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:::OK, existing consensus ] (thanks to {{Re|Sean.hoyland}} for the link). :::OK, existing consensus ] (thanks to {{Re|Sean.hoyland}} for the link).
:::It would seem that the situation has changed, even before the ICJ opinion, the US accepts (once again, post Trump) that the settlements are illegal so together with the opinion, that seems sufficient to reopen the question with a view to removing the "Israel disputes this" part and possibly rewording the rest. ] (]) 11:08, 23 July 2024 (UTC) :::It would seem that the situation has changed, even before the ICJ opinion, the US accepts (once again, post Trump) that the settlements are illegal so together with the opinion, that seems sufficient to reopen the question with a view to removing the "Israel disputes this" part and possibly rewording the rest. ] (]) 11:08, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

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I suggest that the latest 2023 west bank access restrictions map from OCHA be added. Link provided below:
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Haaretz article: "Secret 1970 document confirms first West Bank settlements built on a lie."

Haaretz - Yotam Berger - Secret 1970 document confirms first West Bank settlements built on a lie, 28 July 2016. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZScarpia (talk • contribs)

Security isn't a "pretext"

Under 4.2 Settlement Policy, the article reads "The government abrogated the prohibition from purchasing occupied land by Israelis; the "Drobles Plan", a plan for large-scale settlement in the West Bank meant to prevent a Palestinian state under the pretext of security became the framework for its policy."

The dictionary definition of pretext is something that is put forward to conceal a true purpose or object; an ostensible reason; excuse.

The provided citation doesn't support the copy in the wiki article. The document doesn't say that security was a pretext. The document says security is one of several reasons to develop the settlements. The cited article reads, "The following are the principles which guided the plan: 1. Settlement throughout the entire Land of Israel is for security and by right, A strip of settlements at strategic sites enhances both internal and external security alike, as well as making concrete and realizing our right to Eretz Israel..."

So the article isn't even denying that it assumes that the Israelis have some sort of biblical or historical right to Israel, BUT it also argues that the settlements would improve security.

There is also the matter that the same section of this article implies that these cited documents were written by representatives of the Israeli government; they were not, they were written by departments of the World Zionist Organization which is an NGO and not directed by the Israeli government. It was essentially written by a think tank advocating a certain perspective but the article casts it as from the central government planning office. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.54.105.157 (talk)

Discussion on Gaza settlements

My understanding is that the settlements in Gaza had a huge effect on the economy for the years that they were there. It's probably worth while to have a section dedicated to the now removed settlements. Any issue with putting taht under "History" with the subsection title "Gaza Strip settlements"? DMH43 (talk) 19:51, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Please be more specific and mention possible sources. "Had a huge effect on the economy" is too vague, and context matters as well (how is "economy" measured here?). TucanHolmes (talk) 16:54, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
I have added a section under 'history' DMH43 (talk) 16:59, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

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Can you please remove the source for the claim that Israeli withdrawl from Gaza was "More than compensated by transfers to the West Bank", and replace it with another? The source provided makes no mention of the issue.

If another source cannot be found, maybe the sentence should be removed, but I'd trust your discretion on that issue.

I'd suggest a source myself, but I was unable to find one which adequately supports that claim. Mr manor11 (talk) 17:16, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I replaced the not so clear sentence with "Nevertheless, the total settler population continued to rise." which is supported by the source. Selfstudier (talk) 17:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

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Location of correction: 3rd paragraph, 3rd sentence. Change "In total, over 450,000 Israeli settlers residing in the West Bank..." to "In total, over 450,000 Israeli settlers reside in the..." by changing the word "residing" to "reside". Goman1 (talk) 23:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Rkieferbaum (talk) 02:30, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

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the change must be made from six days war in 1967 to the nakba on 14 May 1948. 2601:640:CC80:6D90:B4AB:8AB:F3A2:7A62 (talk) 20:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jamedeus (talk) 03:20, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

ICJ

The findings of the ICJ should be treated factually and not on a POV and attribution basis. I.e. I am in favor of the settlements being simply called illegal in the opening sentence, as described by every major RS. Makeandtoss (talk) 09:34, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Given that now have an authoritative statement of the law on this matter, it should be straightforward to find RS reporting of same without caveats, it really doesn't matter any more whether "Israel disputes this" other than as historical background, imo this boilerplate should be removed from articles. There was a consensus about it somewhere but I forget where, perhaps it needs revisiting now. Selfstudier (talk) 09:40, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Agreed; it should be Israel's arguments were refuted, rather than the classical and boring "Israel disputes this", which to me always sounded like writing on Earth: "The earth is round, but flat earthers dispute this." Makeandtoss (talk) 09:56, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
OK, existing consensus Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration/Current Article Issues/Archive. Legality of Israeli settlements (thanks to @Sean.hoyland: for the link).
It would seem that the situation has changed, even before the ICJ opinion, the US accepts (once again, post Trump) that the settlements are illegal so together with the opinion, that seems sufficient to reopen the question with a view to removing the "Israel disputes this" part and possibly rewording the rest. Selfstudier (talk) 11:08, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

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I suggest that the latest 2023 west bank access restrictions map from OCHA be added. Link provided below: https://www.ochaopt.org/content/west-bank-access-restrictions-may-2023 TheTrackRecord (talk) 18:59, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

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