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Reiterating as much for myself as for others that for the next several months I shall be working on three articles, Mandell Creighton, Company rule in India, and History of English grammars. They have been on my backburner far too long. My time for all other activities on Misplaced Pages will be severely restricted.

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India-related FPs I

• Indian vultures, (Gyps indicus), in a nest on the tower of the Chaturbhuj Temple, Orchha, Madhya Pradesh. The vulture became nearly extinct in India in the 1990s from having ingested the carrion of diclofenac-laced cattle.
• The bank myna is indigenous to the Indian subcontinent.
• The vulnerable Malabar frog is endemic to the Western Ghats.
• The endangered Nilgiri tahr is endemic to the Western Ghats. Shown here is a female in a national park in Kerala.

India-related FPs II

• The brahminy kite (Haliastur indus) hunts for fish and other prey near the coasts and around inland wetlands.
• The lotus (Nelumbo nucifera) is the Indian national flower. Hindus and Buddhists regard it as a sacred symbol of enlightenment.
• The Indian peafowl (Pavo cristatus) is the Indian national bird. It roosts in moist and dry-deciduous forests, cultivated areas, and village precincts.
• The Pahalgam valley in Jammu and Kashmir is covered with a temperate coniferous forest.

India-related FPs III

• A Toda tribal hut exemplifies Indian vernacular architecture.
• Bangles on display in Bangalore India
• A Sadhu and a picture of Siva in Kayasth Tola, Varanasi, Uttar Pradesh in Northern India
• The pushkarani, or tank, located on the eastern side of Krishna temple in Hampi, Karnataka, the seat of the Vijayanagara Empire

India-related FPs IV

• Large Gautama Buddha statue in Buddha Park of Ravangla, Sikkim
• A Jain woman washes the feet of Bahubali Gomateswara at Shravanabelagola, Karnataka. The Bahubali idol is 18 metres (58 ft) high and is carved out of a single rock on top of a hill.
• A Chola bronze depicting Nataraja, who is seen as a cosmic "Lord of the Dance" and representative of Shiva
• A sixteenth century rendering of a scene from the Ramayana, an ancient Sanskrit epic.

India-related FPs V

• Paintings at the Ajanta Caves in Aurangabad, Maharashtra, 6th century
• The Agasthiyamalai range, constituting the southern end of the Western Ghats, as seen from the rainshadow region of the southwest monsoon in Tirunelveli, Tamil Nadu.
• A beach off the Arabian Sea in Puvar, Kerala. The Arabian Sea is the northwestern region of the Indian Ocean, bounded by the Arabian and Indian peninsulas.
• Flowing through its rocky terrain near Hampi is the Tungabhadra river, the major right bank tributary of the Krishna river, a peninsular river, which empties into the Bay of Bengal. The coracles, made of wicker, are traditionally covered with hide, their circular shape preventing them from overturning in rivers with rocky outcrops.

India-related FPs VI

• The recycling industry in India, a Varanasi paper bag seller
• An example of the Chinese fishing nets of Cochin. Fisheries in India is a major industry in its coastal states, employing over 14 million people. The annual catch doubled between 1990 and 2010.
• A tea garden in Sikkim. India, the world's second largest-producer of tea, is a nation of one billion tea drinkers, who consume 70% of India's tea output.
• A daily wage worker in a salt field. The average minimum wage of daily labourers is around Rs.100 per day

India-related FPs VII

• A bharatnatyam concert in 2014
• A Bondo woman walks to a weekly market in Chhattisgarh.
• A woman in Bundi, Rajasthan
• An ascetic in Varanasi, Uttar Pradesh

India-related FPs VIII

• The tomb of Itmad Ud Daulah, Agra,
• A Hindu bride
• The interior of San Thome Basilica, Chennai, Tamil Nadu. Christianity is believed to have been introduced to India by the late 2nd century by Syriac-speaking Christians.
• A Sikh pilgrim at the Harmandir Sahib, or Golden Temple, in Amritsar, Punjab

India-related Classic Pictures-I

• A farmer in Rajasthan milks his cow. Milk is India's largest crop by economic value. Worldwide, as of 2011, India had the largest herds of buffalo and cattle, and was the largest producer of milk.
• Indian agriculture dates from the period 7,000–6,000 BCE, employs two thirds of the national workforce, and is second in farm output worldwide. Above, a farmer works an ox-drawn plow in Kadmati, West Bengal.
• Schoolchildren in Chambal, Madhya Pradesh eating a mid-day meal. The Mid-Day Meal Scheme attempts to lower rates of childhood malnutrition in India.
• Cricket is the most popular game among India's masses. Shown here is an instance of street cricket.

