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| : We currently have 4 other essays in this vein. ] is about bigotry in general, yet we also have ] (which I don't see anybody saying should redirect there), and then we have ] and ] about ''specific'' kinds of racists (and I see nobody clamoring for a redirect there). 3 essays on racism, yet none on queerphobia... Interestingly, ] was nominated for deletion in ] and ] for the same vague charges of advocacy and foruming. | : We currently have 4 other essays in this vein. ] is about bigotry in general, yet we also have ] (which I don't see anybody saying should redirect there), and then we have ] and ] about ''specific'' kinds of racists (and I see nobody clamoring for a redirect there). 3 essays on racism, yet none on queerphobia... Interestingly, ] was nominated for deletion in ] and ] for the same vague charges of advocacy and foruming. | ||
| : {{tq|Trying to elevate social conservatives and gender critical beliefs to the same level as Nazism}} where does it do this? NONAZIS was the first essay of this sort written, but we also have ]. ] (]) 16:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC) | : {{tq|Trying to elevate social conservatives and gender critical beliefs to the same level as Nazism}} where does it do this? NONAZIS was the first essay of this sort written, but we also have ]. ] (]) 16:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC) | ||
| :*'''Comment''': I have notified the LGBT noticeboard of this move discussion. Pinging those who've discussed/edited the essay: other significant contributors to the essay (@], @], and @]), those who have weighed in on the talk page (@], @], and @]), and @] who weighed in at ]. | |||
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Misplaced Pages:No queerphobes
It's a political screed coatracking as an essay. People are free to believe what they will as long as they do not act in a manner that is disruptive. The "No (fill in whichever group or set of beliefs you want banned)" essays are getting out of hand. Trying to elevate social conservatives and gender critical beliefs to the same level as Nazism is an abuse of WP:ESSAYS and also of WP:NOTADVOCACY and WP:NOTFORUM. It smacks of an attempt to turn Misplaced Pages into an ideological echo chamber. We need to draw a line somewhere and this seems like a good place to start. Ad Orientem (talk) 01:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Misplaced Pages:Hate is disruptive - We don't need an essay for every specific form of hate speech. - ZLEA T\ 01:50, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Misplaced Pages:Hate is disruptive All queer people should feel welcome to edit here. My own brother is queer, but we are both on the same page on this topic. However, this does not mean we have to indef everyone who does not agree with all of the LGBT community's demands. I know I am not. Scorpions1325 (talk) 02:04, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: We already have Misplaced Pages:No personal attacks. If we start adding "no personal attacks on X group" specific pages, we would be here all day. Cambalachero (talk) 04:19, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Move to the main author's user space, then redirect the WP title (and the various other WP shortcuts that have already been put in place) to WP:Hate is disruptive. I don't think this would be a problem as a user space essay, reflecting one editor's (or one group of editors') views on the subject. I do not think that it has been through the level of community scrutiny and consensus building that would warrant a WP: namespace title. Girth Summit (blether) 08:41, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Girth Summit what level of community scrutiny/consensus building is necessary? This is my first wikipedia essay so I'm not sure where I'm supposed to head to notify people of it and gain broader consensus lol. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 16:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't understand what (if anything) is implied by the 'lol' at the end of your question. From WP:ESSAY:
Essays may be moved into userspace as user essays (see below), or even deleted, if they are found to be problematic.
This discussion will establish whether or not the essay is problematic; I am proposing the first option as an alternative to the second, if that is indeed found to be the case. Girth Summit (blether) 17:08, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't understand what (if anything) is implied by the 'lol' at the end of your question. From WP:ESSAY:
- @Girth Summit what level of community scrutiny/consensus building is necessary? This is my first wikipedia essay so I'm not sure where I'm supposed to head to notify people of it and gain broader consensus lol. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 16:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Ad Orientem Sweet6970 (talk) 15:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Ad Orientem Okmrman (talk) 16:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep
a political screed
is an insult without justification. If you don't like the essay, you can suggest improvements, be bold and make them, or write why you don't endorse it.
- We currently have 4 other essays in this vein. WP:HATEISDISRUPTIVE is about bigotry in general, yet we also have WP:No racists (which I don't see anybody saying should redirect there), and then we have WP:NONAZIS and WP:No Confederates about specific kinds of racists (and I see nobody clamoring for a redirect there). 3 essays on racism, yet none on queerphobia... Interestingly, WP:NONAZIS was nominated for deletion in 2019 and 2023 for the same vague charges of advocacy and foruming.
Trying to elevate social conservatives and gender critical beliefs to the same level as Nazism
where does it do this? NONAZIS was the first essay of this sort written, but we also have WP:No racists. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 16:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC)- Comment: I have notified the LGBT noticeboard of this move discussion. Pinging those who've discussed/edited the essay: other significant contributors to the essay (@LokiTheLiar, @RoxySaunders, and @Raladic), those who have weighed in on the talk page (@Sundostund, @Queen of Hearts, and @Hob Gadling), and @NatGertler who weighed in at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject LGBT studies#Misplaced Pages:No Queerphobes.
- Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 17:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC)