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	== Muslim demographics section is problematic ==

	You have to define precisely whom you count as a Muslim. For example a recent poll from Iran said that less than 40% of Iranians consider themselves Muslims today, and yet the maps and figures in this article claim that islam is the religion of more than 90% of Iranians. The same can be said about other countries. Muslim demographics
	also there are two denomanatians in islam 1.sunni 2. shia articles totally ignore the statistics about atheists, agnostics, apostates, converts to christianity and non-believers of all sorts. They simply count everyone born within a traditionnally Muslim society as Muslim. To be fair, this isn't the way ] are constructed. The numbers estimated for christianity are those of the estimated actual believers, not people born in Christian cultures. How do you plan to correct this bias ? ] (]) 21:12, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

	:Greetings,
	:<blockquote> You have to define precisely whom you count as a Muslim</blockquote> We cannot, but it would be great if such definitions would be clarified in such statistics. However, it is rarely done. We can only work with what sources provide us.
	:<blockquote> The numbers estimated for christianity are those of the estimated actual believers, not people born in Christian cultures </blockquote> There is a difference between Christianity and Islam in regards of adherence. A Christian is made by baptism and every person is born "sinful" (this is also why a lot of babies were baptized when born and babies unbaptized led to the Catholic limbo-theory). In Islam, a child born from Muslim parents are consdiered Muslims. It does not have to be a conscious choice, you probably do not even have to believe in it. There are some opinions which constitute ], but they are not clearly defined. For some, missing a prayer can lead to Apostasy (I think some Hanbalites hold this position), while others even interprted angels as merely abstract intellects and are still highly esteemed scholars of Islam (such as ]). Because of these reasons, Muslim and Christian identity are hardly comparable. ] (]) 19:18, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
	::I'm glad someone else raised this matter, as I've raised a similar issue before on another Islamic related article. For example, in ] and ], the Muslim population is hyped up. There is no disagreement that most people in these countries are majority Muslim, but the figures do not tally and their statistical data in regards to Muslim populations is not even reliable. It is simply based on guess work especially Gambia. As such, many reliable sources cite these unreliable government figures. However, organisations and other RS who work and do research in these countries would tell you that almost 100% of the Muslim population syncretise with African religion.] (]) 11:43, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
	:::I will profess I am not familiar with RSs on this topic. But it sounds like an issue in definition: those who practice Islam likely are a smaller subgroup within those traditionally considered "culturally" Muslim. Delineating between the two might be helpful. ] (]) 19:54, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
	::::It's true. The ], or collective of Muslims in the world, is greater than people we might consider as fully adderant Muslims. IE. attempting to perform all 5 pillars or 10 obligatory acts for most Shia groups.
	::::nd then you have concepts of being born into a religious faith, those people would be included. The action of whether you are able to leave it. Similar to some Christian sects belief in ] being a permanent change that claims you to either their faith or Jesus Christ depict in that sects version of the bible.
	::::There are multiple schools of Islam and cultures that have adopted Islam whether due to historical trade or conquest. It makes defining who and what is inside the group and outside the group difficult at times. ] (]) 20:03, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

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	== It's Mohamedism not islam in English ==

	islam came in 7th century so mohamedism will represant accurate as religion starting from political leader prophet muhammad and previous were messengers too but not muslims.Because with islam definition everybody would be follower of muslim they dont accept this so Mohamedism would be best. ] (]) 18:23, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

	:Muslim is from an Arabic word meaning, "one who submits". The preferred term for Islam by both academia and by Muslims is the term Islam which comes from an Arabic word meaning "submission to God". That same root literally helps form the common greeting used by almost all Muslims regardless of language, "Salamalekum", meaning Peace be upon you.
	:"Mohamedism" although once common in English speaking countries, probably because of our tendency to put "ism" on any system or religion, has largely fallen out of favor and in many cases is considered offensive. It can still be used in some instances to refer to cultural systems of Muslims, but has no place in this page about Islam. Ultimately, I would stay away from the term as it is a exonym that is not embraced by the group is tried to describe.
	:All the above can be sourced from sources in the Islam page, oxford dictionary, and Online Etymology Dictionary.
	:If you disagree, please offer current sources that meet Misplaced Pages guidelines ] with your rebuttal. ] (]) 18:58, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
	:]. ] (]) 19:26, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
	::I knew there was a policy but couldn't remember the page name. Thank you. ] (]) 19:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
	:::I'm reminded of a discussion that wanted en-WP to spell Allah with 3 L. It didn't catch on: ]. ] (]) 04:54, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

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Section size for Islam (47 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	10,595	10,595
Etymology	3,496	3,496
Articles of faith	784	24,695
God	3,546	3,546
Angels	3,065	3,065
Scriptures	4,931	4,931
Prophets	7,240	7,240
Resurrection and judgment	3,245	3,245
Divine predestination	1,884	1,884
Acts of worship	1,366	16,282
Declaration of faith	1,533	1,533
Prayer	2,711	2,711
Almsgiving	3,630	3,630
Fasting	1,277	1,277
Pilgrimage	3,356	3,356
Other acts of worship	2,409	2,409
History	378	72,293
Muhammad and the beginning of Islam (570–632)	5,050	5,050
Early Islamic period (632–750)	9,051	9,051
Classical era (750–1258)	16,554	16,554
Pre-modern era (1258 – 18th century)	10,086	10,086
Modern era (18th–20th centuries)	14,590	14,590
Contemporary era (20th century–present)	16,584	16,584
Demographics	16,427	16,427
Main branches or denominations	140	34,581
Sunni	6,259	6,259
Shia	14,171	14,171
Muhakkima	1,707	1,707
Other denominations	9,298	9,298
Non-denominational Muslims	3,006	3,006
Mysticism	7,883	7,883
Law and jurisprudence	6,769	6,769
Society	14	25,510
Religious personages	2,250	2,250
Governance	5,294	5,294
Daily and family life	10,118	10,118
Arts and culture	7,834	7,834
Influences on other religions	4,440	4,440
Criticism	3,608	3,608
See also	227	227
References	15	19,510
Footnotes	30	30
Quran and hadith	54	54
Citations	29	29
Sources	14,874	14,874
Encyclopedias and dictionaries	4,508	4,508
Further reading	6,833	6,833
Total	253,149	253,149

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discussion Al-Ghayb

The Islam page when referencing Allah's nature uses the below quoted sentence. Wiki has a page for Al-Ghayb describing the concept. Should we link that page in that sentence, include the proper word "Al Ghayb" thru some type of rewording or simply do nothing to give context to the sentence?

"God is seen as transcendent of creation and so is beyond comprehension."

RCSCott91 (talk) 18:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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Hello Sir I wanna add a Phrase is "Islam" Religion Page Thay is " It's The Complete System Of A Life Which Gives Muslims a religious, social, aur legal guidelines" It is a complete system that encompasses spiritual, social and moral dimensions. It contains guidelines for every aspect of life, such as family, business, and governance. " 103.162.216.125 (talk) 12:53, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 13:19, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Article reliability

To the recent editor who just reverted, what makes you think that the article I cited was unreliable? It's only deemed as unreliable if I get a warning before I click publish. However, this wasn't the case when I added this article about birth rates of Muslims. ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 20:37, 7 October 2024 (UTC)( Blocked sockpuppet of LDas12345, see investigation)

@Jeppiz. I think he's tryna talk to you. Your welcome. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 22:57, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

@ShawarmaFan07 You need to read WP:RS. Misplaced Pages has rather strict rules for reliable sources. Just finding an Internet page that says something is not enough. Before you continue Misplaced Pages, it would be good to familiarise yourself with Misplaced Pages policies. Jeppiz (talk) 23:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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For any image that depicts the prophet, angel and gods face should be removed because in islam it is very disrespectful to do so because it encourages idolatry, or the worship of physical objects. This is inconsistent with the Muslim faith's monotheism, which teaches that God alone should be worshipped.

whenever i see these i feel disrespected as i myself am muslim and a follower of islam i find it wrong to just see ancient paintings of something and immediatly think its right without background checking it with an actual muslim thank you for reading this and goodbye. Fnafkidfrom2014 (talk) 23:03, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Not done: Misplaced Pages is not censored. FifthFive (talk) 23:58, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Wrong information about Islam

Islam is oldest religion in the world, please correct it , the first prophet was Adam ( from life start of Human Beings ) and the last was Muhammad: The first prophet, considered the father of the human race. His story teaches about forgiveness, obedience, and patience. Muhammad The last prophet, who received a divine gift of revelation through the angel Gabriel. Both Sunni and Shi'a Muslims believe that no new prophet can arise after Muhammad. Idris (Enoch), Nuh (Noah), Hud (Heber), Saleh (Methusaleh), Lut (Lot), Ibrahim (Abraham), Ismail (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Yaqub (Jacob), and Yusuf (Joseph) etc there is more then one lakh messenger from God till the last 117.254.233.106 (talk) 00:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

The article already states that Muslims believe this. WP is not in the business of stating religious beliefs as facts - regardless of which religion it is. Jtrevor99 (talk) 00:41, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Every scholarly source states otherwise. On Misplaced Pages, we go by what reliable sources state. SKAG123 (talk) 23:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

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