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	:], in any case, the talk page for Hanover certainly isn't the place for discussing general naming policies like {{sc\|]}} {{sc\|]}}.		:], in any case, the talk page for Hanover certainly isn't the place for discussing general naming policies like {{sc\|]}} {{sc\|]}}.

	:'''What you can do ''here~~'''~~'' is point out (and document with links to {{sc\|]}} and metasources like Google Ngrams) that '''Hannover''' ''is'' a secondary ''English'' name in common use and should be bolded and treated as such by the article, instead of italicized and only treated as an unused local German form similar to Koln. I came here to make exactly that point.		:'''What you can do ''here'' is point out''' (and document with links to {{sc\|]}} and metasources like Google Ngrams) '''that '''Hannover''' ''is'' a secondary ''English'' name in common use''' and should be bolded and treated as such by the article, instead of italicized and only treated as an unused local German form similar to Koln. I came here to make exactly that point.

	:Even worse, the lead sentence is a complete mess of IPA and variant local IPA on top of the mistreatment of the English name. My own suggestions would be '''(a)''' to follow {{sc\|]}}. Hanover's pronunciation is perfectly straightforward for speakers in either language and shouldn't be provided here at all. IPA for words like "]" and "]" belong at their Wiktionary entries, not here. '''(b)''' Failing that, we should rename the "Etymology" section the "Name" section and punt most of the current linguistic bloat in the {{sc\|]}} to there or '''(c)''', similar to "]" and "]", punt it all to a note. — ] 17:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)		:Even worse, the lead sentence is a complete mess of IPA and variant local IPA on top of the mistreatment of the English name. My own suggestions would be '''(a)''' to follow {{sc\|]}}. Hanover's pronunciation is perfectly straightforward for speakers in either language and shouldn't be provided here at all. IPA for words like "]" and "]" belong at their Wiktionary entries, not here. '''(b)''' Failing that, we should rename the "Etymology" section the "Name" section and punt most of the current linguistic bloat in the {{sc\|]}} to there or '''(c)''', similar to "]" and "]", punt it all to a note. — ] 17:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

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No consensus, 27 April 2021, from Hanover to Hannover, see discussion.

Simple Easy Naming Convention

Why cannot wikipedia have a simple easy naming convention? For example: We use the name NOW used by the residents of the place (city in this case of Hannover) in an official capacity. And then put redirects for all other variants. In the article we can explain the historical name uses. SO Tallinn, Danzig, Tannenberg and Sankt-Peterburg can all be rendered into wikipedia for those wanting to find them without too much trouble. I could then find Napoli, Gdansk and Azincourt, if I want to search for them. Or any of the Greenlandic places, that recently changed their official names from Danish to Inuit names, with either of the names used historically, or in future literature like newspapers.

Where places have official names in ENGLISH (as designated by the place; so Tampere Region - ENGLISH DESIGNATED NAME, AND Pirkanmaa -FINNISH DESIGNATED NAME) we use the English name. Even though, as in the Pirkanmaa / Tampere Region case, no-one I know actually uses the "English" name, it is still the official one re English thus we use it here in wikipedia.

As we have an English name or official name its easy, and we can use it in the English wikipedia. Where they don't we can use the majority language AND minority languages with redirects. SO in Tampere and Helsinki we use the finnish, but if we want to search for the Swedish names of Tammerfors and Helsingfors it gets redirected. Where there truly is more than one official language, we can use the name that appears first on any official page: precedence being given to local council, then national decisions so Nantes rather than Naoned. EVEN IF I BELIEVE IN Breton rights, the official, national and local council is french controlled and they use the french name in precedence so we follow that. 84.231.182.113 (talk) 04:46, 22 April 2010 (UTC)MARKUS84.231.182.113 (talk) 04:46, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

A possible reason why your suggestion is not followed is that in English many of the typographical characters, accents, etc., used in German, French, etc, such as umlauts, etc., are not available in the standard English typographical set. Thus there is no way of spelling the words correctly if using an English keyboard.

