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*{{u|ScottishFinnishRadish}} can you confirm {{diff2|1239713161|01:34, 11 August 2024}} was a partial revert of {{diff2|1234274260|14:02, 13 July 2024}}? It seems one can simply not make the most straightforward changes without them being considered reverts. And can you confirm that if someone violates 1rr, they must self rv their most recent edit? In this case, out of abundance of caution, I reverted both edits in question.''']''' <sub>(Please ] on reply)</sub> 04:31, 11 August 2024 (UTC) *{{u|ScottishFinnishRadish}} can you confirm {{diff2|1239713161|01:34, 11 August 2024}} was a partial revert of {{diff2|1234274260|14:02, 13 July 2024}}? It seems one can simply not make the most straightforward changes without them being considered reverts. And can you confirm that if someone violates 1rr, they must self rv their most recent edit? In this case, out of abundance of caution, I reverted both edits in question.''']''' <sub>(Please ] on reply)</sub> 04:31, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
==List of petitions calling for Israel to be banned from sports==
Hello Vice regent. @AirshipJungleman29 proposed that the ] be merged to another article. The first time they , they pointed to "poor prose quality and the lack of sources". Now the sourced have been doubled and the prose has been improved by User:Albertatiran. Do you know what else might be a problem? ] (]) 04:47, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

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Regarding your request for ADL citations

The specific example you asked about is a bit complicated because from some reason the footnotes have a separate link from the article itself.

Here is the article link: https://www.jstor.org/stable/resrep58112.4?seq=9

And here are the footnotes link (that's what I posted on the noticeboard): https://www.jstor.org/stable/resrep58112.11?seq=6

The references to the ADL there are in footnote 73:

“Anti-Semitic Incidents Surged Nearly 60% in 2017, According to New ADL Report,” Anti-Defamation League, February 27, 2018, https://www.adl.org/resources/press-release/anti-semitic-incidents-surged-nearly-60-2017-according-new-adl-report; “ADL Records Dramatic Increase in U.S. Antisemitic Incidents Following Oct. 7 Hamas Massacre,” Anti-Defamation League, October 24, 2023, https://www.adl.org/resources/press-release/adl-records-dramatic-increase-us-antisemitic-incidents-following-oct-7;

This footnote is a footnote to this sentence in the article itself: "Jewish organizations first witnessed an uptick in hateful rhetoric from the right after 2017 and from the left following Hamas’ attack on Israel on October 7, 2023. Threats from the illiberal left and right are now putting Jews at increased risk across a broader geography, spreading from threats at clearly Jewish organizations and synagogues to university campuses."

As for the other example you can find the citations in the article by simply doing a search on "anti defamation" or "anti-defamation". You have access to JSTOR I assume? Vegan416 (talk) 20:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@Vegan416: Thanks, I'll vote option 1.VR (Please ping on reply) 03:44, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
I think that RfC was closed long ago... But thanks anyway for you open mind. Vegan416 (talk) 10:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hi Vice regent. Thank you for your work on 2023 invasion of Gaza Strip. Another editor, Voorts, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

Please remember to tag redirects that you create per WP:REDCAT.

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|Voorts}}. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

voorts (talk/contributions) 05:34, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Tel al-Sultan massacre edit

On June 1st you removed a Reuters source ] which cited Hamas's statement verifying that two of their members were killed in the Tel al-Sultan airstrike, as well as returning "as per Israel" to the infobox.

"As per Israel" had been removed at the same time that the Reuters source was added, because the earlier source came out before Hamas had officially verified the deaths of two of their members.

Do you mind returning the Reuters source and removing "as per Israel" or perhaps changing it to "as per Israel and Hamas"?ItsRainingCatsAndDogsAndMen (talk) 12:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@ItsRainingCatsAndDogsAndMen the Reuters source didn't cite a Hamas statement, I recall it cited an American statement. Perhaps you can link to the source here and give the text of it? VR (Please ping on reply) 13:09, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the response, I replied on the article's talk page.ItsRainingCatsAndDogsAndMen (talk) 14:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb

Hi, not sure if you were aware but the content that you reverted back into that article was written by an IP (who is now-blocked for gross anti-semitic attacks) in violation of the WP:ARBPIA remedies that require that non-ECR users refrain from editing in this subject area. As it should have never been inserted in the first place, I've gone ahead and reverted it back out again. If you'd like to attribute these edits as your own insertion, of course, you're more than welcome to re-add them on those grounds; but since it was unclear whether you were doing so or simply responding to the IP's request (without the context that the content was disallowed in the first place), I took the liberty of going ahead and removing it. — SWATJester 20:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes its my own edit. I'd like to think all edits must be 100% the responsibility of the one who makes them, though mistakes happen from time to time.VR (Please ping on reply) 00:13, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of the letter article

Hi, I am not going to continue discussion on admin's talk. They were responsive to continue the discussoin, but, at the end of the day, asking for explanation was decribed as "refuse to accept consensus". Plus, users may have different understanding when it comes to explain the policies and guidelines; Did you observe the latest source which deeply covers the subject? If it's not indicative of eduring notability, then how can it be established? --Mhhossein 05:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

"how can it be established?" ...would be an excellent question for the closer. Unfortunately, they don't seem willing to entertain that question and even mischaracterized my last question. The options are either take this to DRV, or to merge the article and revisit its recreation in the future.VR (Please ping on reply) 05:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
Yes, the question is good to ask but the response is more important! :) Do you have any suggestions for DRV or re-creation in future? The Fa wiki user was quick to merge the article. --Mhhossein 10:28, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
@Mhhossein: unfortunately, I don't have any more ideas. Perhaps talk to an uninvolved admin for advice? And if you open a DRV please do ping me, as well as the closer.VR (Please ping on reply) 05:33, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious
Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Sourcing

Would you mind taking a look at my (new) sourcing in the genocide discussion? Would you consider that enough, or is there something missing? FortunateSons (talk) 21:49, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

The ones in German? There is no requirement of providing English sources per policy, its just cumbersome for users to evaluate the sources in a non-native language. I can take a look at those when I have time.VR (Please ping on reply) 15:38, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Yes, they are mostly in German. I’m happy to check out anything automatically translated, in case it doesn’t translate well. Thank you very much. FortunateSons (talk) 15:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
@Vice regent thank you for reviewing it. FortunateSons (talk) 19:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Absolutely, lets continue further discussion on article's talk.VR (Please ping on reply) 20:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Of course, just wanted to properly and politely end the discussion here. :) FortunateSons (talk) 20:08, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Sea Sultan

Hello, Vice regent. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or draft page you started, "Sea Sultan".

In accordance with our policy that Misplaced Pages is not for the indefinite hosting of material, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thank you for your submission to Misplaced Pages, and happy editing. Liz 17:22, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Your recent edit to Hamas

Information icon I noticed that you recently removed content from Hamas without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes with an accurate edit summary. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Kinsio (talkcontribsrights) 05:46, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

The statement I removed was made redundant by the statement I added.VR (Please ping on reply) 05:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
I'm not so sure I see that (it doesn't read as redundant to me to have both statements in there), but in any case, just make sure you say that in the edit summary next time :) Kinsio (talkcontribsrights) 06:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

CS1 error on Palestinian right of armed resistance

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I tried to find something, and it was you.

