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| By way of rebuttal, consider this paragraph from a 14 century Muslim bureaucrat in Egypt (https://nyupress.org/9781479889457/the-sword-of-ambition/ ) | By way of rebuttal, consider this paragraph from a 14 century Muslim bureaucrat in Egypt (https://nyupress.org/9781479889457/the-sword-of-ambition/ ) | ||
| ''"The dimmis must not be permitted to call themselves by Muslim names, being addressed as 'Abu I-Hasan, 'Abu 'Ali,' 'Abu Tahir,' and the like. Likewise, we must bar them from using the honorific title of Shaykh, for the dignity of Islam and the pride of the faith flatly forbid that they should do this. They must be compelled to wear their distinguishing belts and clasp them about their waists in plain view. Let the rider take care not to hide his distinguishing belt by sitting on it. They must not be permitted to ride any kind of horse or mule. Let them not pass by the tombs of 'Muslims by day or by night. They must not be permitted caparisoned mounts. Let the caskets of their dead-open, not closed -be pulled along the ground by ropes of palm fiber.They must be forbidden to carry their caskets on their shoulders. Let them instead be dragged through the dust." The last part of the document reads:'Let them be forbidden to make their tombs white.' | |||
| ''"The dimmis must not be permitted to call themselves by Muslim names, being addressed as 'Abu I-Hasan, 'Ab I-'' | |||
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| ''Hysayn; 'Abu 'Ali,' 'Abu Tahir,' and the like. Likewise, we must bar them from using the honorific title of Shaykh, for the'' | |||
| ''dignity of Islam and the pride of the faith flatly forbid that they should do this. They must be compelled to wear their'' | |||
| ''distinguishing belts and clasp them about their waists in plain view. Let the rider take care not to hide his distinguishing'' | |||
| ''belt by sitting on it. They must not be permitted to ride any kind of horse or mule. Let them not pass by the tombs of'' | |||
| ''Muslims by day or by night. They must not be permitted caparisoned mounts. Let the caskets of their dead-open, not'' | |||
| ''closed -be pulled along the ground by ropes of palm fiber.They must be forbidden to carry their caskets on their shoulders. Let them instead be dragged through the dust." The last part of the document reads:'' | |||
| ''"Let them be forbidden to make their tombs white."'' | |||
| ''shoulders. Let them instead be dragged t''hrough the dust." The last part of the document reads: | |||
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Unsourced claims of second-class status
I placed the unreliable source and citation needed tags on the claims of second class status in this argument months ago and since there has been no effort to add sources I am now leaning towards deletion. The only source provided is a link to a much less reputable wiki page, which is not a scholarly source. If you want to source what that page says you have to follow the sources from that page and link those. You cannot just cite an ideologically biased wiki page as definitive evidence on a historical topic. Those who wish to keep the references to supposed second-class status would do well to add a real source before it is deleted. Puma6374 (talk) 16:46, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
Edits by IP
This edit by IP is problematic. It adds to the lead something that is not covered in the body. The lead is for summarizing, not adding new information. It also doesn't capture the nuance in the sources.
Finally, linking "non-Muslim" to kafir is controversial at best.VR talk 15:51, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
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RegentsPark, just like you found reliable sources for the word, "unbelievers" and linked that word to the Kafir article in the Jihad article (see here), I request you to do the same here, that is, link the first occurrence of the word, "non-Muslim" to the Kafir article. I am unable to read what your sources say in the Jihad article. Thank you very much. 2405:204:5197:8209:F40:6AB3:9CF9:4CF0 (talk) 16:50, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
- Anyone can do so. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:5197:8209:f40:6ab3:9cf9:4cf0 (talk) 16:53, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
- I could find this, this, this and this online. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:5197:8209:F40:6AB3:9CF9:4CF0 (talk) 17:09, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
- RegentsPark used these sources in the Jihad article:-Peters, Rudolph; Cook, David (2014). "Jihād". The Oxford Encyclopedia of Islam and Politics. Oxford: Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/acref:oiso/9780199739356.001.0001. ISBN 9780199739356. Archived from the original on 23 January 2017. Retrieved 24 January 2017.Tyan, E. (1965). "D̲j̲ihād". In Bosworth, C. E.; van Donzel, E. J.; Heinrichs, W. P.; Lewis, B.; Pellat, Ch.; Schacht, J. (eds.). Encyclopaedia of Islam, Second Edition. 2. Leiden: Brill Publishers. doi:10.1163/1573-3912_islam_COM_0189. ISBN 978-90-04-16121-4. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:5197:8209:f40:6ab3:9cf9:4cf0 (talk) 17:15, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
- The term kafir and non-Muslims are not always interchangeable and many Muslims feel it is somewhat of a slur.VR talk 17:26, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
- If I'm right, Misplaced Pages is based on reliable sources and not what Muslims feel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.75.90.176 (talk) 17:52, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages must adhere to WP:NPOV. "Kafir" is a derogatory term. To refer to non-Muslims as "kafir" is incredibly POV. It is a view that is not even shared universally among Muslims, let alone non-Muslims.VR talk 20:58, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
- If I'm right, Misplaced Pages is based on reliable sources and not what Muslims feel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.75.90.176 (talk) 17:52, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
- The term kafir and non-Muslims are not always interchangeable and many Muslims feel it is somewhat of a slur.VR talk 17:26, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
- RegentsPark used these sources in the Jihad article:-Peters, Rudolph; Cook, David (2014). "Jihād". The Oxford Encyclopedia of Islam and Politics. Oxford: Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/acref:oiso/9780199739356.001.0001. ISBN 9780199739356. Archived from the original on 23 January 2017. Retrieved 24 January 2017.Tyan, E. (1965). "D̲j̲ihād". In Bosworth, C. E.; van Donzel, E. J.; Heinrichs, W. P.; Lewis, B.; Pellat, Ch.; Schacht, J. (eds.). Encyclopaedia of Islam, Second Edition. 2. Leiden: Brill Publishers. doi:10.1163/1573-3912_islam_COM_0189. ISBN 978-90-04-16121-4. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:5197:8209:f40:6ab3:9cf9:4cf0 (talk) 17:15, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
- I could find this, this, this and this online. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:5197:8209:F40:6AB3:9CF9:4CF0 (talk) 17:09, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}}template. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 02:50, 8 November 2021 (UTC)- RegentsPark, it is now up to you to add the link or not (since you added it in the Jihad article). I give up.
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The first paragraph of this section is misleading.
By way of rebuttal, consider this paragraph from a 14 century Muslim bureaucrat in Egypt (https://nyupress.org/9781479889457/the-sword-of-ambition/ )
"The dimmis must not be permitted to call themselves by Muslim names, being addressed as 'Abu I-Hasan, 'Abu 'Ali,' 'Abu Tahir,' and the like. Likewise, we must bar them from using the honorific title of Shaykh, for the dignity of Islam and the pride of the faith flatly forbid that they should do this. They must be compelled to wear their distinguishing belts and clasp them about their waists in plain view. Let the rider take care not to hide his distinguishing belt by sitting on it. They must not be permitted to ride any kind of horse or mule. Let them not pass by the tombs of 'Muslims by day or by night. They must not be permitted caparisoned mounts. Let the caskets of their dead-open, not closed -be pulled along the ground by ropes of palm fiber.They must be forbidden to carry their caskets on their shoulders. Let them instead be dragged through the dust." The last part of the document reads:'Let them be forbidden to make their tombs white.'
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