The reason in many cases why the spelling in English is different from the native language is because the two languages have different pronunciation rules, and so if spelt the same the English pronunciation would be even less like the correct native one, e.g., Cologne vs 'Köln' - there is no way of working out the correct pronunciation of the latter using English rules of pronunciation. As for languages like Polish and Russian then things get even more difficult.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.148.220.15 (talk) 15:14, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages does have a "simple, easy naming convention". It is "use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language, as you would find it in reliable sources". Try to get your mind around that! METRANGOLO1 (talk) 18:02, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, Misplaced Pages has a "simple, easy naming convention". It is "use the version of the name of the subject which the fat, racist buffoon BoJo is able to pronounce". Therefore, all places in Europe have now been renamed into Bulla, Wulla, Hulla and Hoop. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E2:370E:6F88:C5BC:57E0:F1E7:3DDB (talk) 20:01, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Huh. Well, when you put it like that, it's certainly much easier to ignore their opinions. More seriously, WP:AGF. — LlywelynII 17:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

MARKUS, in any case, the talk page for Hanover certainly isn't the place for discussing general naming policies like WP:ENGLISH WP:COMMONNAME.

What you can do here is point out (and document with links to WP:RS and metasources like Google Ngrams) that Hannover is a secondary English name in common use and should be bolded and treated as such by the article, instead of italicized and only treated as an unused local German form similar to Koln. I came here to make exactly that point.

Even worse, the lead sentence is a complete mess of IPA and variant local IPA on top of the mistreatment of the English name. My own suggestions would be (a) to follow WP:NOTDICTIONARY. Hanover's pronunciation is perfectly straightforward for speakers in either language and shouldn't be provided here at all. IPA for words like "London" and "New York" belong at their Wiktionary entries, not here. (b) Failing that, we should rename the "Etymology" section the "Name" section and punt most of the current linguistic bloat in the WP:LEADSENTENCE to there or (c), similar to "Berlin" and "Ningbo", punt it all to a note. — LlywelynII 17:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Hanover universities

Among the universities listed, I would like to draw attention to the oldest German veterinary university. Founded in the 18th century, it is today the most important in germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/University_of_Veterinary_Medicine_Hannover ~ genom-x 2001:9E8:6D7D:7300:F87C:12A6:61CF:B825 (talk) 00:05, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

What's written under "Etymology" has nothing to do with it. 2A02:8108:8AC0:238:ADB3:C006:BE81:2965 (talk) 23:27, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Nonexistent citations and some somewhat opinionated content

At least of a third of this page is devoid of citations, and some of the content, mostly under the 'Sights' section, is flamboyant, if not slightly promotional. I don't how to - will try - but can someone please add a template at the top of the page that mentions unsourced content, and another template mentioning essay like writing style, or something like that? -- ABcEditor123 (talk) 03:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

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	:], in any case, the talk page for Hanover certainly isn't the place for discussing general naming policies like {{sc\|]}} {{sc\|]}}.		:], in any case, the talk page for Hanover certainly isn't the place for discussing general naming policies like {{sc\|]}} {{sc\|]}}.

	:'''What you can do ''here~~'''~~'' is point out (and document with links to {{sc\|]}} and metasources like Google Ngrams) that '''Hannover''' ''is'' a secondary ''English'' name in common use and should be bolded and treated as such by the article, instead of italicized and only treated as an unused local German form similar to Koln. I came here to make exactly that point.		:'''What you can do ''here'' is point out''' (and document with links to {{sc\|]}} and metasources like Google Ngrams) '''that '''Hannover''' ''is'' a secondary ''English'' name in common use''' and should be bolded and treated as such by the article, instead of italicized and only treated as an unused local German form similar to Koln. I came here to make exactly that point.

	:Even worse, the lead sentence is a complete mess of IPA and variant local IPA on top of the mistreatment of the English name. My own suggestions would be '''(a)''' to follow {{sc\|]}}. Hanover's pronunciation is perfectly straightforward for speakers in either language and shouldn't be provided here at all. IPA for words like "]" and "]" belong at their Wiktionary entries, not here. '''(b)''' Failing that, we should rename the "Etymology" section the "Name" section and punt most of the current linguistic bloat in the {{sc\|]}} to there or '''(c)''', similar to "]" and "]", punt it all to a note. — ] 17:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)		:Even worse, the lead sentence is a complete mess of IPA and variant local IPA on top of the mistreatment of the English name. My own suggestions would be '''(a)''' to follow {{sc\|]}}. Hanover's pronunciation is perfectly straightforward for speakers in either language and shouldn't be provided here at all. IPA for words like "]" and "]" belong at their Wiktionary entries, not here. '''(b)''' Failing that, we should rename the "Etymology" section the "Name" section and punt most of the current linguistic bloat in the {{sc\|]}} to there or '''(c)''', similar to "]" and "]", punt it all to a note. — ] 17:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)