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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz 08:11, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Kehinde Ipaye

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I can't find much SIGCOV to establish notability. Almost all the sources if not all were about his company which are too not notable per WP: ORG. No way yet for meeting GNG. Fails business people guideline for notability. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 14:51, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Delete: Fails WP:GNG and per nominator. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 23:49, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

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Jackie Adedeji

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WP:BLP of a journalist and podcaster, not properly referenced as passing notability standards for journalists or podcasters. As always, journalists are not "inherently" notable just because content they created exists, and the notability test hinges on the reception of significant third-party coverage about them and their work -- but this is referenced almost entirely to primary sources that were self-published by companies or organizations she was directly affiliated with (e.g. documentary films that she appeared in "sourced" to their own presence on a streaming platform rather than media coverage about the films, podcast directories, etc.) or glancing namechecks of her existence in coverage that isn't about her (e.g. her name getting briefly mentioned in coverage whose primary subject is the celebrities who were on her podcast rather than her). There's only one footnote here, #6, that actually represents coverage about her in a WP:GNG-worthy source, and that isn't enough by itself. Bearcat (talk) 13:33, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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Delete: BBC ref is solid, rest are in sources of iffy reliability. Most coverage I find is in tabloids or other websites mostly describing her ample chest. There seems to have been a documentary on Channel 4 about her struggles with body image and large breasts, but most coverage is not in RS, more focused on her chest. Oaktree b (talk) 14:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
I feel if we had at least one other decent source about her, we'd be at notability. I'm surprised more media hasn't picked up on her message of positivity and acceptance. Oaktree b (talk) 14:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Comment: Only other sources I find are in Nigerian media and , which are trivial coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 14:51, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

The result was delete‎. Ineligible for soft deletion, but I don't see another spin engendering input where the first two didn't. Happy to restore upon request without DRV Star Mississippi 01:04, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Kesatuan Gurita

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Once again, I'd like to propose the deletion of this article. Initially, my awareness of this unit arose from its presence on Misplaced Pages, prompting me to contribute and expand it beyond its initial stub status. However, I encountered significant challenges due to the scarcity of available sources. A search yielded only around 9-10 books, all of which contained very similar information, suggesting a common source, likely the oldest among them. Furthermore, the information from these books has already been incorporated into the article, resulting in a mere three-sentence paragraph.

Moreover, my efforts to find reliable Indonesian-language sources proved unfruitful, despite the unit's affiliation with the Indonesian military. I expected to find references to it within documents from the Indonesian National Armed Forces or Indonesian Navy, or possibly in the archives of the National Archives of Indonesia if it held historical significance. However, my inquiries only led to wiki-like websites and forums, all drawing from the same pool of information found in the books.

While the term "gurita" (octopus) is commonly used within Indonesian navy contexts, associations with units such as the 5th Marine Infantry Battalion, which bears the nickname "Gurita Cakti," and naval special force task force known as Satgas Gurita, a military training codename for operations like hostage rescue, counterterrorism, and securing critical facilities (see 1 for reference), both appear unrelated to the unit in question.

Consequently, I am inclined to believe that this unit may be fictitious, with the information provided in the books possibly stemming from a misunderstanding or error. It's important to acknowledge that even reliable sources are not infallible. Ckfasdf (talk) 13:33, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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Comment - Based on my limited research, I do think the unit truly existed. An article in RRI showed that the unit existed. Another news article that mentioned it are Jatim Network which is less reliable than RRI. However, I do realize that RRI may have taken the information from wrong sources as well - as it seems very odd that the unit is similar with Denjaka or Taifib but somehow get way less coverage. ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 14:03, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

@SunDawn: I'm inclined to think that RRI might also have inaccurate information, considering it was only briefly mentioned in that article. And, the statement from RRI contradicts other sources, as it suggests that the unit is part of the Indonesian Marine Corps, while other sources in those books indicate that it is an Indonesian Navy Special Forces unit. Additionally, as you pointed out, it's quite unusual that we couldn't locate any dedicated coverage for this unit. Moreover, after looking into the regulations on armed forces organization throughout history, none of them mention anything about this unit, whereas they do mention other special forces units like Denjaka or Taifib. IMO, this is a case of WP:NPOSSIBLE, as there are few or no suitable sources that could be cited to expand this article. Ckfasdf (talk) 02:46, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

I am looking at Indonesian military documents today and it seems like "Kesatuan Gurita" is never mentioned everywhere. For instance, this document mentioned all others in passing - Denjaka, Taifib, and Kopaska - but not Gurita. I can see official documents about others but searches to Gurita give no information. The problem of this is that it is mentioned in books, thus the unit is not entirely fictional. It is possible that at some point Gurita existed but it is merged or renamed to other unit. ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 07:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

@SunDawn: The absence of any mention of the unit "Kesatuan Gurita" in official Indonesian armed forces or navy sources raises doubts about its existence. This unit is only referenced in approximately 9-10 books, which all provide similar information. However, the lack of corroborating evidence suggests a potential misunderstanding or misinterpretation by the authors, possibly due to the unfamiliarity of the terminology to non-native speakers of Indonesian. It's plausible that they confused "Kesatuan Gurita" with the legitimate military task force "Satgas Gurita" (an abbreviation of "Satuan Tugas Gurita"), as mentioned earlier. And, especially considering that the word of "Kesatuan" is unheard of in Indonesian military terminology, with the word of "Satuan" being the more commonly used term.Ckfasdf (talk) 08:28, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

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The result was redirect‎ to Rowing at the 1968 Summer Olympics – Men's coxed pair. Liz 05:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Ștefan Tarasov

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Fails WP:NOLY or any other pertinent category, came 9th in only race participated in. Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 14:02, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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Tarasov competed at at least four World Championship rowing tournaments in addition to the Olympics, including a top-5 finish at the 1967 champs .

Proposed WP:ATD: Redirect to Rowing at the 1968 Summer Olympics – Men's coxed pair, so as to preserve the page history. --Habst (talk) 15:16, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to Rowing at the 1968 Summer Olympics – Men's coxed pair, as per WP:ATD. Ingratis (talk) 13:00, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:42, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Worldwide Records

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This appears to be a non-notable record label with no significant coverage in reliable sources, as required by WP:CORPDEPTH. Most of the currently cited sources aren't reliable, and those that are reliable only provide passing mention or provide routine coverage. GSS  14:01, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Comment: The article was created and mostly edited by now-blocked socks of Alizulfikarzahedi, along with a few anonymous users who could potentially be the same individuals evading blocks. I haven't observed any substantial edits by others, so this could be eligible for deletion under WP:G5. GSS  14:24, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
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Delete: Appears to be spam. Too much press release and unreliable sources used as source. @T.C.G. 17:25, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Delete. Mostly unreliable sources, sources with link errors and somewhat reliable source there is like BBC, it has no depth coverage about the company or its background. It is more about who the company signed or dealt with. Per nom, the page is also eligible for deletion per WP:G5. RangersRus (talk) 13:43, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

The result was keep‎. Star Mississippi 22:00, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Yuan Yuan (actor)

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The article (more of a filmography list) has no inline citation. Has no corresponding article in any other wiki (rare for a foreign actor). Has one generic external link reference. The majority of the roles played by the actor were minor and were part of mostly non-notable works. I was unable to find any significant in-depth coverage from reliable publications (in English) that warrants GNG or WP:NACTOR. If anyone's able to find sources in foreign languages, please list them. X (talk) 03:01, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Misplaced Pages:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
1. Chen, Bin 陈滨 (2016-07-13). ""配角"袁苑《解密》里再火一把演技在身才是硬道理" . Beijing Evening News (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-03-21. Retrieved 2024-03-21 – via China News Service.
  The article notes: "近40年的演艺生涯，大大小小一百多个角色，虽然一直以反派大配角著称，但其实袁苑的戏路非常宽，正反两路驾轻就熟，无论是大“配”还是小“配”，抑或和当今最吃香的“小鲜肉”同镜，袁苑都会各自出彩，散发出角色的魅力。《解密》中，袁苑这个传达室的“王主任”，和众腕飙演技互斗，成为推动剧情不可或缺的重要力量。袁苑目光炯炯，63岁依旧保持一副硬朗的身板，除了一头白发显示出年龄，那张有名的“大扁脸”配上粗黑的眉毛，棱角分明里还藏着一种年轻人勃发的气息。"
  From Google Translate: "In his acting career of nearly 40 years, he has played more than a hundred roles, large and small. Although he has always been known as a villain and a supporting role, Yuan Yuan actually has a very wide range of roles, and he is very familiar with both positive and negative roles, whether it is a major "partner" or a small "partner" ”, or in the same scene as the most popular “little fresh meat” today, Yuan Yuan will shine in his own way and exude the charm of the character. In Decoded, Yuan Yuan, the "Director Wang" of the communication room, competes with the acting skills of the actors and becomes an indispensable and important force in promoting the plot. Yuan Yuan has sharp eyes, and he still maintains a strong body at the age of 63. In addition to his white hair that shows his age, his famous "big flat face" with thick black eyebrows, there is a kind of youthful exuberance hidden in the sharp edges. breath."
2. Yi, Fu 伊夫 (2001-04-13). "袁苑、吴颖--走向成熟的明星夫妇(附图)" (in Chinese). Sina Corporation. Archived from the original on 2024-03-21. Retrieved 2024-03-21.
  The article notes: "外貌粗犷、棱角分明的袁苑，早在80年代就已经成为影视圈的明星。鉴于他的表演生动、形象鲜明，因此他所塑造的一系列角色都给观众留下深刻的印象和好感。当电影尚未在大陆失宠的日子里，袁苑便在电影界及早地占据了自己应有的位置。"
  From Google Translate: "Yuan Yuan, who has a rough appearance and sharp edges, has become a star in the film and television industry as early as the 1980s. In view of his vivid and vivid performances, a series of characters he created left a deep impression and favor on the audience. Before movies fell out of favor in mainland China, Yuan Yuan occupied his rightful place in the film industry early."
  The article notes: "如果仅凭外表判断，袁苑看似一个粗人。然而，袁苑不仅擅长在台前公开表演，同时也能在幕后做导演和干制片。曾经袁苑与夫人吴颖就联手独立制片、编剧并导演了一部20集电视连续剧《喇叭声烈》，这部作品凝结了他们夫妇的心血，也展示了他们的才智。此外，袁苑又以独立制片人的身份，陆续与上海电影制片厂等多家电影制片厂合作，拍摄了《夺命惊魂上海滩》等一系列影片。"
  From Google Translate: "If you judge only by appearance, Yuan Yuan looks like a rough man. However, Yuan Yuan is not only good at public performances in front of the stage, but can also be a director and producer behind the scenes. Yuan Yuan and his wife Wu Ying once teamed up to independently produce, write and direct a 20-episode TV series "The Sound of the Trumpet". This work condensed the hard work of the couple and also demonstrated their talents. In addition, as an independent producer, Yuan Yuan has successively cooperated with many film studios such as Shanghai Film Studio to shoot a series of films such as "The Beach"."
3. "人才天地 article". 人才天地 (in Chinese). 1984. p. 33. Retrieved 2024-03-21 – via Google Books.
  The article notes: ""渐渐地,他和那个时代所有的孩子一样,他的梦模糊了,幻灭了,袁苑在十六岁那年穿上了军装。三年后便复员到北京汽车修配公司当了工人。当他拖着疲惫的双腿走在回家的路上,儿时的彩色的梦又浮现出来,并且渐渐清晰了。当海员,阴错阳差,误了报考时机;那么,去演电影,对,当一个电影演员多神气! .他精心浏览了当时唯一的几部片子,看到影片中人物的矫揉造作,他的信心更坚定了。他愤愤地说: “那都叫什么?假模假式的。我能比他们演得好! ”当人们知道他想当电影演员时,就有好心人拐着弯劝他死了这条心: “袁苑,你很聪明,也很能干,有表演天才,可是 ..." ,"
  From Google Translate: ""Gradually, like all children of that era, his dreams became blurred and disillusioned. Yuan Yuan put on a military uniform at the age of sixteen. Three years later, he was demobilized and worked as a worker in a Beijing automobile repair company. When He dragged his tired legs on the way home, and the colorful dreams from his childhood resurfaced and gradually became clearer. To be a sailor, by some mistake, he missed the opportunity to apply for the exam; then, to act in a movie, yes, to be a movie The actor is so impressive! He carefully browsed the only few films at that time, and his confidence was strengthened when he saw the artificiality of the characters in the film. He said angrily: "What are they called? Fake." I can act better than them!" When people knew that he wanted to be a movie actor, some well-meaning people persuaded him to give up his ambition: "Yuan Yuan, you are very smart, very capable, and have acting talent. But...""
4. An, Li 安力 (2008-03-05). "著名演员袁苑慰问大会堂外围执勤女警(图)" (in Chinese). Qianlong. Archived from the original on 2024-03-21. Retrieved 2024-03-21 – via Sina Corporation.
  The article notes: "今天是全国人大会议召开的第一天，下午，首都艺术家协会副会长，著名电影演员袁苑带领协会的演职人员来到了西长安街派出所"
  From Google Translate: "Today is the first day of the National People's Congress. In the afternoon, Yuan Yuan, the vice president of the Capital Artists Association and a famous film actor, led the actors and actresses of the association to the West Chang'an Street Police Station."
5. "自己制片自己演袁苑人到中年再搏一把" (in Chinese). Sina Corporation. 2000-03-30. Archived from the original on 2024-03-21. Retrieved 2024-03-21.
  The article notes: "做演员已经十几年的袁苑，因为长像不讨好，一直以演反派人物为主，这几年，脸谱化的反面形象不时兴了，袁苑也就没戏可演了。"
  From Google Translate: "Yuan Yuan, who has been an actor for more than ten years, has always played villains because of his unflattering appearance. In recent years, facial expressions of negative images have become out of fashion, and Yuan Yuan has no role to play."
6. "资料：演员袁苑个人档案(附图)" (in Chinese). Sina Corporation. 2008-04-23. Archived from the original on 2024-03-21. Retrieved 2024-03-21.The page notes that Yuan Yuan was born in Beijing in December 1953.
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Yuan Yuan (Chinese: 袁苑) to pass Misplaced Pages:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
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Keep: Sources above are fine, I think we have notability. I can't find anything extra to add, but given the person's age, they are likely to be found in paper sources. Oaktree b (talk) 14:53, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Keep per the sources found by Cunard. Mccapra (talk) 21:34, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

The result was delete‎. Liz 23:41, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

G M Mostafizul Alam

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There is no indication of notability. The Award is not notable, and the coverage, which is mostly about the award, is not enough to pass notability guidelines. One article mentions an assault on him, but that would not be enough. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 13:35, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - I did a web search and did not find any significant coverage. The only independent coverage I found were reports on his being assaulted at the NIDW in 2015, and winning an award from Transparency National Bangladesh, also in 2015. I don't find anything with significant coverage of the person. Neither being thrown out of an office nor winning a minor journalism award amounts to notability. I do not read Bengali, so it's possible there is coverage that I am not seeing, but neither the sources I have been able to find nor anything currently in the article indicates that that is the case. CodeTalker (talk) 01:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Delete per nom & per CodeTalker. No WP:SIGCOV, fails WP:GNG. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 15:46, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Keep - I found his profile in Earth Journalism Network , Mr. Alam also got notable awards from TIB which is a renowned organization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.29.181.97 (talk) 15:43, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
The EJN page is just a database entry and does not provide significant coverage or contribute to notability. Did he really receive multiple "awards" from TIB? As far as I can see, he received the award only once, in 2015. CodeTalker (talk) 18:40, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
G M Mostafizul Alam won single award for his investigative journalism. Which is a notable/remarkable award from TIB. EJN won't entry anyone's name in their database unless they're not their enlisted correspondent or journalist. 175.29.181.97 (talk) 09:16, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

* Keep - per 175.29.181.97 (talk), TIB is a notable organization and their awards are also notable. NisoBird (talk) 18:36, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Keep per 175.29.181.97 and NisoBird. Mr. Mostafizul Alam is a renowned journalist in Bangladesh. I found the award and fellowship list database in his portfolio website. However, the news coverage on him are trustworthy and reliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2400:C600:4524:39E8:1:0:B0D5:6398 (talk) 20:07, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Comment— There are seven sources used in the article. The first two sources are tags from news organizations that list the number of articles he wrote for them, five in total. The third is a primary source from TIB mentioning the award they gave him. The fourth and fifth are coverage of that award, received by four journalists, including the subject, in 2015. The sixth is an interview of G M Mostafizul Alam. The seventh article is a news report on the assault on G M Mostafizul Alam and his cameraman at a government office. Not enough to pass notability guidelines.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 12:34, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

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* Comment— Only the relevant, trustworthy and the weightful sources are added as references. All though, the refences are from reliable sources. So the article should be alive and debate should be dismissed. NisoBird (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

If the seven sources currently in the article are the best that can be mustered, then clearly the subject does not meet notability guidelines, since they are all either primary or without significant coverage of the subject, as Vinegarymass911 has shown. Whether the sources are reliable is not the question. CodeTalker (talk) 20:09, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
The award he won, the fellowship he got, the work hie is doing made notable. 175.29.181.97 (talk) 09:15, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
These are all links to his own web site and therefore do not contribute to notability. I'm not sure you understand Misplaced Pages's notability policy; see WP:N. We need references that are secondary (not based on what he himself has published or said) with significant coverage (not just mentioning his name or the fact that he exists and is a journalist). CodeTalker (talk) 17:22, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Mr. Alam notable by his works and the award he won. 175.29.181.97 (talk) 06:11, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Comment - User:NisoBird, the creator and primary contributor to this article, has been blocked as a sockpuppet of User:Johnvola. NisoBird moved this article to mainspace while the sockmaster was blocked. CodeTalker (talk) 14:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Delete - Should be G5. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:07, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Delete per nom fails WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 01:36, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:42, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

David Sanko

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The subject is a minor non-notable politician. Their main claim to notability is being head of the Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency for one year, which does not seem sufficient to meet notability requirements for politicians and officials. Thenightaway (talk) 13:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Delete per nom. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NPOL. Sal2100 (talk) 17:22, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Delete per nom. The subject has not held positions that confer notability. Mccapra (talk) 21:36, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Delete per nomination. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 21:30, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 13:02, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Macedonian studies

Article serves no useful purpose. Apparently a political activist. -- Fyslee 12:30, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 10:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Delete Not linked from any articles and appears to be more O.R. than anything. StuffOfInterest 14:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Delete w/o prejudice, unless seriously revised: unhelpful article about a legitimate subject. The author seems to have a quarrel with the claimed nationhood of the Republic of Macedonia or its claim to the name of Macedonia. - Smerdis of Tlön 14:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Delete for the same reasons as Smerdis of Tlön. The current article reads like an attack page. The subject is worthwhile for an entry so no objection to its recreation as properly sourced article. -- Whpq 15:16, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Delete mostly per Smerdis of Tlön (not sure about the quarrel bit). There is potential for an article on Macedonian Studies, but this isn't it. Yomangani 15:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

The result was keep‎. Liz 18:57, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Lollicup Coffee & Tea

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Not notable, poor sources, notability is not shown Rodgers V (talk) 12:20, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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I have blocked the nominator for spamming, but I believe this nomination should be considered on its merits. MER-C 14:50, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. deGuzman, Jean-Paul R. (2006). "Beyond "Living La Vida Boba": Social Space and Transnational, Hybrid Asian American Youth Culture". Amerasia Journal. 32 (2). doi:10.17953/amer.32.2.g28263x502562224.
  The article notes: "My goal is not so much to document the history of the Lollicup, nor the overall boba phenomenon, but to understand how Lollicup is a transnational and hybrid social space that is linked to Asian American youth culture. ... Beyond sentiment, I have selected Lollicup because of its origins and implications for Asian American youth culture. Lollicup, as opposed to newer independently established boba cafes, exemplifies a trans-border project. The business, already wellestablished in Taiwan, migrated to the United States and was one of the earlier boba enterprises to gain popularity."
  The article notes: "Lollicup Tea and Coffee, established as Lollicup TeaZone, obscures the borders between Asia and the United States. ... Looking at specific cafes provides clues to understand individual Lollicups. The clientele differs based on the geography of each Lollicup café, and thus those specific patrons, given their respective identities based on socioeconomic class or age will attach individual meanings to their Lollicup. However, I argue that certain aspects of Lollicup culture permeate individual locations to facilitate the creation of La Vida Boba. They include the centrality of Asian American youth both as consumers and producers of Lollicup culture and the role of the café as a social space where Asian American identities are forged. Two Lollicups in the San Fernando Valley illustrate my points."
2. Winslow, Jonathan (2013-04-04). "Lollicup in Irvine: trendy, tasty tea shop". The Orange County Register. Archived from the original on 2024-03-25. Retrieved 2024-03-25.
  The review notes: "Lollicup’s claim to fame is its milk tea, which comes in all kinds of flavors, including almond, orange, coconut, honey, jasmine, strawberry, and mango, just to name a few. It also features fruit juice and fruit tea, as well as smoothies. ... The first Lollicup started in San Gabriel 13 years ago. Although the company didn’t have much money to advertise, word of mouth spread quickly. So quickly, in fact, that five locations opened within the first three months of operation. ... Diamond Jamboree Lollicup also features a Battle of the Clubs, which can be found prominently displayed on the wall. A carryover from one of Ito’s older businesses, the Battle of the Clubs is a way to help out local clubs and schools from the surrounding area."
3. Wei, Clarissa (2015-02-10). "Lollicup, the huge bubble tea company, has a boba school. Who knew?". Los Angeles Times. Archived from the original on 2024-03-25. Retrieved 2024-03-25.
  The article notes: "When it opened in 2000, Lollicup, which began life as a single tea shop in the San Gabriel Valley, was one of the only boba shops in the United States. Then came the boba craze, during which the company expanded like, well, bubble tea. Today the company distributes 70% of all the boba in the U.S. and has nine shops in the greater Los Angeles area. Last year, Lollicup upgraded to a 300,000-square-foot facility in Chino. Staffed with 175 employees, the company has a full manufacturing operation for disposable dining ware and a commercial kitchen used for training sessions."
4. Faubion, William (2006). Faubion, Cindy Tilley; Lee, Mary Beth; Smigelski, David (eds.). Treasures of Southern California: Orange County Edition. Medford, Oregon: Morgan & Chase Publishing. p. 42. ISBN 978-1-933989-00-6. Retrieved 2024-03-25 – via Internet Archive.
  The book notes: "It's a new wave of tea and blended coffee at Lollicup Coffee & Tea-Fullerton.... Lollicup is known for its Royal Milk Tea, popcorn chicken and relaxing atmosphere. There are over 200 drinks on the menu that can be hot or cold and customized to your liking. If you are not ready to try a Boba drink yet, other alternatives include flavored milk drinks, slushes, smoothies, coffee drinks and a variety of unusual tea drinks. Coffee and tea drinks can be ordered hot or cold, with soy or regular milk. Fruit drinks can be prepared with more or less sugar. It's all up to you. A healthy alternative is Teaology. This is a sugar-free, naturally decaffeinated, botanically- infused antioxidant-rich green tea. Lollicup Coffee & Tea offers food choices, like tofu salad and Chinese specialties, to go with that special drink. ... The great color on the walls and lively night atmosphere will make you lose track of time. Bring the kids; Lollicup provides a special hangout just for their amusement."
5. Cain, Jacqueline (2015-07-17). "Super 88 Food Court Is a Cheap Destination for Heaping Helpings of Asian Fare". Eater. Archived from the original on 2024-03-25. Retrieved 2024-03-25.
  The article notes: "Lollicup has a few snacks, but this stall is mainly a spot for a variety of hot and cold drinks. The chain has outposts all over Asia and the United States, including one nearby in Quincy. It specializes in boba milk tea, but it has numerous combinations of fruit and milk flavors and add-ons as well as fruity slushes, smoothies, and hot beverages."
6. Tomiyoshi, Tricia (2005-10-29). "More than 100 tea drinks on menu at Lollicup in Stockton". Lodi News-Sentinel. Archived from the original on 2024-03-25. Retrieved 2024-03-25.
  The review notes: "Call it a tea zone. At Lollicup Coffee and Tea, customers can pick from a menu of around 100 different tea drinks from milk teas to flavored teas, tea slushes to tea smoothies. It's a veritable tea-venture. Lollicup first opened in California's San Gabriel Valley back in 2000. In the last five years, it has become a chain, which has expanded to more than 90 cafes over 12 states. ... I ordered the honeydew milk tea, made with golden tea, and added flavored lychee coconut jellies to the drink. It was a light mint green-colored concoction, on the rocks, with thin, light green, Jello-like slivers that collected on the bottom of the cup. The drink was sealed air-tight with plastic. I grabbed a giant-sized straw and punctuated the top. Within seconds, I was getting my fill of the sweet, honeydew flavored drink."
7. Ulloa, Sylvia (2006-05-11). "Hip, Casual Tea House Serves Fun Island Fare - Indulge in Lollicup's Bubble Drinks". The Mercury News. Archived from the original on 2024-03-25. Retrieved 2024-03-25.
  The review notes: "Bubble tea and Hawaiian barbecue. They're guilty pleasures. And at Lollicup Coffee & Tea on Winchester Boulevard in San Jose, you can indulge in both at the same time. ... The real reason to drop into Lollicup, though, is the bubble, or pearl, tea drinks. There is a large selection of teas, slushies and smoothies all spiked with large, chewy tapioca pearls that zip up a wide straw. My favorite is a delicious honey milk tea reminiscent of Thai iced tea but not as sweet -- perfect. The peach tea is smooth and refreshing but a bit on the sweet side. Taro tea has a subtle chocolate flavor. All the drinks suffer from too little ice."
8. Qi, Luo 啟鉻 (2015-05-06). "有波霸奶茶才有樂立杯" . World Journal (in Chinese). Retrieved 2024-03-25 – via PressReader.
  The article notes: "華裔俞宗明（Alan Yu）於本世紀初從台灣引入美國的樂立杯品牌波霸奶茶，有雄心將它做成年產值3億美元的企業，讓波霸奶茶飲食文化遍及北美。... 台灣在上世紀90年代末，興起波霸奶茶熱，這時也是俞宗明經營錄影帶出現轉捩點。他到台灣試圖將波霸奶茶引入美國。2000年在聖蓋博市設立樂立杯飲品店，推銷波霸奶茶系列飲品。三年間做到了70餘間加盟店。"
  From Google Translate: "Chinese-American Alan Yu introduced the Lollicup brand of Boba milk tea to the United States from Taiwan at the beginning of this century. He has the ambition to turn it into a company with an annual output value of US$300 million and spread the Boba milk tea food culture throughout North America. ... In the late 1990s, the boba milk tea craze arose in Taiwan. This was also a turning point for Yu Zongming’s video business. He went to Taiwan to try to introduce Boba milk tea to the United States. In 2000, a Lollicup beverage store was established in San Gabriel City to promote the Boba milk tea series of beverages. In three years, we have opened more than 70 franchise stores."
9. Less significant coverage:
  1. Ling, Huping; Austin, Allan, eds. (2015) . Asian American History and Culture: An Encyclopedia. Abingdon, Oxon: Routledge. p. 544. ISBN 978-0-7656-8077-8.
    The book provides one sentence of coverage about the subject. The book notes: "Among the most successful of entrepreneurs to take advantage of these markets was Roger Chen, founder of the Ranch 99 supermarket chain, and Alan Yu and Marvin Cheng, cofounders of Lollicup Coffee and Tea, a national chain of cafés featuring popular Asian boba teas."
  2. Zhen, Willa (2015). "Taiwan". In Long, Lucy M. (ed.). Ethnic American Food Today: A Cultural Encyclopedia. Lanham, Maryland: Rowman & Littlefield. p. 614. ISBN 978-1-4422-2730-9. Retrieved 2024-03-25 – via Google Books.
    The book provides one sentence of coverage about the subject. The book notes: "Lollicup Coffee & Tea is a Taiwanese American chain of tea shops that serves Taiwanese snacks such as popcorn chicken and bubble tea."
  3. Engle, Shaena (2011). The Cheap Bastard's Guide to Las Vegas Secrets Of Living The Good Life—For Less!. Guilford, Connecticut: Morris Book Publishing, LLC. p. 100. ISBN 978-0-7627-6002-2. Retrieved 2024-03-25 – via Internet Archive.
    The book notes: "If boba is your beverage of choice, head to Lollicup in Town Square. In addition to a large variety of bobas, they offer more than 150 different types of drinks including milk teas, flavored teas, smoothies, slushes, juices, and coffees. Sign up for their VIP card and get 20 percent off drinks and 10 percent off snacks."
  4. Kwong, Stacey; del Mundo, Beyah del (2020). Boba: Classic, Fun, Refreshing - Bubble Teas to Make at Home. New York: Rock Point. The Quarto Group. p. 9. ISBN 978-1-63106-715-0. Retrieved 2024-03-25 – via Google Books.
    The book notes: "I grew up in the San Gabriel Valley (aka the SGV), and I remember when the first Lollicup (a popular Taiwanese American chain of boba stores started in 2000) opened in Arcadia, California, around 2001. Eventually, they opened another location within walking distance of my school, so grabbing boba tea was an after-school must! If it wasn't boba, then it was shaved ice, and it was like a ritual. Meeting at a café with friends was the go-to activity. But it wasn't the fancy-schmancy boba drinks that you see nowadays. This was just powdered milk tea, sometimes even served in Styrofoam cups. You wouldn't believe how much it cost—just a dollar! And it was refreshingly delicious on a hot summer day."
  5. Fulford-Jones, Will, ed. (2004) . Time Out Los Angeles (4 ed.). London: Time Out Group. p. 167. ISBN 0-141-00943-8. Retrieved 2024-03-25 – via Internet Archive.
    The book notes: "LA's latest craze—chai latte was so five minutes ago—is boba, served chiefly at the various Lollicup Tea Zone cafés (pictured; 1-626 965 8882 or www.lollicup.com for locations). Angelenos call it bubble tea; certainly, it's an odd-looking concoction, comprised of black or green tea, flavoured milk and boba, dark, starchy balls made from cassava root that you suck through a gigantic straw. The first Lollicup opened in California in 2000; three years later, over 50 branches had followed."
  6. Vuoung, Zen (2015-03-28). "Zen Report - Growing up as Asian kid in '80s in San Gabriel Valley". Whittier Daily News. Archived from the original on 2024-03-25. Retrieved 2024-03-25.
    The article notes: "Lollicup Coffee & Tea began infiltrating the SGV in the mid-1990s. Before that, us Asians had to settle for what the Americans were drinking. When I was in high school, my friends and I jumped into a clown car and drove down Valley Boulevard for some spicy popcorn chicken and Thai tea with tapioca balls. We sat in Lollicup (which is now at the bottom of the totem pole, but back then, it was top notch), played Big 2 with our Bicycle Playing Cards and complained about immigrant parents who just didn’t get it."
  7. Persaud, Babita (2007-07-21). "Bubble teas: How did drinks with soft blobs become hip?". Orlando Sentinel. Archived from the original on 2024-03-25. Retrieved 2024-03-25.
    The article notes: "The destination du jour: hangouts such as Mai's Lollicup Coffee & Tea that serve bubble tea and bubble drinks, which look like smoothies or Frappuccinos -- except for the pellets of tapioca at the bottom. ... In the United States, bubble tea has caught on through chains such as Q-Cup, Lollicup and Tapioca Express -- all started by Asian entrepreneurs. ... Lollicup is the largest and has about 100 locations, including three in Central Florida run by Quang Vu."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Lollicup Coffee & Tea (traditional Chinese: 樂立杯; simplified Chinese: 乐立杯) to pass Misplaced Pages:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria, which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 00:55, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Keep per the extensive sourcing shown above by Cunard. Left guide (talk) 07:56, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

