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	== Family tree instead of ahnentafel ==

	While everyone, including me, is in agreement that ''genealogy is relevant'', I question the choice of information presented here. Biographies of Marie Antoinette abound, and a survey of those cited in the article shows that they do not present genealogy in the form of an ahnentafel. Instead they use charts that include siblings, aunts, uncles, and cousins, and illustrate Marie Antoinette's relationship to Louis XVI and the French royal family. Therefore I propose replacing the ahnentafel with a chart modelled after those found in the biographies of Marie Antoinette. ] (]) 02:15, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

	Here is an example modelled after the family tree from Fraser's biography of Marie Antoinette:

	<div style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; overflow:auto; width: 90%;">
	{{chart top \|width=100%\|Family tree after Fraser, illustrating the Bourbon-Habsburg-Lorraine connections}}

	{{Tree chart/start \|style= line-height:100% \|align=center
	}}
	{{chart \|border=0\| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \|Louis\|Louis=]}}
	{{chart \|border=0\| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \|,\|-\|-\|^\|-\|-\|-\|.\|}}
	{{chart \|border=0\| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \|Leopold\| \|Louis\| \|Henrietta\|j\|Philip\|j\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|v\|Liselotte\|Leopold=]\|Louis=]\|Philip=]\|Liselotte=]\|Henrietta=]}}
	{{chart \|border=0\| \| \| \| \| \| \| \|,\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|^\|-\|-\|-\|-\|\|-\|-\|-\|-\|\|-\|-\|-\|*\|-\|-\|.\| \| \| \|!\|}}
	{{chart \|border=0\| \| \| \| \| \| \|Joseph\| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \|D\|~\|~\|~\|~\|J\| \| \| \|:\| \|Charles\| \|Liselotte\|v\|Leo\|Joseph=]\|Charles=]\|grandson=<small>great-grandson</small>\|Liselotte=]\|Leo=]<!---<br><small>Duke of Lorraine--->}}
	{{chart \|border=0\| \|,\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|^\|-\|-\|-\|.\| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \|Marie\|v\|Louis\| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \|:\| \| \|!\| \| \| \| \| \|!\|\|Louis=]\|Marie=]}}
	{{chart \|border=0\|Amalia\|v\|Charles\| \| \| \|Josepha\|v\|August\| \| \| \| \|,\|-\|-\|-\|+\|-\|-\|-\|.\| \| \| \| \| \| \| \|:\| \| \|!\| \| \| \| \| \|!\|Amalia=]\|Josepha=]\|Louis=]\|Charles=]\|August=]}}
	{{chart \|border=0\| \|,\|-\|^\|-\|.\| \| \| \|,\|-\|-\|-\|+\|-\|-\|-\|.\| \| \| \|!\| \| \|Mesdames\| \|Louise\| \| \| \| \| \| \|:\| \|Theresa\|-\|v\|-\|Francis\|Mesdames='']''\|Louise=]\|Theresa=]\|Francis=]}}
	{{chart \|border=0\|Josepha\| \|MaxJos\| \|Clemens\| \|Albert\| \|Josephe\|v\|Louis\| \| \|,\|-\|-\|-\|+\|-\|-\|-\|.\| \| \| \|:\| \| \| \| \| \|!\|Josepha=]<br><small>m. {{nowrap\|Joseph II}}\|MaxJos=]\|Clemens=]\|Albert=]<br><small>m. Maria Christina\|Josephe=]\|Louis=]\|Louise=]}}
	{{chart \|border=0\| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \|!\| \| \| \| \|Isabella\| \|Ferdinand\| \|Luisa\| \|Philip\| \| \| \| \|!\|Isabella=]<br><small>m. {{nowrap\|Joseph II}}\|Ferdinand=]<br><small>m. Maria Amalia\|Luisa=]\|Philip=]}}
	{{chart \|border=0\| \| \| \| \| \|,\|-\|-\|-\|v\|-\|-\|-\|v\|-\|-\|-\|v\|-\|^\|-\|.\| \| \| \|,\|-\|-\|-\|v\|-\|-\|-\|v\|-\|-\|-\|v\|-\|-\|-\|v\|-\|^\|-\|v\|-\|-\|v\|-\|-\|-\|.\|}}
	{{chart \|border=0\| \| \| \| \|Provence\| \|Artois\| \|Clotilde\| \|Elisabeth\| \|Louis\|-\|Antonia\| \|Joseph\| \|Christina\| \|Leopold\| \|Amalia\| \|Carolina\| \|Ferdinand\| \|Max\|Joseph=]\|Christina=]\|Leopold=]\|Amalia=]\|Carolina=]\|Ferdinand=]\|Antonia=''']'''\|Max=]\|Louis=''']'''\|Provence=]\|Artois=]\|Clotilde=]\|Elisabeth=]}}
	{{chart \|border=0\| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \|!\|}}
	{{chart \|border=0\| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \|Francis\|Francis=]}}
	{{chart/end}}
	<div style="text-align:left;">
	'''Notes:'''
	Solid vertical lines indicate parent-child relationship, while dashed lines represent more distant ancestor-descendant connections.
	</div>
	{{chart bottom}}
	</div>
	:*'''Support''' - for this & all monarch/consort bios. ] (]) 04:16, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

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Rename the article from 'Marie Antoinette' to Marie Antoinette of Austria. She was royal and just baptismal names isn't how royalty is represented. 'Of Austria' is included in many other pages, such as in the French and Spanish articles. ImperialFabrics (talk) 01:50, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. RudolfRed (talk) 02:48, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Portrait

Add the name of painter of her portrait, in the infobox. 174.94.54.119 (talk) 20:52, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Not impartial

The whole thing reads like a eulogy. Numerous times emotional sentiment has been shoehorned in. It's not your job to exonerate her or plead her innocence or take a one sided stance.

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