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Requested move 4 November 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved - No oppose !votes. No obvious reasons not to move. Only votes in favour. (non-admin closure) FOARP (talk) 15:21, 14 November 2021 (UTC) FOARP (talk) 15:21, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Phil Mason → Thunderf00t – Per WP:COMMONNAME, subject's notability in RS arises almost entirely from his online pseudonym, which both he and his critics seem to prefer when discussing him. His scientific contributions under his real name are commendable, but likely would not meet notability if not for his work under the alias. 24.251.106.103 (talk) 22:23, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 04:29, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Picture

What picture should be use for the infobox. We have the current one from 2011 but User:Philmason thunderf00t uploaded File:PHIL.jpg from 2003 as the picture. I am starting the discussion here to decide which one should be used. Personally I think the 2011 one is a better fit as its a more neutral setting. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:28, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Im a little confused by all this. The original reason for the revert by CofE was 'conflict of interest'.

When I mentioned that providing my own photo was hardly a conflict of interest, the goal posts move to 'but the bad image we have deliberately chosen to be unflattering from a screengrab of video in 2011 is better because its more recent'. The ONLY way the current image could be obtained is by watching the 2011 video and taking an unflattering screenshot. It is hard to call this 'neutral'

These sound like moving goal posts from someone who is not arguing/ editing in good faith.

The article covers several subjects of my phd. The photo should maybe reflect this rather than a poor picture of me on vacation in 2011. Philmason thunderf00t (talk) 08:57, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Not sure about the conflict of interest and we do tend to respect the wishes of the subject in biographies of living people. Per WP:BLPIMAGE, it could be out of context if it is a holiday screenshot and disparaging if purposely taken from a bad sequence in the video. I will restore the phd photo for now and can discuss alternatives here. We can choose from three photos I see in c:Category:Phil Mason. I find the phd photo File:PHIL.jpg to be a little hard to decipher the face, not really an ideal portrait, but it is excellent quality overall. The gown is distracting but I guess it really shouts phd. file:PhilMason2011.png makes it easier to identify the subject, but its quality has been questioned by the subject (personally I think it looks fine but I've never seen him before). It may be highly relevant though as I believe it is a screenshot from a Youtube video and Youtube is a major thing the subject is known for. But the subject says it is them on vacation, so relevance is low. About File:Thunderf00t.jpg I don't know how useful it is, seems to be a holiday pic. Seems to me that the best option would be a screenshot of a Youtube video where the subject is doing the thing they are famous on Youtube for, talking about solar panel roads for example. That screenshot should be a great portrait, not a poor representation. Also we could consider running with two photos. Commander Keane (talk) 09:47, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Commander Keane: for the neutral opinion. I do agree I think that a screenshot from one of his Youtube videos would probably be best as I too think the robe picture is a bit distracting for the infobox pic (I have to admit, I honestly thought it was a Carolean style portrait at first glance). I have no issue with it being included in the body of the article for his academic career as well as a separate infobox image from his Youtube career as I would say that is probably what he's better known for. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 18:09, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

For a youtuber who in spite of very limited knowledge mansplains topics of which he is demonstrably ignorant I find the both pompous and clownish portrait to be just perfect. With this comment I will self-impose a topic ban on this biography and let myself out. Lklundin (talk) 18:55, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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