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"Real age"

The main image for this article contrasts "Korean age" with "Real age". Even though it's used by most of the world, it's still not ideal to suggest one culture's counting system is more "real" than another. Are there any alternate terms that might be more neutral? I'd ping the image creator, but it appears they're no longer active. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 15:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

This caught my eye as well. I would suggest "chronological age" as more neutral alternative. PerplexedPigeon (talk) 16:48, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Aljazeera uses "international system" and "western way". TIME uses "international standards" and "calendar age". BBC also uses "international standards". International standards and calendar age seem like useful and more neutral terms, depending on context. CMD (talk) 02:07, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

International age or calendar age are both much preferable to "real age". :3 F4U (they/it) 00:13, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and changed the graphic to say "International Age." The closest font I could find that matched was Bitstream Vera Serif Bold, if someone else decides to change it in the future. Mshron (talk) 14:25, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 21 July 2024

It has been proposed in this section that East Asian age reckoning be renamed and moved to Age reckoning in the Sinosphere. A bot will list this discussion on the requested moves current discussions subpage within an hour of this tag being placed. The discussion may be closed 7 days after being opened, if consensus has been reached (see the closing instructions). Please base arguments on article title policy, and keep discussion succinct and civil. Please use {{subst:requested move}}. Do not use {{requested move/dated}} directly. Links: current log • target log • direct move

East Asian age reckoning → Age reckoning in the Sinosphere – Rationale explained here: Talk:Sinosphere#Pages using "East Asia" in place of the Sinosphere and in this longer post. Tl;dr, "East Asia" often excludes Vietnam, which is also a part of the Sinosphere.

Related previous move discussions that passed: Seals in the Sinosphere and Sixtieth birthday in the Sinosphere.

Open to more suggested titles. Alternates:

1. Sinosphere age reckoning
   • I think a little confusing; may suggest trying to determine the age of the Sinosphere itself.
2. Traditional age reckoning in the Sinosphere
   • This is more precise I feel; currently, as far as I'm aware, the entire Sinosphere no longer uses the age reckoning for major applications, mostly just ceremonial. "Age reckoning in x" can be interpreted as a present and not mostly past practice

104.232.119.107 (talk) 10:35, 21 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 10:38, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose: because "sinosphere" isn't a common word. "East Asian" may not be entirely accurate but it is close and it is well recognized.

—Quantling (talk | contribs) 19:55, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

I know we don't have to have consistency, but this breaks consistency with the other articles I linked above. The issue is "not be entirely accurate" -> frequent exclusion of Vietnam. This debate hinges on how much you value recognizability of name vs the potential exclusion of Vietnam from this phenomenon. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 00:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

The Misplaced Pages article on East Asia includes "Some scholars include Vietnam as part of East Asia as it has been considered part of the greater Chinese cultural sphere". —Quantling (talk | contribs) 01:33, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

I know, I said "frequent exclusion". Also key phrase there "Chinese cultural sphere".

This is a less strong argument, but when you ask a person on the street "what countries are in East Asia", how likely are they to include Vietnam in the list? And if they do include Vietnam, do they also include Cambodia, Laos, etc (which are not part of the Sinosphere)? 104.232.119.107 (talk) 01:46, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

So "frequent inclusion" as well, yes? "Sinosphere" is considered a spelling error by my editor. Is it the case that "sinosphere" is exactly the same as all regions and peoples who have reckoned age as described in this article? What if we keep the current title but mention "Sinosphere" and/or "Vietnam" prominently in the lede? We could also add redirects from Vietnam Age Reckoning and similar. —Quantling (talk | contribs) 13:09, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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