India-related FPs IX

• Asfi Masjid at the Bara Imambara complex, Lukcnow, India
• Chhota Imambara, Lucknow, India
• Taj Mahal mosque, Agra, India
• Bangalore panorama

India-related FPs X

• Red Weaver ant, Oecophylla smaragdina in Bangalore, India
• Female Telamonia dimidiata in the Lalbagh Botanical gardens, Bangalore, India
• Mysore Palace in the morning
• Indian Olympic athlete, Irfan Kolothum Thodi

India-related FPs XI

• Grammodes geometrica, Bangalore, India
• Mumtaz Ahmed Khan founder of Al-Ameen Educational Society
• Al-Ameen College of Pharmacy, Bangalore, India
• Kumar Anish, Indian yoga specialist

India-related FPs XII

• Taj Mahal at the golden hour
• Bara Imambara, Lucknow, India
• Salman Khurshid, Indian politician belonging to the Indian National Congress
• Indian palm squirrel, Bangalore, India

India-related FPs XIII

• Odissi
• Mohiniyattam
• Kuchipudi
• Arundhati Roy

India-related FPs XIV

• Chandiroor Divakaran
• Karnataka High Court, Bangalore
• Dharmaraya Swamy Temple a Hindu temple in Bangalore
• Bangalore Town Hall

Buddha related FPs I

• Battered religious figures stand watch on a hill above a tattered valley. Nagasaki, Japan. September 24, 1945
• 17th century Painting on cloth of of Buddha Shakyamuni as Lord of the Munis with Bodhisatvas in background.
• The Gathering of Four Buddhas. 1562 CE, National Museum of Art, Korea.
• Two women walk past the huge cavity where one of the ancient Buddhas of Bamiyan used to stand, June 17, 2012. The monumental statues were built in A.D. 507 and 554

Buddha related FPs II

• Monk walks in the morning after the rain in front of the Temple of the Emerald Buddha (Wat Phra Kaew), part of the Grand Palace, Bangkok, Thailand.
• Buddha Amitabha in His Pure Land of Suvakti, Central Tibet. 18th century; Ground mineral pigment on cotton
• English: Shakyamuni Buddha with Avadana Legend Scenes. Tibet. Date 19th century
• Chiang Mai, Thailand: Buddhist Manuscript Library and Museum

Things to do on 6/10/22

• Start the article Singrauli estate (see Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Cleaning_up_confusions_about_"Singrauli_State"
• Start something on the Ethnic fermented foods and beverages of the Darjeeling Hills, using

• Thapa, Namrata; Tamang, Jyoti Prakash (2020), "Ethnic Fermented Foods and Beverages of Sikkim and Darjeeling Hills (Gorkhaland Territorial Administration)", in Tamang, Jyoti Prakash (ed.), Ethnic Fermented Foods and Beverages of India: Science History and Culture, Singapore: Springer Nature, ISBN 978-981-15-1485-2 and
• Tamang, Jyoti P.; Sarkar, Prabir K; Hesseltine, Clifford W (1988). "Traditional Fermented Foods and Beverages of Darjeeling". Journal of the Science of Food and Agriculture. 44 (4): 375–385. doi:10.1002/jsfa.2740440410.

• Add something on Tibetan refugees in Darjeeling.

August 2024

Your recent Bold edit was Reverted. Per BRD, it's time for us to Discuss this on the talk page. Please don't edit war by reinstating the edit. Let's see if a consensus can form to keep it or an alternate version.

You have violated enforced BRD on a CTOP. You must follow the bold-revert-discuss cycle if your change is reverted. You may not reinstate your edit until you post a talk page message discussing your edit and have waited 24 hours from the time of this talk page message. Further, you have made an edit that is currently under discussion in an RfC. This is a sanctionable action. I suggest you self-revert before someone else notices. O3000, Ret. (talk) 14:49, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

You have to offer a transparent and cogent reason for reverting. You did nothing of the sort. You cannot just revert a statement that has the support of three scholarly sources, one of which is Yolanda T. Moses, the former president of the American Anthropological Association. I will be happy to discuss it, but my edit will remain in place until you have offered a reason for your revert in an edit summary that is a little more than, "Is there a scintilla of doubt?" You are welcome to take me to ANI before I join the discussion if you'd like, but beware of the boomerang. I have cited to the scholarly sources, Misplaced Pages's "most reliable." Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:04, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