The result was delete‎. Liz 21:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

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Surprisingly poor sourced, not notable company. WP THREE? Rodgers V (talk) 12:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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I have blocked the nominator for spamming, but I believe this nomination should be considered on its merits. MER-C 14:50, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

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Delete: The current sources are the company's own about page, a local news site and a press release. I've looked and have not found anything better. Does not meet and is unlikely to meet WP:CORP. Jtrrs0 (talk) 14:37, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. Lack of notability. Kinopiko 10:02, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Delete: Doesn't meet WP:NCORP as coverage is limited to local announcements of the store opening and closing locations at malls. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 19:02, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

The result was keep‎. There was some debate over the question whether becoming a CEO at the age of 14 is an event. Regardless, the achievement received a sufficient amount of significant coverage in mainstream, national news outlets over several years so as not to fail the third prong of BLP1E, as the Keep views correctly argued. I see no basis in policy that coverage has to be international, and don't find WP:NOTWEBHOST to be relevant here. Owen× ☎ 00:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Close amended to no consensus with no prejudice against immediate renomination per Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2024 April 6. Daniel (talk) 22:03, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Sindhuja Rajaraman

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non-notable WP:1E, WP:NOTWEBHOST Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 04:26, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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Decline- As the event she is reported by multiple newspapers was about her acheivement. Changeworld1984 (talk) 09:05, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

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Delete – biography only notable just because she is the youngest CEO, so BLP1E applies. I do not see anything that violates WP:NOTWEBHOST. Toadette 15:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Keep - Significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. WP:1E does not appear to directly apply here - what is the event in question? How is being 14 an event? ~Kvng (talk) 15:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Delete per nom. Her contribution to animation seems minimal, and all the coverage of her company (Seppan) only seemed to highlight that the CEO was 14. I would like to know if there are sources in foreign-language media that comments on her or Seppan's contribution to animation. Otherwise, delete.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 14:10, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

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Keep: Sources 3 and 10 are in RS, not an overwhelming keep, but we have enough confirmation of her notability. A Guinness record isn't notable. Oaktree b (talk) 19:35, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Both the sources are are more like an interview with the topic and doesn't seem independent. Bhivuti45 (talk) 21:34, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Delete - as I checked, the sources are either dead or churnalism and sponsored posts. Bhivuti45 (talk) 21:30, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Weak keep – I feel that WP:BLP1E shouldn't apply all that well to age. Especially because we have sources starting from 2011 and spanning to 2019. I agree that there is likely churnalism for some of the sources here, but there is at least 3 generally reliable sources that can be used. Part of the sources do contain interviews, but some either do commentate or introduce the subject before the interview, which constitutes just enough WP:INDEPENDENT for me. TLA 10:39, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
Delete. Achievement is that she is the youngest CEO and that is all we know from one or two reliable sources and this was news in 2011. I do not see sources where the coverage was an international recognition. I did not find articles where her achievements were highly notable. Simple search now also takes you back to Indian news media links from 2011, 2013 and one from 2016 by hindu.com. I do not find her notable because there are many other young CEOs who are and can be considered notable because they were listed in Fortune 500 magazine but Sindhuja made into no such list. Maybe a page like List of youngest CEOs where I could have decided to redirect or merge to but I did not find any such page here. RangersRus (talk) 13:41, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:57, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Craig Drummond

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Non-notable per WP:BIO, WP:NAUTHOR and WP:ENT. He's a lawyer who's had some notable clients, but on Misplaced Pages notability is not inherited. The book is self-published, and the only review of it I could find in reliable sources is the St. Joseph News-Press review cited. He has appeared on some local news broadcasts, appeared once on Court TV as a legal commentator (at 4:00 - 8:26 in the source cited), and wrote a commentary piece for the News Journal, but the sources for that are all primary. All I could find about him in a WP:BEFORE search of secondary sources was passing mentions, with no significant coverage of him, apart from him speaking publicly about cases where he was counsel. Article creator is a declared paid editor for another Las Vegas company, and both the unsourced personal details and repeated uploads of promotional photos suggests conflict of interest or undisclosed paid editing. Wikishovel (talk) 10:20, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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I understand your concerns regarding the notability of the subject as per Misplaced Pages guidelines. However, I would like to clarify a few points regarding your assessment.

While it's true that Craig Drummond may not meet the notability standards outlined in WP:BIO, WP:NAUTHOR, and WP:ENT, it's important to note that notability is not solely determined by a person's profession or the significance of their clients. As you rightly pointed out, the book associated with Craig Drummond is self-published, and the coverage of it in reliable sources is limited.

Regarding Craig Drummond's appearances on local news broadcasts, Court TV, and contributions to the News Journal, I acknowledge that the sources provided are primarily primary in nature. However, these appearances and contributions do demonstrate some level of public engagement and recognition within Craig Drummond's field, albeit not to the extent required for Misplaced Pages notability.

Furthermore, I'd like to address your concerns regarding conflict of interest and undisclosed paid editing. While it's important to remain vigilant against such practices, it's equally important not to make assumptions without concrete evidence. Accusations of conflict of interest or undisclosed paid editing can be damaging and should not be generalized without proper verification.My last article was marked as 'paid,' but that doesn't imply that this article is also paid. I have been working on this article for the past month. Therefore, it would be more appropriate for Misplaced Pages to consider marking it for deletion with proper evidence rather than making assumptions.

In conclusion, I appreciate your attention to detail and adherence to Misplaced Pages guidelines in evaluating the notability of subjects. However, I encourage further discussion and collaboration to ensure the accuracy and neutrality of the information presented in the article. Potpart (talk) 18:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Speedy delete: as irredeemably promotional per WP:G11. Alternatively, delete because the only arguably significant coverage is about the one book he's published (which doesn't meet WP:NAUTHOR). I will note that the article creator's comment above is almost certainly LLM-generated and pretty much consists of arguments to avoid. voorts (talk/contributions) 07:41, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

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Speedy delete: per what Voorts said. - Master of Hedgehogs 14:54, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

The result was keep‎. ✗plicit 13:20, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Patrick Dumont

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Notability of the person is not clear. Looks like promotion Rodgers V (talk) 12:12, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Keep The majority shareholder of an NBA team seems like a notable figure. The article doesn't seem blatantly promotional, and it cites several valid sources. Zagalejo (talk) 23:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Keep as the majority shareholder of a franchise in the NBA, one of the top sports leagues in the world, this person is notable and it can be presumed GNG-appropriate sources can be found about him. Even if no such sources are found, this would be a clear case to apply WP:IAR. Frank Anchor 02:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Keep. Fulfills WP:GNG. Vague reasoning for deletion by nom. \\ Loksmythe // (talk) 15:48, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Keep This article meets the criteria for notability and should be kept. Go4thProsper (talk) 01:18, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Keep. Clearly meets GNG. Not sure where the nom sees WP:PROMO. Longhornsg (talk) 01:49, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

The result was delete‎. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Gopal Snacks

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Fails to meet Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines for corporations, as explained in WP:NCORP and WP:ORGCRIT. WP:PROMO. Charlie (talk) 07:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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Keep Coverage of listing on the stock market, including from major national newspapers, indicate notability. Per WP:LISTED "sufficient independent sources almost always exist for such companies, so that notability can be established using the primary criterion discussed above. Examples of such sources include independent press coverage and analyst reports." Examples include Fortune India, Economic Times newspaper, Business Today magazine including analyst comment, Mint business newspaper, another Economic Times article. These are just a handful of examples I found in a few minutes. The article is not irredeemably promotional. AusLondonder (talk) 08:08, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
I am not sure if there are any reports from independent analysts available yet since the company was just listed recently (48 hours ago). Also, this company being listed alone might not meet the criteria set by Misplaced Pages for notability. When we examine the references provided, they appear to be same IPO news repeatedly published in multiple Indian media outlets; WP:CHURN, WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Charlie (talk) 05:26, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
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Delete - all coverage is based on press releases around IPO, fails WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:ORGTRIV. LizardJr8 (talk) 22:49, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Delete This is a company therefore GNG/WP:NCORP requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *on the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. In plain English, this means that references cannot rely *only* on information provided by the company - such as what seems to be the case here where most of the references are cut-and-paste jobs from the company's IPO prospectus and the rest is mere commentary on their stock market performance with no in-depth "Independent Content" *about the company*. Perhaps in the future some analysts might publish something as suggested above, but I cannot locate anything on this company that meets GNG/NCORP. HighKing 18:47, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Delete per Highking lacks in depth coverage fails WP:GNG and WP:NCORP.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:45, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

The result was no consensus‎. Star Mississippi 16:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Lord Vinheteiro

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This article about Vinheteiro fails to meet WP:NMUSIC.

Details about Vinheteiro in the article are not cited in accordance with source, which makes it seem to have reach the requirement of WP:NMUSIC e.g. the article stated that Vinheteiro participated in Brazilian programs such as Jornal Nacional (seems to meet criteria 12), while the source 'Jornal Nacional' was about his video of playing of JN's theme song went viral. e.g. the article stated that Vinheteiro performed in China with local musicians (seems to meet criteria 4), yet the source was about his videos' popularity on Chinese online video platform, Bilibili, where he launched online music courses.

If the article is considered as Misplaced Pages:WikiProject YouTube/Notability rather than WP:NMUSIC, I doubt its sources are significant enough to meet WP:GNG. --EleniXDD※Talk 07:53, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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Keep – The YouTuber has notability, including internationally. Svartner (talk) 05:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

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delete per nom. i cannot access the second source provided above, but the first source appears to be an interview and does not contribute to notability. ltb d l (talk) 10:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

this source is extremely reliable, one of the top 2 national news outlet in Brazil, with a reach to more than 200 million people. Meets by a long margin criterion 12 of WP:NMUSIC. Contributor892z (talk) 21:22, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

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Keep. Notable internationally, and there is comprehensive coverage and sources about this subject in the Portuguese Misplaced Pages.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 15:15, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

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Keep. WP:NPOSSIBLE applies. Check the Portuguese wiki for better sources.Contributor892z (talk) 21:02, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

The result was keep‎. Liz 23:43, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

MicroSIP

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Fails WP:NSOFT Mfixerer (talk) 09:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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Keep. It has limited media coverage, but I'm not sure how much the media would cover something so esoteric. There is robust discussion about it (which indicates wide usage) on platforms like reddit and Youtube.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 13:51, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Keep. I'm seeing a respectable amount of discussion in academic papers (e.g. here)— Moriwen (talk) 15:53, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Keep it's got decent industry adoption, as evidenced by several scholarly articles, as well as a very large number of how-to's. it's kinda esoteric, but still notable. -- Aunva6 20:22, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

CreditWise Capital

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Not sufficient sourcing per NCORP; promotional and not-notable company Rodgers V (talk) 12:09, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. It exists, has raised funds and makes loans for two-wheelers. Sources are based on press releases with little independent analysis so do not satisfy WP:ORGIND. Coverage falls well short of that required by WP:ORGDEPTH. Rupples (talk) 13:12, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
I have blocked the nominator for spamming, but I believe this nomination should be considered on its merits. MER-C 14:50, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

The result was keep‎. Eddie891 _Work 17:17, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Soundtrack.Net

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The Time mention is brief and doesn't even include the alleged "Top 20 Music Websites of 2005" designation that the page claims. The ScoringSessions.com just links to the front page of that site and I couldn't find anything about its relation to this one. The rest is just this site, and nothing that suggests notability to me. As is usually the case, finding coverage of a website is not easy, but I couldn't see anything and my doubts remain. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 12:07, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Created by conflict of interest; see User talk:Dgoldwas#SoundtrackNet. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 12:12, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

It's been 19 years since the TIME Magazine piece came out, so I guess we need to look at the print evidence. I uploaded a YouTube video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3mzVWkcL98

The "relation" between ScoringSessions.com and Soundtrack.Net is obvious if you go look at the "About" page of ScoringSessions.com

https://scoringsessions.com/about Dgoldwas (talk) 13:20, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Comment: The Time magazine page is just a brief listing but any thoughts on these? StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 17:43, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
@StreetcarEnjoyer it appears those are the same thing on different websites. Does look like a solid source, but it only puts us at one which still isn't enough to meet GNG. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 14:00, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
That was the best I could find, so delete as not having sigcov. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 14:40, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Delete: reads like WP:PROMO, the page was seemingly written by one of the sites creators, and many of the references are from the site itself. InDimensional (talk) 12:02, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Wright, H. Stephen (September 2002). Davison, Stephen (ed.). "Film Music Web Sites". Notes. 59 (1): 128–129. doi:10.1353/not.2002.0150. ProQuest 1108699.
  The article notes: "SoundtrackNet is probably the oldest comprehensive film music site on the Web, if one takes its entire genealogy into account. The site's banner proudly proclaims 5th Anniversary, 1997-2002, but in fact its origins can be traced to 1996, when Ellen Edgerton founded filmmusic.com, the first Web site to attempt an all-inclusive view of the film music world, rather than concentrate on soundtrack album collecting or a single composer. SoundtrackNet was created in 1997 and eventually absorbed the contents of filmmusic.com, thus creating a megasite of surprising breadth. (The domains soundtrack.net and filmmusic.com are now functionally equivalent.) ... SoundtrackNet, for all its virtues, is not always easy to use. Navigation bars that one expects to spawn drop-down menus do nothing of the kind."
2. Rome, Emily (2011-12-04). "A movie music maestro". Los Angeles Times. Archived from the original on 2024-03-24. Retrieved 2024-03-24 – via Newspapers.com.
  The article notes: "Soundtrack.net, a web- site devoted to music in film and television, is getting an upgrade courtesy of Sean Saulsbury. One of the founders of Box Office Mojo, the Studio City-based movie enthusiast is hoping to build the site into a comprehensive resource for songs that appear on official soundtracks, orchestral scores and music integrated into movies and TV shows. The website has been around since 1997 but had been updated very little in the last several years. Saulsbury, who left Box Office Mojo in 2009, bought Soundtrack.net in mid-October."
3. "SoundtrackNet Radio launches 24/7". The Independent Film & Video Monthly. Vol. 27, no. 1. Association of Independent Video and Filmmakers. January–February 2004. pp. 10–11. Retrieved 2024-03-24 – via Internet Archive.
  The article notes: "SoundtrackNet, where web surfers have gone for years to find a trusty database of even the most obscure movie music, can now listen to the tunes they love nonstop with the October 1 launch of SoundtrackNet Radio—a free, 24/7 streaming internet station for film music buffs. ... In the beginning, the site, which boasts over 3,000 soundtracks and a whopping 40,000 songs, was merely a place to go to for composer interviews and agent contact information, but with the introduction of this round-the-clock radio station, Goldwasser hopes to see a big boost in visitors-up from an already not-too-shabby 188,000 unique visitors a month."
4. Hewittchewitt, Chris (2009-01-05). "What Was That One Movie With That One Actor Playing That Guy in That Town Where That Stuff Happened? - Here Are a Few Sites That Might Be Able to Help". St. Paul Pioneer Press. Archived from the original on 2024-03-24. Retrieved 2024-03-24.
  The review notes: "SoundTrackNet: I'm a fan of film scores, and so are the folks who put this Web site together. There are lots of sites devoted to movie music -- filmscoremonthly.com is another -- but I've found soundtrack.net the most helpful. It has in-depth interviews with composers, a good question-and-answer section, info on hard-to-find CDs and a "Score of the Day" feature that lets you listen to (and, usually, download) movie music you never knew you needed."
5. Abramowitz, Jeff (1997-09-19). "Read All About It". The Jerusalem Post. Archived from the original on 2024-03-24. Retrieved 2024-03-24.
  The article notes: ""Soundtrack.net" is a newish site devoted to film and television music. The site (http://www.soundtrack.net) has a large list of soundtracks, but unfortunately, there does not seem to be any facility letting you download or even listen to them. So what we're left with is a site about this form of music, with a discussion board and a data base and reviews, but it's still short of the mark. Nonetheless, it is a welcome resource for a genre of music which is often overlooked but which, at its best, is an essential part of any classic movie."
6. "On the Web". Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. 2002-12-20. Archived from the original on 2024-03-24. Retrieved 2024-03-24.
  The review notes: "SoundtrackNet is a great source for news and research on movie and TV soundtracks. It currently features an interview with "Two Towers" soundtrack composer Howard Shore."
7. Bainbridge, Jim (2005-03-13). "'Local' function sets topix.net apart from Google News". The Gazette. Archived from the original on 2024-03-24. Retrieved 2024-03-24.
  The review notes: "Film music: Soundtracknet is a specialized Web site dealing with all things having to do with "the art of film and television music." There you will find news, features, interviews and 969 reviews of new and old movie soundtracks, including "Hotel Rwanda" and "The Courtmartial of Billy Mitchell.""
8. Douglas, John (2001-03-05). "Soundtrack Net - On the Web". The Grand Rapids Press. Archived from the original on 2024-03-24. Retrieved 2024-03-24.
  The review notes: "If you like music from movies, www.filmmusic.com is the place to go for a wealth of information on composers, including what soundtracks are in print as well as complete track listings for soundtracks."
9. "wwwhere? - Site of the day". The Age. 2001-07-18. Archived from the original on 2024-03-24. Retrieved 2024-03-24.
  The article notes that the site of the day is oundtrack Net. The article notes: "Learn more about the music that accompanies the silverscreen blockbusters. Read the latest news, reviews and interviews relating to cinema soundtracks."
10. "Here & Now". Watertown Daily Times. 2014-09-12. Archived from the original on 2024-03-24. Retrieved 2024-03-24.
  The article notes: "That's where the website soundtrack.net comes in handy. The site is a source for news and information about movie and television soundtracks and original scores. A typical film page will list its music tracks (whether or not there was an official release) and the artists who sang them; director, music supervisor and composer credits; and album release date, its publisher and a link to the soundtrack and/or score. Plus, there are release dates for upcoming films about 60 days in advance."
11. Douglas, John (2001-09-10). "On the Web". The Grand Rapids Press. Archived from the original on 2024-03-24. Retrieved 2024-03-24.
  The review notes: "I love movie soundtracks -- and I'm not talking about those new soundtracks with "music inspired by the film." The soundtracks on this site contain music composed for a movie. Some of these are new soundtracks and some are for older films. The site will clue you in on what is included on each CD. It also contains news and articles about soundtracks along with interviews with composers."
12. Rothman, Wilson (2005-11-21). "Online Music Guide 2005. Whether you're searching for the next big hit or creating a personal web radio station, our top 20 music sites will get you in the groove". Time. Archived from the original on 2024-03-24. Retrieved 2024-03-24.
  The article notes: "soundtrack.net/trailers. Movie trailers usually feature mesmerizing songs that are, incidentally, not always included on the movie's soundtrack album. This site tells you what's playing in the trailers, plus an abundance of information about scores and their composers too."
13. Pool, Jeannie Gayle; Wright, H. Stephen (2011). A Research Guide to Film and Television Music in the United States. Lanham, Maryland: The Scarecrow Press. p. 142. ISBN 978-0-8108-7688-0. Retrieved 2024-03-24 – via Internet Archive.
  The book notes: "SoundtrackNet (www.soundtrack.net). Includes a database of film scores on compact disc, as well as reviews and news."
14. Roat, Ronald; Contini, George; Barnes, Michael J.; Barr, Linda R. (2003). iSearch: Mass Communication, Theatre and Film. Boston: Pearson Education. p. 149. ISBN 0-205-37644-4. Retrieved 2024-03-24 – via Internet Archive.
  The book notes: "SoundtrackNet: http://www. filmmusic.com/. An awesome online magazine that not only provides excellent articles on scoring for film but also has an extensive composer and soundtrack database."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Soundtrack.Net to pass Misplaced Pages:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 10:50, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that's plenty. Withdrawn. Thanks @Cunard! QuietHere (talk | contributions) 14:17, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Keep agree that Cunard's sources enable WP:GNG to be passed. There are a couple of early delete votes which prevent a speedy keep for nomination withdrawn, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:47, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

The result was delete‎. Liz 21:02, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Satyakam Mohkamsing

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No evidence of notability in the article, fails WP:GNG InDimensional (talk) 11:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. Does perform yet I found no reviews, awards, or independent coverage. The website is down. Appears to be a working professional without encyclopedic notability. gidonb (talk) 18:27, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Delete. I also found no coverage. He doesn't have an article on any wikis in other languages, either.— Moriwen (talk) 15:48, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Julia Williams (academic)

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Non-notable academic, misses the bar for WP:NACADEMIC #8 as was never editor-in-chief, not much I can find in books or google. BrigadierG (talk) 11:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Comment. It's really scraping the bottom of the barrel when you list getting a PhD as an "award"! Athel cb (talk) 14:04, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
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Delete. I went through the page and tried to improve it, but it wasn't worth the time - does not satisfy WP:PROF. Qflib (talk) 17:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Comment Scopus profile shows c. 850 citations, I don't know if that is high or low for the field: . ResonantDis_tortion 19:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

The result was delete‎. Star Mississippi 01:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Agha Iqrar Haroon

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Fails to meet WP:GNG as well WP:N - delete because its a resume, written by subject himself Special:Contributions/Agha_iqrar_haroon or someone close to them Special:Contributions/Aghaasadharoon.

Also see Dispatch News Desk. Saqib (talk · contribs) 10:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Comment. Don't see why this subject is listed under academics and educators. Does not satisty WP:NPROF. Qflib (talk) 17:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
I imagine the listing is because the article asserts that the subject's accomplishments include research and teaching. Searching Google Scholar did find a small number of publications under author:ai-haroon, but nothing that would pass WP:PROF. I think we are going to have to look for notability other than through academic accomplishments; I agree he does not pass PROF. That said, I have not yet formulated an opinion on the subject's overall notability. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Delete: A wonderful author but didn't meet WP:NAUTHOR. The LEDs said he is a political analyst while it doesn't meet WP:NCREATIVE. Another called "him" a journalist—while I was looking per WP:BEFORE to see any coverage that is historic or passes WP:SIGCOV but to no avail, failing WP:NJOURNALIST. The article about a person just a run of the mill case. The sources doesn't say WP:SIGCOV and made-up like; the wholly sounds WP:UPE, where I can find much PROMO! All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 12:41, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
From the nominator's reason here at the first AFD, it can be possibly recreation of deleted material though was a weak delete. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 12:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 11:20, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Travis County Republican Party

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County-level branch of a political party. Fails WP:ORGCRIT. Most of the sources at the article are not secondary sources, those that are are not specifically about this organisation. AusLondonder (talk) 10:08, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Delete per nom. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NORG. Sal2100 (talk) 14:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
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Delete per nomination. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 21:31, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Delete Delete per nom and WP:ORG. Grahaml35 (talk) 14:56, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

The result was redirect‎ to World Affairs Councils of America#Individual councils. Liz 23:42, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

World Affairs Council of Dallas/Fort Worth

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Completely fails WP:ORGCRIT. Not a single secondary source. PROD tag placed by @ArchCardinal: and removed by @Kvng:. Another PROD tag placed by @FactFindersEnigma: but removed as PROD is once-only. Article was created by COI SPA DFW WAC. AusLondonder (talk) 09:56, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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SPEEDY DELETE - WP:NOR, WP:RSSELF self published by the World Affairs Council of Dallas/Fort Worth. — Maile (talk) 15:17, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
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Redirect to World_Affairs_Councils_of_America#Individual_councils as preferred WP:ATD. Already listed there. No reliably sourced content to merge. Kvngr (talk}☎]] 00:07, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to World_Affairs_Councils_of_America#Individual_councils: As a valid WP:ATD. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 17:30, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

The result was merge‎ to Unitarian Universalism#Organizations. Liz 23:47, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Unitarian Universalist Buddhist Fellowship

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Has had zero secondary sources since creation just under 20 years ago. No evidence of notability. Fails WP:ORGCRIT and WP:GNG. AusLondonder (talk) 09:41, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. No evidence of notability. Searches bring up nothing for me. Cortador (talk) 11:37, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
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Comment - A merge or redirect to Unitarian_Universalism#Organizations should be considered as an WP:ATD. ~Kvng (talk) 13:18, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

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Merge to Unitarian_Universalism#Organizations where its mention can be expanded. I found mentions and directory entries in several books indicating this is a topic of interest but I did not find significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. ~Kvng (talk) 13:54, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

The result was delete‎. Eddie891 _Work 11:27, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

2024 SkyJet Elite Astra crash

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Does not meet WP:EVENTCRIT, minimal coverage other than local news sources. No reason to expect WP:LASTING effects or WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE. Rosbif73 (talk) 08:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Lean keep 5 fatalities did occur in this accident and as of right now, sources still seem to extend coverage: , , , so this already does satisfy 2 of the three criteria in the WP:AIRCRASH essay, albeit its too early to call whether this incident is notable or not, given that we do not exactly know the circumstances of the emergency. GalacticOrbits 19:39, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

I still hold my stance of keeping this article. I found the adsbexchange track to it, accessible here: . Also, one of the passengers, Alfredo Diez, seems to be the CEO of Atlantis Flight Academy, a private jet charter and flying school company:, , . Furthermore, this seems to be the first hull-loss & fatal hull-loss of the aircraft type since its operation in 1984: GalacticOrbits (talk) 05:21, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
"Furthermore, this seems to be the first hull-loss & fatal hull-loss of the aircraft type since its operation in 1984"

The accident involving the first hull-loss of a G650 doesn't have its own article so that argument seems pretty bland combined with the fact that a lot of aircraft don't have a separate article for their first fatal accident.

The rest of the guidelines mentioned are more than enough to warrant a delete of this article. Other than WP:AIRCRASH which is an essay, you haven't provided solid evidence to prove why this article should be kept. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 12:28, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Although it is the only criterion available, WP:AIRCRASH is at the end of the day an essay. Do not use WP:AIRCRASH as a criteria unless you can find other guidelines that prove that this article should stay.

If an accident or incident meets the criteria for inclusion in an airport, airline or aircraft article it may also be notable enough for a stand-alone article, if it also meets the criteria provided by the general notability guideline, a notability of events guideline and a guide on the use of news reports. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 14:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
A few articles two weeks after the event, simply naming the victims and repeating the details of the crash, do not constitute WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE. Rosbif73 (talk) 18:23, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Keep This definitely should NOT be deleted, 5 deaths occuring and has made its way around aviation news. TyHaliburtn 14:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Okay so should we create an article for every single accident that has more or less five deaths?

All the guidelines that users SunDawn, Rosbif73 and I have stated overrule WP:AIRCRASH which is an essay. This article fails all the guidelines stated. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 16:30, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
So with ur stupid logic 2024 Jetways Airlines Fokker 50 crash should also be deleted??? 2604:3D08:4C7F:DA00:3DF3:2638:4B06:2550 (talk) 16:37, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Please do not make personal attacks against other editors. —asparagusus (interaction) 16:38, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
then tell wikipedia to fix its guidelines 2604:3D08:4C7F:DA00:3DF3:2638:4B06:2550 (talk) 16:39, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Two things: 1) Do not call anyone's logic "stupid" - that is uncivil. 2) The word is spelt "your" - you are not texting to a friend. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:47, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
M̶i̶l̶d̶ Delete / support Fails WP:GNG, WP:SUSTAINED and I have doubts on whether this accident can meet WP:LASTING. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 14:38, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Delete. This article didn't satisfy WP:SUSTAINED and WP:GNG. Light aircraft incidents are generally not notable, and this article is not notable enough. Some news articles are expected, but it didn't satisfy WP:GNG as the coverage is too routine, not in-depth, and didn't have any lasting precedence. If this incident changed how Gulfstream G100 are flown globally this article might be notable, but it seems that it's not the case. However, this incident can be added in its respective accident aircraft article. ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 16:21, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
I guess the Japan airlines collision with that small plane isn't notable too??? It only had 5 deaths 2604:3D08:4C7F:DA00:3DF3:2638:4B06:2550 (talk) 16:26, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

look at 2024 Jetways Airlines Fokker 50 crash 2604:3D08:4C7F:DA00:3DF3:2638:4B06:2550 (talk) 16:29, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Have you even read any sort of guideline whatsoever? Both of these accidents involved commercial airliners, one widely accepted start criterion and both events ended with all aircraft involved being written off. The Astra Jet is a business jet.

And did you even read user SunDawn's argument? This accident fails all mentioned guidelines against the article. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 16:44, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
WHY DOES Hop-A-Jet Flight 823 HAVE AN ARTICLE THEN¿¿¿¿¿ ITS A PRIVATE JET AND LESS THAN 5 PEOPLE DIED, WHAT IS U TRYNA SAY BRO 2604:3D08:4C7F:DA00:3DF3:2638:4B06:2550 (talk) 16:55, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Please act and respond in a civilised manner and see my reply below. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 17:07, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Comment @SunDawn:, For clarification, "Light aircraft incidents are generally not notable". The IAI 1125 Astra is by no means a "light aircraft". Light aircraft are by definition, those who have an MTOW of 12,500 lbs or less (see Light aircraft), while the Astra has an MTOW of nearly 25,000 lbs. FYI, MTOW means maximum takeoff weight. GalacticOrbits (talk) 05:08, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Keep This is beyond stupid, Who the hell cares what the criteria says, 5 people died and made worldwide news, stop being silly. 2604:3D08:4C7F:DA00:3DF3:2638:4B06:2550 16:32, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

I suggest you go reading though all of the guidelines mentioned in this page like this the next time you join a debate, you can make a logically and pieced together argument. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 16:48, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

then why does Hop-A-Jet Flight 823 have its own article??? its a private jet???????????¿¿¿¿¿¿ 2604:3D08:4C7F:DA00:3DF3:2638:4B06:2550 (talk) 16:51, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

The fact that the pilots reported a dual engine failure might suggest lasting effects as it could change procedures. It was also a chartered flight. The accident also had multiple secondary sources covering the accident.

That doesn't mean that there won't be a discussion on whether the article should stay or not. It's just that for now, certain guidelines have been met although that could change.

And remember, if in the end, the accident does result in huge changes, there is always the possibility of reversing the delete, it's just that for the moment, nothing notable has been shown. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 17:04, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

i can find atleast 1 million sources on google 2604:3D08:4C7F:DA00:3DF3:2638:4B06:2550 (talk) 17:05, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Could you post the link of your page then? Aviationwikiflight (talk) 17:10, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

The number of deaths isn't directly a factor in deciding whether the article meets the notability criteria. Even one death is tragic for the families, of course. Fatal accidents are generally newsworthy, but being newsworthy is not the same as being encyclopedic. There are hundreds of light aircraft and general aviation accidents with fatalities every year, and very few of them have any encyclopedic value. Rosbif73 (talk) 18:07, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

At risk of feeding the trolls "Who the hell cares what the criteria says" is probably the most laughable argument I've seen at AfD in a while. AusLondonder (talk) 16:18, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Delete. People dying in accidents is not uncommon, and it does not inherently warrant an article. This article should only be created if widespread ramifications or analysis come afterward. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:06, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Delete Per WP:NOTNEWS. Small plane crashes are literally daily occurrences worldwide. Continued coverage is limited and only routine local news regarding the identity of the victims. Per WP:EVENTCRIT: "Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths, celebrity or political news, "shock" news, stories lacking lasting value such as "water cooler stories," and viral phenomena) – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance." AusLondonder (talk) 16:11, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Delete: This accident isn't too notable, despite all the news reports when searching for the accident on Google. This story was mainly reported from 3/10 to 3/12, then on the 20th did the news return back to the story onto identifying the victims and not to sound too ignorant but they were stories you took some glance at, and just forgot about. But for the families of the victims, a story to remember. 70.167.194.163 (talk) 17:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

The result was redirect‎ to 2024 Indian Premier League. Liz 08:04, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

2024 Indian Premier League squads

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Unnecessary WP:CFORK, as all squads already exist at 2024 Indian Premier League#Participating teams and the useful information on team changes already exists at List of 2024 Indian Premier League personnel changes. As such, we don't need this article which is just a repeated table of squads, and these reasons are why every other IPL season doesn't have this either, because it's so unnecessary. Generally, we only have separate cricket squad articles for major events for international teams, not franchise tournaments Joseph2302 (talk) 08:51, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Delete or Redirect to 2024 Indian Premier League. RangersRus (talk) 13:35, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Redirect to 2024 Indian Premier League for reasons given above. AryKun (talk) 17:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Redirect to 2024 Indian Premier League a separate article not needed for this. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Redirect No need for the same information to be copied in a separate article. RoboLet's chat 16:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Redirect to 2024 Indian Premier League 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ)

The result was keep‎. Other than the nominator, none of the participants are calling for deletion. Views are split between Keep and Merge, although more than one merge target has been proposed. The decision of what, if any, to merge, and to where, is an editorial one, and discussion can continue on the article's Talk page. This decision doesn't require an AfD to adjudicate it. Owen× ☎ 23:06, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

75 Years of Friendship through Cricket Event

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Just because this game had a specific branding of "75 Years of Friendship through Cricket Event", that doesn't make it notable enough for a separate article. There doesn't look to be WP:SUSTAINED coverage of this match, and the match itself has just WP:ROUTINE coverage. All of the "Background" section is not directly relevant to the match and could be covered in separate articles about the teams' cricketing histories, and the match details are already covered in Australian cricket team in India in 2022–23. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:41, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Keep but not necessarily strongly - I guess you could make the argument this would be better merged, but there was a lot of coverage of the political portion of the event. I am finding some sustained coverage, especially because Albanese was invited back for the final. SportingFlyer T·C 09:42, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Keep The match did recieve significant coverage in March 2023 in India. The series article you mentioned does not have much as compared to the content of this article. Moreover, if you do see, that series article itself is in an ongoing split discussion. Similar events like Namaste Trump have pages; and this was followed by an entire match.

Pharaoh496 (talk) 09:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Merge to Australian cricket team in India in 2022–23; unlike Namaste Trump or Howdy Modi or the bajillion other gimmicky diplomatic events, this one isn't independently notable. Coverage is routine and retrospective coverage is basically non-existent. AryKun (talk) 17:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- That article is already in an existing WP:SPLIT discussion, I dont deem it appropriate for the contents of this article to be merged as a singular match when they are contemplating seperating entire tours.
- It did recieve decent coverage as well as some political fallout. As stated above, I support keeping
Pharaoh496 (talk) 07:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
That split discussion has had no comments for a year and is not caused by the article being too long, so isn't relevant to whether this article should be merged into it or not. There's also many choices for merge targets, including articles about Australia-India cricket and relations. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:48, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Even if that merge discussion hasnt had comments for a year, plumping this content there will make it worse.

As stated by @SportingFlyer, and me; there was political coveage, I have tried to add a bit more. It was more than a cricket match, and I have included all the valid information on the trip.

Pharaoh496 (talk) 11:39, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
That split discussion centers on whether it was one or two distinct tours. If it gets split, this can be merged to whichever tour the Test series was part of. AryKun (talk) 14:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Still does not mean this article cant exist, per my existing points Pharaoh496 (talk) 14:42, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

@Joseph2302 I beg to differ on your original point. The event getting unique branding preparations and then the event actually getting carried out constitute an article here. By that logic, I mighth have seen half a dozen good articles with less relevance than this; but thats the point - its all relevant, valid and cited information. It has failed GAN's but the reasons were for the article to improve further (which it has), and not actually take it down. Pharaoh496 (talk) 11:42, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Merge to Australian cricket team in India in 2022–23 as this event was about diplomatic relations between two cricket playing countries when Australian team was in India 2023 for test matches against India. This event is not notable for a separate page with such title but fits best on page Australian cricket team in India in 2022–23 where a segment can be created about this celebration. RangersRus (talk) 14:08, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
The page is about a test series. Having so much information about a single test is unconventional and inconvenient, not to mention unprecedented for a conventional wikipedia test series page.

That particular page in question is already cluttered as it is. Pharaoh496 (talk) 06:25, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Merge as above; it doesn't help that the article is in extremely poor condition—essentially a badly-written, promotional political puff piece, which is unacceptable. There are only a couple of reliable sources which provide SIGCOV of the events, and they all fall under WP:ROUTINE. Every other non-sporting citation does not contribute to notability. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:58, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Can you explain this? How exactly is it a promotional junk piece? Each source is cited to the best citation available, and contains all the information about the event and all the unique things taking place Pharaoh496 (talk) 06:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
"all of the unique things taking place" can you really not hear yourself? Now find sources which show notability: read what WP:GNG says, and explain why the sources fulfil those criteria. Remember, you are arguing that the "75 Years of Friendship through Cricket Event" is notable. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:26, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

WP:BLUDGEONING
Understanding the reason to merge - Topic relevant for standalone article I would like to thank editors @AirshipJungleman29@RangersRus@AryKun@Joseph2302 for commenting here. I would like to raise some points here. This was not just a cricket match: It was a 75-year anniversary celebration of cricket relations between the two countries + of international bilateral relations + of the success of an educational agreement. All of that information is included. It would be unfair to deem it as just a cricket match article. Notwithstanding the above fact: The description of the entire match has also been included as it was at the start of the match which was played. So has the toss coin, the jersey exchange and the cap handing. This event did have significant political coverage in India and Indian media; as well as some political fallout, and I as the editor of this page have done my best to add citations and backgrounds. As stated before, the series article already has the required information of ten matches - it will be unconventional and inconvenient, not to mention unprecedented for a conventional wikipedia test series page to contain detailed information of this event. On top of it, even though it was a year ago, its undergoing a split discussion (with majority voting in favour), furthering the argument of not plumping this content onto that page. This page has failed a GAN not for lack of nobility, but simply lack of citations which has then since been changed as much as possible, and I as, one of the principal editors currently, will constantly keep looking to improve the article and take suggestions even after the conclusion of this discussion. Pharaoh496 (talk) 12:05, 27 March 2024 (UTC) Please stop WP:BLUDGEONING this discussion Pharaoh496; your behaviour is becoming disruptive and your attitude towards this page is beginning to verge on WP:OWN. I have hatted the above monologue which adds absolutely nothing new to the discussion. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:18, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

WP:BLUDGEONING

Understanding the reason to merge - Topic relevant for standalone article

I would like to thank editors @AirshipJungleman29@RangersRus@AryKun@Joseph2302 for commenting here. I would like to raise some points here.

This was not just a cricket match: It was a 75-year anniversary celebration of cricket relations between the two countries + of international bilateral relations + of the success of an educational agreement. All of that information is included. It would be unfair to deem it as just a cricket match article.
Notwithstanding the above fact: The description of the entire match has also been included as it was at the start of the match which was played. So has the toss coin, the jersey exchange and the cap handing.
This event did have significant political coverage in India and Indian media; as well as some political fallout, and I as the editor of this page have done my best to add citations and backgrounds.
As stated before, the series article already has the required information of ten matches - it will be unconventional and inconvenient, not to mention unprecedented for a conventional wikipedia test series page to contain detailed information of this event. On top of it, even though it was a year ago, its undergoing a split discussion (with majority voting in favour), furthering the argument of not plumping this content onto that page.
This page has failed a GAN not for lack of nobility, but simply lack of citations which has then since been changed as much as possible, and I as, one of the principal editors currently, will constantly keep looking to improve the article and take suggestions even after the conclusion of this discussion.

Pharaoh496 (talk) 12:05, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Please stop WP:BLUDGEONING this discussion Pharaoh496; your behaviour is becoming disruptive and your attitude towards this page is beginning to verge on WP:OWN. I have hatted the above monologue which adds absolutely nothing new to the discussion. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:18, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Comment if merged, would Australia–India relations#Cricket relations be a sensible/better target? It's already mentioned there, and so a few more sentences there would suffice. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:35, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that might be a good alternative target. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:26, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Merge with Australian cricket team in India in 2022–23: the event itself is not notable enough to have a separate wiki page. WP:1E ChunnuBhai (talk) 13:33, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

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Per the comment in the relist, this is a valid WP:SPLIT. SportingFlyer T·C 09:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
The split discussion is for a completely different issue- whether it was 2 separate series or not. And the split discussion is stale, so shouldn't impact this possible merge. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:15, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
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Indeed, SportingFlyer needs to reread Liz's comment. Regardless, I fail to see why a split discussion would mean that the article is not the right target. If it is split, then the merged information will go to the Australian cricket team in India in 2023 article, which will incorporate most of the current page. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:59, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

~~ AirshipJungleman29, well, I just wanted to bring this fact to this discussion in case it made any difference to participating editors' opinion. Apparently, it doesn't. Liz 23:47, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
I don't think there's anything wrong with this page as it stands, and the page we want to merge to is too large. It's pretty simple. SportingFlyer T·C 15:32, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Michael Graue

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I wasn't able to find sources demonstrating notability. An alternative to deletion is a redirect to List of Lost characters. toweli (talk) 08:36, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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The result was Restore to disambig‎. Further rewriting can be done, but the general consensus is to restore the article to its state as a disambig. Eddie891 _Work 11:31, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Polish–Ottoman Wars

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All of these Wars and conflicts have their own wikipedia page and all Sections are almost unsourced. It makes more sense to make a new article called "List of wars between Poland and the ottoman Empire", just like: Polish-Russian wars and Polish-Swedish Wars Olek Novy (talk) 07:36, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Another proposal Another proposal by me is not deleting the page but Reverting all edits done since January 5th and Rewriting the article with the lists of wars Involving Poland and the Ottoman Empire. Olek Novy (talk) 23:04, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
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Comment that Infobox is seriously crazy! Mccapra (talk) 21:40, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Restore to disambig. This was a disambig until a new user rewrote it (sadly, they also got banned, which I don't think was fair, but that's off topic here). Anyway. this should be restored to a disambig. No prejudice to creating an article that is an overview of Polish–Ottoman Wars. In fact, the disambig should be at Polish–Ottoman Wars (singular), so we need a move as well. What the new editor did was to create a poorly referenced overview topics, good effort but the low density of references reminds me of what we used to do 10-15 years ago. Sadly, I cannot recommend keeping their article; if they were not blocked I'd encourage them to work in this in their sandbox. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:15, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
I think it makes more sense to make a List of wars just like Polish-Russian wars and Polish-Swedish wars Olek Novy (talk) 08:59, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Restore to disambig per Pioturs. No prejudice to a future broad concept article, but this is just recycled material that competes with dedicates pages. Srnec (talk) 23:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

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Kristoffer Jørgensen

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Does not meet WP:GNG criteria. He played only a few matches at the professional level, and the only source used does not confirm his notability. Just WP:NOTJUSTYET, but maybe he deserves an article in a few months or rather years. FromCzech (talk) 07:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Draftify – The athlete can become notable in the medium term. Svartner (talk) 11:02, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
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Draftify There is at least one somewhat substantial source I found——but this comes across as slightly WP:TOOSOON. Anwegmann (talk) 16:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
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Drafify - not currently notable, but might be in future. Giant Snowman 11:19, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Keep - additional references and resources have been added. Pospeak (talk) 10:19, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Draftify per above. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:49, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

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Aspose.Words

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Incompliance with WP:N, WP:NSOFT, WP:RS, WP:V, and WP:NOT as well as lack of purpose, and advertising. Ztimes3 (talk) 06:34, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Delete: Doesn't meet WP:NSOFT as it lacks any secondary, significant coverage. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 17:38, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
It Note :Good article, but it has some errors،GQO (talk) 8:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. This should probably have been blown to bits for WP:BROCHURE alone even if there were sources, but sources there aren't. Barely any mentions outside their own website at all, and those mentions it does have are not anywhere near close to meeting WP:NPRODUCT. Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:05, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

The result was draftify‎. As an alternative to deletion. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:32, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Mormonism and authority

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This is an essay not an encyclopedia article. None of the sources are about this topic, with each being used to back up a string of arguments used to make this article entirely from wp:or and wp:synth

If any books ABOUT Mormonism and authority come out, such an article should exist then. Big Money Threepwood (talk) 06:01, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Delete per Misplaced Pages:Blow it up and start over. There should be an article on this, but all the content here is SYNTH from primary sourcing or misuse of reliable second sources. ~ Pbritti (talk) 14:00, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Delete per TNT: mildly interesting essay as it stands, but not what Misplaced Pages's for. AryKun (talk) 17:21, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Keep or Draftify. The article as it now stands is undeniably an essay that needs to be completely rewritten. I recently acquired several excellent sources on this exact topic, and I will be working on this article as I can in order to improve it, but I do request that is not deleted until such changes are taken into consideration. As the OP hinted at regarding books, these include two books which I have added to the article. Rollidan (talk) 17:59, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment per others, I do not object to draftifying or WP:TNT and starting over. Rollidan (talk) 18:54, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

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Draftify I'm inclined to support deletion because the article reads more like an essay, which doesn't fit within WP guidelines as outlined in WP:NOTESSAY. However, Rollidan has pointed out that there may still be a chance to improve the article. Ckfasdf (talk) 06:22, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Delete or Draftify, there may be a notable topic under there but TNT would likely be needed to find it. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:01, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

The result was speedy deleted‎ by Bbb23 per criterion A7. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris 20:40, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Carlos Parra (singer)

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Propose this article before you make it. Allan Nonymous (talk) 05:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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The result was redirect‎ to Kota Kinabalu#shopping. where newly identified sourcing can be added to the existing mention. Consensus appears that sourcing isn't sufficient for a standalone. Star Mississippi 14:36, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Karamunsing Complex

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Marked for notability concerns 11 months ago. A search for sources only found routine coverage rather than indepth coverage to meet WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 05:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to Kota Kinabalu#shopping where the shopping centre is already mentioned if notability for a separate article cannot be established. Rupples (talk) 13:42, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

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Keep. I added some references. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 08:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
I've looked at the additional sources. 2 of them appear to be blog like websites. and LibStar (talk) 09:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
Weak keep - a quick news search brings up several articles where the centre is mentioned in passing, or it is the main focus but the article is fairly short. So although significant coverage isn't immediately demonstrable, I'm reasonably confident that such coverage is likely to exist (e.g. in newspapers at the time of the mall opening etc). Waggers TALK 11:26, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
WP:MUSTBESOURCES. You must specify the sources you claim that exist. LibStar (talk) 11:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Joseph Iyobo

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Fails GNG and no SIGCOV. Being a head of a church regards a notable one per WP:CLERGY and verifiable by multiple reliable sources. BEFORE found nothing even with different change of related name on google news per WP: BISHOP. It is noteworthy to say: it's neither written as an Encyclopedic material nor a notable reference since it lacks context also to identify WP:N All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 04:51, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Comment: Also did not pass WP: NAUTHOR and WP: JOURNALIST. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 04:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Delete: Fails WP:GNG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 23:50, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

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Kooi-Ying Mah

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Only 2 articles link to this. Nothing in gnews or Australian database trove. 2 small mentions in google books. Fails WP:ARCHITECT. LibStar (talk) 04:41, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Comment: I'm not ready to vote Keep or delete but want to comment that it is irrelevant if a modern day Australian is not in Trove. Trove is not the only place to look especially if the person is fairly young. Trove newspapers and magazines are generally "digitised up to 1954, with select newspapers and gazettes contributed up to present day (rights and funding permitting)." As an example, a better place to look would be in recent Australian architectural journals through EBSCO or JSTOR.LPascal (talk) 10:57, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

She gets no hits in Jstor. LibStar (talk) 22:49, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

I've just checked JSTOR and from the list I could find, it does not index Australian architectural journals (except for Australian landscape architecture) and the architectural journals it does index are usually UK or US and limited to pre 2020). So I'm just pointing out that when you search for a younger, living Australian in databases to see if they have been written about, you have to understand that some databases mostly include non-Australian reference sources and may be limited in their date coverage, so that you can't assume that a person is non-notable because they don't appear in certain databases of reference sources. If you can find a better list of journals on JSTOR, I'd welcome receiving the link because it's difficult to find.LPascal (talk) 04:24, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

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Delete, nothing popped up on TWL or google. Mach61 16:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Delete – Per nom. No new sources or arguments against the nomination were presented. Svartner (talk) 05:13, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

E-Dyario

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Unreferenced since 2010 and the digital newspaper itself seems to be dead since 2015. No references found from GNews, GNews Archives and GBooks. Note that there might be Spanish language sources that I can't read/found. --Lenticel 04:38, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Delete: Per nom. Basic search revealed nothing with SIGCOV. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 04:16, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

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Soft Delete: The corresponding spanish article have three independent citation which shows it is likely notable but I can't find it passing WP:SIGCOV.GAGIWOR (talk) 04:52, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Nica Digerness

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Fails WP:NSKATE; has neither won a medal at an international competition, nor has she won the U.S. national championships. Bgsu98 (Talk) 03:21, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Danny Neudecker

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Fails WP:NSKATE; has neither won a medal at an international competition, nor has he won the U.S. national championships at the senior level. Bgsu98 (Talk) 03:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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The result was redirect‎ to Walgreens. History remains if someone wants to merge sourced material. Star Mississippi 01:45, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Intercom Plus

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Promotional article about a non-notable subject. This is a proprietary software program used internally at a single company. The article currently has no sources, and I can't find any good sources to add; the most I've found is a few brief summaries in company publications and old newspaper articles. It might warrant a mention in the Walgreens article, but it doesn't need its own article. IagoQnsi (talk) 02:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Merge to Walgreens, some secondary mentions to be verifiable but not independently notable from Walgreens. Some coverage in Computerworld and this College of William and Mary case study . ~ A412 05:36, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

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Comment: Article is completely unsourced. Shadow311 (talk) 15:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
Merge per A412 -- Aunva6 15:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

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Ventana Wilderness Alliance

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A run of the mill local "cause" organization with little coverage beyond local area. Coverage in broader area sources are trivial, such as "Sykes had become an “attractive nuisance,” said Mike Splain, executive director of the Ventana Wilderness Alliance."

An article on company/organization needs significant, independent, reliable coverage in multiple sources and at least one of those needs to be a regional or national source. Graywalls (talk) 02:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Weak keep: This article by a California-wide magazine might count as regional significant coverage: , but it's an obscure publication. There's lots of information about this group out there, but as nom pointed out it's almost all local, affiliated with the VWA, and/or routine nonprofit listings. The article is well-written and informative, so it would be a shame to delete it, but without better sourcing that might be the only answer. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 02:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
@WeirdNAnnoyed:, This is an organization, so NCORP is the stanard to be met. "obscure publication" would likely not pass WP:AUD Graywalls (talk) 23:08, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

The result was no consensus‎. I'm closing this as No Consensus as it has been open for a month now. Editors are somewhat united that "something" should happen with this content but there is no consensus on what that is. It is out of a closer's purview to "export" or "wikify" content from an article to another project. Maybe start a talk page discussion and return to AFD when there is a sign of more participation. Or raise the question on the Military History WikiProject and perhaps folks there might have some opinion on either what should be done with this article or how it could be improved. Liz 03:10, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Military designation of days and hours

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There may be something useful here, but right now we have a mess. The lead talks about NATO, but the title suggests more general topic, and what we have is a poorly referenced list of various A-Day to Z-Day as used in various contexts, from WWII, to NATO to US military. Right now this is an ORish mess of military trivia. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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Keep Sure it needs (massive) improvement, but it's a collection of hard to find definitions, not all of which appear (yet) under the corresponding standalone entries. Urhixidur (talk) 13:55, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Delete It doesn't know what it is. It's not an article, not really a list. The title is global, but the entries are exclusively US/NATO (okay, this could be fixed). There's a mish mash of operational jargon like "F-Hour" mixed in amongst historical terms like V-E Day (which already redirect onto the appropriate - notable! - article). Feels like trivia/fandom. The opening line sets the tone: "NATO designations are specified in Allied Administrative Publication AAP-6 (STANAG 3680) NATO Glossary of Terms and Definitions," Um, okay. So go read STANAG 3680. There is no need to duplicate it here. Similarly, the terms marked (US) are lifted directly (often verbatim) from JP1-02 (Department of Defense Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms). WP:NOTDICT.

It could be a Wiktionary Appendix - "Appendix: US Military Day and Hour Designations" and "Appendix: NATO Day and Hour Designations" but I don't see it as encyclopaedic content. Hemmers (talk) 15:44, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

If you're advocating for a Move, don't label it Delete. Urhixidur (talk) 18:57, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

I’m not advocating for a Move on en.wikipedia. I’m advocating for Delete. This content could be useful on Wiktionary, which is a parallel project. This involves Deleting from en.wiki and creating new page(s) on Wiktionary. Hemmers (talk) 19:43, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Call it Export then. Urhixidur (talk) 14:44, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

I have seen people say Transwikify... but who will do it? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:26, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

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Delete: Not a notable list. Misplaced Pages is not a dictionary or glossary as presented by Department of Defense Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms. -- Otr500 (talk) 17:26, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Comment. Although I am the nom here, I keep thinkng that this might be saved through listification perhaps? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:25, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. The recent RFC on athletes ties my hands, we have to abide by the guidelines it set and those editors arguing for Deletion have rejected the sources brought forward by those editors advocating Keep as being ROUTINE coverage. The new policy rules out even a "No consensus" closure. If an editor would like this article draftified or moved to their User space, let me know or put in a request at WP:REFUND Liz 01:53, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Hassan Houbeib

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:17, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

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Keep A regular national team player who plays in a league that gets pretty much zero regular coverage. He has no chance of SIGCOV even though he is clearly notable for Mauritanian football. Anwegmann (talk) 22:41, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

"Zero regular coverage" and "no chance", you mean coverage in English, right? I wouldn't know how to conduct a meaningful search in his alphabet, but he featured at the 2023 Africa Cup of Nations just a month ago. Geschichte (talk) 08:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

His appearance at 2024 AFCON speaks to my point, I think. The Mauritanian and Iraqi leagues don't receive much coverage from trustworthy media sources—French, English, or Arabic—and individual Mauritanian players in the local league and more "obscure," for lack of a better word, leagues receive even less. My point is that a strict interpretation of WP:SIGCOV, without taking larger context and performance into account, skews coverage on Misplaced Pages away from non-Western players, venturing into WP:BIAS territory. Because Houbeib has appeared more than a dozen times for a national team and appeared in a major continental tournament recently that was broadcast around the world, to me, his notability is established. Would I like to see more significant coverage in classical media sources? Yes, of course. But in this case, I don't think it's required to keep the article. This isn't a third-division semi-pro player who represented his country once at under-19 level. This is a regular player for a national team that qualified for and played in a continental tournament. Anwegmann (talk) 16:21, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I was just made aware of this AfD in another discussion circling around the possibility of inherent notability due to national team caps. If anything, this provides some precedent for what I'm saying. I acknowledge, though, that 15 national team caps is a bit low for inherent notability, given the precedent established in the linked AfD. That said, though, appearance in the 2023 Africa Cup of Nations reasonably adds to this player's notability. I would be willing to change my vote to "draftify" if we can reach some kind of consensus about this. Anwegmann (talk) 16:44, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Just to clarify: the cap tally is now 21. I also believe that we are now far, far into WP:BIAS territory. There is a difference between a performing team like Mauritania and insignificant countries (within football) such as Belize and Nepal. But, alas: sources. Geschichte (talk) 08:00, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Although I don't fully agree that there is a difference between national teams, as they each have fundamental value in world football, I agree with your sentiment and overall point here. Houbeib continues to appear for a national team that recently performed in a continental tournament. This is well into the realm of WP:BIAS. Anwegmann (talk) 01:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:31, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

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Keep - He has international caps therefore he is undoubtedly notable. IJA (talk) 10:40, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Which guideline states this? Spiderone 20:31, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Delete, if even the editors advocating to keep this article acknowledge there is not and will not be IRS SIGCOV then clearly a standalone article is not warranted. JoelleJay (talk) 19:29, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

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Strong keep - coverage found here (signing), here (signing), here (contract extension), and probably many more Arabic-language sources. All I did was search the player's Arabic name (الحسن سالم احويبيب) and some immediate results came back. I can't read or understand Arabic so my search ended after these three articles— but I'm sure there's way more. Then, we need to consider that the bar for Mauritanian footballers' coverage is lower than for Western players, as there is just naturally more media coverage of sports in Western countries in general. Lastly, this guy has made 20+ caps for a prominent African national team, and has competed at a MAJOR tournament. The evidence of coverage existing, the threshold being at a certain level, and the prominence of the player all bring me to the conclusion that article needs to be kept & improved. I'd even suggest a page move to fix currently incorrect page title. Paul Vaurie (talk) 01:06, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
@GiantSnowman and The Herald: Sources found. Paul Vaurie (talk) 01:08, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

You should ping JoelleJay. I simply relisted. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 01:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Those sources are the definition of routine, trivial transactional coverage, not to mention non-independent since almost everything in them is quoted from the club. And the first two are essentially identical! Why would you link to those sources as evidence of SIGCOV if you didn't even read them?? JoelleJay (talk) 01:47, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

I agree that these sources don't appear enough. Giant Snowman 19:21, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman and JoelleJay: Y'all have your bar set way too high for coverage of this player. You must remember that the subject is a Mauritanian footballer—not English, German, but Mauritanian. Also, playing at a major tournament like AFCON definitely means that Arabic-language sources exist... deleting this article would start a slippery slope in which hundreds non-Western articles would get deleted simply due to a lack of easily-findable coverage by editors that exclusively use Latin-alphabet keyboards. Take some time to do a proper Arabic-language search instead of bashing this article and not giving it much thought.
In my opinion, the surface-level presence of Arabic-language sources shows that relative to the depth of all coverage of Mauritania-related topics, this player has some kind of notability. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:09, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Even more digging shows plenty of stuff about him popping up. this, this, and notably this. Yes, there is a routine feel to the coverage, but there's just a point where you have to understand that the bar is not as high as it would be for a player playing in Western Europe. The fact that there's just this many articles on a relatively obscure Mauritanian footballer says something. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:16, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

If this article is deleted, we could probably delete 50% of all articles about footballers from Arabic-language countries where media coverage is harder to find. That's not a good thing. I understand there are deletionists, but this isn't an article that should be deleted, especially considering how prominent this player is in African football. (Yes, competing at two AFCONs is quite prominent, I think). Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

The fact that there is just naturally more media coverage of sports in Western countries in general is literally why more athletes from Western countries are notable. If a subject doesn't get IRS SIGCOV then by definition it is not notable! What you are arguing is for us to reinstate presumptions of coverage--or even inherent notability--based on the subject reaching some arbitrary, subjective level of achievement, but such presumptions have been repeatedly and near-unanimously rejected.
Misplaced Pages talk:Notability (sports)/Archive 54#Renewed proposal for association football (soccer)
Misplaced Pages talk:Notability (sports)/Archive 55#Should we soften the phrase "Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources."?
Misplaced Pages talk:Notability (sports)/Archive 52#Proposed Notability criteria track and field athletes (see WP:NTRACK) The community has rejected participation-based notability criteria even when a single appearance in some league or tournament empirically predicts SIGCOV 100% of the time; there is thus 0% chance of us accepting any criterion whose SIGCOV predictive power isn't supported by any evidence at all. JoelleJay (talk) 01:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

The 2022 RfC made it clear the requirement for SPORTCRIT SIGCOV applies to all athletes, regardless of location or time. We do not change our bar for coverage based on where the subject is from. Conferring notability to some geographical subset of subjects via the exact same routine, trivial, and non-independent sources we dismiss for subjects everywhere else in the world is patronizing and would only encourage applying those same standards to progressively less encyclopedic tiers of Western subjects. And presuming actual SIGCOV does exist based only on the presence of such low-quality non-GNG sources is exactly what was deprecated through wide consensus two years ago.The 4th source you link is identical to source #3, #5 is trivial coverage of the same topic, and literally the only secondary independent coverage of Houbeib in #6 is Al-Zawraa player, Mauritanian Al-Hassan Ahouibib, joined the team's training today, Monday, after the end of his vacation, which was granted to him with the cancellation of last season. The rest is taken directly from the club. This is the case for all of the sources you've linked: a couple sentences of routine transactional announcements interspersed with "the club said " and more general updates on the club as a whole. JoelleJay (talk) 00:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

If you think this article aught to be deleted, I urge you to start nominating every single other similar player article that has "less" notability than this guy. You'll find that there's much more coverage of this guy than some other players who survived AfD in the past or that have articles that happen to exist despite probably failing GNG/SPORTCRIT. I stand firmly in my belief that we're being too harsh here and that the coverage is enough. Also, how did you brush by these sentences?
1. Al-Hassan Ahwaibib is considered one of the reasons for the strength of Al-Zawraa’s defense during the past season, due to its consistent level during the tournament.
2.Huwaibib plays as a libero. He played great matches with Al-Zawraa last season, and succeeded in convincing coach Ayoub Odisho to renew with the team and lead the defense line...
These seem like notable secondary independent coverage of the subject. That's three different sources offering secondary coverage. Who says there isn't more? I can't properly do an Arabic-language search and this is what I found easily. Paul Vaurie (talk) 04:20, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

If you can find significant, Arabic-language coverage, then great., I'll happily re-consider. Giant Snowman 19:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

You will find that I have been extremely consistent in supporting deletion of hundreds of subjects with this level of coverage. We are slowly working through the backlog of poorly-sourced articles, so just because many still exist doesn't mean their standards of coverage are endorsed.
Those are among the routine, trivial sentences that I referenced above. We would not consider someone in the 5th tier of English football to meet GNG with such sources, we should not lower our standards just because you think footballers in certain regions deserve articles. JoelleJay (talk) 19:35, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. Sources are trivial and routine. If the subject does not receive significant coverage, there is nothing that can be done. Additionally, the argument pointing to the existence of other articles related to players from Arabic-speaking countries is irrelevant per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.

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Delete. Nothing but routine transfer and signing news popping up. There are many many places online where somone can view the statistics and team history of a soccer player; Misplaced Pages needn't be one of them. Mach61 — Preceding undated comment added 07:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm concerned that someone would say that Mauritius is an Arabic-speaking country. There's probably more Arabic spoken in many western countries than Mauritius! Nfitz (talk) 20:18, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

@Nfitz: Why do you keep mentioning Mauritius? We're talking about a Mauritanian player. Paul Vaurie (talk) 09:36, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Oops - Mauritanian not Mauritian. Well, I should stop searching the Mauritian media! Aren't I the fool! Nfitz (talk) 11:55, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Keep - there's nothing in WP:ROUTINE that says that articles about transfers are routine coverage; the example given there is "sports score" and "sports matches". If one wants to play by the "rules" that no longer make an international player (let alone with 20+ caps for his nation), one needs to not exaggerate the other "rules". Nfitz (talk) 19:14, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Even if transactional announcements weren't overwhelmingly considered routine by editors at AfD, as you well know, the sources above also fail independence by simply repeating what club officials have said, and fail SIGCOV by being trivial. Do you have any evidence of actual IRS SIGCOV or are you really claiming that the sources above that even other keep !voters acknowledge is routine and non-significant actually meet GNG? JoelleJay (talk) 19:44, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
The bottom line is what's in policy and guidelines - not what a few editors have pushed. I don't believe the claims of lack of independence are correct - how is this not independent? I'll admit photographs of him playing in major Canadian newspapers don't count for anything - other than my surprise. Nfitz (talk) 20:15, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
@Nfitz, the issue is that these short articles are primary sources (see WP:NEWSPRIMARY), and primary sources do not establish notability. Unlike secondary sources, they contain no original analysis or synthesis of existing primary sources Mach61 01:37, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
I don't see User talk:Mach61, how the that is an primary source. Also, can you please explain why Rimsport and Cridem are not independent. Nfitz (talk) 04:14, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
@Nfitz May you please stop trying to preform a Gish gallop and actually address my argument. I said nothing about independence, and I explained why I thought those sources were primary. Mach61 12:06, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Wow - so rude. Why? I do not understand why you think that Rimsport and Cridem are primary sources. I don't see where you've explained why they are primary sources - you've simply stated they are. They don't look primary to me. Nfitz (talk) 16:11, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
@Nfitz Most every source you've brought so far is primary because they are original materials that are close to an event. As explained at WP:NEWSPRIMARY, a newspaper article is a primary source if it reports events, but a secondary source if it analyses and comments on those events. I called what you are doing a Gish gallop because you are not actually adressing the reasoning behind the arguments I have made, but are merely stating them to be incorrect without elaboration. Cheers, Mach61 20:03, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Arguments? What arguments? You simply said it was primary, without even trying to explain why. And why pretend I've provided multiple sources, when I provided one, that despite multiple polite requests, you won't even discuss. This is not okay - you can't just make stuff up in AFD, User:Mach61. Nfitz (talk) 20:33, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Can you please explain (or retract) User:Mach61? Nfitz (talk) 22:34, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
No 🗿 Mach61 23:30, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

For example, routine news coverage of announcements, events, sports, or celebrities, while sometimes useful, is not by itself a sufficient basis for inclusion of the subject of that coverageDo you seriously need the policy to spell out "routine news coverage of announcements such as sports transaction announcements, ..."?Someone else quoting/relaying information from primary non-independent sources does not make that information secondary and independent. What you link now was not among the "sources above" that I referenced in my comment. It is still clearly routine transactional news of dubious independence--more than likely it is purely derived from the club's press release. JoelleJay (talk) 00:07, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
The policy mention sports scores and sports matches. And that's the test for having an article about a match; not even for using it as a source. The article hardly reads like a press release, as it includes too much context. I don't think you can use a hypothesis of it being a reprint of a press release that you can't find as the basis for anything here. And really - 20 international caps - is this the hill to have a borderline debate about? Given the lack of online Mauritanian news, we should probably defer this until there's a good database of Mauritanian news. Nfitz (talk) 02:34, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
I am not quoting ROUTINE. I am quoting WP:NOTNEWS policy. Newspapers report on every transfer announcement with similar depth and little independent secondary contribution, with almost all facts derived from the club's press release. That is the definition of "routine news coverage of announcements ... sports".
We have multiple people advising that Mauritanian news doesn't provide SIGCOV of this topic in general. We don't have any evidence to suggest otherwise, and we had global consensus to deprecate any presumption that such coverage exists based on number of matches or tournament appearances. JoelleJay (talk) 16:20, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
If I follow that logic to the end, doesn't it mean not mentioning any transfers of players in most articles - unless like something tragic happens during the transfer. Nfitz (talk) 22:31, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Andriy Nikolaychuk

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Fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article are OBITs with all the normal problems. BEFORE found nothing with WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS WP:RS addressing the subject directly and indepth. // Timothy :: talk 01:53, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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Keep there is no reason to delete this article Salfanto (talk) 17:24, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

What could keep the article from being deleted? Also I got a notification saying that the article had been reviewed Salfanto (talk) 16:45, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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~~Keep~~ Salfanto (talk) 17:10, 28 March 2024 (UTC) (you can only cast one "vote" Liz 02:56, 29 March 2024 (UTC))

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The result was keep‎. Eddie891 _Work 01:20, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Joseph Otterbeen

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A Lugnuts stub, this was created at Claude Otterbeen and then moved to Joseph Otterbeen; one of the sources refers to a Claude and the other a Joseph with no explanation, though it seems unlikely these are two different Otterbeens running the 3000m in the 1920s Olymics. The best source is the one-paragraph obituary and the rest are databases, I haven't been able to find better and even his name is unclear. Rusalkii (talk) 01:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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The SR piece is outdated (became Olympedia, which has since updated to reflect that the Olympian was actually named Joseph) – also note that the Nederlands Misplaced Pages has some more text and lists a bunch of offline sources, including some that specifically seem to be about him (being mentioned in the title). BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
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Keep based on the sources from the Dutch Misplaced Pages. Remember that per WP:NEXISTS we only have to show that sources exist, we don't actually have to have physical or electronic access to them to keep the article. We know that these sources exist, even though I don't have access to the Dutch media, we can find someone who does to help improve the article:

"Beroepsloopen - Over onze vervlogen Olympische droom. Jos. Otterbeen verdwijnt uit onze sport". Sportwereld. 4 March 1925.
"Athletiek". Sportwereld. 18 July 1920.
"Voetloopen - Ronde van Brugge". Sportwereld. 17 October 1919.

Thanks, --Habst (talk) 16:57, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Lean Keep per Habst. The offline sources appear to be likely to have significant coverage, especially the 1925 Sportwereld piece which features him in the title (it seems to be translated, "Our shattered Olympic dream: Otterbeen disappears from our sport"). BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:03, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
~~Delete~~. Even if the Sportwereld sources above were all SIGCOV, that would count as one source, while GNG needs more. If we actually knew that those sources were SIGCOV we would at least have SPORTCRIT and could potentially delay deletion based on that, but without access we have zero evidence they offer anything beyond routine coverage (and we are explicitly discouraged from assuming anything from headlines). NEXISTS requires the sources to be SIGCOV if they're supposed to contribute to notability. JoelleJay (talk) 20:41, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- There's a point when...this is just ridiculous. How the heck, then, are we supposed to determine notability for subjects whom we have no access to sources from their time period? Its ridiculous if knowing there's articles featuring and focusing on them is not enough when there's no way to access any sources from that time period! Common sense would indicate that if a newspaper has a title mentioning someone in such a high light (seems to be saying that the Olympic dreams for the region the paper covers are shattered due to this athlete retiring) in a title of that sort that it would be sigcov. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:50, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
  - Strike that; remembered that Otterbeen is from Belgium, and the discussion on Georges Demulder mentioned a Belgian newspaper archive. There's over 150 matches for his name here but none are accessible without registration (not sure how to do that personally). @Gidonb: At the Demulder discussion it sounded like you were able to get access to that source. Can you tell if any of the results for Otterbeen are sigcov? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:56, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
@JoelleJay, thanks for your response.

Even if the Sportwereld sources above were all SIGCOV – We know for sure they are WP:SIGCOV, we don't have to assume based on titles or otherwise, because we can read the facts cited to them on the Dutch Misplaced Pages. The sources speak to Otterbeen's intentions ("Otterbeen was originally a professional runner, but with a view to participating in the Antwerp Olympics, he joined the amateurs..."), we know that it would be impossible to read someone's intentions from just a database or results listing. So, based on the reading of WP:SPORTCRIT cited above, we are obligated to delay deletion.
Thanks to @BeanieFan11's great research, I created an account on Belgica Press and retrieved the 150 matches. For example, look at page 3, top right corner here for some coverage (you shouldn't need an account to view this): . Or see right hand side of page 3 here: I don't know the language, but there are hundreds of matches for Otterbeen's name and I can see many more of them in prose. Would you consider changing your vote to at least "delay deletion" based on this evidence, as your reading of the policy would obligate us to do? --Habst (talk) 18:01, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
We do not know it is IRS SIGCOV because we do not know whether the facts are being relayed through secondary analysis by independent journalists or if they are coming from non-independent, primary quotes. JoelleJay (talk) 22:58, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
@JoelleJay, thanks, we do know that it is WP:IRS because it comes from a newspaper, Sportwereld, which has an editorial team and it is not sourced to an advertisement. We also know that the facts aren't coming from quotes, because in the Dutch Misplaced Pages they don't say that Otterbeen "was quoted" or similar, they simply state the facts as relayed through the journalists. If they were being sourced from quotes, we'd expect wording such as "Otterbeen said" on nlwiki or even an inclusion of the quote. Because that isn't there, we know that it's SIGCOV, obligating us to at least delay deletion.

As proof of this, I found the actual cited article here (click the 4th page at the bottom, middle left hand side of the page):
"Beroepsloopen - Over onze vervlogen Olympische droom. Jos. Otterbeen verdwijnt uit onze sport". Sportwereld. 4 March 1925. p. 4.

You can see by reading the article, Otterbeen is not merely quoted, but there is substantial analysis by secondary independent journalists done on the subject. Based on this, could you please change your vote to delay deletion as obligated by SPORTCRIT, or keep if you think that the multiple sources provided and shown to have existed are sufficient to establish notability?

Thank you, --Habst (talk) 21:15, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
That indeed looks like non-trivial coverage so I will strike my !vote. However, just because something comes from a newspaper does not mean it is IRS! PR notices, specials to the paper, etc. do not get labeled as "advertisements". And certainly we cannot assume Dutch wikipedia would attribute as a quote every single fact about the guy that was sourced to a quote (by him or anyone else). We know that editors routinely state basic info derived from quotations as fact. JoelleJay (talk) 17:37, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
@JoelleJay, thank you for striking your vote. I appreciate your point of view. In this case, I think we did know it was not sourced to a PR notice or paper special, because the title and contents were known and I can't think of any way that combination could have been part of anything but a standard news article in context. The editor @Akadunzio has a great reputation with over 37,000 edits and 14 years of experience, so I think it would have been stated as such if facts were obtained only from quotes. Now with hindsight, we know that the facts were not obtained from quotes anyways, because we have the full article text and it contains enough non-quote information. Thanks, --Habst (talk) 20:13, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Keep - thanks to much work by Habst (and agreement with Beaniefan11's exasperation). Ingratis (talk) 18:49, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
As nom, withdraw my nomination per alternative language sources (which I really should have remembered to check) and Habst's research. Rusalkii (talk) 19:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

The result was nomination withdrawn, plain and simple (non-admin closure)‎. Ouro (blah blah) 06:51, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Slacks (disambiguation)

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Utterly useless, as the measly two entries are already listed in Slack. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:54, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Withdraw nomination. I'm just going to boldly redirect there. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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The result was redirect‎ to Kathmandu University School of Medical Sciences#Colleges granted affiliation by KUSMS to run MBBS courses. (wow, that's a long redirect) Liz 01:40, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Nobel Medical College

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Contested draft, so we're here. No evidence of N:ORG level coverage for this private medical school nor its journal. Explicitly do not recommend Drafting since creator has history of moving articles back Star Mississippi 17:48, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

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It's a tough one. Only a few short years ago, we used to keep high schools and colleges if they existed. This one definitely exists. And it's not any old college, it's a medical college. Nepal doesn't have many of those. So, there is no way this isn't notable. But, WP:NEXIST stopped working as an argument a long time ago. And educational institutions come under WP:NORG now. I don't think we should stop anyone working on this in draftspace. For the mainspace, in the meantime, the best thing would be to redirect it to Kathmandu_University_School_of_Medical_Sciences#Colleges_granted_affiliation_by_KUSMS_to_run_MBBS_courses. Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:42, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Explicitly do not recommend Drafting since creator has history of moving articles back. It does not matter at AFD because AFD consensus to draftify would be enforceable with admin tools. Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:42, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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Star Mississippi, what do you think about redirecting as suggested above and allowing the creator to work in draftspace and use AFC if they want, with the understanding that anything AFD finds consensus for would be enforceable with admin tools? Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:48, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
I would be fine with that. But the problem is it's not really enforceable since AfC is optional. But fingers crossed. Star Mississippi 03:16, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Strong keep Notable enough. There are few medical colleges in Nepal approved by Government of Nepal and Nobel Medical college is one of them and they have produced many doctors to the society. In fact to defend with it i would like to provide some reliable sources here . DIV IN E

The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:47, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

The royal crowns of the Maldives

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Reviewed during NPP. Of the 4 sources, 3 don't even mention the topic and the 4th is a twitter/X post. Plus I couldn't find any sources. Tagged by others since December 2023. North8000 (talk) 00:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. No reliable citations. Celia Homeford (talk) 10:43, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Delete per nomination. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 21:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Delete – fails notability guidelines. Toadette 11:01, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:46, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

The Polarities of Democracy

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability. Appears to be a neologism created by one person (Benet) and all of the real coverage in the sources is him and his institute. Tagged by others for source issues since December 2023. North8000 (talk) 00:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Delete per nom. Fails WP:NEO and WP:GNG. Sal2100 (talk) 16:50, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Delete per nomination. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 21:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Snehil Dixit Mehra

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Reviewed during NPP. Article content is basic resume material with flowerly wording. Lots of references but all appear to be brief announcements or press release material. In some cases the exact reference is repeated, in other cases the exact same press-release type material at different sites. Author is current blocked for multiple account abuse. North8000 (talk) 00:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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The result was redirect‎ to Video scaler#AI upscaling. Liz 23:51, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

AI video upscaler

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Obviously AI generated WP:OR piece and there doesn't appear to be any actual coverage of this topic other than ads or questionable "top 10 best ai video upscalers 2024" type of lists. WP:JUNK StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 00:25, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Comment. I wonder if there's a good redirect target to either video scaler or image scaling. ~ A412 00:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Delete: Ai-written article about AI programs? I'm surprised there aren't sources about this, I don't see any sources, other than perhaps articles where it's briefly mentioned in hardware reviews for example. Oaktree b (talk) 00:56, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Delete, can't see value in redirecting versus BLOWITUP. Article is oddly similar to a "10 Best" blog post at the Cyberlink website, about products which claim to use AI for video scaling. I can't find SIGCOV in secondary sources about the use of AI in video scaling sufficient for a separate article, just product pages. Wikishovel (talk) 07:13, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
~~Redirect and merge if sourced properly~~ Redirect to Video scaler#AI upscaling – Rings bells of AI written, but AfD is not for cleanup. While not specifically written as "AI video upscaler", searching AI video upscaler on Google News gives us titles like Adobe unveils AI-driven Project ResUp for video upscaling, This YouTuber Upscaled a Scene From an 1895 Film to 4K 60FPS Using AI, others of that sort. Redirects are cheap, and this is a valid redirect in my opinion. TLA 11:13, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
If not that I suggest renaming to AI upscaler. TLA 11:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
I suggest cleaning up and convert to a section in an "AI upscaler" article. Hym3242 (talk) 14:35, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
@Hym3242, there is no AI upscaler. Video scaler and Image scaling are the targets that have been mentioned in the discussion. ~Kvng (talk) 14:00, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Merge with Video scaler: per TLA. - Master of Hedgehogs 14:38, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect, do not merge to Video scaler#AI upscaling. - I added some (human generated) text, so now it's mentioned there. ~ A412 21:11, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Thank you, human. TLA 20:44, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Redirect, don't merge—this seems like a sensible solution. This article adds absolutely nothing of value to the 'pedia, or the world. —Tom Morris (talk) 15:11, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

The result was merge‎ to List of U.S. county secession proposals#Washington. Eddie891 _Work 01:20, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Independence County, Washington

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Not notable at all with very few sources, and the only two sources used in the article seem to not work anymore. Parts of this could probably be merged into the Whatcom County, Washington article too PersusjCP (talk) 00:20, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Merge to List_of_U.S._county_secession_proposals#Washington. Reywas92 01:12, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Comment: We can add more sources and use archived links for the broken sources - Master of Hedgehogs 14:40, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Merge and redirect into List_of_U.S._county_secession_proposals#Washington, where it is already referenced. No prejudice against re-creation if enough WP:RS-based coverage to pass WP:GNG can be found. Sal2100 (talk) 15:00, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I'd also support a merge to List_of_U.S._county_secession_proposals#Washington just to be clear :)

PersusjCP (talk) 18:12, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Merge and redirect per previous votes. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 21:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

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