Citation 74 on Hamas was showing an error, which I found was caused by inconsistent use of straight (") and curly (”) quotation marks. After some difficulty, I found that it was because you 're-added' something you though was removed for reasons you didn't know and thus put in a sfn (duplicate of which was also used at lead that time) with curly quotation marks, however the one in the lead has its curly marks replaced by straight marks per mos:curly in this edit with other similar cases of curly marks replaced by straight, and thus your new addition of sfn named same as that in lead, but containing the outdated curly marks caused an error. The Hamas article is already suffering from other issues, so the reference thing is already filled with error whatsoever. Overall, I suggest you to watch for the changes your edits make and for any error caused, so such incidents could be avoided. Thank you, ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 14:53, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor sorry about that. Just to clarify my mistake was this reference:
{{sfn|Baconi|2018|p=108|ps=Hamas’s finance minister in Gaza stated that “a long-term ceasefire as understood by Hamas and a two-state settlement are the same. It’s just a question of vocabulary.”}}
Which quotes should I have used? " or “ ? VR (Please ping on reply) 15:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Instead of curly quotation marks (“ ”) , you should use straight quotation marks (" "). This helps in making consistency within the article and are easier to type, see MOS:CURLY. There were these two connected SFN templates with both having wrong curly marks, and somebody removed one SFN while other stayed, still having those wrong curly marks. Later somebody corrected those curly marks to straight marks. Then you did a simple mistake of copy pasting the old SFN with everything same, but wrong curly quotation marks. Thus the system got confused with the two SFNs with same name, as one had straight marks while other has curly and the error occurred. Hence, always use ". Regards, ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 15:23, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Got it, thanks! And sorry for the inconvenience caused.VR (Please ping on reply) 15:37, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
After checking the root of all cite errors, I find that your edit "why was this summary removed? I think its important" is the cause behind them all. 3 out of 7 have been fixed. I understand that this happened in negligence and would like to note that 'copy pasting' from old version, that too for a long article, should always be done under various considerations. I think all the four citations which are causing cite errors need to be removed as they are invoked via some 'named reference' but all the original references under which there urls were stored are nowhere to be found. I hope you collaborate, regards, ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 16:47, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Can you check now and see if there are any more broken references? VR (Please ping on reply) 17:24, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Congratulations, we found them all it seems. ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 17:32, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

WP:1RR at 13 July 2024 Al-Mawasi airstrikes

  1. 01:34, 11 August 2024 was a partial revert of 14:02, 13 July 2024
  2. 03:50, 11 August 2024

Please self-revert 03:50, 11 August 2024. I am also concerned that in that edit you reintroduced material we know to be false. BilledMammal (talk) 04:06, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Can you explain how the first one was a revert? @Skitash:, do you think this reverted your edits? VR (Please ping on reply) 04:10, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
They labeled a section "airstrike", which you relabelled in line with your general push against the use of "airstrike".
That is a partial revert, which means that 03:50 was a 1RR violation which needs to be self-reverted. BilledMammal (talk) 04:11, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Ok, I self-reverted that part.VR (Please ping on reply) 04:14, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
You don’t get to pick which edit you revert - you need to revert the 1RR violation, which was 03:50. BilledMammal (talk) 04:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
That's news to me, can you point me to why one can't revert the easier one to change? VR (Please ping on reply) 04:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Because that wasn’t the 1RR violation, and because self-reverting a revert doesn’t nullify the revert for the purposes of determining violations, it just rectifies the error.
This is how it has been consistently interpreted at AE.
(Also, 03:50 would have been easier to revert, as you could do so with the undo button) BilledMammal (talk) 04:19, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Can you point me to the comment on AE or elsewhere? VR (Please ping on reply) 04:23, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
See the Bluethricecreamman discussion, where a related argument was made. However, at this point it feels like you are Wikilawyering - are you going to self-revert the edit that violated 1RR or not? BilledMammal (talk) 04:27, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
What info do we know to be false? VR (Please ping on reply) 04:10, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
As I said in my edit summary, we know that the claim that all casualties were civilians is false - and is also unsupported by the sources. BilledMammal (talk) 04:14, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
I didn't write that all casualties were civilians. I did imply that 90 civilians were killed. There is no source that says 90 weren't killed, but I realize the WP:ONUS is on me, so let me find the source, and in the meanwhile we can put a tag.VR (Please ping on reply) 04:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
You wrote that 90+ people were killed, and that they were all civilians. In other words, you wrote that everyone killed was a civilian. BilledMammal (talk) 04:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Can you tell me where I said "all"? VR (Please ping on reply) 04:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Here's at least one source: "The attack killed at least 90 civilians in a densely populated area sheltering about 80,000 people, according to Gaza’s Ministry of Health."VR (Please ping on reply) 04:18, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
That’s an attributed claim - we can’t put it in Wikivoice. BilledMammal (talk) 04:21, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

List of petitions calling for Israel to be banned from sports

Hello Vice regent. @AirshipJungleman29 proposed that the List of petitions calling for Israel to be banned from sports be merged to another article. The first time they draftified it, they pointed to "poor prose quality and the lack of sources". Now the sourced have been doubled and the prose has been improved by User:Albertatiran. Do you know what else might be a problem? Ghazaalch (talk) 04:47, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

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