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unlawful killing

He also appears in the documentary unlawful killing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.205.240.43 (talk) 21:49, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

"factually incorrect" comment

There is inflammatory comment on him being 'factually incorrect". Given the biog is concise, it reads as if the man is a charlatan. He is not. His comment on the genetic aspects on schizoprenia were collected from a review of 40 studies by medics in profession, printed in a peer journal.

This is what science does. People can challenge the ideas of today if they have some evidence based reason.

There is no "factually" right or wrong in almost all health and especially mental health issues.

There are only degrees of likelyhood in most cases.

Would you write in Einstein's biog "factually incorrect in many aspects of physics"? (speak to a physicist, the particle physicists will fill you in)

Just seemed to me to be very negative comment.

ps he does believe the proposition as he wonders why mental health problems have exploded over last 50 years - this cannot be purely genetic. We are not fruit flies able to change genes in 50 years of breeding.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.142.111.181 (talk • contribs) 17:12, 24 October 2006 (UTC) Martinevans123 (talk) 09:02, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Fleet Foxes

The final song on the current Fleet Foxes album is called "Oliver James". Could be a reference to our man, but I don't know how well known he is in the US. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.102.114.244 (talk) 11:46, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

So that must have been their debut studio album? The article doesn't say, but looking at the lyrics it seems unlikely. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:08, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Killing spree

I heard Oliver James interviewed today on the BBC's The World Today progamme, in connection with the Winnenden school shooting. When asked whether those who carry out killing sprees were determined to die themselves, he answered:

They've got a death-wish and they've nearly all been horribly maltreated. That leaves them deeply depressed and potentially very violent. Like almost all violent people, they have been the object of violence, so that's the way they express themselves, if they're feeling down.

BBC: So that store of combustible material if you like comes from being from a dysfunctional background, but what is it that actually "lights the fuse" in the end?

Well, I mean, in the case of the man I interviewed in America, who was a rare survivor of spree killing, he actually, what he did was, he was a very decent person basically. He didn't fight back against his brutal parents and family. But eventually he was driven to such extremes that he listended to two radio stations, and one was God's radio station, the other was Satan's. Satan played "Another One Bites the Dust" and that was a message to him, because he by now was getting pretty stir-crazy. And eventually he made a deal with Satan, in which he said, I will kill everyone IF I win the lottery. And, and amazingly, he did really win the lottery. We checked it out, he actually did win it. So he then, you know, went out, and said OK, he went to the gun shop and said "I want to buy the gun that shoots the most bullets as fast as possible. Nobody questioned him about it—this is America, right? And, you know, what flipped him over the edge was that he was moving from a position of wanting to kill himself to a position of deciding that actually he was going to kill his true persecutors. That's true of all of us. We're all in that position, where we feel trapped, we can either, you know, blame ourselves and attack ourselves, or we can lash out outwards.

Does anyone know (from his books) to which killing spree he was referring?

Eric Kvaalen (talk) 16:30, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

This was from a man I interviewed for an ITV series broadcast in 1988, Men On Violence. I reproduced much of the interview in one of my books, if you want to know which i could probably dig it out. Singleton4321 (talk) 10:53, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

It's mentioned here and here (but subscriptions required)? There's another relevant source on James, from 2008, here. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:17, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Psychologist

If James is no longer accredited by the BPS, nor registered with the Bowlby Centre, what is the justification for using the present tense to describe him as a psychologist? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:39, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Note: see thread immediately below. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:05, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Sources for both registrations have now been provided, although accreditation with the Bowlby Centre is as a therapist. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:11, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Oliver James' registration with professional bodies

The statement 'As of 20 February 2024, James is not registered with either the Bowlby Centre or the BPS.' One wonders if the person making the statement knew perfectly well that the links offered to support this were misleading and utterly bogus.

The link for the Bowlby Centre is to therapists wanting their details to be available to the public, which I did not. It would be a simple matter to contact the Bowlby centre and ask them if i am registered with them, this link is utterly spurious. I have since added myself to the registered therapists list, so if that is proof I am registered then this should be put as a citation for my registration at the Bowlby Centre https://thebowlbycentre.org.uk/locator/

The link supposedly demonstrating that I am not a member of the BPS is to the HCPC website, a regulatory body for clinicians. Whoever put this link there will have known perfectly well that I am not registered there. In fact, it is with the UKCP that I am registered as a clinician, you can find me on their website https://psychotherapy.my.site.com/DirectoryApi__Directory?autonumber=SD-00000003&site=a0d24000001VW3nAAG That citation and my membership of the UKCP should be added to the entries.

My membership of the BPS would never have been verifiable by a link to a wholly different organisation, the HPCP. Verification of my BPS membership is easily achieved by contacting them.

Since I understand that I am not allowed to make these changes, who will do them for me? Singleton4321 (talk) 10:50, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your understanding. I searched at the UKCP website and I located an "Oliver James". Unfortunately, the profile link it provides does not seem to work for me. So I can't see any other biographical information about you that might validate your identity, i.e. it could be someone else called "Oliver James". Also, there is no mention of the Bowlby Centre? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:04, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Regarding the link to the Bowbly Centre here, Yes I can now see an entry for Oliver James with a location, telephone number and email. I would be prepared to use that source to support the claim that you are registered with them. But I would appreciate a second editor opinion. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:09, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Re BPS membership, we need some kind of source, preferably a secondary one. For any editor to "go and contact BPS" would be WP:OR. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:15, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Thankyou for finally admitting that I am a member of the Bowlby Centre: why did you accept the false link relating to this before - it was a register of therapists willing to provide their personal details, not of all Bowlby Centre therapists yet you accepted it?

Re UKCP, I will check with them and ensure the profile is working. What will you regard as evidence that I am the Oliver James who is at the Bowlby Centre, did all those tv programmes, all that journalism etc etc?

Re BPS membership, rather than a link to the HCPC which you might have pointed out was a false one for certifying if someone is a CPsychol at the BPS but didn't, you don't have to work very hard to find me on the BPS website, inserting London and James in the relevant boxes to see that I am listed as a CPsychol at https://portal.bps.org.uk/Psychologist-Search/Chartered-Member-List .

Please now correct the attempt to imply that I am fraudulently misrepresenting myself as a paid up member of those institutions by removing the outrageous assertion that I am not registered at the Bowlby Centre or the BPS. Also, please put me in the present tense, not the past tense, as registered with these bodies, with the correct links, which you recently and wholly incorrectly edited to the past tense. Please apologise for this mistake and cease editing the page devoted to me. Singleton4321 (talk) 15:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

I already removed the "outrageous assertions". You want me to put them back? What am I apologizing for again? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:39, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

You've asked me to "please put me in the present tense, not the past tense", and then you've also asked me to "cease editing the page devoted to me"? Which is it? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:04, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Oliver James ordering of article:

I would like to reorder the article, so that it begins with the works and then moves on to the reception of works, that would seem more logical.

In the works section, I would suggest starting with the books, then the television and then a new section on journalism - James wrote columns in 6 national newspapers but this is not mentioned anywhere.

Would these changes in ordering be acceptable, if so, would anyone object if I make them? 86.9.131.66 (talk) 09:05, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Biographical articles for academics usually list publications towards the bottom, e.g. Michael Argyle (psychologist). Martinevans123 (talk) 11:29, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

With one exception, these books are not academic by most views, they are popular science. Though it reminds me that my scientific publications have been removed from this website and need to be reintroduced, so, for once, thankyou Martinevans123 for your help. Singleton4321 (talk) 14:25, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

As far as I know, the same article structure applies to all writers e.g. this one. See WP:ORDER. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:03, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Oliver James Works: Television

In all, I was the producer (Prod), assistant producer (AP), presenter (Pres) or series consultant of 10 television series and 7 individual documentaries broadcast on British television (ITV, BBC2 and Channel 4), 1982-2006. The present article includes only 3 of my individual docs and one of the series, chosen for reasons that escape me, when you consider the full choice available. I propose that instead of the existing 4 programmes, in accord with the Misplaced Pages goal of providing neutral, sourced and factual information, the full list is presented.

In 7 cases, I am able to provide a citation to the actual programmes, available on Youtube, where my name and credit is listed in the normal way of a television programme. In all other cases, except three, I provide a citation to the BBC or BFI archives, where the programme and its production staff are listed. In the cases where I have not yet obtained an online citation, I will put 'Citation needed'. Editors, please indicate if you are comfortable with me making this change to the Television section. I would propose to put the following:

'James was the producer (Prod), assistant producer (AP), presenter (Pres) or series consultant of 10 television series and 7 individual documentaries broadcast on British television (ITV, BBC2 and Channel 4), 1982-2006.

Under Fives (1982, ITV, Granada, Parenting advice, 7-parts, AP, Series Consultant) Citation needed.

Sex With Paula (1987, C4, 6-part series, Paula Yates on sex, tx 1995, AP, Prod) Citation needed.

The Man Who Shot John Lennon (1988, ITV, First Tuesday, Yorkshire, AP) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFa4wuY1zgk

Room 113 (1987/8, C4, 22 episodes in each series, part of Network 7, celebrity interviews, Prod-Pres) https://en.wikipedia.org/Network_7

Men on Violence (1988, ITV, LWT, James interviewing violent men, 7 parts, AP) citation needed.

The Last Day (1990, C4 Short Stories, the Mail on Sunday leaves Fleet St, Prod) https://web.archive.org/web/20220531185626/https://www2.bfi.org.uk/films-tv-people/4ce2b7aaba6e2

Wot U Lookin At? (1993, BBC2 Horizon, causes of violence, Prod) https://web.archive.org/web/20220531185632/https://www2.bfi.org.uk/films-tv-people/4ce2b7c8e5aad

Prison HC3970 (1993, BBC2 40 Minutes, Portrait of a psychopath, Prod) https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/search/0/20?q=Prisoner+HC3970#top

Rape (1993, BBC2 40 Minutes, A rapist meets a rape victim, Prod) https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/d13d9111f7c34a55a7265abf5118fdc9

Prozac Diary (1995, BBC2 Late Show, artists take prozac to see how it affects their work, Prod-Pres) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc5Bex6_KXM

The Chair (1997, BBC2, interview series with famous people, Prod-Pres) https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/de0520f35f6445cb95bc751427536865

New Britain on the Couch (1998, C4, 2-part series, Explaining the rise in depression since 1950, Pres) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoDEpw385k4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoDEpw385k4

Affairs of the Heart (1999, C4, infidelity, Pres) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEXZIzd8uXw

Through The Eyes of the Child (2003-6, ITV This Morning, 3 series, parenting programme, Pres) https://studio.youtube.com/video/sBtTgPdyQUE/edit' Singleton4321 (talk) 11:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the copyright status of the YouTube videos to which you have linked is not clear. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:21, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

How does the copyright status of the programmes on Youtube affect their validity as citations that I did make those programmes with the credits that I claim? Within Misplaced Pages's rules of epistemology, I am not aware that this is a valid objection. I would prefer that you do not continue to edit this article, MartinEvans123 because you have not apologized for your earlier mistakes and have shown yourself to be very unreliable in relation to this article. Please confirm that you will cease to vandalize the article. Singleton4321 (talk) 14:22, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Please could you list here, with the relevant diffs, all the "mistakes" for which you are seeking an apology. Also any example(s) of where I have been "unreliable". And details of where I have "vandalised" the article. Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:28, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

You take a very close interest in all the changes I propose to the article, might be said to be its main curator at the moment. However, I suspect a Misplaced Pages administrator would agree with me that when you proposed changing the tense from 'is' to 'was' registered at the Bowlby Centre and the BPS, on the grounds that I was not registered at these institutions, you were negligent in not checking the citations properly. Any neutral observer of your curation of the article would see that you are extremely punctilious in checking everything i propose. Yet in failing to check these citations, you actively promoted a profoundly damaging lie about me: I work as a relational psychotherapist, I am registered as claimed, and you wilfully encouraged the idea that I am a fraud. We shall have to see what a neutral judge of this makes of it (to be organized when I find the time). Singleton4321 (talk) 08:29, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Regarding the substantive issue of copyright violation, Misplaced Pages prefers not to host links to material which is in breach of copyright. Of the YouTube links you have provided above, some have been uploaded by entities that do not appear to be the original copyright holders. In some cases these include your own personal YouTube channel. If you can provide evidence that you are indeed the legal copyright holder, there's no problem. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Additionally, the copies of these programmes at YouTube are primary sources. They give no indication of the notability of the material. To provide that, Misplaced Pages generally requires secondary sources, i.e. reliable sources that describe or discuss the material concerned. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:53, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

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