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BRGIE Draft

I just thought of starting this Draft on Biafra Republic. All interested editors are welcomed to contribute, develop and expand it with all the RS available. @Gråbergs Gråa Sång @Kennet.mattfolk Fugabus (talk) 18:50, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

IMO it has no independent WP:N (WP:NORG may also be of interest) from this article, at this point in time, it's Ekpa's "thing", but that might change if it gets a next PM, a few years of existence or something like that. Has been afd at least once: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Biafra Republic Government in Exile. More history at , and per this I'd advice that you don't move it to mainspace yourself if you feel it's ready to go, use the submission button. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:05, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Also "is the governing body of Biafra" is, well, perhaps you see it, perhaps not. Good luck with your draft. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:14, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång

I have seen that and this is the reason I want everyone who may wish to improve it. Someone already tried in the past. I consider dropping the draft for now because it doesn't meet Misplaced Pages:Notability (organizations and companies) for now. RS are most centered on Ekpa and that is where everything fails. My Mentor already me what else to do. Thanks for pointing things out.

«fjuːgəbʌs» (talk) 00:32, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

The legal stuff?

"It also turned out that Ekpa had marketed legal services, even though he is not a lawyer. His consulting firm had handled the affairs of asylum seekers, and the asylum seekers had mistaken him for their assistant. In fact, the cases were handled by Ekpa's ex-wife, although the clients had never met the lawyer's wife. " (Google translate) Is this something we should include, or does it fail WP:PROPORTION etc? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:56, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

In Finnish law, he is not allowed to represent clients in court, but only allowed/licensed to give legal advice. The client then needs another to lawyer in court. This is why many finnish sources say he's a businessman instead of an lawyer.

Did quick google: https://yle.fi/a/74-20019718

It talk about his legal firm. The article specifically states "ulkomaalaislakiin erikoistuneena asiantuntijana" or Expert specialized into foreign law, the word asiantuntija should be should be 'asianajaja' or 'lupalakimies' if he was a lawyer. He is maybe a legal advisor. The article expressly also states he is not an lawyer (asianajaja). Kennet.mattfolk (talk) 18:16, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

In your article linked only his wife is mentioned as a lawyer. Kennet.mattfolk (talk) 18:23, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

From the Yle source, they reported he specializes in Immigration law. So, any editor can add that. Lead may read "immigration lawyer" instead of "lawyer" for clarity. Fugabus (talk) 22:26, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Immigration lawyer is still a lawyer, and Kennet.mattfolk just said he's not a lawyer. "Legal professional"? "Legal worker"? Or does that read like he's working in the courts? Which maybe he is, I have no idea. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:06, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Per Yle "says on his social media pages that he has worked in the legal field in Finland since 2009: first in a legal office in Lahti and later also through his own company Ekpa & Co." The company website seems to be gone, btw. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:09, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Could Ekpa be making this up? Best, Reading Beans 06:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Look, the title asianajaja is for those that are members of the bar association, while lupalakimies are free agents with the same legal license to represent in court. Legally, only asianajaja and lupalakimies are allowed to represent a client in court, which is how a lawyer is defined. His then wife was the lawyer. Ekpa however has a license to advise, though not in a court room etc. Ekpa himself tells Yle directly "Olen ollut oikeusneuvojana" or "I have been/worked as an legal adviser". The confusion is rather here on the wiki. Maybe this advising is counted as lawyering in some other places, not to my understanding in Finland where he has practised. For example, I cannot claim to be an Oikeusneuvoja, I would need a similar education to that of Ekpa for it, so he still has a vocation, it's not just lawyer. Kennet.mattfolk (talk) 09:45, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Let's go with "legal adviser" then. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Fyi, asked the Finnish wikipedians for a second opinion, considering the constant confusion on the vocational title. :) Kennet.mattfolk (talk) 10:58, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

WP:SHORTDESC

At the time I write this, it's "Finnish politician and legal advisor" which doesn't fit article content. I suggest "Finnish politician and Biafran separatist". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:56, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

But you know this isn't necessary creating a new thread. I added back the three per WP:SHORTDESC. The short description doesn't even matter that plenty instead to the article in question. It's is a given opinion and I love the fact you always try to clarify. Let's work on the article first. I am planing to take this to sandbox, I mean as copied. What do you think? Safari Scribe 09:01, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

It's ok, I don't think "(born 1985)" is needed, he's no James Rowe, but that's me. A thread should try to stay on topic, when possible. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:11, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Removed. Safari Scribe 09:16, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

His legal firm when bust so replacing legal advisor woth Biafran separatist is ok with me. Kennet.mattfolk (talk) 09:24, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Some sources still recognizes him as a lawyer too. I added three of them, it's good for me. Safari Scribe 09:27, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh!, he isn't a lawyer. Per YLE, he is also a self made legal advisor. This BLP eh, everything is just self-made! 😡 Safari Scribe 09:33, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

See discussion at Talk:Simon_Ekpa#The_legal_stuff?. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:34, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Just Legal advisor. No need for self made. Kennet.mattfolk (talk) 10:20, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Lead expansion

Safari Scribe, I reverted you here:. That's not a summary of article content, it's just repetition. "Nigerian Finnish politician, former athlete, and legal advisor" is summary. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:47, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I was trying to confirm a little thing here and there. Still working on that till I have to check where Häme Regiment should be or just Finish military. It's alright albeit I can't see myself do these any longer. Why couldn't you wait or do it yourself. Thanks for your effort towards this article I have this article to finish. Good luck with editing! Safari Scribe 12:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Häme Regiment is the training unit for conscripts in the province of Häme (hence the name) around modern city of Lahti. Kennet.mattfolk (talk) 13:31, 3 May 2024 (UTC)