political origins of the term. As far as I recall, we disagreed. But this section looks very useful and well sourced, maybe better than any other encyclopaedia. Thumbs up for WP?--Shtove 00:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Map Creation

• As you are a superb map creator, can you create one for Questenberg after looking at the German Misplaced Pages entry for this area. You may need to slightly translate bits to get it accurate. Thanks! Robert C Prenic 11:25, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Photo order

First it's because Birmingham is the biggest city. When I point out that's not what the page is for, you come up with some other reason. Have you ever considered maybe listening to another editor's viewpoint? MarkThomas 11:48, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

You are mistaking the aim of the article but it's clear to me at any rate that you are also not particularly interested in understanding it, and in fact that you do understand the point but because you resent it, refuse to engage. Other editors have repeatedly pointed out to you that the term "Second City" does not just reside on objective grounds, and the article explains this, yet you persist and persist in your POV that it does. To be honest, I don't see any point really in having discussions of any kind with you, and will not further respond to any points you make, other than to revert your edits wherever (as they so often are) they are pure POV. MarkThomas 15:02, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

"Mohamed (sbuh)"

If I see this again you will be blocked. gren グレン 21:14, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

'Extraordinary People'

Due to the Maeoniae etc, I was wondering if you enjoy the telly show Extraordinary People? it's one of my faves. Hopefully my attempt at an article will survive this time:)Merkinsmum 00:08, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Poseidon trivia

Do you have a source for this dif? Otherwise it's WP:OR. Jeffpw 05:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Muhammad

You seem to like to toe the line. But, don't cross it. Trolling on Talk:Muhammad does not help. It may not have been intentional but bringing up terrorism in such a flippant way will only provoke further annoyance. After your SBUH incident I really don't think I think good faith is running out. Stop. gren グレン 00:05, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Not particularly. I do view it as a really bad idea. In any case, it's not a big deal... but you do understand that such comments are really not helpful and could provoke reaction and accusations and that it's better not to have them there? gren グレン 00:13, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Feel free to report this to WP:AN or some other arena. However, there is no concept of free speech on Misplaced Pages. We try to avoid trolling, incivility, and other things and as we have removed comments from VirtualEye among others we will remove them from you. Please try to be productive. Touting free speech does not help write an encyclopedia. On my talk page you can say what you will but on article talk pages we try to solve article related issues. gren グレン 00:22, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion

Why don't you edit on Depictions of Muhammad instead of continuing in this line of trollery? Here's what you can do: add this image and this image that I added to the Wikimedia Commons today of Muhammad to the article and help improve it? (→Netscott) 01:26, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

An alternate suggestion: go to this site and on the right hand side of the form click the radio box, "Les images numérisées" then enter into the "Légende" area the word "Muhammad". Download what you find and upload to the Wikimedia Commons. You can also enter into the "Légende" area the word "Mahomet". There are both Middle eastern as well as western images of Muhammad there that could do for uploading. (→Netscott) 02:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

A link for you

I was wondering if you might be interested in Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Wikipedians_against_censorship?:)Merkinsmum 03:44, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the link! TharkunColl 07:52, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring

I am not going to edit war with you, I will not revert you again. We are trying to work out a consensus on the mediation page, and you are disrupting it. The discussion in question is under subheading "Undue weight" on the mediation page. InBC 00:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Poll

Since you have stated your views, you might want to also list them at the two polls ongoing. , lest anyone get the idea that the new polls have changed the situation. --Alecmconroy 00:40, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

You have been blocked

Heimstern Läufer 20:33, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

TharkunColl (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I have made a number of different edits to that page today, but on no occasion have I made the same edit more than three times. My first edits placed the Al-Biruni picture in the lead, and my later edits placed a different picture in the lead. I have not broken 3RR. Furthermore, I have received no official warning about breaking 3RR, which, as I understand it, comes before an actual block.

Decline reason:

As per below. — Yamla 03:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

I am not going to process your unblock request because I am involved with the page in question, but I will point out that the WP:3RR policy which you were blocked under says "A revert means undoing the actions of another editor, whether involving the same or different material each time." _InBC 22:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

In that case no one can make more than three edits to a page in any day, no matter how different. That is not how 3RR works. TharkunColl 22:33, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Untrue. The policy is: An editor must not perform more than three reverts, in whole or in part, on a single page within a 24-hour period. A revert means undoing the actions of another editor, whether involving the same or different material each time. It further states that the policy is intended to prevent edit warring, reverts which are clearly not such will not breach the rule. Your edits were cleary edit warring. IrishGuy 22:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

In that case, why haven't the other participants in this so-called "edit war" also been blocked? I was not the only one reverting - on either side of the argument. TharkunColl 22:41, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

You were reverted by 3 different people. You see, if there is a consensus for an idea, you do not need to violate 3RR to make the change. _InBC 22:44, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Maybe 3 people were involved, but at least one of those made numerous reverts. TharkunColl 22:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

When your block wears off you can make 3RR reports where appropriate. _InBC 22:49, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

And in the meantime, I am to be singled out and gagged? All I was doing was reverting to the overwhelming consensus as expressed in a free vote of editors. TharkunColl 22:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I had a close look at the history of the article after I blocked you. As far as I could see, no user except you reverted more than three times in 24 hours (although many came close, which is not something to be encouraged). Heimstern Läufer 00:47, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, User:Future Perfect at Sunrise reverted four times on 6-7 March (not counting one for vandalism), but I saw no purpose in reporting it (and still don't - it is only an observation.)

I understand why TharkunColl is upset that the consensus developed during mediation isn't being followed - however, speaking as one who had reverted him - counsel greater moderation in approaching this matter.

TharkunColl, as the attempted censorship has slowly come to the attention of the wider community, it is being rejected by greater and greater margins. Getting blocked doesn't help, while inflammatory comments (from which I note you have indeed refrained as of late) simply give a bad name to the policies we mean to uphold, and make editors who oppose the presence of depictions look like victims. This is (or should be) a respectable academic enterprise, and it falls upon us to conduct ourselves accordingly. Keeping a cool head isn't always easy, and this discussion which has dragged on for over four months as new against depictions are constantly invented, is admittedly taxing, but flying off the handle, verbally or edit-wise (3RR) only makes things worse.

I invite you to admit your responsibility here, and pledge to mind 3RR and avoid edit-warring in the future.Proabivouac 01:48, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

In the meantime, I notice you've the talent and inclination to create maps. As it happens, we need a map showing Muhammad's migrations and conquests. Is this something that would interest you?Proabivouac 01:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

My block should have expired 5 hours ago, but it is still in place. It was imposed at 20:33 UTC on 11 March for a period of 31 hours, and should therefore have expired at 03:33 UTC on 13 March (today). TharkunColl 08:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Y	Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s): Autoblock of 82.37.234.110 lifted or expired. Request handled by:  Netsnipe  ►  10:02, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

awards

Have you seen the awards I put upon your user page? Someone told me afterwards I should really put them on this talkpage instead so you can do with them as you will:) But I hope u like them:)Merkinsmum 17:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

3RR violation

You have violated Misplaced Pages:Three-revert rule on The Great Global Warming Swindle. Please see WP:AN/3RR. Lurker 19:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

No, I haven't. The first two on that list could have been made with a single edit, and in any case are nothing to do with the second two on the list which refer to a totally different part of the article. TharkunColl 19:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with TharkunColl, the WP:3RR policy states the multiple uninterrupted edits by a user are considered to be only 1 revert. It looks as though there have been 3 reverts by TharkunColl, not more than 3. _InBC 01:47, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. However TUC is wrong to think that the "unrelatedness" matters William M. Connolley 10:24, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry

After looking at the 3RR rules, it seems as though I was wrong to report you. I misunderstood the policy and thought the first two edits I reported counted as reverts. It seems they didn't. You have my unreserved apology Lurker 14:47, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

List of English monarchs

I'm changing the date to follow what the source says, not my own knowledge. I cannot find a single source saying he acceded on 24 November, however I found many saying 23 November. If you cannot find a source for it, I'll have to change it back. Btw I'm not singling it out, I'm referencing the whole list monarch by monarch so it can become featured. Majorly _{(o rly?)} 14:48, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

All the monarchs are listed on the Archontology website. Using a different source for each monarch makes the list inconsistent. TharkunColl 15:35, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I couldn't find Edwy on it. It makes it even more accurate if a variety of sources are used. If you can find the Edwy page, can you please add it to the references? Thanks. Majorly _{(o rly?)} 15:40, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Every monarch on our list can be found on the following pages at Archontology:

• 871-1066
• 1066-1649
• 1649-1660
• 1660-1707
• 1707-1801
• 1801-present

The Archontology website, with its lavish references, is clearly a far superior source to most other lists, which in many cases just copy each other and perpetuate erroneous information (such as the idea that early medieval monarchs succeeded immediately upon the death of their predecessor, which is in fact a modern invention). I suggest that to keep the whole thing accurate and consistent, we use the Archontology website as our primary source throughout. TharkunColl 17:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I've used it as far as I can. It doesn't, however list parents' names, marriages etc in all cases so I've had to use other references for those things. Majorly _{(o rly?)} 17:48, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

mail

Tharkie forgive me the off-topic thing but I just wanted to say I have mailed you at one of your yahoo addresses. Because I'm not sure how often you check there but I know you look on here:)Merkinsmum 00:15, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Muhammad/images

There is a current consensus here: Talk:Muhammad/images#New_Version. Please respect this consensus. _InBC 16:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

No one respected the old consensus, which was overwhelming. It is not democratic to keep taking votes until you get the result you want, by driving people away with fatigue. I do not respect any so-called consensus created under such circumstances. There is a very important principle here. TharkunColl 18:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Consensus can change, there are plenty of depictions including one at the very top, the unveiled one is just below it. This is not a censorship issue anymore, and even if it was that would not justify edit warring. _InBC 19:41, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Ceolwald of Mercia

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Ceolwald of Mercia, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Misplaced Pages is not" and Misplaced Pages's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Meyer 17:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I've replaced the "propose deletion" template after you deleted it because the two reasons you cited for retaining the page don't hold:

1. Red links on the list page are easily mended by removing the brackets. Inclusion on a list doesn't mean the subject is notable enough for its own page.
2. The one book referenced in this article, Ashley's The Mammoth Book of British Kings and Queens (also referenced as "British Monarchs"), is noted by other WP editors for not referencing its sources (see Eanfrith of Hwicce). If the one cited source isn't verifiable, you can't justify the subject's notability.

--Meyer 18:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

The source is Mike Ashley. To dispute him would be to indulge in original research. Please refer to my comments on your user page. TharkunColl 18:06, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

British Isles intro

Good edit! I dropped the brackets, hope that's OK with you. I predict this edit, whilst accurate, will be reverted by others for unclear reasons. Happy to help with it. MarkThomas 19:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay thanks - yes, that's fine. TharkunColl 21:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi TharkunColl. I´ll ask here rather for you to produce some references rather than repeating again and again on the BI talk page, although I may continue to do that. If you, or someone else cannot produce citations, then they must be presumed NOT TO EXIST. I haven´t found them. You aren´t producing them. Presumption for WP ...that they don´t exist. Hughsheehy 08:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Citations for what? TharkunColl 08:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I also would find it helpful if you would say exactly what it is you want citing Hugh, I've got a little lost in the maze of referencing demands! :-) MarkThomas 09:36, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

You have both asserted that the objection in Ireland is minority and that the term is used "generally" elsewhere. You have not provided any refs to support either position, yet you continue to insist that it is so. Without refs you have no ground to stand on. Also, there is no maze (which point I will put on MarkThomas user page also), simply a consistent - and so far unanswered - request for citations to support your position. Hughsheehy 21:56, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I have not asserted that the objection in Ireland is held only by a majority. What I have said, repeatedly, is that we simply don't know. As for "generally", it doesn't need a citation because it is not saying anything specific. TharkunColl 22:23, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

IRA killings

You might be interested to see what is happening here Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 April 9 Check my user logs and you will quickly see the agenda here...Gaimhreadhan • 19:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC)