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This page has been mentioned by multiple media organizations: Ashe Schow (November 25, 2015). "Misplaced Pages founder advocates for updating policies following 'The Hunting Ground' controversy". Washington Examiner. Retrieved February 8, 2020. Another editor, whose username is BullRangifer, suggested Misplaced Pages not become "a kangaroo court or lynching" by rushing to ban accounts who break COI. BullRangifer suggested following seven steps to determine whether "The Hunting Ground" crew member should be banned and whether his edits should be removed. Some of the steps included how he handled questions related to his edits and whether he stuck to discussion pages to ask for edits rather than making them himself. Marcus Gilmer (October 3, 2018). "Misplaced Pages demotes Breitbart to fake news". Mashable. Retrieved October 5, 2018. Support. If anything, it's even more unreliable than the Daily Mail, as they at least use trained journalists, whereas Breitbart is a fringe propaganda organization which lets its extreme partisan bias get in the way of how it reports things, and whether it does so, just as Fox News does. It too should be deprecated, but let's start with Breitbart (and InfoWars). — BullRangifer 17:51, 8 September 2018 (UTC) Alexander Hall (August 13, 2020). "Report: Misplaced Pages Editors Censoring Evidence Supporting Michael Flynn". NewsBusters. Retrieved August 15, 2020. Liberal user Valjean responded by condemning this revelation as 'conspiracy theories' and 'part of a cover-up,' even 'when it comes from the now-sitting government of the USA.' Valjean specified that 'Nothing coming from Trump's Justice Department, FBI, CIA, anything, can be trusted.' Breitbart alleged that Valjean, formerly under the name 'BullRangifer' has been 'previously involved in slanting articles about the Russia investigation.' Raymond Sturman (October 23, 2024). "Top 5 Editing Conflicts in Misplaced Pages Pages on Religion". World Religion News. Retrieved October 24, 2024. Located on the Catholic Church Misplaced Pages talk page, the screenshot below details a recent discussion of the tension between the Roman Catholic Church and other branches of Catholicism. Editor 'Valjean' is protesting that the word 'Roman' has been removed from the title, arguing that there are other branches of Catholicism, while the Roman Catholic Church says it is the real Catholic Church.

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That was kind of sweet

"Now, last time you talked to Slate, you had an update for Misplaced Pages. Do you have any further updates for Misplaced Pages that you would like to share? No, I don’t. But that was one of my favorite moments on Twitter of all time. That was amazing." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:14, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Ah! The Emily St. John Mandel situation. I have forgotten most of it, so had to look again. I hope she feels justice was finally done here. I still believe we should allow mention of the controversy over Misplaced Pages's failure. We normally do it as it's clearly notable enough for mention. Our added failure to even mention it is a clear case of censorship to protect Misplaced Pages's reputation, and that's just wrong. In one breath we have a policy that says Misplaced Pages is WP:NOTCENSORED, and in the next we actually censor it for the worst possible reason. That example makes me ashamed to be a wikipedian. Consensus can be wrong.

What is that Twitter moment she mentions? Do you have info on that or a link to a tweet? https://x.com/emilymandel -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 18:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

My reading is when she tweeted "Interview me please!" and Slate said "sure". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:47, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

That makes sense. It worked. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 20:59, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Tim Ferriss

Hi Valjean, I'm working to update Tim Ferriss's page with details about his philanthropic work in the field of psychedelic research. I see that you're a member of WP:ALTMED, so I hope that you will consider implementing my edit request on the Talk page. I would love your help. Thank you! Coyoteadventures (talk) 14:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Notification

See Misplaced Pages:No original research/Noticeboard#Ellen G. White. tgeorgescu (talk) 18:43, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Destiny (streamer) revert

@ValijeanCan you elaborate on why Fox News is not credible but other outlets are? Destiny made very extreme remarks regarding the Trump assassination attempt as clearly stated in a Piers Morgan: Uncensored episode. Are you suggesting I include the YouTube video as a source as well? – Brenr 17:09, September 21, 2024 (UTC) – Brenr 17:09, September 21, 2024 (UTC) 17:09, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

@Valijean I've adjusted the source to YouTube. Let's not revert that. I can find additional sources so it's incompliance with Misplaced Pages's standards. – Brenr 17:14, September 21, 2024 (UTC)

Why do you even ask such a question? Are you unaware of the extreme biases of Fox News and how it broadcasts falsehoods and deception all the time? We limit its use, especially regarding BLP assertions. If Destiny is really far-left, then there will be multiple mainstream RS that say so. The article already includes multiple descriptions of Destiny's political views. Your YouTube primary source isn't good either. It doesn't even describe him as far-left. You need multiple mainstream, secondary, RS that say it. This is BLP stuff, so we're very careful and delete immediately until better sourcing is provided. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 17:23, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

A YouTube video is an original source, which is sufficient. A valid source doesn't need to be one that is from a publisher with a pundit who describes him as extreme. He has demonstrated that by his own words, which is absolutely sufficient as a source. Also, where are you getting this idea that left-wing media outlets would publish articles claiming Destiny is far left when the outlets themselves have a left leaning? – Brenr 17:30, September 21, 2024 (UTC)

YouTube is a primary source we are cautious about using, especially for BLP claims. I use it to back up what RS already say. That's a legitimate use of primary sources. That he might express views that are typically far-left isn't good enough. That's our own POV about what he says. We need secondary RS that expressly say it. If it's that difficult to find such sources, then it doesn't belong in the article. BTW, I have no previous knowledge of either Destiny or Tim Pool. I don't usually listen to podcasts or YouTube channels for such content. I use YouTube for music, and YouTube Premium is well worth the cost. You can read about my media diet. I occasionally hear an episode of The David Pakman Show because my wife shares it with me. She likes him, and he doesn't rant and rave. He seems clearly left-wing and progressive, and not far-left. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 17:49, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Tim Ferriss - Career section

Hi Valjean, Thanks so much for you help on Tim Ferriss's page. Would you be willing to look at the new edit request I posted about adding to the Career section? I would really appreciate it. Thank you! Coyoteadventures (talk) 14:37, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 15:15, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Coyoteadventures (talk) 15:16, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

thank you for undoing my edit to Big lie! I didn't realize it was a quote and will be more careful next time :) xRozuRozu (t • c) 04:10, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

You're very welcome, and thank you. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 04:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

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A cup of coffee for you!

Keep seeing your diligent work on Steele dossier pop up on my watchlist. Andre🚐 22:20, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! So nice to have you back. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 22:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Tim Ferriss - additional updates

Hi Valjean, You have been so helpful on Tim Ferriss's page. I added one more edit request to the Talk page with ideas for the Early life and Personal life sections as well as the lead. I would love it if you would take a look - Talk:Tim_Ferriss#Additional_updates_to_the_page. I'm grateful for your assistance. Thank you! Coyoteadventures (talk) 15:16, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

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on communication in different societies

As a New Yorker, I think the truism or the stereotype of learned experience is a dangerous and powerful thing. Universality can also be a delusion at times, but consider empiricism, a topic I know we both cherish. Many things about the universe are counter-intuitive and sometimes even irrational, like quantum mechanics. Yet we still sometimes harbor the delusion of a Newtonian universe. We also inhabit a reality tunnel. Map-territory relation is a fraught topic. What I mean by all of this abstract stuff is that it's better not to generalize even though obviously different societies are different. For example, in low-content or high-context societies, for example, I recently had the occasion to work with a lot of international folks from the Scandinavian region. There's a bluntness that I can appreciate, very different from say, Japan, where it's expected to imply or skirt around certain things. Yes, Israelis also have their own type of communication and some if it is a stereotype, but how can you argue with one's internalized lived experience? Yet, we must, because it can cause to make generalizations go beyond the scope or local minimum which they apply in. As a New Yorker, I've always seen other New Yorkers put themselves out there to help anyone who needs it, and work together as a city to heal or help communities, yet you would hear the stereotype that New Yorkers aren't "nice." Yet, "Minnesota nice" people will tell you that their pleasantries are passive aggression. What's better?

A writer like Gil Troy is reliable. I challenge you to find any errors in his books on Israel and Zionism. Sure, he has a POV, but he's not Dershowitz or Karsh. And there's nothing really that wrong with Karsh either, but he doesn't make any illusion of showing where he's coming from. That doesn't mean he can't be used for facts, since we apparently think it's ok to use an anthropologist, Nadia abu el Haj, on an article about genetics, or we'll use an economist instead of a historian as on the Zionism article. There's a problem on Misplaced Pages in that we have inconsistently applied, in some cases leading to presumed-unintentional cherrypicking, when it comes to a number of issues about international politics. In fact, I would challenge anyone who thinks there aren't many problems with Misplaced Pages's coverage of international politics to actually spend some time thoughtfully compiling a source survey of the top Ivy League or Cambridge/Oxford/Stanford/MIT/and similar caliber academics and how they treat international politics, versus some of the academics that end up getting used on Misplaced Pages but are objectively less pedigreed - maybe not fringe per se, but definitely in a specific niche.

How are you feeling about tonight? I'd say about D 342 is my prediction and a trifecta is looking quite possible if NE-Sen, MT, and/or OH have a D night. House also looks good, as 3 of the R-to-D flips are already priced in by the NYT, and Oracle Pelosi has graced us with her aligning view. Andre🚐 21:50, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Apologies for butting in uninvited, but I ended up here by happenstance & felt the need to reply.

On a somewhat cursory glance of his writings, I would not consider Gil Troy a reliable source as he is rather prone to errors.

In WHY I AM A ZIONIST he writes that "Israel has been falsely accused of ...withholding vaccines from Palestinians" despite that being a real issue (He also cites his own opinion article) He also states "Israel has no legislation based on race" on the pretext that race = "appearance, blood, presumed biology or skin color", which ignores the social aspect of race as a concept. He then uses this as justification for his later reasoning -

"Security-based distinctions may keep Israelis and Palestinians apart but that’s not apartheid, a race-based, skin-color-driven form of legal discrimination." (I'm not commenting on if Israel does or does not practice apartheid, only that he does not understand what the word means, thus failing to properly counter the accusation).

Then, in his book, The Essential Guide To October 7th And Its Aftermath, he references posters saying “Rape Is Resistance and “Babies Are Occupiers Too… Free Palestine by Any Means Necessary.”, but what he is referencing are obviously fake stickers spread online by an outrage grifter named Oil London.

He does not do his research & he does not care for accuracy.

Again, apologies for this potential tirade, I'm not outright objecting to your point or mean any offense to you, but I felt the need to point out issues with Gil Troy specifically. Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 00:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

My reply to both of you is that I don't know who Troy is and haven't considered him in anything I've said. What I said at the Zionism article was generalities and principles. I have not been active in the Middle East topics area and have no desire to get into that quagmire and quicksand. I suspect it has a lot of tricky aspects, just like the gender and LGBTQ topics, and one can easily offend and be misunderstood. I have seen too many good editors blocked because of it in both areas. I am not an expert and have a lot to learn, so I appreciate all input. Feel free to teach me.

My father and brothers have traveled in those areas, while I have only visited Lebanon for ten days in 1996. We stayed with our new family in Beirut. My wife's nephew met a Christian Lebanese girl in England, and we were invited to the wedding. The food and hospitality were amazing! Super healthy and tasty. We love garlic, so got lots of it. It was a different party and restaurant every night. We chartered a bus for the whole family and toured the country. That was quite the experience. As we got further and further south in the Beqaa Valley, stopping at checkpoint after checkpoint, the signs on buildings got more and more ominous. I was the only American, and I was warned, for good reason, to not let my nationality be known. The signs showed huge caricatures of American soldiers with alligator heads with Arabic babies in their mouths, with lots of blood. At one checkpoint, the driver refused to go any further, with the explanation that we were getting too far into Hezbollah territory and could risk becoming hostages. Yes, it sounded like a good idea to get out of that area! Further south was the area from which Hezbollah shoots their rockets into northern Israel. Every day Israeli jets buzzed Beirut, with loud sonic booms and generally spreading terror, because they would also shoot at targets. We saw on TV a little knoll in the Beqaa Valley that had a Syrian tank on it. An Israeli jet blew it up, and that was just on the other side of the coastal range from where we were. This was very different from peaceful Denmark! It turned out that this was normal for peacetime. There were no active conflicts at the time, so this was just the usual way that Israel treated Lebanon. I would love to visit Israel, but with Lebanon stamped in my passport, that would have been out of the question. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 01:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

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