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	:I think it's because ] has a more detailed discussion of East Cushitic subclassification, which was the main contents of ] so far. But East Cushitic needs its own page, it's strange that it's the only node in the tree that doesn't have one (e.g. ], which is a more controversial subgroup). Would moving the detailed discussion to East Cushitic help? ] (]) 04:55, 5 December 2024 (UTC)		:I think it's because ] has a more detailed discussion of East Cushitic subclassification, which was the main contents of ] so far. But East Cushitic needs its own page, it's strange that it's the only node in the tree that doesn't have one (e.g. ], which is a more controversial subgroup). Would moving the detailed discussion to East Cushitic help? ] (]) 04:55, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Yes, there was less info on East Cushitic in its own article than on the Cushitic article, so it was redundant.		::Yes, there was less info on East Cushitic in its own article than on the Cushitic article, so it was redundant.
	::The problem is that East Cushitic is itself somewhat controversial, so I'm not sure it would be a good idea to move the content over. But maybe it's become better accepted recently. ] (]) 09:21, 5 December 2024 (UTC)		::The problem is that East Cushitic is itself somewhat controversial, so I'm not sure it would be a good idea to move the content over. But maybe it's become better accepted recently. Certainly if it's uncontroversial now, the classification etc would be better there, as you propose. ] (]) 09:21, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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The official state rainbow flag of Russia (official in JAO since 1996) Do you think the liberals are using these school shootings to further their anti-tragedy agenda? — Col. Erran Morad, Who Is America?, s01e01 yod-dropper — (when you need something that sounds like an insult) ALL keys matter — response to the scale-wandering rendition of the national anthem at CPAC 2021 The Lunatic-in-Charge becomes the Lunatic-at-Large Lame duck à l'orange (AKA canard à l'orange) It is a mortifying circumstance, which greatly perplexes many a painstaking philosopher, that nature often refuses to second his most profound and elaborate efforts; so that often after having invented one of the most ingenious and natural theories imaginable, she will have the perverseness to act directly in the teeth of his system, and flatly contradict his most favorite positions. This is a manifest and unmerited grievance, since it throws the censure of the vulgar and unlearned entirely upon the philosopher; whereas the fault is not to be ascribed to his theory, which is unquestionably correct, but to the waywardness of Dame Nature, who, with the proverbial fickleness of her sex, is continually indulging in coquetries and caprices, and seems really to take pleasure in violating all philosophic rules, and jilting the most learned and indefatigable of her adorers. The philosophers took this in very ill part, and it is thought they would never have pardoned the slight and affront which they conceived put upon them by the world had not a good-natured professor kindly officiated as a mediator between the parties, and effected a reconciliation. Finding the world would not accommodate itself to the theory, he wisely determined to accommodate the theory to the world. — Washington Irving, Knickerbocker's History of New York Pela primeira vez na sua vida a morte soube o que era ter um cão no regaço. For the first time in her life, death knew what it felt like to have a dog in her lap. — José Saramago, Death with Interruptions / Death at Intervals It is now generally accepted that the megaliths that make up Stonehenge were moved by human effort. — as opposed to by what? Anybody who says you only have yourself to blame is just not very good at blaming other people. — It's Happy Bunny When poppies pull themselves up from their roots and start out, one after the other, toward the sunset – don't follow them. — Slavko Janevski, 'Silence' And the dough-headed took their acid fermentation for a soul, the stabbing of meat for history, the means of postponing their decay for civilization. — Stanislaw Lem, Return from the Stars The Church says that the Earth is Flat, but I know that it is Round, for I have seen its Shadow on the Moon, and I have more Faith in a Shadow than in the Church. — (commonly misattributed to Magellan) In the early years of the study there were more than 200 speakers of the dialect, including one parrot. — from the WP article Nancy Dorian Mikebrown is unusually eccentric and not very bright. Astronomers have not noticed any outbursts by Mikebrown. — from the WP article 11714 Mikebrown Ecce Mono Keep Redskins White! "homosapiens are people, too!!" a sprig of spaghetti "I've always had a horror of husbands-in-law." awkwardnessful anti–zombie-fungus fungus "Only an evil person would eat baby soup." (said in all sincerity)

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Do you think the liberals are using these school shootings to further their anti-tragedy agenda?
— Col. Erran Morad, Who Is America?, s01e01

yod-dropper
— (when you need something that sounds like an insult)

ALL keys matter
— response to the scale-wandering rendition of the national anthem at CPAC 2021

The Lunatic-in-Charge becomes the Lunatic-at-Large

Lame duck à l'orange (AKA canard à l'orange)

It is a mortifying circumstance, which greatly perplexes many a painstaking philosopher, that nature often refuses to second his most profound and elaborate efforts; so that often after having invented one of the most ingenious and natural theories imaginable, she will have the perverseness to act directly in the teeth of his system, and flatly contradict his most favorite positions. This is a manifest and unmerited grievance, since it throws the censure of the vulgar and unlearned entirely upon the philosopher; whereas the fault is not to be ascribed to his theory, which is unquestionably correct, but to the waywardness of Dame Nature, who, with the proverbial fickleness of her sex, is continually indulging in coquetries and caprices, and seems really to take pleasure in violating all philosophic rules, and jilting the most learned and indefatigable of her adorers. The philosophers took this in very ill part, and it is thought they would never have pardoned the slight and affront which they conceived put upon them by the world had not a good-natured professor kindly officiated as a mediator between the parties, and effected a reconciliation. Finding the world would not accommodate itself to the theory, he wisely determined to accommodate the theory to the world.
— Washington Irving, Knickerbocker's History of New York

Pela primeira vez na sua vida a morte soube o que era ter um cão no regaço.
For the first time in her life, death knew what it felt like to have a dog in her lap.
— José Saramago, Death with Interruptions / Death at Intervals

It is now generally accepted that the megaliths that make up Stonehenge were moved by human effort.
— as opposed to by what?

Anybody who says you only have yourself to blame is just not very good at blaming other people.
— It's Happy Bunny

When poppies pull themselves up from their roots
and start out, one after the other, toward the sunset –
don't follow them.
— Slavko Janevski, 'Silence'

And the dough-headed took their acid fermentation for a soul, the stabbing of meat for history, the means of postponing their decay for civilization.
— Stanislaw Lem, Return from the Stars

The Church says that the Earth is Flat,
but I know that it is Round,
for I have seen its Shadow on the Moon,
and I have more Faith in a Shadow than in the Church.
— (commonly misattributed to Magellan)

In the early years of the study there were more than 200 speakers of the dialect, including one parrot.
— from the WP article Nancy Dorian

Mikebrown is unusually eccentric and not very bright. Astronomers have not noticed any outbursts by Mikebrown.
— from the WP article 11714 Mikebrown

Ecce Mono

Keep Redskins White!

"homosapiens are people, too!!"

a sprig of spaghetti

"I've always had a horror of husbands-in-law."

awkwardnessful

anti–zombie-fungus fungus

"Only an evil person would eat baby soup." (said in all sincerity)

"implosive affricates unlikely"

In August 2015 you added this to the Implosive consonant page.

There are no IPA symbols for implosive fricatives. Implosive fricatives are unknown, and implosive affricates unlikely.

In January 2024 Whoop whoop pull up added a "why" tag. Would you be able to provide more detail to support this claim?

90.194.29.218 (talk) 16:39, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

I can change it to 'Implosive fricatives and affricates are unknown.' — kwami (talk) 20:43, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

"Mate tea (drink)" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Mate tea (drink) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 24 § Mate tea (drink) until a consensus is reached. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 11:46, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Toki Pona

Hi, sorry to bother you. In this 2007 edit, you have made some changes to the Toki Pona article. Could you by any chance provide the sources for the following two claims: V and CVN syllables are each around 10%, while only 5 words have VN syllables (2%). and Most roots (70%) are disyllabic; about 20% are monosyllables and 10% trisyllables. Thanks. Kovcszaln6 (talk) 18:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

I have no recollection, but given that there are only 120 roots, it's easy enough to check. — kwami (talk) 20:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Please update commons:File:CousinMarriageWorld.svg

Greece should be red (see Talk:Cousin marriage#Greece and )

Vietnam is also red (Clause 3, Article 10 of the 2000 Vietnamese Law on Marriage and Family forbids marriages of people related by blood up to the third degree of kinship, and the third degree of kinship is second cousin).

Malaysia is blue (even avunculate marriage is allowed in Malaysia).

Indonesia is also blue.

Hong Kong and Macau are also blue.

Kazakhstan is blue, and Ukraine should be red, see 1.165.200.243 (talk) 23:36, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

In process.

What about Cyprus - I'd expect the law to be similar to that of Greece.

Or Ethiopia. That might be an exception to the general pattern in Africa. — kwami (talk) 02:29, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

I do not know, but Uzbekistan is red, it bans cousin marriage since 2020, also you can see commons:File:CousinMarriageWorldUpdated.svg (this graph is wrong for some eastern European countries including Greece and Bulgaria (for these countries the current commons:File:CousinMarriageWorld.svg file is right) and for some states in America, but should be right for the countries which the current commons:File:CousinMarriageWorld.svg file is gray (except Uzbekistan)) and add many blue countries (Zimbabwe and Nepal should be orange), also, Hong Kong and Macau should be blue, see Cousin_marriage#East_Asia, “Unlike China mainland, the two special administrative regions of China, Hong Kong and Macau, place no restrictions on marriage between cousins.” 220.132.216.52 (talk) 03:43, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Also, why Bosnia and Herzegovina become red? It should be blue. 220.132.216.52 (talk) 03:52, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

That map shows Uzbekistan as blue, not red. Do you have a source?

I changed Bonsia per request on one of my talk pages. If you have a source it should be blue, please provide.

Added HK and Macao to the map. — kwami (talk) 05:26, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Uzbekistan bans first cousin marriage since 2020, thus it should be red, also these countries are blue (I saw that you have updated Papua New Guinea):

please update them, Thanks. 220.132.216.52 (talk) 15:40, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Also, why Ethiopia become gray? It is also blue. 220.132.216.52 (talk) 15:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

You can use dots to show Hong Kong and Macau (and other small countries) like commons:File:Countries driving on the left or right.svg 220.132.216.52 (talk) 23:52, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Also, I found that you forgot a country in Africa: Eswatini should be light blue rather than dark blue. 220.132.216.52 (talk) 01:10, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Now the only countries remain unknown are Georgia and Armenia. 220.132.216.52 (talk) 17:33, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

okay, done. — kwami (talk) 23:57, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Hong Kong and Macau are two dots, not one dot, you can check commons:File:Countries driving on the left or right.svg to see the location of other dots. 220.132.216.52 (talk) 00:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Could you also update the file commons:File:Incest legislation.svg? Currently this file has many errors, please see Legality of incest#Table. 220.132.216.52 (talk) 00:36, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

We don't have any sources for those claims. — kwami (talk) 06:22, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

But the currently commons:File:Incest legislation.svg has many obvious errors (does not match Legality of incest#Table, the sources are already in that article), many illegal countries shown as legal, please fix them. 220.132.216.52 (talk) 17:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

The article has been tagged as needing sources, and no-one has bothered to supply them. I'd like to correct the map from sourced material if I'm going to do it at all. — kwami (talk) 21:41, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

But I suggest you to fix the obvious errors (many illegal countries shown as legal, including Albania, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Chile, Colombia, Croatia, Cuba, Kazakhstan, Laos, Myanmar, Nepal, North Korea, North Macedonia, Singapore, South Africa, Taiwan, Vietnam, etc. there are too many errors in the current map. 210.66.124.143 (talk) 21:53, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

i can do that for sourced countries, and turn the others grey. — kwami (talk) 22:10, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

There's also a question of whether it is incest that is illegal, or instead child-molestation. Many of the refs are in the legal code for child-protection. That doesn't tell us whether incest itself is illegal. So I think we need to define our terms. Child-abuse laws in themselves can't be used to identify where incest is illegal. Algeria, for example - we say between consenting adults is illegal, but everything is worded in reference to the 'child'. We need a reference for the actual claim, otherwise we're possibly conflating coverage with child-protection laws. for albania we have a ref but no page number. it's 130 pages long, and a word-search doesn't turn up anything. don't we have a ref with global coverage that we could use as the basis for the map? — kwami (talk) 22:25, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

OK, but please update commons:File:CousinMarriageWorld.svg by separate the two dots of Hong Kong and Macau (just like the dots in Caribbean, and just like the file commons:File:Countries driving on the left or right.svg), thanks. (In the current file the dot of Hong Kong covers the dot of Macau) 203.73.106.200 (talk) 23:18, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Please update commons:File:CousinMarriageWorld.svg by separate the two dots of Hong Kong and Macau (just like the dots in Caribbean, and just like the file commons:File:Countries driving on the left or right.svg), thanks. (In the current file the dot of Hong Kong covers the dot of Macau) 220.132.216.52 (talk) 23:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

The two dots of Hong Kong and Macau should be separate (just like the dots in Caribbean, and just like the file commons:File:Countries driving on the left or right.svg), in the current file the dot of Hong Kong covers the dot of Macau. 220.132.216.52 (talk) 17:03, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Stop the confusion on Twi

Your continuous removal of Bono from Twi is just mere act of confusion. You claim Twi is synonymous to Akan yet removing Akan dialect of Bono from the article. You claim Twi is a common name for Asante and Akuapem, yet at the same time subsumes dialects of Ahafo, Akuapem, Akyem, Asante, Asen, Dankyira and Kwawu. All these amounts to your confusion of not knowing what Twi is wholly. In what bases did you come into conclusion that Twi is not language yet synonymous to Akan? FYI, Twi consists of dialects of Akwamu, Bono, Asante, Akuapem, Denkyira, Akyem etc Bosomba Amosah (talk) 20:04, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

I used your own sources. If you don't understand your sources, perhaps you should edit a different topic. — kwami (talk) 11:04, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

None of my sources said Bono is not Twi. Perhaps you are making your own assumptions on the table explaining Proto Tano languages Bosomba Amosah (talk) 11:46, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Look, you clearly don't understand your own sources, or the subject matter. You shouldn't edit areas where you're ignorant. — kwami (talk) 20:51, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

East Cushitic languages

Hi, why did you change East Cushitic languages back to a redirect page to Cushitic languages? I'm afraid I don't understand your comment "rd content mirror". As was now supported with references, East Cushitic is a commonly accepted separate subfamily. I could add more references, but it might be getting excessive. Benji man (talk) 04:47, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

I think it's because Cushitic languages has a more detailed discussion of East Cushitic subclassification, which was the main contents of East Cushitic languages so far. But East Cushitic needs its own page, it's strange that it's the only node in the tree that doesn't have one (e.g. Lowland East Cushitic, which is a more controversial subgroup). Would moving the detailed discussion to East Cushitic help? Benji man (talk) 04:55, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, there was less info on East Cushitic in its own article than on the Cushitic article, so it was redundant.

The problem is that East Cushitic is itself somewhat controversial, so I'm not sure it would be a good idea to move the content over. But maybe it's become better accepted recently. Certainly if it's uncontroversial now, the classification etc would be better there, as you propose. — kwami (talk) 09:21, 5 December 2024 (UTC)