F&F, while yes, having sources is good, that doesn't revert-proof an edit. In a CTOP area that is under a 1RR (which Kamala Harris is under) ... when you are reverted for any reason you need to discuss on the talk page. Not add the information back in and invite boomerangs, because this is clear-cut and you can be sanctioned for it. If I saw this brought up at WP:Arbitration Enforcement, I'd have to support a sanction, so for your own best interests, self-revert. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:13, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Ealdgyth: for the timely warning. I've self-reverted. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

I'll open the talk page discussion later when I've examined some more sources; also I have some errands to run. Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

There is already an RfC on how to discuss her race/ethnicity. O3000, Ret. (talk) 16:14, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Can some admins please help out here?

• I added a sentence, "Kamala Harris self-identifies as a Black woman of ..." in this edit which was cited to a scholarly source, using "self identifies" as well.
• O3000 changed "self-identifies as" to "is" in this edit with edit summary, "Is there a scintilla of doubt?"
• I then reverted their edit and added two more scholarly sources for KH's "self identification," both using that expression.
• Question: Is O3000's edit a revert? They seem to think it is, but they have put their own spin on something I had added; they hadn't removed my edit. After I self-reverted, what is in place there now is their edit for which I did all the hard work.

@Ealdgyth, RegentsPark, Valereee, Abecedare, Drmies, and MelanieN: Please clarify if you can, when you can. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:35, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Kamala Harris is Black and Asian-Indian. The sourcing for this is huge. When the words "self identifies as" are used before this, the text will appear to many readers to say that she is just claiming to be such, and may not really be -- as that is exactly what her opponent is doing at this moment, claiming she just suddenly decided to be Black, contrary to her life story. But that is not why I edited it. I edited it because, as you well know, there is an active RfC on the very subject of how to refer to her race/ethnicity. You made the change before RfC close. Now, perhaps I should have reverted your entire addition. I decided not to remove all of it without discussion, as per BRD. You can if you wish. As for your "scholarly sources", they clearly appear cherry-picked and your addition of such sources in the RfC discussion has drawn little or no interest as we are talking about the bio of a living person who's life may be changed dramatically in the near future. But that discussion belongs in the RfC. Patience will out. O3000, Ret. (talk) 20:53, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

The important bits of policy are at Misplaced Pages:Edit warring at WP:1RR where a 1RR is defined as "The one-revert rule is analogous to the three-revert rule as described above, with the words "more than three reverts" replaced by "more than one revert"." so we look up at the 3RR section which states a revert is "An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes or manually reverses other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part." so... given that definition above ... sure looks like a revert to me. It's the "in part" bit that gets folks a lot. Reverting isn't just "hitting undo" it's a lot more complicated. And, no, admins won't weigh in on the content dispute going on, so I have no clue who is "right" in this situation. I will say that trying to change the information while an RFC is ongoing about that same information is not a good look and should not be done in CTOP areas, whether or not there are sources behind an edit. That attempt would not have helped your case if this had gone to WP:AE. More talk page discussion without personalizing it is your best course of action here. Ealdgyth (talk) 21:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

OK, Thank you very much @Ealdgyth: I've learned a few things. I'll stay away from editing in the RfC topic area. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 23:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to make inappropriate or abusive edit summaries or comments, you may be blocked from editing. What on Earth were you thinking when you put Reply to facile attempt to ensnare me in your edit summary? This is a wild accusation. O3000, Ret. (talk) 15:15, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Capitals00 (talk) 05:04, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

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Latest AP notice appears to be four years ago, before DS changed to CTOP. Of course you can add AP to your aware list. O3000, Ret. (talk) 18:49, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

O3000, Ret., I think F&f is cool--they don't have any political problem here, I don't think. I think they just took the "identifies as" phrase, which is so fashionable, a bit more serious than you and I might. Drmies (talk) 23:48, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, they've been pushing this quite heavily for some time on the article TP. But I don't think it's political on his part either. Perhaps overly academic. Oops, I'm talking to someone in academe. CTOP is a pain. As I say on my UP: Only a fool or a masochist would edit Misplaced Pages controversial articles. I prefer to think of myself as a fool. O3000, Ret. (talk) 00:05, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

O3000, Please read my reply to the one-drop-rule post on Talk Kamala Harris if you think I have some kind of racial issue a la Trump. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 00:12, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

F&F, I don't think anyone thinks that. Just move on. Drmies (talk) 00:14, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Drmies. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 00:15, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

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A pleasant surprise! Thank you very much. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:59, 12 August 2024 (UTC)