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	Why are we crediting Orchestrator ]? There is no reason to. We should save his name for the ]. Also, he's not the ''only'' orchestrator for the first three Potters, seriously, why don't we just credit every single individual who was associated with the music? The music is by ] and no one else, why should we credit someone who didn't write a single piece of music for the film, but only arranged it? My opinion, remove his credit and relocate it to the soundtrack page, because if there isn't a credit for Pope on the Soundtrack page, why should there be a credit for him on the film's page? ''] ]'', 27 September 2010 (UTC)		Why are we crediting Orchestrator ]? There is no reason to. We should save his name for the ]. Also, he's not the ''only'' orchestrator for the first three Potters, seriously, why don't we just credit every single individual who was associated with the music? The music is by ] and no one else, why should we credit someone who didn't write a single piece of music for the film, but only arranged it? My opinion, remove his credit and relocate it to the soundtrack page, because if there isn't a credit for Pope on the Soundtrack page, why should there be a credit for him on the film's page? ''] ]'', 27 September 2010 (UTC)

	== Film was produced in US, so why british english? ==

	Confusion here. ] (]) 02:00, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
	:It's a co-production, so on that front it could go either way. On every other front, the franchise is primarily a British film. Producer David Heyman is British, the whole cast is British, the characters are British, the locations are British, the original books are British. —'']'' (]) 03:34, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

	== Small change ==		== Small change ==

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Philosopher's Stone vs Sorcerer's Stone debate summary

The following summarizes archived debate discussions regarding motions to change the name of the article from the British Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone to the American Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. There are additional shorter discussions and queries on the same general subject that have also been archived along with the main discussions.

Requested move

The first major actionable discussion debate was proposed in July 2007 as a formal move request to Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (film), which was in turn in response to a discussion debate entitled Why the different name?. Both are topics located at the Move Request subpage, with the Why the different name? discussion included there as a preamble to the move request. The result of the straw poll move request survey: Three users (including one anonymous IP user) supported moving the article, to 16 users opposing the move. An ensuing discussion debate included 13 participants, with three firmly debating in support of the move, six firmly against, and three more appearing to be neutral acting as clerks: asking general questions, or making general observations without stating a clear position for or against. The conclusion was there was no consensus to move the article, and the subject was closed by a neutral non-participating third-party after 4 days.

RfC: Title of this article

In January 2008 after another Title discussion, the general subject was taken up again as a formal Request for Comment on the title - see the Title RfC subpage. Many of the participants in the original Move Request discussion rejoined, and many new ones joined in. There was no formal "poll" but rather a re-examination and discussion debate of the issues raised from the July debate. The discussion included approximately 25 participants, with 2 participants debating in support of changing the title to Sorcerer's Stone, 22 debating against, and one neutral. After one month the RfC was closed by a neutral non-participating third-party. The precursor discussion from Aug-Dec 2007 that resulted in the RfC is included as a preamble. The subsequent Notice of Mediation announcement and discussion (see also Further Actions below) is tagged on at the end of the RfC subpage as a postscript.

Further actions

Administrator's Noticeboard / Incidents

In mid-January 2008, some of the parties in support of the title change sought relief from the Administrator's Noticeboard of Incidents - see Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone vs. Philosopher's Stone. The inquiry was turned away within an hour as not an issue for ANI to resolve, but rather for dispute resolution, with recommendations to take the dispute to an RfC, which was already underway but near to closing.

Request for Mediation

Parties in support of changing the title also sought relief from the Mediation Committee - see Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (film). The case was rejected after about 5 hours, as the involved parties did not agree to mediation.

Request for Arbitration

Parties in support of the title change also sought relief from the Arbitration Committee - see Sorcerer's Stone vs. Philosopher's Stone. The Arbitrators declined and rejected the case as a content dispute, and the case was subsequently withdrawn without prejudice.

Similar discussion elsewhere

A similar discussion debate was held during April and July 2007. See Talk:Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (film)/Archive 3#What makes a film from a certain country?.

Music Situation/Remove Conrad Pope's Credit

Why are we crediting Orchestrator Conrad Pope? There is no reason to. We should save his name for the soundtrack page. Also, he's not the only orchestrator for the first three Potters, seriously, why don't we just credit every single individual who was associated with the music? The music is by John Williams and no one else, why should we credit someone who didn't write a single piece of music for the film, but only arranged it? My opinion, remove his credit and relocate it to the soundtrack page, because if there isn't a credit for Pope on the Soundtrack page, why should there be a credit for him on the film's page? ThatsGoodTelevision ThatsGoodTelevision, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Small change

As the page is writtien in British English I changed "gotten" to "got". 147.147.29.0 (talk) 20:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Needs an explanation as to why the name was changed in the US

Nowhere in the article does it explain why the name was changed in the USA. Why? MisterZed (talk) 11:14, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

We need reliable sources explaining the change. Here's an explanation: Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone was renamed in the US because Americans don’t know what a philosopher is. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

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