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Jesus Franco filmography

Hi 49Bottles. I've re-removed the list. Per WP:NLIST. Several pieces of material in that list were uncited or cited poorly, or were not backed up by the two books (which were just cited without page numbers or scrutiny). Without context for various items like alternative titles, this list is not useful for the average reader.

The current article is a far clearer read, and does follow the sources strictly without interpretation or flat out unsourced material. Please do not revert it. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:49, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

While I do appreciate its good to know what actors Franco has worked with, this requires context or a third-party source to bring up signifigant coverage. I'm sure fans like to see people were together as teams, but to the average reader, the importance of this would not be known. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

You deleted more than 80% of the Franco article with the click of a button, without any discussion on the talk page whatsoever. The section you deleted was meticulously designed so that a wiki-reader could quickly search the "NOTES" column and see the entire history of the collaborations (in date order) between Franco and the various actors and crew members he worked with. That column contains an ENORMOUS amount of researched data that took years to amass and verify. You replaced it with a bunch of near-empty columns that do not contain any of that information which you so casually deleted! 49Bottles (talk) 21:50, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Also, almost every Franco film has alternate titles. The filmography you created only shows one title for each film (apparently chosen randomly by you) which means if someone is trying to look up a title on your filmography page, they have to be able to guess which title you chose for each film. If they know the film by an alternate title, they cannot possibly find it on your filmography page. I have no objection to your creating that separate filmography page (although it was unnecessary in my opinion), but I don't understand why you so cavalierly decided to erase almost everything on the main article page without even consulting anyone. A lot of people worked for YEARS to create that page, and you just delete the whole thing without asking?? This is outrageous behavior. Every scrap of data on that list was backed up using the same two Stephen Thrower books you refer to yourself. 49Bottles (talk) 21:50, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

How about a compromise? I suggest we leave BOTH lists up so the readers can avail themselves of ALL the available information, instead of having you censor certain data that you personally are not interested in, wouldn't that be fair? I located the link to your filmography page above the other section, so the reader would see your page first. If you wish, you can even move your filmography's link all the way up to the top of the article. But PLEASE do not take it upon yourself to boldly delete 80% of an article that has been on wiki for so many years on a whim? You can correct any errors that you find in the research, no problem. But you have no right to barge in like you own the page and make wholesale alterations to an article like that! 49Bottles (talk) 19:19, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

There were no sources or any the material and simply cited two books without specific references. It shouldn't have been written this way as it fails WP:RS, WP:OR and WP:STICKTOSOURCE. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC). ::Not to mention the current filmography was also against WP:FILMOGRAPHY, which suggests "The notes field should not be allowed to get overly cluttered." Which it has been to a more than what I would describe as an "extent." Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:28, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Another thing...you claim the research on that page was "not backed up by the two books (which were just cited without page numbers...). They were the same two books YOU used yourself to create your filmography page. You should know that those books feature a separate chapter on each Franco film, chronologically arranged in the table of contents. So it's obvious what pages correspond to each film in the two books. Also you wrote "to the average reader, the importance of this (information) would not be "known" (meaning relevant, I'm guessing?). The people who have used that Franco article for reference all these years are not "average readers", they are obviously VERY interested in learning about who Franco collaborated with or they wouldnt be researching the topic to begin with. The readers should be permitted to read any or all parts of the article and decide for themselves what facts regarding the topic are relevant to them, without your censoring what information they are permitted to read. Let's compromise and agree to leave both sections up, ok? That's the fairest thing to do. They'll be set up as two separate articles, so they won't interfere with each other at all. In fact, they will compliment each other. 49Bottles (talk) 21:50, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Fans are going to want to know various different elements. And yes, I did cite those books, but on reading the material, I couldn't find a lot of the material said being backed up. I'll agree that Franco's filmography is complicated, but extrenious detail will make it more unusual for a general audience, which is who Misplaced Pages is written for. If you want to create the extra details, I'm sure several fan wikis will accommodate such information. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:33, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

What arrogance! Why don't YOU write for the fan wikis and stop your disruptive behavior? I think your actions border on vandalism! Another thing --- your filmography is rife with errors. It's not even well-done. You even admit that "Franco's filmography is complicated" and yet it looks like you created the entire page in less than TWO DAYS!! The page you are deleting took ten YEARS to create! 49Bottles (talk) 21:07, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Please post your future comments directly to the "Jesus Franco" Talk page. I don't want you cluttering up my talk page with insanely long walls of text like you have done to other editors. 21:46, 1 September 2024 (UTC) 49Bottles (talk) 21:46, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm happy to follow-up there. If you could follow up with the aspects that are "rife with errors" or not well done? Andrzejbanas (talk) 22:19, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

You created that entire page in TWO days?? Then you used it to replace a page that took about TEN YEARS to create??And you don't believe your work contained any errors?? You weren't even equipped to tackle a topic that complicated and intricate to begin with! 49Bottles (talk) 22:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Dear Andrzejbanas: After you vandalized the "Jesus Franco" article unnecessarily today by deleting almost 80% of the article's content without consulting anyone on the Franco talk page, I did a bit of research and I see you are currently blocked from editing a number of wiki pages due to "disruptive behavior" and "Sealioning". Apparently you have a HISTORY of boldly deleting whole sections of various wikipedia articles without going through the proper editing procedures. You have exhibited an amazing arrogance by erasing a number of people's work, and then blaming it all on your personal psychological problems. You have harassed and annoyed a number of editors by posting novel-length "walls of text" on their talk pages, in an attempt to force your opinions on them during various talk-page discussions. (See August 6, 2024 and August 12, 2024 on this guy's talk page above). I guess you haven't learned your lesson? I see you haven't changed your ways, that's for sure. Needless to say, i'm not responding any further to your future comments other than to advise you to get some serious help with learning proper editing procedure as soon as possible. 49Bottles (talk) 22:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

September 2024

Hello, I'm AntiDionysius. I noticed that you made a comment that didn't seem very civil, so it may have been removed. Misplaced Pages is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you.

If you think another user is breaking the rules, by all means seek help from other users and/or report them to the administrators, but saying things like "i'm not responding any further to your future comments other than to advise you to get some serious help as soon as possible" is not okay even if someone is engaging in disruptive behaviour. AntiDionysius (talk) 22:32, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

I was referring to his contacting a wikipedia mentor and seeking some help in learning how to better follow wikipedia's rules for proper editing procedure. Apparently he's been blocked from editing a number of times!!! 49Bottles (talk) 22:51, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. I would suggest trying not to attack editors to get your points across. I apologize that I made a bold edit that you dislike, but lists require individual citations and need to follow the rules I've mentioned to you previously. Please don't tell readers what you mentioned above three times in a span of less than an hour. Andrzejbanas (talk) 22:45, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Then stop harassing people! 49Bottles (talk) 22:52, 1 September 2024 (UTC)