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December 2024

Hello, I'm Tarlby. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to PayPal Honey have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. Tarlby 05:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

It happened again. He keeps inserting chunks of information with little to no sources. Either add the info with reliable sources or don't add it at all. I don't want this to result in an edit war for any of us... - OpalYosutebito (talk) 05:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi there.

Thank you for your messages and I apologize for the apparent edit war (and for seeing the messages late).

Can you please elaborate on why you don't believe the edits are constructive? My edits are fully descriptive of the video in a far better format than what I'm attempting to replace. What is described as "chunks of information with little to no sources" is actually exactly what is being said on the video in question. I invite you to watch the video and you will understand why it's a highly accurate description of what is being said.

It's a bit illogical to claim that my edits have no sources as the video itself is the source. I'm merely adding what the video is actually saying.

The video does mention everything I'm attempting to add. With all due respect, I don't believe it's fair to simply label the content of this video, which is an extremely serious allegation, as nothing more than a controversy written in 3 lines of text.

If you believe I'm wrong at this, or believe any of the "chunks of information" I'm adding is incorrect, please be more specific and let me know what exactly is incorrect. Generalizing doesn't help here.

If you can't specify which pieces of information are incorrect, then I will simply keep adding the same info again and again, as it is factually correct that it was all mentioned in the video (not that I believe it or support it).

Thanks. Josayedx (talk) 05:33, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello Josayedx. You are misunderstanding the policies of Misplaced Pages. That's okay, you're new and need experience to learn, but you are edit warring. Please read WP:WAR.Before I answer your question, you must promise to me right here and right now that you will cease from restoring your edits to PayPal Honey. Whether or not your content is factual, you must stop. You will be risking a block if you edit war again. Tarlby 05:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Of course, I do promise.

And perhaps you're right-I AM pretty confused, because I'm literally just adding a description of the video in question. I'm not claiming that any of the information is correct, or that this was proven somehow, it's just a very detailed description of what was said.

Please let me know what exactly is wrong with this? Josayedx (talk) 05:46, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for taking this pledge. It's a good sign to see someone want to improve. Please give me a moment to respond. Tarlby 05:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Of course! I'm not here to win an argument. I may have been acting in passion, but my purpose is genuine - share the highest amount of accurate information to benefit the reader and convey the full message.

And again, I do apologize for this hassle. Thanks for all your work, and waiting for your response. Josayedx (talk) 05:55, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

What you need to do is take a moment to read ip about ] and you’ll discover that a YouTube video with allegations is not considered a reliable source to base your additions to this article. When a reliable new source covers this, then it might be suitable to be included in the article. It is also important to understand the concept of ] which talks about ensuring that the article is properly balanced with regards to the significance of the details in the totality of reliable secondary source. TiggerJay (talk) 05:46, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

That makes total sense, and I agree with that policy 100%. What I'm confused about however, is that the kind of info I'm adding is a description of the video itself, effectively making the video the only real source in a sense. I'm not saying that anything is true, I'm saying "the video said this and that."

If we're talking casually and I tell you about that video, saying this dude said this and that and you're like "well what is your source for claiming the video said this?" then you would make no sense. The source IS the video. Your point would be super valid if I'm saying that Honey DID this. I'm only saying that the video said that. It's literally the same stuff that my edits were being replaced with, but in much much more details.

Am I getting something wrong here? Josayedx (talk) 05:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

That’s where the WP:UNDUE part comes into play. Could you imagine what would happen if we covered every allegation by every person on the internet? We have to have some way to tell what’s worth mentioning and what’s not, and for us, that’s coverage in news articles and secondary sources. ARandomName123 (talk) 05:56, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Okay, that's a very valid point, so I will desist. Covering allegations would indeed be an endless hassle.

Thanks to everyone here. Sorry - still new to this, but I promise I'll do my best moving forward (and read as much as I can about the policies). Josayedx (talk) 05:59, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Josayedx! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of PayPal Honey several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable.

All editors are expected to discuss content disputes on article talk pages to try to reach consensus. If you are unable to agree at Talk:PayPal Honey, please use one of the dispute resolution options to seek input from others. Using this approach instead of reverting can help you avoid getting drawn into an edit war. Thank you. Tarlby 05:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Notice of noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is PayPal Honey edit warring. Thank you. Tarlby 05:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC)